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On June 23 2015 04:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 04:29 Nyxisto wrote:On June 23 2015 03:49 fishjie wrote:On June 23 2015 03:21 Nyxisto wrote:On June 23 2015 03:07 fishjie wrote: legalization is a no brainer. just like legalizing drugs, it will destroy the criminal element, it will remove non violent offenders from the prison system so that their lives don't get ruined while the actual bad guys can be locked up, and there will be tons of tax revenue. its just win/win all around.
that's really not true at all. Ever since liberalization of prostitution here in Germany human trafficking has increased as the legality of prostitution has created a huge grey area where prosecution is almost impossible. "Axel Dreher, a professor of international and development politics at the University of Heidelberg, has attempted to answer these questions, using data from 150 countries. The numbers were imprecise, as are all statistics relating to trafficking and prostitution, but he was able to identify a trend: Where prostitution is legal, there is more human trafficking than elsewhere." lengthy article about the topic Interesting, sounds like the problem is due to brothels and lower end prostitutes, not escorts. A number of working girls in Nevada have negative stories about working conditions there as well. I'm thinking with full legalization everywhere, it will move toward independent girls working legally. There's been quite a few articles written by former escorts who were not coerced and made lots of money. There's one by Torontolife.com called "Secret life of a bay street hooker". At work so not gonna link. But basically, these indepdent/agency girls make a ton of money a year and can carve out a good life for themselves. They choose their clientele and do the background checks, rather than brothel system where girls may be trafficked and they have no say in who they see and what is allowed. The dominant thing here and in the Netherlands are brothels with the overwhelming majority of prostitutes being Eastern European girls that get here under very shady circumstances. These are two pretty big countries as far as evidence goes and there really isn't any case that would indicate that things turn out better anywhere else. This has nothing to do with feminist ideology but is simply a reality of a business in which the good that is being traded is a person's body. It's completely fair to say that based on what we know so far liberalization is a pretty horrible idea. Seems like outlawing foreign sex workers would remedy that pretty easily. I imagine there are politicians with an interest in keeping them around (they are probably getting some form of kickback from org crime [at least that's how it would work here])
The EU has free labour movement after all so there really is no way to outlaw "foreign" workers in legal businesses even if they might be working involuntarily which is also pretty hard to proof. That's the whole problem of legalized prostitution. Its so shady by nature that law enforcement simply has no handle.
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On June 23 2015 04:40 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 04:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 23 2015 04:29 Nyxisto wrote:On June 23 2015 03:49 fishjie wrote:On June 23 2015 03:21 Nyxisto wrote:On June 23 2015 03:07 fishjie wrote: legalization is a no brainer. just like legalizing drugs, it will destroy the criminal element, it will remove non violent offenders from the prison system so that their lives don't get ruined while the actual bad guys can be locked up, and there will be tons of tax revenue. its just win/win all around.
that's really not true at all. Ever since liberalization of prostitution here in Germany human trafficking has increased as the legality of prostitution has created a huge grey area where prosecution is almost impossible. "Axel Dreher, a professor of international and development politics at the University of Heidelberg, has attempted to answer these questions, using data from 150 countries. The numbers were imprecise, as are all statistics relating to trafficking and prostitution, but he was able to identify a trend: Where prostitution is legal, there is more human trafficking than elsewhere." lengthy article about the topic Interesting, sounds like the problem is due to brothels and lower end prostitutes, not escorts. A number of working girls in Nevada have negative stories about working conditions there as well. I'm thinking with full legalization everywhere, it will move toward independent girls working legally. There's been quite a few articles written by former escorts who were not coerced and made lots of money. There's one by Torontolife.com called "Secret life of a bay street hooker". At work so not gonna link. But basically, these indepdent/agency girls make a ton of money a year and can carve out a good life for themselves. They choose their clientele and do the background checks, rather than brothel system where girls may be trafficked and they have no say in who they see and what is allowed. The dominant thing here and in the Netherlands are brothels with the overwhelming majority of prostitutes being Eastern European girls that get here under very shady circumstances. These are two pretty big countries as far as evidence goes and there really isn't any case that would indicate that things turn out better anywhere else. This has nothing to do with feminist ideology but is simply a reality of a business in which the good that is being traded is a person's body. It's completely fair to say that based on what we know so far liberalization is a pretty horrible idea. Seems like outlawing foreign sex workers would remedy that pretty easily. I imagine there are politicians with an interest in keeping them around (they are probably getting some form of kickback from org crime [at least that's how it would work here]) The EU has free labour movement after all so there really is no way to outlaw "foreign" workers in legal businesses even if they might be working involuntarily which is also pretty hard to proof. That's the whole problem of legalized prostitution. Its so shady by nature that law enforcement simply has no handle.
Seems like it would be a reasonable restriction? I don't really see a lot of difference between that type of sex trafficking and what we do with Mexican labor.
I think the main problem wrapped in the 'trafficking' rhetoric is that they are promised one thing before they leave their native country and get a raw deal when they get to wherever they are going.
Because it's largely illegal and even where legal it's heavily influenced by the criminal element (and corrupt politicians) and they just force them into terrible conditions.
There's no reason a woman would need to work 8+ hours or 5-7 days a week in a legitimate sex business. Those kind of working conditions are a result of exploitative business operations not the sex working itself.
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On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses.
This statement made is one of opinion and not fact. You, like far too many others, throws out grand proclamations without bothering to cite any source.
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hey i'm just curious, is pimping culture the same throughout? like EU vs NA.
are all prostitution establishments have pimp-like relationship between employee and employer or is it more business like in EU or even in US?
much like drugs, i can't help but think the places that illegal are done underground and people are exposed to more other illegal activities, meanwhile in places that are legal, i'd imagine its carried out like any other business establishment.
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G5 is thinking about street walkers, and doesn't realize there is a high tier of ex-models college educated escorts who enjoy getting free travel and gifts, and being very selective with their clientele. We're talking like 1k per hour rates. He laughably states "there is the more common avenue of finding someone who'll take care of them financially in return for companionship" which is exactly what these high end escorts do.
Another interesting article was Asa Akira talking about the brief time she escorted. It ultimately wasn't for her, but it wasn't because she was forced into it. She has no issue with having sex for money. Give me a break with that white knighting stuff
I am surprised to see some studies show that trafficking has increased, but there are definitely women who enjoy doing this as I have mentioned. They make more money than you ever will. Much like porn stars, not everybody is a victim. Acting as though they are and that they have no ability to make decisions with their own body is ridiculous.
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On June 23 2015 07:29 fishjie wrote: G5 is thinking about street walkers, and doesn't realize there is a high tier of ex-models college educated escorts who enjoy getting free travel and gifts, and being very selective with their clientele. We're talking like 1k per hour rates. He laughably states "there is the more common avenue of finding someone who'll take care of them financially in return for companionship" which is exactly what these high end escorts do.
Another interesting article was Asa Akira talking about the brief time she escorted. It ultimately wasn't for her, but it wasn't because she was forced into it. She has no issue with having sex for money. Give me a break with that white knighting stuff
I am surprised to see some studies show that trafficking has increased, but there are definitely women who enjoy doing this as I have mentioned. They make more money than you ever will. Much like porn stars, not everybody is a victim. Acting as though they are and that they have no ability to make decisions with their own body is ridiculous.
I do realize there are the "high tier of ex-models blah blah" and most of those fall into the same category. Sure, you will find some that enjoy it but that's true about almost anything and isn't a valid point.
On June 23 2015 04:14 Glowsphere wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: ...
The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. You base this upon what? You don't think that someone could rationally choose to take $300+ and hour to simulate sex, rather than slave away all day long to make a fraction of the amount? And what is it that makes customers "shitty, ignorant and uncaring"?
Simulate sex? This is what a stripper does, not a prostitute. And yes, I'm sure plenty could and do choose it as a profession but most don't. I call their customers that because they are either ignorant to the industry they're engaging in/supporting or don't care.
On June 23 2015 05:51 soul55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. This statement made is one of opinion and not fact. You, like far too many others, throws out grand proclamations without bothering to cite any source.
I've worked in half-way houses / rehabilitation programs for minors and many of the female residents were former prostitutes. I've watch enough documentaries, sat through enough seminars, and spoken to enough former prostitutes to tell you it's a shitty business and most are forced/manipulated. Here's a few sources for you:
Starting with Child Prostitution:
"It is extremely clear that persons engaged in prostitution are not happy with their unfortunate choice of profession. Countless studies report that over 80% of prostitutes say they wish to get out of prostitution. This information does not explain why women do not get out of prostitution. There is plenty of statistically based studies on prostitutes reporting reasons why they do not quit their jobs and do something legitimate.
About 40% of prostitutes are former child prostitutes who were illegally forced into the profession through human trafficking or once were teenage runaways. Many of the runaways fled because their homes were abusive, poor, or did not approve of them. There is a nationwide trend of increased frequency of child prostitution as a result of runaways. Many men feel that they are safer from AIDS if they have sex with younger prostitutes, increasing the market for younger prostitutes. 60% percent of children reported missing as a result of running away become prostitutes for some period of time to survive." - sex-crime.laws.com
"100,000 children are used as prostitutes each year" - National Colloquium 2012 Final Report
40% of all human trafficking cases were of a child average age of 12-14. - Department of Justice
And then in general:
"Many people believe that prostitution is a choice and a valid career path. However, this is a fallacy. Nearly all prostituted women do not choose to engage in prostitution of their own volition, but rather have been forced or coerced against their will. In the cases where women are not forced outright to engage in prostitution, they are generally forced into it by their circumstances, e.g. addiction and poverty. Additionally, 90 percent of prostituted women have been physically abused as children*, 74 percent have been sexually abused by a family member**, 50 percent have been sexually abused by a non-family member***, and 75 percent have drug problems****, damaging factors that further remove the “choice” from the equation. Once involved in prostitution, women are very often abused or murdered by johns and by pimps. In surveys of prostituted women, consistently 89 to 96 percent said that they wanted to exit the prostitution system but could not due to a lack of healthcare, money, education, and other basic resources. There is no real difference between prostitution and slavery.
Certainly no child every “chooses” to be prostituted. And yet, the average age of the entry into prostitution in the United States is 12 to 14 years old. This is a serious challenge to the idea that women choose to be prostituted."
* Giobbe, E.; Harrigan, M; Ryan, J; Gamache, D (1990) Prostitution: A Matter of Violence against Women. WHISPER. Cited in Encyclopedia of Women and Gender: Sex Similarities and Differences and the impact of Society on Gender. 2. San Diego: Academic Press, 2002, page 882.
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On June 23 2015 05:51 soul55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. This statement made is one of opinion and not fact. You, like far too many others, throws out grand proclamations without bothering to cite any source.
Actually, why don't you go find me some statistics that say most female prostitutes freely go into it and are happy to stay in it and enjoyed all the sex and money a glamorous life of prostitution gave them.
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On June 23 2015 10:54 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 07:29 fishjie wrote: G5 is thinking about street walkers, and doesn't realize there is a high tier of ex-models college educated escorts who enjoy getting free travel and gifts, and being very selective with their clientele. We're talking like 1k per hour rates. He laughably states "there is the more common avenue of finding someone who'll take care of them financially in return for companionship" which is exactly what these high end escorts do.
Another interesting article was Asa Akira talking about the brief time she escorted. It ultimately wasn't for her, but it wasn't because she was forced into it. She has no issue with having sex for money. Give me a break with that white knighting stuff
I am surprised to see some studies show that trafficking has increased, but there are definitely women who enjoy doing this as I have mentioned. They make more money than you ever will. Much like porn stars, not everybody is a victim. Acting as though they are and that they have no ability to make decisions with their own body is ridiculous. I do realize there are the "high tier of ex-models blah blah" and most of those fall into the same category. Sure, you will find some that enjoy it but that's true about almost anything and isn't a valid point. Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 04:14 Glowsphere wrote:On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: ...
The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. You base this upon what? You don't think that someone could rationally choose to take $300+ and hour to simulate sex, rather than slave away all day long to make a fraction of the amount? And what is it that makes customers "shitty, ignorant and uncaring"? Simulate sex? This is what a stripper does, not a prostitute. And yes, I'm sure plenty could and do choose it as a profession but most don't. I call their customers that because they are either ignorant to the industry they're engaging in/supporting or don't care. Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 05:51 soul55555 wrote:On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. This statement made is one of opinion and not fact. You, like far too many others, throws out grand proclamations without bothering to cite any source. I've worked in half-way houses / rehabilitation programs for minors and many of the female residents were former prostitutes. I've watch enough documentaries, sat through enough seminars, and spoken to enough former prostitutes to tell you it's a shitty business and most are forced/manipulated. Here's a few sources for you: Starting with Child Prostitution: "It is extremely clear that persons engaged in prostitution are not happy with their unfortunate choice of profession. Countless studies report that over 80% of prostitutes say they wish to get out of prostitution. This information does not explain why women do not get out of prostitution. There is plenty of statistically based studies on prostitutes reporting reasons why they do not quit their jobs and do something legitimate. About 40% of prostitutes are former child prostitutes who were illegally forced into the profession through human trafficking or once were teenage runaways. Many of the runaways fled because their homes were abusive, poor, or did not approve of them. There is a nationwide trend of increased frequency of child prostitution as a result of runaways. Many men feel that they are safer from AIDS if they have sex with younger prostitutes, increasing the market for younger prostitutes. 60% percent of children reported missing as a result of running away become prostitutes for some period of time to survive." - sex-crime.laws.com"100,000 children are used as prostitutes each year" - National Colloquium 2012 Final Report40% of all human trafficking cases were of a child average age of 12-14. - Department of JusticeAnd then in general: "Many people believe that prostitution is a choice and a valid career path. However, this is a fallacy. Nearly all prostituted women do not choose to engage in prostitution of their own volition, but rather have been forced or coerced against their will. In the cases where women are not forced outright to engage in prostitution, they are generally forced into it by their circumstances, e.g. addiction and poverty. Additionally, 90 percent of prostituted women have been physically abused as children*, 74 percent have been sexually abused by a family member**, 50 percent have been sexually abused by a non-family member***, and 75 percent have drug problems****, damaging factors that further remove the “choice” from the equation. Once involved in prostitution, women are very often abused or murdered by johns and by pimps. In surveys of prostituted women, consistently 89 to 96 percent said that they wanted to exit the prostitution system but could not due to a lack of healthcare, money, education, and other basic resources. There is no real difference between prostitution and slavery. Certainly no child every “chooses” to be prostituted. And yet, the average age of the entry into prostitution in the United States is 12 to 14 years old. This is a serious challenge to the idea that women choose to be prostituted." * Giobbe, E.; Harrigan, M; Ryan, J; Gamache, D (1990) Prostitution: A Matter of Violence against Women. WHISPER. Cited in Encyclopedia of Women and Gender: Sex Similarities and Differences and the impact of Society on Gender. 2. San Diego: Academic Press, 2002, page 882.
To be fair, prostitution is currently illegal, and usually done either as a last resort or unwillingly. That along with the dangers of dealing with pimps and customers, not to mention the correlation with drug use, means there wouldn't be a lot of positive experiences.
Legalize it, regulate it, protect the workers with brothels, and (at least attempt to) make it no longer stigmatized, and you'll likely see different opinions on the matter. It's really not all that different from the porn industry.
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On June 23 2015 11:28 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 10:54 G5 wrote:On June 23 2015 07:29 fishjie wrote: G5 is thinking about street walkers, and doesn't realize there is a high tier of ex-models college educated escorts who enjoy getting free travel and gifts, and being very selective with their clientele. We're talking like 1k per hour rates. He laughably states "there is the more common avenue of finding someone who'll take care of them financially in return for companionship" which is exactly what these high end escorts do.
Another interesting article was Asa Akira talking about the brief time she escorted. It ultimately wasn't for her, but it wasn't because she was forced into it. She has no issue with having sex for money. Give me a break with that white knighting stuff
I am surprised to see some studies show that trafficking has increased, but there are definitely women who enjoy doing this as I have mentioned. They make more money than you ever will. Much like porn stars, not everybody is a victim. Acting as though they are and that they have no ability to make decisions with their own body is ridiculous. I do realize there are the "high tier of ex-models blah blah" and most of those fall into the same category. Sure, you will find some that enjoy it but that's true about almost anything and isn't a valid point. On June 23 2015 04:14 Glowsphere wrote:On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: ...
The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. You base this upon what? You don't think that someone could rationally choose to take $300+ and hour to simulate sex, rather than slave away all day long to make a fraction of the amount? And what is it that makes customers "shitty, ignorant and uncaring"? Simulate sex? This is what a stripper does, not a prostitute. And yes, I'm sure plenty could and do choose it as a profession but most don't. I call their customers that because they are either ignorant to the industry they're engaging in/supporting or don't care. On June 23 2015 05:51 soul55555 wrote:On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. This statement made is one of opinion and not fact. You, like far too many others, throws out grand proclamations without bothering to cite any source. I've worked in half-way houses / rehabilitation programs for minors and many of the female residents were former prostitutes. I've watch enough documentaries, sat through enough seminars, and spoken to enough former prostitutes to tell you it's a shitty business and most are forced/manipulated. Here's a few sources for you: Starting with Child Prostitution: "It is extremely clear that persons engaged in prostitution are not happy with their unfortunate choice of profession. Countless studies report that over 80% of prostitutes say they wish to get out of prostitution. This information does not explain why women do not get out of prostitution. There is plenty of statistically based studies on prostitutes reporting reasons why they do not quit their jobs and do something legitimate. About 40% of prostitutes are former child prostitutes who were illegally forced into the profession through human trafficking or once were teenage runaways. Many of the runaways fled because their homes were abusive, poor, or did not approve of them. There is a nationwide trend of increased frequency of child prostitution as a result of runaways. Many men feel that they are safer from AIDS if they have sex with younger prostitutes, increasing the market for younger prostitutes. 60% percent of children reported missing as a result of running away become prostitutes for some period of time to survive." - sex-crime.laws.com"100,000 children are used as prostitutes each year" - National Colloquium 2012 Final Report40% of all human trafficking cases were of a child average age of 12-14. - Department of JusticeAnd then in general: "Many people believe that prostitution is a choice and a valid career path. However, this is a fallacy. Nearly all prostituted women do not choose to engage in prostitution of their own volition, but rather have been forced or coerced against their will. In the cases where women are not forced outright to engage in prostitution, they are generally forced into it by their circumstances, e.g. addiction and poverty. Additionally, 90 percent of prostituted women have been physically abused as children*, 74 percent have been sexually abused by a family member**, 50 percent have been sexually abused by a non-family member***, and 75 percent have drug problems****, damaging factors that further remove the “choice” from the equation. Once involved in prostitution, women are very often abused or murdered by johns and by pimps. In surveys of prostituted women, consistently 89 to 96 percent said that they wanted to exit the prostitution system but could not due to a lack of healthcare, money, education, and other basic resources. There is no real difference between prostitution and slavery. Certainly no child every “chooses” to be prostituted. And yet, the average age of the entry into prostitution in the United States is 12 to 14 years old. This is a serious challenge to the idea that women choose to be prostituted." * Giobbe, E.; Harrigan, M; Ryan, J; Gamache, D (1990) Prostitution: A Matter of Violence against Women. WHISPER. Cited in Encyclopedia of Women and Gender: Sex Similarities and Differences and the impact of Society on Gender. 2. San Diego: Academic Press, 2002, page 882. To be fair, prostitution is currently illegal, and usually done either as a last resort or unwillingly. That along with the dangers of dealing with pimps and customers, not to mention the correlation with drug use, means there wouldn't be a lot of positive experiences. Legalize it, regulate it, protect the workers with brothels, and (at least attempt to) make it no longer stigmatized, and you'll likely see different opinions on the matter. It's really not all that different from the porn industry.
Legalizing it really doesn't change much. It'd be nice if it did but it doesn't and examples are everywhere. The major thing legalization does is protect pimps and makes it difficult to local/prosecute things like kidnapping and illegal forms of trafficking. The point I'm trying to make is that it's a shitty business and shitty people are attracted to shitty industries like prostitution, legal or illegal.
Take a look at Mexico where it's decriminalized nation-wide and 13 states actually regulate it:
"Mexico is a source, transit, and destination country for persons trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation. Poverty, corruption and the violent drug war have contributed to the proliferation of sexual slavery in the country; much of the sex business is controlled by criminal gangs. Groups considered most vulnerable to human trafficking include women and children, indigenous persons, and undocumented migrants" US State Department
"Young female migrants recounted being robbed, beaten, and raped by members of criminal gangs and then forced to work in table dance bars or as prostitutes under threat of further harm to them or their families. The majority of non-Mexican trafficking victims come from Central America; lesser numbers come from Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, China, Taiwan, South Korea, India, Uruguay, and Eastern European countries. Victims are also trafficked to the United States" Human Rights Report
Edit: I saw another report on TV or something (forget where exactly) a couple weeks ago that basically stated prostitution is so prolific in Mexico's cities that border the United States like Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana that 1/3rd of all women in those cities are or have at some point been involved in the sex trade and something like 1/6th of all high school aged girls are actively in the sex trade.
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Yeah... That's Mexico. They also have rampant poverty and corruption. Not exactly a good example of legalizing prostitution done right.
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I'd wager most prostitutes in Canada get into it by themselves because the money is insanely good for some of them. And it's still pretty damn good for most of them.
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On June 23 2015 12:26 SK.Testie wrote: I'd wager most prostitutes in Canada get into it by themselves because the money is insanely good for some of them. And it's still pretty damn good for most of them.
It is, within the next week I'm going to be writing a very long blog about how to implement prostitution, as it's something I fully believe in.
If we use the guy scale, in my city, a 5-6/10 prostitute charges 150-250 hour, a 7/10 200-300, and a 8-9/10 300-450. 10/10 400-600. It is all protected, there are a variety of services, from weekend getaways, to blowjobs and massages, to pure companionship, to some kinky dominatrix stuff.
My girlfriend and I have a very uhh... I dunno unique sex life, and hiring a sex worker for a threesome is something we'd consider, and it's nice that we have a discreet way of doing so, with literally a 0% chance of punishment. Honestly, my girlfriend was considering working in the industry, as we're both in university and not rich, but I told her I'd prefer other avenues for her. Anyway, now she sells worn underwear, and underwear with period blood in it for big bucks.
A safe market for exchange of these services is crucial. Just because they are sensitive topics in society doesn't mean they are undesirable... People don't want to talk about them enjoying getting pegged by their girlfriends, or whatever else they might enjoy, but it's important that they are allowed to find what they are looking for without hurting others.
Prostitution is no longer something where girls stand on a street and make places in town shady. It involves a website like this http://edmonton.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ (for a random Alberta city), where you contact a woman with an unblocked number, and she can come to your house, or you to hers, and perform free consensual sex if you happen to give her a donation.
Nobody else is being affected by this, and I know several girls who willingly chose to go this route. Yeah, it's not as fun as it seems... It seems good when you think about a half-decent looking guy like you, and thinking it's like enjoyment for the girl. But then there are also the 60 year old men who are fat, show up drunk, bad breath, etc. But again, the money is really good, and quite safe from what I've heard from the girls here.
It's far from perfect, but legalizing it can help so much. They can freely report abusive numbers, abusive customers, gets checked for diseases and verified by the government. And better unify efforts for abusive customers, just to name a few things to help the girls.
Not only that, but the guys buying the sex can report it if it seems like some girls are working for an agency, or are putting up fake pictures for example. If the government is able to regulate and legalize it, they can actually receive tax money through prostitution (in ways of income tax), and come put certain regulations in place, like you need to get certified to become a prostitute. A certification will make sure you are clean, and if human trafficking is a concern, you could make certain laws like: "You must be be a Canadian citizen, or must have been a Canadian citizen for at least 5 years to be allowed to work in the sex industry"... This would help prevent this.
Anyway, lots of unexplored potential, and I think I'll be rallying for legalization of prostitution in my city over the summer.
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On June 23 2015 15:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 12:26 SK.Testie wrote: I'd wager most prostitutes in Canada get into it by themselves because the money is insanely good for some of them. And it's still pretty damn good for most of them. It is, within the next week I'm going to be writing a very long blog about how to implement prostitution, as it's something I fully believe in. If we use the guy scale, in my city, a 5-6/10 prostitute charges 150-250 hour, a 7/10 200-300, and a 8-9/10 300-450. 10/10 400-600. It is all protected, there are a variety of services, from weekend getaways, to blowjobs and massages, to pure companionship, to some kinky dominatrix stuff. My girlfriend and I have a very uhh... I dunno unique sex life, and hiring a sex worker for a threesome is something we'd consider, and it's nice that we have a discreet way of doing so, with literally a 0% chance of punishment. Honestly, my girlfriend was considering it, as we're both in university and not rich, but I told her I'd prefer other avenues for her. Anyway, now she sells worn underwear, and underwear with period blood in it for big bucks. A safe market for exchange of these services is crucial. Just because they are sensitive topics in society doesn't mean they are undesirable... People don't want to talk about them enjoying getting pegged by their girlfriends, or whatever else they might enjoy, but it's important that they are allowed to find what they are looking for without hurting others. Prostitution is no longer something where girls stand on a street and make places in town shady. It involves a website like this http://edmonton.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ (for a random Alberta city), where you contact a woman with an unblocked number, and she can come to your house, or you to hers, and perform free consensual sex if you happen to give her a donation. Nobody else is being affected by this, and I know several girls who willingly chose to go this route. Yeah, it's not as fun as it seems... It seems good when you think about a half-decent looking guy like you, and thinking it's like enjoyment for the girl. But then there are also the 60 year old men who are fat, show up drunk, bad breath, etc. But again, the money is really good, and quite safe from what I've heard from the girls here. It's far from perfect, but legalizing it can help so much. They can freely report abusive numbers, abusive customers, gets checked for diseases and verified by the government. And better unify efforts for abusive customers, just to name a few things to help the girls. Not only that, but the guys buying the sex can report it if it seems like some girls are working for an agency, or are putting up fake pictures for example. If the government is able to regulate and legalize it, they can actually receive tax money through prostitution (in ways of income tax), and come put certain regulations in place, like you need to get certified to become a prostitute. A certification will make sure you are clean, and if human trafficking is a concern, you could make certain laws like: "You must be be a Canadian citizen, or must have been a Canadian citizen for at least 5 years to be allowed to work in the sex industry"... This would help prevent this. Anyway, lots of unexplored potential, and I think I'll be rallying for legalization of prostitution in my city over the summer.
A lot of great points. Although I already feel a little awkward going to a pride type event without my girlfriend, some event to support legalized prostitution sounds like 100x more awkward with or without my gf lol.
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sexist; you'll be just another male prostitute in the crowd!.
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On June 23 2015 15:56 JieXian wrote: period blood underwear??? @@
http://metareddit.com/r/pantyselling/
On June 23 2015 16:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 15:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 23 2015 12:26 SK.Testie wrote: I'd wager most prostitutes in Canada get into it by themselves because the money is insanely good for some of them. And it's still pretty damn good for most of them. It is, within the next week I'm going to be writing a very long blog about how to implement prostitution, as it's something I fully believe in. If we use the guy scale, in my city, a 5-6/10 prostitute charges 150-250 hour, a 7/10 200-300, and a 8-9/10 300-450. 10/10 400-600. It is all protected, there are a variety of services, from weekend getaways, to blowjobs and massages, to pure companionship, to some kinky dominatrix stuff. My girlfriend and I have a very uhh... I dunno unique sex life, and hiring a sex worker for a threesome is something we'd consider, and it's nice that we have a discreet way of doing so, with literally a 0% chance of punishment. Honestly, my girlfriend was considering it, as we're both in university and not rich, but I told her I'd prefer other avenues for her. Anyway, now she sells worn underwear, and underwear with period blood in it for big bucks. A safe market for exchange of these services is crucial. Just because they are sensitive topics in society doesn't mean they are undesirable... People don't want to talk about them enjoying getting pegged by their girlfriends, or whatever else they might enjoy, but it's important that they are allowed to find what they are looking for without hurting others. Prostitution is no longer something where girls stand on a street and make places in town shady. It involves a website like this http://edmonton.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ (for a random Alberta city), where you contact a woman with an unblocked number, and she can come to your house, or you to hers, and perform free consensual sex if you happen to give her a donation. Nobody else is being affected by this, and I know several girls who willingly chose to go this route. Yeah, it's not as fun as it seems... It seems good when you think about a half-decent looking guy like you, and thinking it's like enjoyment for the girl. But then there are also the 60 year old men who are fat, show up drunk, bad breath, etc. But again, the money is really good, and quite safe from what I've heard from the girls here. It's far from perfect, but legalizing it can help so much. They can freely report abusive numbers, abusive customers, gets checked for diseases and verified by the government. And better unify efforts for abusive customers, just to name a few things to help the girls. Not only that, but the guys buying the sex can report it if it seems like some girls are working for an agency, or are putting up fake pictures for example. If the government is able to regulate and legalize it, they can actually receive tax money through prostitution (in ways of income tax), and come put certain regulations in place, like you need to get certified to become a prostitute. A certification will make sure you are clean, and if human trafficking is a concern, you could make certain laws like: "You must be be a Canadian citizen, or must have been a Canadian citizen for at least 5 years to be allowed to work in the sex industry"... This would help prevent this. Anyway, lots of unexplored potential, and I think I'll be rallying for legalization of prostitution in my city over the summer. A lot of great points. Although I already feel a little awkward going to a pride type event without my girlfriend, some event to support legalized prostitution sounds like 100x more awkward with or without my gf lol.
I think the person who will care about your image the most is yourself, the others wont care. If I see a normal looking guy, I wouldn't think prostitute or buyer (though nothing wrong with that), just someone who believes in personal freedom when it's not at the expense of other people.
I think it's just a social stigma that was founded in western countries by Christianity, and since more or less all European countries and US + Canada are predominantly christian, it's something that's around. However, when you have an ever increasing atheist/agnostic population, or a population that is following it's religion a lot less strictly for whatever reasons, then you must have people to fight for the rights of those people. A lot of the controversial topics (gay marriage and abortion are the first that come to mind) are due to religion the country was built on... In the same way gay marriage is being legalized, I think prostitution bears many similarities, and will/should follow suit.
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hmm, i got one. the only reason i'd support a legalization of prostitution would be if it will also come with "the quota" applied to its businesses/employees and such. (you know, when it's all about equality, the 50/50 male/female should be mandatory)
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On June 23 2015 16:08 FiWiFaKi wrote:http://metareddit.com/r/pantyselling/Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 16:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 23 2015 15:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 23 2015 12:26 SK.Testie wrote: I'd wager most prostitutes in Canada get into it by themselves because the money is insanely good for some of them. And it's still pretty damn good for most of them. It is, within the next week I'm going to be writing a very long blog about how to implement prostitution, as it's something I fully believe in. If we use the guy scale, in my city, a 5-6/10 prostitute charges 150-250 hour, a 7/10 200-300, and a 8-9/10 300-450. 10/10 400-600. It is all protected, there are a variety of services, from weekend getaways, to blowjobs and massages, to pure companionship, to some kinky dominatrix stuff. My girlfriend and I have a very uhh... I dunno unique sex life, and hiring a sex worker for a threesome is something we'd consider, and it's nice that we have a discreet way of doing so, with literally a 0% chance of punishment. Honestly, my girlfriend was considering it, as we're both in university and not rich, but I told her I'd prefer other avenues for her. Anyway, now she sells worn underwear, and underwear with period blood in it for big bucks. A safe market for exchange of these services is crucial. Just because they are sensitive topics in society doesn't mean they are undesirable... People don't want to talk about them enjoying getting pegged by their girlfriends, or whatever else they might enjoy, but it's important that they are allowed to find what they are looking for without hurting others. Prostitution is no longer something where girls stand on a street and make places in town shady. It involves a website like this http://edmonton.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ (for a random Alberta city), where you contact a woman with an unblocked number, and she can come to your house, or you to hers, and perform free consensual sex if you happen to give her a donation. Nobody else is being affected by this, and I know several girls who willingly chose to go this route. Yeah, it's not as fun as it seems... It seems good when you think about a half-decent looking guy like you, and thinking it's like enjoyment for the girl. But then there are also the 60 year old men who are fat, show up drunk, bad breath, etc. But again, the money is really good, and quite safe from what I've heard from the girls here. It's far from perfect, but legalizing it can help so much. They can freely report abusive numbers, abusive customers, gets checked for diseases and verified by the government. And better unify efforts for abusive customers, just to name a few things to help the girls. Not only that, but the guys buying the sex can report it if it seems like some girls are working for an agency, or are putting up fake pictures for example. If the government is able to regulate and legalize it, they can actually receive tax money through prostitution (in ways of income tax), and come put certain regulations in place, like you need to get certified to become a prostitute. A certification will make sure you are clean, and if human trafficking is a concern, you could make certain laws like: "You must be be a Canadian citizen, or must have been a Canadian citizen for at least 5 years to be allowed to work in the sex industry"... This would help prevent this. Anyway, lots of unexplored potential, and I think I'll be rallying for legalization of prostitution in my city over the summer. A lot of great points. Although I already feel a little awkward going to a pride type event without my girlfriend, some event to support legalized prostitution sounds like 100x more awkward with or without my gf lol. I think the person who will care about your image the most is yourself, the others wont care. If I see a normal looking guy, I wouldn't think prostitute or buyer (though nothing wrong with that), just someone who believes in personal freedom when it's not at the expense of other people. I think it's just a social stigma that was founded in western countries by Christianity, and since more or less all European countries and US + Canada are predominantly christian, it's something that's around. However, when you have an ever increasing atheist/agnostic population, or a population that is following it's religion a lot less strictly for whatever reasons, then you must have people to fight for the rights of those people. A lot of the controversial topics (gay marriage and abortion are the first that come to mind) are due to religion the country was built on... In the same way gay marriage is being legalized, I think prostitution bears many similarities, and will/should follow suit.
Yeah, I'm a work in progress. Lingering effects of a conservative upbringing.
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On June 23 2015 11:03 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 05:51 soul55555 wrote:On June 23 2015 03:33 G5 wrote: The problem with prostitution is that nearly every single prostitute was manipulated or forced into prostitution. Almost no one wakes up and says "I'm going to try prostitution out". That situation is ridiculously rare. This is a shitty industry and legalizing it in my opinion will just give protections to the shitty people that run these businesses and the shitty ignorant/uncaring people who are customers to these businesses. This statement made is one of opinion and not fact. You, like far too many others, throws out grand proclamations without bothering to cite any source. Actually, why don't you go find me some statistics that say most female prostitutes freely go into it and are happy to stay in it and enjoyed all the sex and money a glamorous life of prostitution gave them.
How about articles written by actual porn stars and escorts themselves? Porn stars are essentially escorts who get paid, the main difference being they are on camera. And much like prostitutes, the stereotype is that all porn girls are drug addicts with daddy issues. Not saying that doesn't happen, but painting them all with that same brush is sensationalist. Girls like Jenna Haze and Jenna Jameson have gone on to build businesses of their own. Nina Hartley, whose been around forever, makes educational sex videos. Trying to paint them all as victims is demeaning to women. God forbid there are women who actually enjoy sex and can make a profit off it and do what they want with their bodies.
Here is the article I was referring to earlier by an escort who made tons of money: https://medium.com/matter/sex-is-sex-but-money-is-money-e7c10091713f
I don’t hate men. I am not a victim of child trafficking. I have never been raped, or drugged, or done porn. I’m not an addict. I never had a pimp. I don’t suffer from what my American girlfriends call “daddy issues” and what my shrink refers to as “malformed identity centering on early childhood abandonment.”
OH BUT SHE MUST BE LYING RIGHT. HOW DARE SHE!
another one: NSFW pictures on the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2778187/High-class-escort-Summer-Knight-earns-eye-watering-10-000-week-selling-sex-fund-travels-world.html
She added: 'Sex work means I can afford Sydney, it's expensive but I love the lifestyle and I earn enough that it means I can work half the year and travel the rest. 'I have always loved travel, learning about new food, languages and customs. There is something really romantic about being totally alone in a place where nobody knows you or anything about your past, a totally fresh start.' A former dancer, Summer (her work name) first dabbled in the sex trade in Liverpool three years ago. 'I'm rebellious by nature and always knew from the age of 12 I would try it,' she explained.
OH BUT SHE MUST BE A LYING WHORE TOO, HOW DARE SHE TRAVEL THE WORLD AND ENJOY A GOOD LIFE
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On June 23 2015 16:34 xM(Z wrote: hmm, i got one. the only reason i'd support a legalization of prostitution would be if it will also come with "the quota" applied to its businesses/employees and such. (you know, when it's all about equality, the 50/50 male/female should be mandatory)
What?
Sorry, but why? When we look at construction jobs, we don't have quotas, when we have servers, we don't have quotas... Women have shown much less interest than men certain fields. Most male sex workers are for the gay community. Usually the only thing that women require is like someone to go to a wedding with and other social companionship and whatnot.
A year or two back, I read this blog of a guy, who worked as a prostitute for several years, and in all his life, he only had one or two women. Yes, I know at times it may look like women get the better deal of out this gender equality stuff, but I think it's sorting itself out.
Men will always make more money than women, because biologically they are more competitive, take more risks, and prefer to work in jobs that are more dangerous and stressful. I don't have a specific source now, but it's things I've had discussed in some of my previous classes like behavioral and experimental economics, as well as personal research. If you disagree with this statement, you are free to find me a reputable paper.
Anyway, the women who choose to live the life of potentially being undesirable to men, potentially being outcast by their friends for what their doing, as well as working in a more dangerous and contractor type position than the average woman deserve a pay premium. Construction companies discriminate towards the favor of men due to physical strength, so having an industry for women (which already exists), shouldn't cause any harm?
And legalization of sex industry would also likely lower prices, which would bring benefit to the male population.
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