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Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead
A leading Russian opposition politician, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.
An unidentified attacker in a car shot Mr Nemtsov four times in the back as he crossed a bridge in view of the Kremlin, police say.
He died hours after appealing for support for a march on Sunday in Moscow against the war in Ukraine.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has condemned the murder, the Kremlin says.
In a recent interview, Mr Nemtsov had said he feared Mr Putin would have him killed because of his opposition to the war in Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead in Moscow
Former deputy PM and critic of Vladimir Putin who was due to lead major rally on Sunday was killed near the Kremlin
Prominent Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov has been shot dead in Moscow. Nemtsov, a former deputy prime minister and a sharp critic of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, was reportedly shot four times in the back by a killer in a passing car.
The killing took place in the very centre of Moscow late on Friday evening on a bridge near St Basil’s Cathedral and the Kremlin, two days before Nemtsov was due to lead a major opposition rally in Moscow.
Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said the president would take the investigation into Nemtsov’s death under “personal control”, and that he believed the killing to be a provocation.
“Putin noted that this cruel killing has all the signs of a hit, and is a pure provocation,” said Peskov. He said Putin offered condolences to Nemtsov’s family.
Nemtsov, 55, was deputy prime minister during the 1990s in the government of Boris Yeltsin. He had written a number of reports in recent years linking Putin and his inner circle to corruption, and was one of the most well-known politicians among Russia’s small and beleaguered opposition.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/27/russian-opposition-politician-boris-nemtsov-shot-dead-moscow-reports
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At this point I'm starting to think that the biggest threat for Europe is not ISIS, but Russia and putin going absolutely crazy ...
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On February 28 2015 17:45 Jetaap wrote: At this point I'm starting to think that the biggest threat for Europe is not ISIS, but Russia and putin going absolutely crazy ... Please, if that guy seriously was a threat to Putin, he would have let him live and fake the elections, like Bush.
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Russian Federation40167 Posts
If you think about it, Putin would not really care about Nemtsov, unless he applies the following logic: kill Nemtsov, remove a good portion of his followers from the crowd (not really), accuse Ukraine/CIA/opposition itself via propaganda machine(it already does so, Ukraine girl that was not even hurt with that amount of shots totally helps),????,PROFIT.
Now, opposition has no actual reason for that either, even though he could act as a trigger.
And then here is the most likely case: some batshit crazy "patriot" that went ahead and shot the hated man. Why he would leave the girl alive is beyond me... actually never mind, leaving her alive would be perfect, considering that it was most likely planned.
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If any of you still have delusions of Russia being a democracy, where law and rights of opposition of Kremlin are respected, please get rid of those. You will save yourself future disappointments.
Oh, the "Putin dosn't gain anything from having him/her killed/arrested" is getting old.
Bonus points for "provocation", waiting for Ławrow to appear with "CIA did this" line.
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RIP
Weird though, as much as I dislike Putin, and I think he is a dictator, it does seem like the general consensus is that Russia likes him.
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Russia dosn't like him, Russia loves him. They will stand united around their leader and against enemies as long as political propaganda from Kremlin is strong enough to convince ordinary people that there is external threat to Fedaration that wants Russia on it knees. You need to understand that real events have little meaning there, it's what kind of narration about those events is used matters.
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On February 28 2015 18:54 FiWiFaKi wrote: RIP
Weird though, as much as I dislike Putin, and I think he is a dictator, it does seem like the general consensus is that Russia likes him. afaik a part of russia longs the days of stalin, a time when the URSS was the second world power
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On February 28 2015 19:02 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 18:54 FiWiFaKi wrote: RIP
Weird though, as much as I dislike Putin, and I think he is a dictator, it does seem like the general consensus is that Russia likes him. afaik a part of russia longs the days of stalin, a time when the URSS was the second world power
Exactly, and Putin isn't being weak, and isn't letting his country get thrown around. So yeah, the west dislikes him, and the western world tends to dislike any country that's not a democracy with free speech rather quickly, it's important to see that's not the only world view.
Either way, Garry Kasparov has been trying to warn the western world for ages now, and it seems like Russia can pose a threat. Still not sure what to make of the whole Russia situation, and how to go about dealing with it.
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Wow they don't care just shoot him on the street
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Russian Federation40167 Posts
On February 28 2015 18:43 Narw wrote: If any of you still have delusions of Russia being a democracy, where law and rights of opposition of Kremlin are respected, please get rid of those. You will save yourself future disappointments.
Oh, the "Putin dosn't gain anything from having him/her killed/arrested" is getting old.
Bonus points for "provocation", waiting for Ławrow to appear with "CIA did this" line. Point is, Putin really does not gain anything from having him killed here, well, except the ability to swiftly get rid of the report Nemtsov was preparing, that could have acted like an actual trigger. Could have.
On February 28 2015 19:09 Sprouter wrote: Wow they don't care just shoot him on the street Few hundreds meters away from Kremlin too!
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Well, this is quite different from the way that the US does this.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
I just love how all western media are like "Putin critic shot", even BBC who are usually reasonable and indeed started the story with a more neutral headline but then changed it. The man was known to be reckless and pig-headed, he was receiving death threats all his life because of his business interests, there are tons of reasons why someone could have want him dead, but no, it's obvious that it was Putin who had him shot because... we don't like him much right now.
I'm not a fan of Putin and the way he runs the country, but man, this anti Russian propaganda is so disgusting at times.
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Yeah, poor Putin, western media so rude towards him. All that happened recently was some invasion of Ukraine, shooting down a plane and some critic being shot, no biggie. Wonder why media are so hard towards him :/.
Next time they should just headline it some random politician in some random country shot, that way no one gets offended.
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Has anyone noticed that dictators' names in Russia end with "in"? Lenin, Stalin and Putin. :D
Of course, western media will play its propaganda against Russia but it is right in this case. How can you justify Russia's agenda in Ukraine?
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Its all gonna end in tears for Putin
On February 28 2015 19:51 Random() wrote: I just love how all western media are like "Putin critic shot", even BBC who are usually reasonable and indeed started the story with a more neutral headline but then changed it. The man was known to be reckless and pig-headed, he was receiving death threats all his life because of his business interests, there are tons of reasons why someone could have want him dead, but no, it's obvious that it was Putin who had him shot because... we don't like him much right now.
I'm not a fan of Putin and the way he runs the country, but man, this anti Russian propaganda is so disgusting at times.
Was he a Putin critic? Was he shot?
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I think speculation about the Russian government ordering an assassination is kinda stupid here. But Putin has more than enough militant fan boys that might think they do him (or their country) a favor by silencing that opposing voice.
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On February 28 2015 19:51 Random() wrote: I just love how all western media are like "Putin critic shot", even BBC who are usually reasonable and indeed started the story with a more neutral headline but then changed it. The man was known to be reckless and pig-headed, he was receiving death threats all his life because of his business interests, there are tons of reasons why someone could have want him dead, but no, it's obvious that it was Putin who had him shot because... we don't like him much right now.
I'm not a fan of Putin and the way he runs the country, but man, this anti Russian propaganda is so disgusting at times. Of course the media will write "Putin critic shot". Do you think "Random business man shot" will sell any papers? Media usually have a certain narrative that they follow which makes them biased. But that does not automatically mean it is state propaganda. For example the British media is also often "unfair" when it writes about the EU or the catholic church or makes German nazi references wherever possible. That is simply what sells.
It is still very different from a clear state propaganda organ like RT.
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On February 28 2015 19:33 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 18:43 Narw wrote: If any of you still have delusions of Russia being a democracy, where law and rights of opposition of Kremlin are respected, please get rid of those. You will save yourself future disappointments.
Oh, the "Putin dosn't gain anything from having him/her killed/arrested" is getting old.
Bonus points for "provocation", waiting for Ławrow to appear with "CIA did this" line. Point is, Putin really does not gain anything from having him killed here, well, except the ability to swiftly get rid of the report Nemtsov was preparing, that could have acted like an actual trigger. Could have. Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 19:09 Sprouter wrote: Wow they don't care just shoot him on the street Few hundreds meters away from Kremlin too! Not saying he did it but there's certainly more to gain by scaring the opposition into silence.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On February 28 2015 20:25 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 19:51 Random() wrote: I just love how all western media are like "Putin critic shot", even BBC who are usually reasonable and indeed started the story with a more neutral headline but then changed it. The man was known to be reckless and pig-headed, he was receiving death threats all his life because of his business interests, there are tons of reasons why someone could have want him dead, but no, it's obvious that it was Putin who had him shot because... we don't like him much right now.
I'm not a fan of Putin and the way he runs the country, but man, this anti Russian propaganda is so disgusting at times. Of course the media will write "Putin critic shot". Do you think "Random business man shot" will sell any papers? Media usually have a certain narrative that they follow which makes them biased. But that does not automatically mean it is state propaganda. For example the British media is also often "unfair" when it writes about the EU or the catholic church or makes German nazi references wherever possible. That is simply what sells. It is still very different from a clear state propaganda organ like RT.
You're right of course, it's just that I don't appreciate respectable media such as the BBC lowering themselves to tabloid-style headlines. Al Jazeera, Russian and Chinese newspapers mostly went with "Russian opposition politician shot dead". CNN and BBC: "Putin critic slain", "Putin critic shot dead", an obvious difference in tone and implications.
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