But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.
Lt. Walter Haut was the public-relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Col. William Blanchard.
Haut died in December 2005, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.
Last week, the text was released. It asserts that the weather-balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.
He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.
Interesting. I don't see much motive for him to do this after his death... but who knows. How did it get released, though? I'd think the government would clamp down on it. But still, maybe it was a freakin' transformer? Megatron?
If he did this just to add drama and mystery to it all, what a jokester.
But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.
Lt. Walter Haut was the public-relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Col. William Blanchard.
Haut died in December 2005, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.
Last week, the text was released. It asserts that the weather-balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.
He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.
Interesting. I don't see much motive for him to do this after his death... but who knows. How did it get released, though? I'd think the government would clamp down on it. But still, maybe it was a freakin' transformer? Megatron?
If he did this just to add drama and mystery to it all, what a jokester.
But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.
Lt. Walter Haut was the public-relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Col. William Blanchard.
Haut died in December 2005, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.
Last week, the text was released. It asserts that the weather-balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.
He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.
Interesting. I don't see much motive for him to do this after his death... but who knows. How did it get released, though? I'd think the government would clamp down on it. But still, maybe it was a freakin' transformer? Megatron?
If he did this just to add drama and mystery to it all, what a jokester.
Government hides everything from us TT_TT
Everything? I have no idea what you mean by that.
In my experience they only pretend to hide things from us to stop us from getting mad.
Well la di da. I think he's a jokester. If the US goverment saw this guy as a threat they would most likely stop him before this was released to the press.
On July 03 2007 01:19 Storchen wrote: Well la di da. I think he's a jokester. If the US goverment saw this guy as a threat they would most likely stop him before this was released to the press.
Unless they want you to follow exactly that train of thought...
His motive for having these released after his death could be to show that he had no other intention that to reveal the truth.
Unless he's tricky and only wanted us to think that...
I am a freak I tell all that I saw aliens and I have proofs. then I go make suicide and everyone thinks government setup my suicide that really they eliminated me. Government denies that there is not aliens but everyone just pushes it to tell the "truth".
This reminds me of that "home movie" UPN(or w/e network) aired a "suspected" footage of an alien abduction of a family party, scared the shit out of me, but then I relaized one of the family members was an actor on Nikelodeon(sp?).
But who cares, anyone can stir up shit before they die and have it discussed years after.
The government can never keep secrets, especially not this big. I guarantee it would have gotten out sooner than this. Plus what the hell is the motivation for keeping this secret? The only thing I can see is to keep the technology secret but I just don't see this happening, that's a huge dick move though, especially since the cold war is over.
Anyone remember that space is fucking huge? There's no way actual aliens have visited earth. Maybe tiny nano robots if they are that advanced but space is fucking big. This guy's motivation is to be a dick.
edit- Also it's been like 60 years so the US has obviously not gotten any useful technology out of it. I just don't really see the motivation for keeping it secret and even if they were trying to I just can't see it staying a secret. Some guy would tell his wife and his wife would tell someone, etc. There's just no way a secret like this can be kept, I'd say it's impossible even.
I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
We fly unmanned probes to other planets and we never even crash them. I'm pretty sure a manned alien ship wouldn't crash. It's hilarious how many people actually believe this slop.
so this is why the history channel has been showing shit about UFO's and USOs for the past year or so (sarcasm alert)
big thumbs down to this, and big thumbs down to the history channel for not showing real history and just talking about the homo bible code and apocolyptic shit as well as ufos
Imagine the aliens, well that was a brutal 1000 year trip going .25c but we finally made it to earth! Oh shit we just ran out of gas and we forgot to pack our parachutes
BS, not a chance .. remember that this was cold war era, afaik US were researching some kind of spy-meteo baloons and lots of other top secret crap in this area, the reaction of the government seems quite understandable. Quit those ridiculous theories people.
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
shit happens. why couldnt they crash? flying is pretty damn safe, but mechanical failures happen all the time.
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
shit happens. why couldnt they crash? flying is pretty damn safe, but mechanical failures happen all the time.
I guess after flying many light years they conveniently had a mechnical failure as they entered earth's atmosphere and their 10 backup engines failed too. Really fucking bad luck for that alien race. Our god must be >> their god and is pissed their god's creation is ahead of us.
I don't believe in the Roswell incident but I do believe there exists other intelligent life forms like us humans somewhere in the universe. To believe that the Earth is the only planet in the universe where there exists life is in my opinion very naive considering how gigantic the universe is and how many planets there exists..
However, due to the laws of nature, that we ever encounter "aliens" is highly unlikely, as it (as far as we know) is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light.
Well the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light if that counts. If we could get in a worm hole or rip space-time we might be able to go faster than the speed of light.
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
shit happens. why couldnt they crash? flying is pretty damn safe, but mechanical failures happen all the time.
I guess after flying many light years they conveniently had a mechnical failure as they entered earth's atmosphere and their 10 backup engines failed too. Really fucking bad luck for that alien race. Our god must be >> their god and is pissed their god's creation is ahead of us.
could have been spying on us in our atmosphere and crashed. maybe a few too many alien drinks, who knows =o
On July 03 2007 08:02 boghat wrote: Well the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light if that counts. If we could get in a worm hole or rip space-time we might be able to go faster than the speed of light.
True. There is a possibility, but I still believe it is highly unlikely. I guess we agree on that!
actually im not that surprised that the government would cover it up. leaking unknown and unverified and unexplainable shit like this will seriously cause shit in the world, seeing as how stupid the average person is.
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
shit happens. why couldnt they crash? flying is pretty damn safe, but mechanical failures happen all the time.
I guess after flying many light years they conveniently had a mechnical failure as they entered earth's atmosphere and their 10 backup engines failed too. Really fucking bad luck for that alien race. Our god must be >> their god and is pissed their god's creation is ahead of us.
could have been spying on us in our atmosphere and crashed. maybe a few too many alien drinks, who knows =o
On July 03 2007 08:12 pyrogenetix wrote: THE PROTOSS ARE HERE BITCHES
actually im not that surprised that the government would cover it up. leaking unknown and unverified and unexplainable shit like this will seriously cause shit in the world, seeing as how stupid the average person is.
What it would mostly do is cause a lot of cooperation to understand the technology and biology of the aliens. It would also make the sane and intelligent people more wowed at how amazing the universe is. It might cause some religious idiots to do some stupid things but it would definitely be worth it and it would get that out of the way because if aliens ever do really arrive it will happen anyway. Aliens crashing on Earth would be the biggest thing to ever happen to modern humans and understanding as much as we can about their technology and biology is extremely important. Keeping it secret is criminal to the human species.
any "ufo" sightings or the like have all, to me, been revealed through the foo fighter (and other man made machines (haunebu etc)) sightings during world war ii, this seems to be when these kind of sightings started and they have rational roots, the whole alien lifeform spin seems too wacky for me.
if you dont know what i'm refering to check it out, its pretty insane. +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjyFGtGiMSg
woa, i just found this video, it seems really hokey though and some of the stuff the guy says seems too off the wall to believe (though this thread is about aliens tt)
On July 03 2007 06:35 boghat wrote: We fly unmanned probes to other planets and we never even crash them. I'm pretty sure a manned alien ship wouldn't crash. It's hilarious how many people actually believe this slop.
That's not true, remember that probe crashing on Mars a few years back? Just 'cause Americans measure in cm, and British in yards and whatsoever (I found this so hilarious when it got out, I laughed my ass off).
On July 03 2007 06:35 boghat wrote: We fly unmanned probes to other planets and we never even crash them. I'm pretty sure a manned alien ship wouldn't crash. It's hilarious how many people actually believe this slop.
ag reed
why would lifeforms advanced enough to travel many many lightyears crash a spaceship on earth
sounds retarded
you'd assume if they could figure out how to travel all the way across galaxies and such without dying that their spaceships would be able to stay afloat and that they'd have t he technology to monitor our actions without physically touching down
I'm not saying that I think that roswell really happened, but to so ignorantly say that it isn't conceivable that aliens could wreck a UFO or that there is no way the government could, or would have motive to cover up such an event is retarded.
Being ignorant as such is just as stupid as the people who wholeheartedly believe in this shit. Please keep an open mind
On July 03 2007 07:54 Sean.G wrote: I don't believe in the Roswell incident but I do believe there exists other intelligent life forms like us humans somewhere in the universe. To believe that the Earth is the only planet in the universe where there exists life is in my opinion very naive considering how gigantic the universe is and how many planets there exists..
However, due to the laws of nature, that we ever encounter "aliens" is highly unlikely, as it (as far as we know) is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light.
On July 03 2007 09:54 CrownRoyal wrote: I'm not saying that I think that roswell really happened, but to so ignorantly say that it isn't conceivable that aliens could wreck a UFO or that there is no way the government could, or would have motive to cover up such an event is retarded.
Being ignorant as such is just as stupid as the people who wholeheartedly believe in this shit. Please keep an open mind
Having an open mind doesn't mean being an idiot. There is no way aliens with the technology to travel light years at a fast speed are going to crash on the destination planet. Maybe you don't realize how advanced that technology would have to be to actually achieve this feat. With our present technology if we sent a ship going the fastest speed we've ever attained it would take around 32,000 years to reach the nearest star, and that's just the nearest star! Obviously if aliens were to visit us their technology would be extreme. We almost never crash our spaceships and like I just showed our technology is a joke for space travel right now.
On July 03 2007 07:54 Sean.G wrote: I don't believe in the Roswell incident but I do believe there exists other intelligent life forms like us humans somewhere in the universe. To believe that the Earth is the only planet in the universe where there exists life is in my opinion very naive considering how gigantic the universe is and how many planets there exists..
However, due to the laws of nature, that we ever encounter "aliens" is highly unlikely, as it (as far as we know) is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light.
u factor in space but not time....
What do you mean? That even though they can't travel faster than the speed of light, they can reach us by traveling the same distance but at a slower speed, thus taking an insane amount of years?
Could be, we don't know.. but still very unlikely.
But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.
Lt. Walter Haut was the public-relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Col. William Blanchard.
Haut died in December 2005, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.
Last week, the text was released. It asserts that the weather-balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.
He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.
Interesting. I don't see much motive for him to do this after his death... but who knows. How did it get released, though? I'd think the government would clamp down on it. But still, maybe it was a freakin' transformer? Megatron?
If he did this just to add drama and mystery to it all, what a jokester.
Government hides everything from us TT_TT
Everything? I have no idea what you mean by that.
In my experience they only pretend to hide things from us to stop us from getting mad.
The government hides so many things from the general public that you can't even begin to list them all. This isn't a "WOW EVIL GOVERNMENT" type post, but rather that if people knew what was going on all the time, they'd probably live in a world of fear.
On July 03 2007 09:54 CrownRoyal wrote: I'm not saying that I think that roswell really happened, but to so ignorantly say that it isn't conceivable that aliens could wreck a UFO or that there is no way the government could, or would have motive to cover up such an event is retarded.
Being ignorant as such is just as stupid as the people who wholeheartedly believe in this shit. Please keep an open mind
Having an open mind doesn't mean being an idiot. There is no way aliens with the technology to travel light years at a fast speed are going to crash on the destination planet. Maybe you don't realize how advanced that technology would have to be to actually achieve this feat. With our present technology if we sent a ship going the fastest speed we've ever attained it would take around 32,000 years to reach the nearest star, and that's just the nearest star! Obviously if aliens were to visit us their technology would be extreme. We almost never crash our spaceships and like I just showed our technology is a joke for space travel right now.
Agree.
What actually is quite fascinating though is that we actually have managed to accelerate particles to 0.99c (at CERN in Geneva). But of course, these are small particles and to have a big space ship reach this speed is unthinkable.. nevertheless, even with this kind of speed, we won't get any far in space (as Boghat explains in the quotation above).
The sad thing is if intelligent space faring species are so rare in the universe as to only average one or less per galaxy we will probably never make contact with aliens let alone see them. The nearest large galaxy to us (there's closer much smaller dwarf galaxies) is 2.9 million light years away. So even if we or an alien somehow could travel at the speed of light it would still take 2.9 million years to reach another civilization (if there's only 1 per galaxy). This would be a good explanation why we've never made contact with aliens.
Hopefully intelligent life is more common than this because I'd really like to meet an alien.
On July 03 2007 08:12 pyrogenetix wrote: THE PROTOSS ARE HERE BITCHES
actually im not that surprised that the government would cover it up. leaking unknown and unverified and unexplainable shit like this will seriously cause shit in the world, seeing as how stupid the average person is.
What it would mostly do is cause a lot of cooperation to understand the technology and biology of the aliens. It would also make the sane and intelligent people more wowed at how amazing the universe is. It might cause some religious idiots to do some stupid things but it would definitely be worth it and it would get that out of the way because if aliens ever do really arrive it will happen anyway. Aliens crashing on Earth would be the biggest thing to ever happen to modern humans and understanding as much as we can about their technology and biology is extremely important. Keeping it secret is criminal to the human species.
yes i agree entirely that it would serve a much better use for us to learn from them. its just that i can understand why the govt would want to keep it quiet. nevertheless the people should have the right to know =D
oh and the crashing thing. my friends dad said that we actually crash shit all the time, its just that its never communicated to the public. kinda explains why everyone goes off the chains and throws paper around when a successful rocket launch happens. btw same with airforce. lots of pilots die while training but not much coverage goes around that. so the possibility of the aliens crashing is minimal, but not impossible. i would also like to propose the idea that landing on earth may not have been part of the plan. they may very well (and i know im sounding a little sci fi here) have come and visited us several times only to observe the hostility of us as life forms without any initiatives to land. them crashing might have been any sort of error in their... um... equipment. spaceships are quite delicate arent they?
anyway would like to have this verified or if its the old man's way of saying goodbye with a bang
The fact that the aliens miscalculated some aspect of the human earth leads to the possibility that some malfunction could lead to crashing.
To all that "agreed"
If you do recall there have been ships that have been tracked down and shot at, that move at the precise moment of impact to avoid danger( 9 US fighter jets vs UFO. UFO 1-0)
Also are you saying that there is a race so perfect that nothing can be mistake? and if Earth is so "gosu" then why do we crash probes sometimes. Why do our space shuttles explode upon lift off? Why do satellites get "taken" out of orbiter w/o any knowledge of it? Why did president bush stop all fundations of SETI as soon as he was elected?
For you to be ignorant enough to say that out of 189319082389012038912890301 galaxies that there is no 1 other lifeform identical to us. You sir are a moron.
Holy shit lastshadow, your post is so garbled and all over the place. For the record we think there's around 100+ billion stars in the observable universe. And if an alien is species is going to take the immense time it takes to travel the light years between planets I guarantee you they will make sure they know exactly what their destination planet is like. They aren't going to travel 1000 light years only to be like oops the Earth isn't what we though it was like and crash. As for the rest of your post I don't know what your saying or responding to.
And it doesn't matter we crash all the time or not because like I already said our technology is a complete joke for space travel anyways. But actually if we are talking about manned space trips (which we are with Roswell) then yes we hardly ever make a mistake and crash or explode. And I enjoy astronomy and read a lot of news about it and you don't often hear about important probes sent to other parts of the solar system crashing or malfunctioning. It really doesn't happen that often.
On July 03 2007 12:20 boghat wrote: Holy shit lastshadow, your post is so garbled and all over the place. For the record we think there's around 100+ billion stars in the observable universe. And if an alien is species is going to take the immense time it takes to travel the light years between planets I guarantee you they will make sure they know exactly what their destination planet is like. They aren't going to travel 1000 light years only to be like oops the Earth isn't what we though it was like and crash. As for the rest of your post I don't know what your saying or responding to.
And it doesn't matter we crash all the time or not because like I already said our technology is a complete joke for space travel anyways. But actually if we are talking about manned space trips (which we are with Roswell) then yes we hardly ever make a mistake and crash or explode. And I enjoy astronomy and read a lot of news about it and you don't often hear about important probes sent to other parts of the solar system crashing or malfunctioning. It really doesn't happen that often.
Again your saying the aliens can be "perfect" to anymeans. And how do you know they move at light speed? From what the fight of USFJ v UFO they were moving faster than light.
And my post gave examples of how "predestinations" can go wrong.
Why are we all serious and all about this... Maybe they're just a bunch of teenaged aliens who wanted to mess around with us, borrowed dad's saucer, got drunk and crashed -_-
You really think they're on an "exploration mission" in the middle of fricken nowhere on earth, which is probably a planet in the middle of nowhere in their charted universe?
Alright I've had enough arguing with you idiots on this thread. Use your head before posting shit. The Earth is obviously not in the middle of nowhere because it's in a fucking galaxy. And it's obviously extremely special because it has intelligent life on it. And as for going faster than the speed of light, I won't bother arguing about that. If aliens can travel faster than the speed of life and then crash land on Earth then I'm fucking Santa Clause.
On July 03 2007 12:39 Newbistic wrote: Why are we all serious and all about this... Maybe they're just a bunch of teenaged aliens who wanted to mess around with us, borrowed dad's saucer, got drunk and crashed -_-
On July 03 2007 13:42 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: seems to me that if we really were attacked by ufos or started some sort of conflict with them, we'd get hard core pwned.
On July 03 2007 09:54 CrownRoyal wrote: I'm not saying that I think that roswell really happened, but to so ignorantly say that it isn't conceivable that aliens could wreck a UFO or that there is no way the government could, or would have motive to cover up such an event is retarded.
Being ignorant as such is just as stupid as the people who wholeheartedly believe in this shit. Please keep an open mind
actually I can think of many reasons why the government would want to cover it up
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
Shit happens. Just because they have some time traveling space doo-hickie doesn't mean they are perfect.
Although I don't necessarily believe that it was aliens, I do for sure believe it was some crazy technology that was covered up.
There was a special on History channel about this not too long ago, There were people who deciphered the paper memo that was held in Gen. Ramey's hand in a picture and it proves that its a cover up.
Just another note, There have been UFO type sitings/encounters since the dawn of man. Just look at this little story of 3 wise men following a star, Hmmm when do stars move? UFO? yea and what about that prophet Elijah who was taken away into the heavens by a whirlwind of flaming chariots in the sky?
Back then "Heavens" literaly meant sky, and since they had no fucking clue what they were looking at except something that could carry a man and move him around they could only use the word "flaming chariot" to describe what they saw.
And who says they are aliens anyways? Maybe they are just highly evolved humans from the future coming back to research on themselves?
It wasn't really a cover up they just didn't want to let out whatever technology they were working on. They have admitted this early on. That deciphering of the memo proves nothing. If anything it proves that it was a weather balloon like they've said.
Humans traveling back in time is even more ludicrous than aliens.
On July 03 2007 17:16 boghat wrote: It wasn't really a cover up they just didn't want to let out whatever technology they were working on. They have admitted this early on. That deciphering of the memo proves nothing. If anything it proves that it was a weather balloon like they've said.
Humans traveling back in time is even more ludicrous than aliens.
Yea , because weather balloons have victims and disk shapes right?
You honestly think its more probable to believe that some race from billions of light years away has found us, and then on top of that traveled here?
You seriously think UFOs are going to be the standard disk shape in popular culture? Give me a break. This deciphering, if it's even remotely accurate, still says absolutely nothing.
I don't know why you think they are billions of light years away when the whole observable universe is only around 13.6 billion light years. Yes I do think aliens traveling light years is more probable than backwards time travel. Frontwards "time travel" is possible through the laws of physics but backwards time travel isn't and I don't see why it ever would be.
boghat you have an extremely, extremely closed mind
as to what travis said about aliens being too advanced to crash, we don't know the circumstances at all. if they've been observing and visiting for thousands of years then even an advanced species you would think could have the occasional mishap. as was said by crownroyal, the most important thing is to keep an open mind.
No, you guys have extremely bad science. What's the point of that picture? Elementary particles have a wave-particle duality. They are not shaped like anything.
Elementary particle are not circles, that's just for our convenience.
And I'm saying light (photons) are not the shape of fucking circles or disks.
Its not practical to fly in some cube shaped machine, how would the thrust work for that anyways. And an arrow or pointed shape has limited turning mobility. just look at helicoptors, they have the blades arranged into a circle so they can move in any direction on a dime or at high speeds.
You're right you don't need aerodynamics in space but they aren't just flying through space are they?
Just hypothetically speaking, In your opinion what would you have aliens flying in, rockets?
Well our probes are similar to the shape of UFOs but that's because we invented the shape of UFOs and our own probes. I have no idea how a spaceship that could travel near the speed of light would be shaped. It probably wouldn't matter much what the shape is though since it's going through space, which is very near a perfect vacuum. I just don't see why disk shape screams UFO except for the fact that it's our popular image of one. You could call weather balloons disk shaped as well.
The point is actually that I agree with you that a disk shape is probably the best shape for a spacecraft but that's not the shape of particles; that was my other point. But I still think saying disk means nothing from that memo because for one how do we even know the interpretation of that memo is close to accurate?
well just some deep thoughts from me, obviously only opinions, but I think that by far the best way to travel from one part of the universe to another would be to send programmed machines (like nanobots or something) to where you want to go, then construct something that basically creates a replica of you but in the new place
Well Travis why do you travel to other countries? I think the answer is pretty much the same, curiosity and fun. But your idea on nanobots I agree with.
On July 03 2007 18:58 boghat wrote: Well Travis why do you travel to other countries? I think the answer is pretty much the same, curiosity and fun. But your idea on nanobots I agree with.
well I think that if your level of technology is so high that u can experience a place without actually being there then the answer would not be the same
but then again I guess I am assuming that this civilization, capable of long-distance space travel, is capable of true virtual reality
On July 03 2007 19:03 dronefromhell wrote: its interesting all the aliens and shit r found in USA. it seems those aliens only visit world super power.......
On July 03 2007 18:58 boghat wrote: Well Travis why do you travel to other countries? I think the answer is pretty much the same, curiosity and fun. But your idea on nanobots I agree with.
well I think that if your level of technology is so high that u can experience a place without actually being there then the answer would not be the same
but then again I guess I am assuming that this civilization, capable of long-distance space travel, is capable of true virtual reality
This is a good point. I'm sure there would be some intrepid aliens that would want to experience the real reality for themselves though. And actually getting to the planet would most likely get you a lot more information than simply observing it from afar.
To be honest it's a life dream of mine to understand the unknown.
I never take medicine or anything really that could help my body outside of its self.
I try to train my body to be the toughest it could ever be so that if a situation was to ever arise where I could explore and perhaps understand even 1% of the things that are just so impossible for me to comprehend, I would do it in a heart beat. I would trade my life to understand why the fuck I am living on this planet, and why in the hell we live in a universe so big and pretty much any other question that man kind has ever sat down and just pondered on, I want to know the unknown, I seek the truth.
Or maybe I've just seen a few too many episodes of the X-Files.
:\\
I can understand completely why another intelligent creature would desire to explore, not only for their own personal satisification, but for lucrative reasons as well, America didn't NEED to conquer the west, but it sure did help make the country what it is today even if that is just a scamming cover-up hoaxing nation that imposes its will on other nations for no apparent reason.
CrownRoyal, grow up a bit outside your religious and/or stupidity bubble. Medicine has nothing to do with how we view or understand the world (physically that is).
you're retarded, I am not being religious in any way or fashion. I don't take medicine so that my body has a stronger immune system. Thus making me much less prone to illness.
On July 03 2007 18:58 boghat wrote: Well Travis why do you travel to other countries? I think the answer is pretty much the same, curiosity and fun. But your idea on nanobots I agree with.
well I think that if your level of technology is so high that u can experience a place without actually being there then the answer would not be the same
Well if we're going to talk about sci-fi technology outside the understandings of our laws of physics, then why can't they have a way to conviniently come to Earth instead of traditional travel? I mean, we couldn't even fathom, right?
Speaking of hypotheticals like that will get us no where on the topic of such advanced civilizations. Only thing that matters in the end for the Roswell incident is: are there really little men in that military base and was it really a vehicle from space.
On July 03 2007 17:38 boghat wrote: No, you guys have extremely bad science. What's the point of that picture? Elementary particles have a wave-particle duality. They are not shaped like anything.
Elementary particle are not circles, that's just for our convenience.
And I'm saying light (photons) are not the shape of fucking circles or disks.
QFT.
And, regarding the shape of ships of an advanced alien civilization, let me just quote Arthur Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Translation: It's impossible to apply our rules for designing helicopters or cars and extrapolate to try to figure out how an alien ship, meant for interstellar travel, would be built. Chances are that the design constraints required for the small part of the journey in an atmosphere (if there's any such travel at all) would be far outweighed by the design issues involved in travelling at a substantial fraction of the speed of light. Therefore, the shape might be nothing like any vehicle we have seen.
On July 03 2007 12:20 boghat wrote: Holy shit lastshadow, your post is so garbled and all over the place. For the record we think there's around 100+ billion stars in the observable universe. And if an alien is species is going to take the immense time it takes to travel the light years between planets I guarantee you they will make sure they know exactly what their destination planet is like. They aren't going to travel 1000 light years only to be like oops the Earth isn't what we though it was like and crash. As for the rest of your post I don't know what your saying or responding to.
And it doesn't matter we crash all the time or not because like I already said our technology is a complete joke for space travel anyways. But actually if we are talking about manned space trips (which we are with Roswell) then yes we hardly ever make a mistake and crash or explode. And I enjoy astronomy and read a lot of news about it and you don't often hear about important probes sent to other parts of the solar system crashing or malfunctioning. It really doesn't happen that often.
Is it really inconceivable for an alien species to experience technical difficulties? I mean surely there must be those regardless of how advanced you are.. Not saying I think we've been visited or that I believe the Roswell crash was real (I don't really know much about any of this), but for all we know, if someone did indeed crash here, earth as a destination could have been completely involuntary, maybe they didn't as much fly here as they drifted meteor style into our atmosphere or whatever.
Anyway, I don't know how any of this works so I won't mention any more details for fear of looking silly All I'm saying is I don't understand your argument, why would they be immune to mistakes/misfortune.
EDIT: Oops, seems the thread has moved on from this debate, should have read all the pages I guess!
On July 03 2007 19:03 dronefromhell wrote: its interesting all the aliens and shit r found in USA. it seems those aliens only visit world super power.......
wtf r u talking about
there have been ufo sightings all over the world
yes theres ALOT, ALOT, ALOT in brasil and the rest of latin america
I think this guy just wanted to get his name in the history books and/or get people excited over nothing. It's a much more likely explanation than the Roswell Aliens being real, imo.
On July 03 2007 20:02 CrownRoyal wrote: I just wanna understand and know everything, is that so much to ask?
I'm sorry I didn't mean to be a jerk about it. But the fact is taking or not taking medicine is not going to affect your immune system much (I'm not sure what medicine you mean but I'm assuming painkillers and other common stuff). Also having a strong or weak immune system is not going to affect your brain and in turn how you understand the world. I'm just saying when you have a headache and choose not to take a painkiller it is not helping you whatsoever.
On July 03 2007 06:23 travis wrote: I would also like to say that it's ridiculous to think that an alien race advanced enough to actually fly a fucking spaceship through outer space to another planet with life would actually crash onto that planet.
and visits that planet for no apparent reason
What are you talking about? Those aliens were obviously scouting our build order. -_- It's a good thing it killed itself before it saw too much
On July 03 2007 20:02 CrownRoyal wrote: I just wanna understand and know everything, is that so much to ask?
I'm sorry I didn't mean to be a jerk about it. But the fact is taking or not taking medicine is not going to affect your immune system much (I'm not sure what medicine you mean but I'm assuming painkillers and other common stuff). Also having a strong or weak immune system is not going to affect your brain and in turn how you understand the world. I'm just saying when you have a headache and choose not to take a painkiller it is not helping you whatsoever.
lol? why do you think that people become immune to antibiotics or diabetics can no longer take pills and have to take shots of insulin?
anything you take in your body builds up a barrier against it, you can't be serious.
by letting my body kill off whatever it is it becomes essentially immune to the sickness, rather than dependent on medicine to win the battle for it.
On July 03 2007 06:35 boghat wrote: We fly unmanned probes to other planets and we never even crash them. I'm pretty sure a manned alien ship wouldn't crash. It's hilarious how many people actually believe this slop.
Then again one of our stealth fighters got shot down a few years ago.
On July 03 2007 20:02 CrownRoyal wrote: I just wanna understand and know everything, is that so much to ask?
I'm sorry I didn't mean to be a jerk about it. But the fact is taking or not taking medicine is not going to affect your immune system much (I'm not sure what medicine you mean but I'm assuming painkillers and other common stuff). Also having a strong or weak immune system is not going to affect your brain and in turn how you understand the world. I'm just saying when you have a headache and choose not to take a painkiller it is not helping you whatsoever.
lol? why do you think that people become immune to antibiotics or diabetics can no longer take pills and have to take shots of insulin?
anything you take in your body builds up a barrier against it, you can't be serious.
by letting my body kill off whatever it is it becomes essentially immune to the sickness, rather than dependent on medicine to win the battle for it.
Why don't you read what you wrote again, I was simply responding to you; but maybe I misunderstood you when you were saying stuff like "I just want to understand and know everything". I thought you were saying not taking medicine would help you achieve this but maybe you were talking about unrelated things and just randomely brought up the medicine thing for no reason?
There's a big difference between saying antibiotics and medicine. I don't see why you would be taking antibiotics in the first place though unless you were really sick. And if you get really sick enough to need to take antibiotics, like strep throat or some kind of other serious infection, I would suggest taking the antibiotics. And diabetics have no other choice either. Common cold medicine and other painkillers doesn't in fact affect your immune system much because it's really there just to make you feel better, not to cure the illness.
On July 03 2007 06:35 boghat wrote: We fly unmanned probes to other planets and we never even crash them. I'm pretty sure a manned alien ship wouldn't crash. It's hilarious how many people actually believe this slop.
Then again one of our stealth fighters got shot down a few years ago.
those were the russians, lol
to CrownRoyal - genetics is a bitch. to travis - your ideea cand work only if you think that a human is a product, a thing; i can't see how nanorobots can make your replica feel or think the way you do.
Alot of people seem to share the opinion that if they're good enough to travel to earth, they're good enough to keep it in the air, and therefore, nothing could cause them to crash.
But... What are the chances of a rocket ship having difficulties in comparison to a bicycle? My point is, things don't get less complex as technology develops. Quite the contrary, the more advanced our technology becomes, the more complex and harder to understand it really is. Maybe their flight was just their first try? This would add an inexperience factor, also adding to the chances of a crash landing.
I completely agree with the statement "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." from Clutch3. Imagine showing a computer to people from hundreds of years ago. You'd probably be hanged for witchery. Or burnt at the stake if ur a woman (i dunno how their punishment worked back in those days).