Power Rank 06/02/2007 - Page 9
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
i just checked the proleague records and nada isn't even 4-0 in his last 4 games, he's 2-2. he lost this past week to coul[fou] really embarrassingly, just getting raped purely by the first muta harass. this happened like a few days ago. even the most recent gorush win, nada was well behind and just got lucky that gorush didn't make sunkens. it wasn't even as if he played well, gorush just made a huge error. i made a pretty valid point about your "focus on proleague" contention and you just randomly troll, ok fine whatever. Let me simplify: --if he focused on his last couple matches (2-2) then its only been a week of him NOT focusing on OSL/MSL (which happened way earlier) --if not, and he had been focusing on proleague all along why is he barely above 50% win? with lots of losses to no-names? | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
On June 11 2007 16:57 Wasabi wrote: Okay, I will reply on this one, since you're actually talking about the Proleague. DARN Nada for losing games! Darn him! His 4-0 records are from his VERY last games, about the time when I said that he's focusing on the Proleague, so again, irrelevant statistics. Nada > GGPlay NaDa > GanZi[3.33] NaDa > GoRush (beaten Sea[Shield] in a Terran favored map Python just yesterday) Nada > Canata Why would anyone focus on individual leagues if he's already out in it/them? And check above for that 2-2. Let's look at the losses of another good Proleaguer, Stork. AnyTime > Stork, beaten by a player who has been known for a less desirable PvP. Sea.Leta > Stork. Oh shoot, he loses to no names too! It's funny that you, of all people, can call others a "troll." Who makes more "lols I'm joking" posts here? I never made one. Let's count yours. again you didn't answer my main point which was: --if he was only focusing on proleague the last few days, why was he sucking in OSL/MSL before then? either he was a) sucking in OSL/MSL because he was focusing on proleague all along (with a mediocre proleague record) or b) he was practicing for OSL/MSL/Proleague and only really focused on proleague the last few days (the 4-0), in which case he didn't throw his OSL/MSL games which one is it? you can't have it both ways. i mean this is even assuming the that it's viable for him to "throw" major starleagues, which is ridiculous by itself. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
they don't make stupid, fanboyish "oh he's not trying" excuses and you need to look up what "troll" means because i'm clearly not a troll | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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berated-
United States1134 Posts
I don't understand how this argument is still going on, nada sucked in the individual leagues, and has had two good nights in PL. Edit: Pantech is still not going to win the Proleague. Even if Nada goes 2-0 they still have to win another game! The best thing for NaDa to do is to continue to market himself so he can get a decent contract if he wishes to continue gaming. | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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MyLovelyLurker
France730 Posts
If NaDa REALLY wanted to throw games away, what would he have done ? Either a) not show up to or, in the impossibility of the former, b) go sAviOr-style against Light and GG just after a failed all-in in order to show he didn't care. Embarrassing himself against Cool[fou] was not exactly a graceful exit. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
5/17 L to iloveoov on Monty 5/18 L to Bisu on Monghwan 6/1 L to Hwasin on Monty That's all the games he's played in MSL/OSL. Four. That's it. And two were TvTs on the same map, Monty Hall, which by the way is ALSO IN PROLEAGUE. So basically he was practicing for the Chalrenge game on Loki and Bisu game on Monghwan, and those two games caused him to do do badly in proleague up until the last four games, which only happened in the last couple days? (the coul[fou] proleague embarrassment happened after those games too) he has a bit of an excuse in the OSL because Bisu and Hwasin are really really good, but again Nada was runner up last season and he should be the one dictating that group rather than others. but the MSL losses and some of the Proleague losses (again, i'm not buying the omg he had to practice for TWO more games) are unacceptable. it's not so much the losses themselves but it's the way that he has been losing. if you watched the games and paid attention you'd know that there's something wrong with nada. it's not because he's "focusing" on proleague or whatever. he's slumping and not playing like himself. that's why he's off the power rank and i bet it was an easy decision by Etter. | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
On June 11 2007 17:16 Wasabi wrote: Too bad for people who are doing great in Proleague, isn't it? Well in a way yes but in a way no. You can't say that the proleauge isn't considered as highly imo. I know they say it isn't but if you look at positions 3 and 4 in the power rank they belong to two guys who are absolutely tearing up the proleague. And on top of that they are both knocked out of an individual league. Even if nada starts doing well now it is 10 days after the PR was released | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
On June 11 2007 17:16 Wasabi wrote: I don't expect people to agree with me, and I could care less. People agreeing with a general, popular opinion instead than losing MSL/OSL to focus on Proleague is nigh unbelievable, unless you see evidence. Yes, I know that I am talking too fast just because he won all his Proleague games within two days, but he somehow does, and if it continues anyway, then it may account for something. The discussion could've ended from Carnac's post and corrected me that the Power Rank is more about doing well in individual leagues and less about Proleague. But no, Hot_bid had to say gibberish. Too bad for people who are doing great in Proleague, isn't it? PowerRank takes into account the last month. Nada is not doing great in Proleague. He's doing good, but his overall record is not that great. Yes he had a good two days (one of those being a win against Gorush he really shouldn't have won). So your "too bad for people who are doing great in Proleague" doesn't apply to Nada. It applies to ForGG (7-2) or Canata (8-2) or Sea (9-3) but not to Nada (current stats have him at 9-7, maybe Carnac hasn't updated it yet). It's way too early to say that his last two days are representative of his entire Proleague. To use those two days as an excuse for bad performances in individual leagues weeks ago is just making excuses for no reason. edit: it's funny you use the Gorush game as an example, because if Gorush isn't an idiot and makes his sunkens as he should, Nada is way behind in that game. everyone agreed that Gorush lost that game rather than Nada won it. the GGPlay game yes Nada played well. but he's been inconsistent. to want to put him in PR because of mediocre, inconsistent Proleague performance so far is not warranted. | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
which is what everyone really is arguing about | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On June 11 2007 17:26 Hot_Bid wrote: Nada should be 11-7 now, I'm working on the updateSo your "too bad for people who are doing great in Proleague" doesn't apply to Nada. It applies to ForGG (7-2) or Canata (8-2) or Sea (9-3) but not to Nada (current stats have him at 9-7, maybe Carnac hasn't updated it yet). | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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MyLovelyLurker
France730 Posts
On June 11 2007 17:25 Wasabi wrote: When did I say that Nada absolutely DID NOT care about individual leagues as to do any of those atrocities? You are the stubborn one here. Never in Korean SC progaming did a player forfeit a game or not show up for any reason. My god, stop bringing up that Cool[Fou] game, you are clearly stubborn if you didn't see a difference in his play between that, and his games against Gorush and GGPlay. sAviOr does throw unimportant games away (Light, Gorush) and given NaDa's resume he could easily afford to as well. And my god, stop bringing up that Gorush game, the guy can't sunk properly, and isn't even on the PR, simply cause his ZvT only shines against lesser-ranked opponents. At last, what are we arguing about ? Are you arguing NaDa should be on the PR ? It is consensus here - not just Etter's opinion - that a player who's on neither of the major starleagues should not be. I guess it's your opinion too, so end of story. Are we arguing that NaDa is in a slump, voluntarily or not ? Certainly not so, it is fact that he's losing to noobs. The reasons for it are properly irrelevant in a PR context, and the rest - whether he's lying or not with his "team first" antics - is just speculation. Again, as a NaDa fan, you can't deny he's not displaying his usual sAviOr/Bisu-like dominance. That's all there is to it. As someone who likes NaDa a lot, I can only hope he gets back to his true level pretty soon. | ||
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