The AOL is an online tournament with a line-up of star players which will be commentated in English and broadcasted live via GOMTV.net. Available only with a premium ticket. The AOL will last from September 17th to October 2nd, every Saturday and Sunday at 08:00 GMT (+00:00). This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o Donot ask for restreams.
- The 12 players will be divided into 4 groups of 3 - The 1st place of each group will advance to the playoffs - Group play: Best of 3 (Best of 1 for deciding matches in case of similar scores) - Semifinals: Best of 5 - Finals: Best of 7
Dunno if the 5 bucks were really worth it, for a lot of the participants the top price is pretty meh compared to GSL and their past winnings (only 1.7k USD) and it's also online, I feel like the players just throw up a bunch of builds and hope for the best, not really wanting to reveal their best strategies. :/
Last week there were some good games, and some not very good games. Hoping it's better tomorrow. Huk played pretty well in code S (when he doesn't fall in his dark templar obsession :D), I think this group could be more open than it looks, even tho MVP is obviously the favorite. The best stuff would be a tie and a regame ^^ But at least I hope for good games.
Meh, ez group for MVP. I don't think DRG ever has a chance against MVP, his macro is not up to the level of MVP, and if you can't harass or abuse players like MVP, it's loss already. No hope for HuK, he's always so risky and nothing really special. Against either DRG or MVP, i don't think he could take a game off, or may be DRG though.
On September 24 2011 07:14 tuho12345 wrote: Meh, ez group for MVP. I don't think DRG ever has a chance against MVP, his macro is not up to the level of MVP, and if you can't harass or abuse players like MVP, it's loss already. No hope for HuK, he's always so risky and nothing really special. Against either DRG or MVP, i don't think he could take a game off, or may be DRG though.
I think DRG can beat MVP, he just needs to have some more careful decision making.
If anyone hasn't seen DRG's game versus IMHappy in the GSTL, you need to, it is a must-watch. It was quite simply the best-controlled ZvT I've ever seen, from DRG or anybody. Perfect timings, scary ling and muta harass with perfect control, great decision making, etc.
MVP, on the other hand, derailed DRG simply with a tough one-base siege timing that DRG clearly didn't anticipate. Want to see a more macro game this time, and I'm hoping for revenge.
After seeing a few Protoss heroes begin to surface, I would love to see HuK join them. Don't get left behind like MC, HuK! Stay relevant! <3<3<3<3 HuK fighting!
On September 24 2011 07:14 tuho12345 wrote: Meh, ez group for MVP. I don't think DRG ever has a chance against MVP, his macro is not up to the level of MVP, and if you can't harass or abuse players like MVP, it's loss already. No hope for HuK, he's always so risky and nothing really special. Against either DRG or MVP, i don't think he could take a game off, or may be DRG though.
If DRG doesn't have a chance against MVP, there is no Zerg in the world that has a chance against him. Doctor G has the best ZvT in the world. I've personally wanted to see a Bo3+ series between them for a while now.
On September 24 2011 07:18 Leporello wrote: If anyone hasn't seen DRG's game versus IMHappy in the GSTL, you need to, it is a must-watch. It was quite simply the best-controlled ZvT I've ever seen, from DRG or anybody. Perfect timings, scary ling and muta harass with perfect control, great decision making, etc.
MVP, on the other hand, derailed DRG simply with a tough one-base siege timing that DRG clearly didn't anticipate. Want to see a more macro game this time, and I'm hoping for revenge.
On September 24 2011 07:14 tuho12345 wrote: Meh, ez group for MVP. I don't think DRG ever has a chance against MVP, his macro is not up to the level of MVP, and if you can't harass or abuse players like MVP, it's loss already. No hope for HuK, he's always so risky and nothing really special. Against either DRG or MVP, i don't think he could take a game off, or may be DRG though.
If DRG doesn't have a chance against MVP, there is no Zerg in the world that has a chance against him. Doctor G has the best ZvT in the world. I've personally wanted to see a Bo3+ series between them for a while now.
We saw one at anaheim. Even though it was only 2-1 MVP absolutely destroyed him. The two games MVP won weren't close at all and the one he lost he was ahead and just had some sloppy decisions + dual sight.
On September 24 2011 07:14 tuho12345 wrote: Meh, ez group for MVP. I don't think DRG ever has a chance against MVP, his macro is not up to the level of MVP, and if you can't harass or abuse players like MVP, it's loss already. No hope for HuK, he's always so risky and nothing really special. Against either DRG or MVP, i don't think he could take a game off, or may be DRG though.
If DRG doesn't have a chance against MVP, there is no Zerg in the world that has a chance against him. Doctor G has the best ZvT in the world. I've personally wanted to see a Bo3+ series between them for a while now.
We saw one at anaheim. Even though it was only 2-1 MVP absolutely destroyed him. The two games MVP won weren't close at all and the one he lost he was ahead and just had some sloppy decisions + dual sight.
Ah, I had forgotten about that series to be honest. Still, DongRaeGu is a threat to MVP. HuK is completely out-classed here. MVP vs Doctor G will be the deciding match, as I would be extremely surprised if HuK managed to beat either of them.
EDIT: Anaheim was also a fairly long time ago (in SC2 terms)
On September 24 2011 07:14 tuho12345 wrote: Meh, ez group for MVP. I don't think DRG ever has a chance against MVP, his macro is not up to the level of MVP, and if you can't harass or abuse players like MVP, it's loss already. No hope for HuK, he's always so risky and nothing really special. Against either DRG or MVP, i don't think he could take a game off, or may be DRG though.
If DRG doesn't have a chance against MVP, there is no Zerg in the world that has a chance against him. Doctor G has the best ZvT in the world. I've personally wanted to see a Bo3+ series between them for a while now.
Let's be honest I don't think anyone has a chance lol.
Cannot wait for DRG vs MVP! I just know he has the capability to beat him, but mvp has the best tvz in the world, which has so far been able to beat the best zvt in the world.
On September 24 2011 07:18 Leporello wrote: If anyone hasn't seen DRG's game versus IMHappy in the GSTL, you need to, it is a must-watch. It was quite simply the best-controlled ZvT I've ever seen, from DRG or anybody. Perfect timings, scary ling and muta harass with perfect control, great decision making, etc.
MVP, on the other hand, derailed DRG simply with a tough one-base siege timing that DRG clearly didn't anticipate. Want to see a more macro game this time, and I'm hoping for revenge.
It wasn't a one base siege timing it was a 2 base wow I lost 10+ scvs all in counter
On September 24 2011 07:18 Leporello wrote: If anyone hasn't seen DRG's game versus IMHappy in the GSTL, you need to, it is a must-watch. It was quite simply the best-controlled ZvT I've ever seen, from DRG or anybody. Perfect timings, scary ling and muta harass with perfect control, great decision making, etc.
MVP, on the other hand, derailed DRG simply with a tough one-base siege timing that DRG clearly didn't anticipate. Want to see a more macro game this time, and I'm hoping for revenge.
It wasn't a one base siege timing it was a 2 base wow I lost 10+ scvs all in counter
How was that an all in in any way shape or form? Did he cut scvs? He had all his tech paths up and a lot of production facilities. Just because he killed DRG with the push doesn't make it an all in. He was definitely behind in economy after that but only because DRG decided to make mass drones over units to defend. If DRG had made units he holds but MVP turns around and the game goes on.
On September 24 2011 16:34 StimMarine wrote: OK guys I'm debating whether I should buy the premium ticket for AoL.... any honest opinions? Is it too late for it to be worth the money?
On September 24 2011 16:34 StimMarine wrote: OK guys I'm debating whether I should buy the premium ticket for AoL.... any honest opinions? Is it too late for it to be worth the money?
On September 24 2011 16:34 StimMarine wrote: OK guys I'm debating whether I should buy the premium ticket for AoL.... any honest opinions? Is it too late for it to be worth the money?
even just one day's games are worth the money imo. Plus, you get access to vods, i.e. watch the recommended games you missed
I just purchased a ticket when I saw the lineup today and it still won't let me watch even though it's in my purchase history.... anyone know what could be wrong?
I bought a ticket but it wont let me watch the stream because I need to buy a ticket, and when i go to buy another ticket it says I already have a ticket.........
On September 24 2011 17:07 B00ts wrote: Not even a contact or support page....
Try clearing your browser history and then logging back in.
I did that and still no dice. I go and try and purchase it again and it says "you have already purchased that ticket" but I still can't watch it. I've purchased about 5 other times through gomtv as well, pretty angry right now.
I bought the GOM ticket for 5 minutes ago, but when I try to watch it say I need to buy ticket. I check my account to make sure I bought it and I have certainly done so:
2011/09/24 Arena Of Legends Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99
Any idea what to do? Shall I keep buying until it works?
On September 24 2011 17:11 HowardRoark wrote: I bought the GOM ticket for 5 minutes ago, but when I try to watch it say I need to buy ticket. I check my account to make sure I bought it and I have certainly done so:
2011/09/24 Arena Of Legends Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99
Any idea what to do? Shall I keep buying until it works?
On September 24 2011 17:11 HowardRoark wrote: I bought the GOM ticket for 5 minutes ago, but when I try to watch it say I need to buy ticket. I check my account to make sure I bought it and I have certainly done so:
2011/09/24 Arena Of Legends Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99
Any idea what to do? Shall I keep buying until it works?
I bought mine 5 minutes ago and it worked instantly. You should contact GOM.
On September 24 2011 17:11 HowardRoark wrote: I bought the GOM ticket for 5 minutes ago, but when I try to watch it say I need to buy ticket. I check my account to make sure I bought it and I have certainly done so:
2011/09/24 Arena Of Legends Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99
Any idea what to do? Shall I keep buying until it works?
This may seem obvious; but did you refresh the LIVE page after buying before clicking again? I made that mistake ;-; Try relogging too!
On September 24 2011 17:11 HowardRoark wrote: I bought the GOM ticket for 5 minutes ago, but when I try to watch it say I need to buy ticket. I check my account to make sure I bought it and I have certainly done so:
2011/09/24 Arena Of Legends Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99
Any idea what to do? Shall I keep buying until it works?
Clear browser cache and login again. It worked for me last time I had that problem.
On September 24 2011 17:13 phupang wrote: i guess MVP just wanna relax a bit, it is just small money, let DRG win, when it come to the big tournament, he will activate his boss mode
people who say this make me lol. as if these pros wouldn't try their best in a tournament.
On September 24 2011 17:12 Likthor wrote: i paid for watching live, dont want to watch vod :/ angry angry
?? What do you mean? the games are being played live, just from their team houses, or homes. If you wanted the games to be played in the booth, then that's your fault for failing to read how the tournament was going to be played when you bought your pass.
On September 24 2011 17:22 SchfiftyFive wrote: i lost my wallet, not sure if it had 5 bux in it anyways, kinda wanted to see some huk games....that sux
Is the ticket for 4,99 suppose to give you the option to watch live and not only vods? When i try it says you need to buy a ticket, but when i try that it just say "you already purchased this ticket.
I mean common, 4.99 for half a season and i cant even watch today.
On September 24 2011 17:24 Turntablez wrote: Is the ticket for 4,99 suppose to give you the option to watch live and not only vods? When i try it says you need to buy a ticket, but when i try that it just say "you already purchased this ticket.
I mean common, 4.99 for half a season and i cant even watch today.
1 ticket for both live and vods for whole season of AoL. Try refreshing and/or relogging? Maybe clear your cookies?
On September 24 2011 17:21 Spades wrote: it will let me watch AOL vods, but i cant watch the stream...
Does it give you some kind of error? have you logged in and out from your account? Have you re-installed the gom player?
I've done all that and can watch the VODs but no livestream.
This is pretty huge fail... unless I get a refund gomtv won't be receiving my business any longer.
Well, i purchased the ticket pretty much when the first games started last week, and worked without any problems. Are you sure the payment is completed? Go to your account and "purchase history", do you have the ticket listed there?
On September 24 2011 17:24 Turntablez wrote: Is the ticket for 4,99 suppose to give you the option to watch live and not only vods? When i try it says you need to buy a ticket, but when i try that it just say "you already purchased this ticket.
I mean common, 4.99 for half a season and i cant even watch today.
1 ticket for both live and vods for whole season of AoL. Try refreshing and/or relogging? Maybe clear your cookies?
Ive relogged, ive cleared browser cache, ive tried 3 diffrent browsers, ive refreshed the page both with F5 and Ctrl F5, ive cleared my history and ive recieved a confirmation per mail the money has gone through.
On September 24 2011 17:21 Spades wrote: it will let me watch AOL vods, but i cant watch the stream...
Does it give you some kind of error? have you logged in and out from your account? Have you re-installed the gom player?
I've done all that and can watch the VODs but no livestream.
This is pretty huge fail... unless I get a refund gomtv won't be receiving my business any longer.
Well, i purchased the ticket pretty much when the first games started last week, and worked without any problems. Are you sure the payment is completed? Go to your account and "purchase history".
yes purchase completed, we all have same issue -.-
On September 24 2011 17:11 HowardRoark wrote: I bought the GOM ticket for 5 minutes ago, but when I try to watch it say I need to buy ticket. I check my account to make sure I bought it and I have certainly done so:
2011/09/24 Arena Of Legends Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99
Any idea what to do? Shall I keep buying until it works?
This may seem obvious; but did you refresh the LIVE page after buying before clicking again? I made that mistake ;-; Try relogging too!
Yes, I tried 3 browsers and 2 computers with different IP adresses. If I try to purchase again it say I already bought the ticket. I wanted dearly to watch DRG. How many matches have he left? Perhaps if I try to create a new account and buy another ticket, since I can't buy more tickets on this account since it say I bought it already.
On September 24 2011 17:21 Spades wrote: it will let me watch AOL vods, but i cant watch the stream...
Does it give you some kind of error? have you logged in and out from your account? Have you re-installed the gom player?
I've done all that and can watch the VODs but no livestream.
This is pretty huge fail... unless I get a refund gomtv won't be receiving my business any longer.
Well, i purchased the ticket pretty much when the first games started last week, and worked without any problems. Are you sure the payment is completed? Go to your account and "purchase history".
yes purchase completed, we all have same issue -.-
Then you should contact GOM instead. If nothing helps here, nothing else will.
I just bought my ticket, but I cant go to the life stream yet. Does someone know if there is a delay in buying the ticket and being able to use the ticket? Thanks
On September 24 2011 17:28 Deckkie wrote: I just bought my ticket, but I cant go to the life stream yet. Does someone know if there is a delay in buying the ticket and being able to use the ticket? Thanks
On September 24 2011 17:21 Spades wrote: it will let me watch AOL vods, but i cant watch the stream...
Does it give you some kind of error? have you logged in and out from your account? Have you re-installed the gom player?
I've done all that and can watch the VODs but no livestream.
This is pretty huge fail... unless I get a refund gomtv won't be receiving my business any longer.
Well, i purchased the ticket pretty much when the first games started last week, and worked without any problems. Are you sure the payment is completed? Go to your account and "purchase history", do you have the ticket listed there?
I've pretty much tried anything except reformatting my hard drive at this point.
On September 24 2011 17:21 Spades wrote: it will let me watch AOL vods, but i cant watch the stream...
Does it give you some kind of error? have you logged in and out from your account? Have you re-installed the gom player?
I've done all that and can watch the VODs but no livestream.
This is pretty huge fail... unless I get a refund gomtv won't be receiving my business any longer.
Well, i purchased the ticket pretty much when the first games started last week, and worked without any problems. Are you sure the payment is completed? Go to your account and "purchase history", do you have the ticket listed there?
I've pretty much tried anything except reformatting my hard drive at this point.
Well, sadly, that won't help. I'ts on GOM's end and you can't do anything else. Contact them instead.
On September 24 2011 17:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote: Any mistakes someone saw in MVP's play?
only thing i felt mvp could do better was to push earlier so DRG would have to use gas for banelings instead of tech. But yeah DRG shows ultralisks aren't such a pathetic units after all lol.
On September 24 2011 17:21 Spades wrote: it will let me watch AOL vods, but i cant watch the stream...
Does it give you some kind of error? have you logged in and out from your account? Have you re-installed the gom player?
I've done all that and can watch the VODs but no livestream.
This is pretty huge fail... unless I get a refund gomtv won't be receiving my business any longer.
Well, i purchased the ticket pretty much when the first games started last week, and worked without any problems. Are you sure the payment is completed? Go to your account and "purchase history", do you have the ticket listed there?
I've pretty much tried anything except reformatting my hard drive at this point.
Well, sadly, that won't help. I'ts on GOM's end and you can't do anything else. Contact them instead.
Yea i know, the point is I've tried anything that could actually help, lol
can we suggest something to GOM ? its not like we like the free stream, i've paid for alot of tickets, but can we have 300kpbs stream ? my connection can't make it during live =(
On September 24 2011 17:36 Buff345 wrote: anyone mind actually doing a live report considering alot of us cant actually watch it
HuK goes 1 gate, robo against 3 rax supply drop all-in that hit when HuK's stalker was on the other side of the map. Huk had 1 sentry at the top of his ramp and it dies to 6-7 marines and four scvs without getting off a Force Field.
I have been watching Huks stream a lot and it is obvious his pvt is struggling(like everyones) but his pvz has looked wtfpwn good so his match vs DRG will hopefully be really good.
On September 24 2011 17:36 Buff345 wrote: anyone mind actually doing a live report considering alot of us cant actually watch it
HuK goes 1 gate, robo against 3 rax supply drop all-in that hit when HuK's stalker was on the other side of the map. Huk had 1 sentry at the top of his ramp and it dies to 6-7 marines and four scvs without getting off a Force Field.
On September 24 2011 17:37 Carny wrote: What? I went to toilet and when i came back it was already over. Can someone explain what happened?
MVP made 3-rax all in with supply drop (instead of mule), which allows to continue very early production for the marine rush. He also sent a few SCVs, so he had a dozen units vs almost none yet by Huk. Quick gg, no need even for bunkers.
It was a map-specific rush. He built 2 rax hidden in the smoke corner, and then moved them down over the ledge to pump marines directly in Huk's direction, instead of first going through the main.
Hope all have a good day, me myself woke up, payed 4.99 to get to spam Ctrl F5 and watch nothing, and typical scam companies doesnt have an "direct source" to contact them on, you must first go through 20 pages of FAQ/ReadMe's.
On September 24 2011 17:37 Onox wrote: That was so bad by huk, missing the forcefield rofl
YOU COULD DO SO MUCH BETTER
Tbf I think a lot of people could have landed that FF in the amount of time he had.
HuK was made to believe that his stalker was seeing the start of the attack with his stalker (which was met with another group of marines and scvs), the last thing he expects is another group of marines and scvs already walking up his ramp
On September 24 2011 17:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote: Any mistakes someone saw in MVP's play?
He misread DRGs tech I think. He was making vikings and no ghosts when there was no broods incoming.
How many vikings did he make?
just a pair i think, not including the one that got killed by the first flock of mutas
Then, I think it came down to his first attack being fairly ineffective which ultimately slowed down his 3 siege tank timing but gave him no early eco advantage for it to work like it should.
On September 24 2011 17:31 Brutus wrote: I'm just sad that MVP did that proxy rax the first game. I really wanted to see at least 2 solid games.
DRG probably would have won on Dual Sight, MVP hates that map and DRG loves it haha.
MLG MVP 2:1 DRG GSTL MVP 1:0 DRG AoL MVP 0:2 DRG
they are even!
AoL isn't even close to be considered as important as MLG or GSTL
who cares, i guarantee MVP is still trying. i'm a huge MVP fan but dont think he wasn't trying against DRG just because AoL has a smaller prize pool.
i guarantee Mvp doesn't give much of a shit, just look at all these terrible cheeses & all-ins he's doing
i guarantee you otherwise. stop being a fanboy. DRG outplayed him.
Yeah DRG outplayed him that game. Still feels like MVP could have at least taken a game in a BO3 based on their previous record, no need to do that cheese.
On September 24 2011 17:39 sinkan wrote: First time I hear about the supplydrop thing what is it?
Like.. the mechanic itself or the cheese build?
The mechanic
You drop an supply depot ontop of another supply depot, making it worth 2 depots. Mules gives more money which is why its not really seen beyond supply blocks
Huk at 8 MvP at 2 on Tal'Darim. MvP goes 1 racks expo and builds two extra barracks, building primarily Marauders and has concussive. Huk goes for 1 gate expo and then builds 4 extra gates.
On September 24 2011 17:43 justinpal wrote: Okay let's try my random live report effort here:
5:30
Huk at 8 MvP at 2 on Tal'Darim. MvP goes 1 racks expo and builds two extra barracks, building primarily Marauders and has concussive. Huk goes for 1 gate expo and then builds 4 extra gates.
7:00
HuK tries to build a forward pylon sends three stalkers to mvps base. He loses a stalker and the probe without building the pylon to 5 rauders and 4 marines.
On September 24 2011 17:36 CanucksJC wrote: Lol Huk so terrible.
bAN BAN BAN BAN
but srsly wtf don't troll bro code s protoss
That was not Code S-esque reaction time... My grandma could have forcefielded that ramp roflmao.
mistakes happen go away troll
I'm just stating what I saw in that game. Isn't that what this thread is for? MVP made marines and scvs then attacked up the ramp while Huk sat there doing nothing apparently. How is that trolling?
On September 24 2011 17:43 justinpal wrote: Okay let's try my random live report effort here:
5:30
Huk at 8 MvP at 2 on Tal'Darim. MvP goes 1 racks expo and builds two extra barracks, building primarily Marauders and has concussive. Huk goes for 1 gate expo and then builds 4 extra gates.
7:00
HuK tries to build a forward pylon sends three stalkers to mvps base. He loses a stalker and the probe without building the pylon to 5 rauders and 4 marines.
9:30
HuK puts up a robo and twilight council, puts up all four gases and has 4 sentries and 2-3 stalkers. MvP putting up his starport and moves across the map with like 10 marauders and 10 marines and is timing it with combat shields and +1 attack.
Can "my favourite player only lost because he obviously doesn't care about this silly little tournament and its multi-thousand-dollar prize pool" be bannable, please?
On September 24 2011 17:43 justinpal wrote: Okay let's try my random live report effort here:
5:30
Huk at 8 MvP at 2 on Tal'Darim. MvP goes 1 racks expo and builds two extra barracks, building primarily Marauders and has concussive. Huk goes for 1 gate expo and then builds 4 extra gates.
7:00
HuK tries to build a forward pylon sends three stalkers to mvps base. He loses a stalker and the probe without building the pylon to 5 rauders and 4 marines.
9:30
HuK puts up a robo and twilight council, puts up all four gases and has 4 sentries and 2-3 stalkers. MvP putting up his starport and moves across the map with like 10 marauders and 10 marines and is timing it with combat shields and +1 attack.
10:45
HuK throws up very good forcefields and warps in primarily stalkers and holds back mvps army and damages them with his blink stalkers. He pushes out against MVPs army and they trade almost evenly.
Huk has two forward pylons and is putting on a lot of pressure with 15 stalkers and 5 zealots. MvP only has 1 bunker!
On September 24 2011 17:47 Severian wrote: Can "my favourite player only lost because he obviously doesn't care about this silly little tournament and its multi-thousand-dollar prize pool" be bannable, please?
On September 24 2011 17:47 Severian wrote: Can "my favourite player only lost because he obviously doesn't care about this silly little tournament and its multi-thousand-dollar prize pool" be bannable, please?
There isn't much banning in these threads, so don't be waiting for it.
On September 24 2011 17:39 sinkan wrote: First time I hear about the supplydrop thing what is it?
Like.. the mechanic itself or the cheese build?
The mechanic
You drop an supply depot ontop of another supply depot, making it worth 2 depots. Mules gives more money which is why its not really seen beyond supply blocks
Does it give more supply or does it give u minerals?
On September 24 2011 17:39 sinkan wrote: First time I hear about the supplydrop thing what is it?
Like.. the mechanic itself or the cheese build?
The mechanic
You drop an supply depot ontop of another supply depot, making it worth 2 depots. Mules gives more money which is why its not really seen beyond supply blocks
Does it give more supply or does it give u minerals?
it gives 8 supply. a mule is the one that gives minerals
On September 24 2011 17:43 justinpal wrote: Okay let's try my random live report effort here:
5:30
Huk at 8 MvP at 2 on Tal'Darim. MvP goes 1 racks expo and builds two extra barracks, building primarily Marauders and has concussive. Huk goes for 1 gate expo and then builds 4 extra gates.
7:00
HuK tries to build a forward pylon sends three stalkers to mvps base. He loses a stalker and the probe without building the pylon to 5 rauders and 4 marines.
9:30
HuK puts up a robo and twilight council, puts up all four gases and has 4 sentries and 2-3 stalkers. MvP putting up his starport and moves across the map with like 10 marauders and 10 marines and is timing it with combat shields and +1 attack.
10:45
HuK throws up very good forcefields and warps in primarily stalkers and holds back mvps army and damages them with his blink stalkers. He pushes out against MVPs army and they trade almost evenly.
Huk has two forward pylons and is putting on a lot of pressure with 15 stalkers and 5 zealots. MvP only has 1 bunker!
13:00
HuK uses blink micro to kill off the bunker and a ton of scvs. MVP is forced to pull his entire scv force and is using those to defend! MvP only has 7 marauders and 7 marines. Huk takes a third ( at 6 oclock.) while engaging allll the scvs + M and M!
mvp down to MULES and 20 SCVs. Mvp puts up two bunkers and huk retreats.
Wtf, when i go to gomtv's live page, i only see the 2 buttons for premium service, the buttons for free isn't there? Why is this so!? I wanna watch the AoL!
Bought the ticket for AoL (twice actually, on two different accounts cuz I didn't have access to the email of the first one), and it still won't let me watch the stream, it keeps asking me to purchase the season ticket. I've been trying to watch it for the last hour now and this keeps happening. Is this happening to anyone else and if so, is there a solution? Thanks
On September 24 2011 17:43 justinpal wrote: Okay let's try my random live report effort here:
5:30
Huk at 8 MvP at 2 on Tal'Darim. MvP goes 1 racks expo and builds two extra barracks, building primarily Marauders and has concussive. Huk goes for 1 gate expo and then builds 4 extra gates.
7:00
HuK tries to build a forward pylon sends three stalkers to mvps base. He loses a stalker and the probe without building the pylon to 5 rauders and 4 marines.
9:30
HuK puts up a robo and twilight council, puts up all four gases and has 4 sentries and 2-3 stalkers. MvP putting up his starport and moves across the map with like 10 marauders and 10 marines and is timing it with combat shields and +1 attack.
10:45
HuK throws up very good forcefields and warps in primarily stalkers and holds back mvps army and damages them with his blink stalkers. He pushes out against MVPs army and they trade almost evenly.
Huk has two forward pylons and is putting on a lot of pressure with 15 stalkers and 5 zealots. MvP only has 1 bunker!
13:00
HuK uses blink micro to kill off the bunker and a ton of scvs. MVP is forced to pull his entire scv force and is using those to defend! MvP only has 7 marauders and 7 marines. Huk takes a third ( at 6 oclock.) while engaging allll the scvs + M and M!
mvp down to MULES and 20 SCVs. Mvp puts up two bunkers and huk retreats.
16:30
MVP has 17 rauders 23 marines, 4 medivacs salvages bunkers and moves out! His units are +1/+1 vs 0/0 of huk. Huk retreats to his natural ramp and uses charge zealots. Throws up very obstructive forcefields for his zealots and loses a ton of zealots. Backs up and throws up more forcefields and his zealots go crazy trying to kill the units, which they fail to do and he loses nearly all of them.
On September 24 2011 17:51 Mios wrote: Bought the ticket for AoL (twice actually, on two different accounts cuz I didn't have access to the email of the first one), and it still won't let me watch the stream, it keeps asking me to purchase the season ticket. I've been trying to watch it for the last hour now and this keeps happening. Is this happening to anyone else and if so, is there a solution? Thanks
its happening to alot of people. not sure of a solution
Stop the balance whine, huk didn't bother to get any AOE, if he managed to get a templar archives + storm during the period he was pushing, he would have stopped MVPs push easy peasy.
On September 24 2011 17:52 MrProb wrote: what the hell ???????????????????????????????????
how could MVP come back from that ? seriously ?
Race 80 / skill 20 i'd say
More like Huk got a ton of blink stalkers killed by a big scv + bio ball and then misplaced his forcefields when MVP went for a counter attack and died as a result.
On September 24 2011 17:50 sGDaevil wrote: Wtf, when i go to gomtv's live page, i only see the 2 buttons for premium service, the buttons for free isn't there? Why is this so!? I wanna watch the AoL!
They must have gotten rid of free streaming. Teamliquid really should stop advertising their Pay Per View only service.
Anyone have a restream available, since they are only doing pay per view now?
On September 24 2011 17:52 xccam wrote: terran is a fucking stupid broken race.
really man? The best terran in the world vs eghuk... and you make this balance statement -_-
and the forcefield work against huk huk is basically throwing zealots for free, and those marauders can still hit the stalkers just fine if they come closer
Huk position in battle was mediocre, and he did not get any higher tech, I think he should have invest in more higher tech instead of taking the expansion.
On September 24 2011 17:50 sGDaevil wrote: Wtf, when i go to gomtv's live page, i only see the 2 buttons for premium service, the buttons for free isn't there? Why is this so!? I wanna watch the AoL!
They must have gotten rid of free streaming. Teamliquid really should stop advertising their Pay Per View only service.
Anyone have a restream available, since they are only doing pay per view now?
Only the Arena of Legends is pay to view. Restreams are not allowed on TL.
On September 24 2011 17:50 sGDaevil wrote: Wtf, when i go to gomtv's live page, i only see the 2 buttons for premium service, the buttons for free isn't there? Why is this so!? I wanna watch the AoL!
They must have gotten rid of free streaming. Teamliquid really should stop advertising their Pay Per View only service.
Anyone have a restream available, since they are only doing pay per view now?
On September 24 2011 17:53 justinpal wrote: DRG vs HuK Terminus!?!!?
DRG up in 9 oclock vs Huk in the 6 oclock. DRG doesn't build any drones and it looks like a 6 poooool.
1:50
Pool finishes and DRG scouts out Huk and builds 6 zerglings and Huk scouts the wrong way. He doesn't even see the zerglings incoming?? HuK doesn't set up a wall.
On September 24 2011 17:45 orZ5 wrote: mod edit: illegal restream.
User was temp banned for this post.
Funny, I remember there being GSL restreams listed on TeamLiquid for quite a while without mod intervention.
1. GSL streams are free when LIVE 2. After GomTV requested that restream links be removed, TL complied. 3. Since lists are better in three, don't make stupid statements if you don't know what you're talking about.
Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
On September 24 2011 17:53 justinpal wrote: DRG vs HuK Terminus!?!!?
DRG up in 9 oclock vs Huk in the 6 oclock. DRG doesn't build any drones and it looks like a 6 poooool.
1:50
Pool finishes and DRG scouts out Huk and builds 6 zerglings and Huk scouts the wrong way. He doesn't even see the zerglings incoming?? HuK doesn't set up a wall.
3:00
More zerglings come in cannon forced to cancel...no wall built and probes vs zerglings! DRG does some fancy micro against the probes and there is nothing Huk can do at this point.
On September 24 2011 17:54 CoolSea wrote: Ive seen July 6 pool on this map before. I wonder if its some sort of metagame thing on this map, since protoss won't expect it.
early pools are fairly common on maps where Protoss will look to FFE, or maybe even Nexus first. At the worst (presuming they do go forge) you can usually deny the natural for a while and get yourself back onto level terms.
On September 24 2011 17:50 sGDaevil wrote: Wtf, when i go to gomtv's live page, i only see the 2 buttons for premium service, the buttons for free isn't there? Why is this so!? I wanna watch the AoL!
They must have gotten rid of free streaming. Teamliquid really should stop advertising their Pay Per View only service.
Anyone have a restream available, since they are only doing pay per view now?
its only AoL that is paid viewing... and it is basically just bonus content with a smallish prize pool.. i dont see the problem with it ?
Why didn't Huk build his 2nd pylon by his nexus? Isn't that pretty standard? You build your first pylon on the low ground + a forge and a pylon by the nexus so if I 6 pool comes you mineral walk until a cannon is up. Why didn't he do that?
On September 24 2011 17:53 justinpal wrote: DRG vs HuK Terminus!?!!?
DRG up in 9 oclock vs Huk in the 6 oclock. DRG doesn't build any drones and it looks like a 6 poooool.
1:50
Pool finishes and DRG scouts out Huk and builds 6 zerglings and Huk scouts the wrong way. He doesn't even see the zerglings incoming?? HuK doesn't set up a wall.
3:00
More zerglings come in cannon forced to cancel...no wall built and probes vs zerglings! DRG does some fancy micro against the probes and there is nothing Huk can do at this point.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
Feel sad for Huk who´s trying to play macro-games. Can´t help but think he should be more careful though, this AoL clearly brings forth some of the darker sides in the players...
On September 24 2011 17:54 Yokoblue wrote: Just bought a ticket ... and it doesnt work.... makes me sick...
What doesn't work exactly? Try to fix it before you complain
I complain because i tried 3 different browser, and I see the ticket in my account... and i listened to GSTL and GSL yesterday so the player works fine...
On September 24 2011 17:58 PapaJed wrote: Feel sad for Huk who´s trying to play macro-games. Can´t help but think he should be more careful though, this AoL clearly brings forth some of the darker sides in the players...
Don't feel sad, he's playing risky and bad. This is a small tourney so I can understand why he's not putting a lot of effort in.
On September 24 2011 17:54 Yokoblue wrote: Just bought a ticket ... and it doesnt work.... makes me sick...
What doesn't work exactly? Try to fix it before you complain
I complain because i tried 3 different browser, and I see the ticket in my account... and i listened to GSTL and GSL yesterday so the player works fine...
Try gomstreamer, or maybe the ticket takes a little while to process. Log out and back in again, all of that stuff. If not, chase down GOM support.
6 figure..cough..I mean 6 pool is really good against toss. Everytime a top zerg does something like that better off laddering as terran for a few days.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
User was warned for this post
Lol as if protoss can't chronoboost multiple warpgates and zergs can't pool larva? It's not an advantage if you use it later than constantly, like what the hell is that logic?
On September 24 2011 17:36 CanucksJC wrote: Lol Huk so terrible.
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but srsly wtf don't troll bro code s protoss
That was not Code S-esque reaction time... My grandma could have forcefielded that ramp roflmao.
mistakes happen go away troll
I'm just stating what I saw in that game. Isn't that what this thread is for? MVP made marines and scvs then attacked up the ramp while Huk sat there doing nothing apparently. How is that trolling?
--Forgot to hit post Stop arguing with CanucksJC he's right. Huk has been complacent lately and he needs to sort his shit out.
On September 24 2011 17:58 justinpal wrote: Huk vs DRG GAME #2 MAP: Crossfire
DRG spawns in top right and Huk is in the bottom left. No six pool this game, DRG goes 9 OL .
2:45
Huk scouts after pylon this game, DRG does 14 pool 14 hatch. Huk goes 15 gate 15 assimilator.
4:00
Metabolic boost is upgraded immediately after pool finishes, 1 drone is left on gas, there are 6 lings made and a queen. DRG expands at 21 supply.
Huk has yet to expand and only has 1 zealot 1 sentry and 23 probes.
5:30
Huk throws up a nexus.
DRG sees the 1 gate expand with 6 zerglings vs 1 zealot, and 2 sentries. Throws up a decent forcefield and throws up 3 more gates and forge after expo.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
User was warned for this post
Terran has forgiving macro mechanics, but unforgiving production mechanics (if you miss an unit it's a lost unit) Zerg has unforgiving macro mechanics, but a forgiving production mechanic (larva just pile up) Protoss has a big blue flashing icon when it's time to produce a unit xD
On September 24 2011 17:58 PapaJed wrote: Feel sad for Huk who´s trying to play macro-games. Can´t help but think he should be more careful though, this AoL clearly brings forth some of the darker sides in the players...
Don't feel sad, he's playing risky and bad. This is a small tourney so I can understand why he's not putting a lot of effort in.
Yea, you´re right. Can never blame cheese success on the cheeser, that´s the rule I keep for myself so I don´t get too angry on the ladder :-) Still think he´s really trying though, but wasn´t really prepared on all the inc cheese
On September 24 2011 17:59 Loomies wrote: DRG has no respect for his opponent..6 pooling :/
That's a bit silly, it's been proven to be a good opening in ZvP on Terminus.
Yeah, every time on ladder I get TDA I consider 6 pooling. It's a big map. A lot of people go forge or nexus first. 6 pool is as viable as a fast third.
On September 24 2011 17:58 justinpal wrote: Huk vs DRG GAME #2 MAP: Crossfire
DRG spawns in top right and Huk is in the bottom left. No six pool this game, DRG goes 9 OL .
2:45
Huk scouts after pylon this game, DRG does 14 pool 14 hatch. Huk goes 15 gate 15 assimilator.
4:00
Metabolic boost is upgraded immediately after pool finishes, 1 drone is left on gas, there are 6 lings made and a queen. DRG expands at 21 supply.
Huk has yet to expand and only has 1 zealot 1 sentry and 23 probes.
5:30
Huk throws up a nexus.
DRG sees the 1 gate expand with 6 zerglings vs 1 zealot, and 2 sentries. Throws up a decent forcefield and throws up 3 more gates and forge after expo.
7:00
DRG pools 10 larva and makes a roach warren. Then makes 10 roaches........................and moves out.
On September 24 2011 17:58 justinpal wrote: Huk vs DRG GAME #2 MAP: Crossfire
DRG spawns in top right and Huk is in the bottom left. No six pool this game, DRG goes 9 OL .
2:45
Huk scouts after pylon this game, DRG does 14 pool 14 hatch. Huk goes 15 gate 15 assimilator.
4:00
Metabolic boost is upgraded immediately after pool finishes, 1 drone is left on gas, there are 6 lings made and a queen. DRG expands at 21 supply.
Huk has yet to expand and only has 1 zealot 1 sentry and 23 probes.
5:30
Huk throws up a nexus.
DRG sees the 1 gate expand with 6 zerglings vs 1 zealot, and 2 sentries. Throws up a decent forcefield and throws up 3 more gates and forge after expo.
7:00
DRG pools 10 larva and makes a roach warren. Then makes 10 roaches........................and moves out.
9:00
Huk has 4 stalkers 5 sentries, no cannons and 10 roaches show up. Huk has no wall at all at expo. 18 Zerglings made and sent with all the roaches. More stalkers warped in. Forcefields are slightly ineffective. Huk pulls probes and HOLDS. Losing 7 probes, but retains 9 stalkers and 2 sentries.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
On September 24 2011 17:58 justinpal wrote: Huk vs DRG GAME #2 MAP: Crossfire
DRG spawns in top right and Huk is in the bottom left. No six pool this game, DRG goes 9 OL .
2:45
Huk scouts after pylon this game, DRG does 14 pool 14 hatch. Huk goes 15 gate 15 assimilator.
4:00
Metabolic boost is upgraded immediately after pool finishes, 1 drone is left on gas, there are 6 lings made and a queen. DRG expands at 21 supply.
Huk has yet to expand and only has 1 zealot 1 sentry and 23 probes.
5:30
Huk throws up a nexus.
DRG sees the 1 gate expand with 6 zerglings vs 1 zealot, and 2 sentries. Throws up a decent forcefield and throws up 3 more gates and forge after expo.
7:00
DRG pools 10 larva and makes a roach warren. Then makes 10 roaches........................and moves out.
9:00
Huk has 4 stalkers 5 sentries, no cannons and 10 roaches show up. Huk has no wall at all at expo. 18 Zerglings made and sent with all the roaches. More stalkers warped in. Forcefields are slightly ineffective. Huk pulls probes and HOLDS. Losing 7 probes, but retains 9 stalkers and 2 sentries.
10:30
DRG lost all but 4 roaches and has to back off with roughly 16-20 zerglings. He throws up a macro hatch a third base and a macro hatch as huk moves across with a strong force.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
That doesn't prove it was better saving energy... for all you know if he used his mules earlier, he might have held the push with greater ease.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
...how does that make any sense. You still end up with the same amount of money (probably less since earlier mule -> more worker produced). You would get a burst of income later if you saved mules, but it just means you've spent less up front and have less unit/upgrades/eco.
On September 24 2011 18:06 PapaJed wrote: First game DRG-MVP was so great. A must -see for all Z out there. (I kinda felt pain though cause I play T ;-)
On September 24 2011 17:58 justinpal wrote: Huk vs DRG GAME #2 MAP: Crossfire
DRG spawns in top right and Huk is in the bottom left. No six pool this game, DRG goes 9 OL .
2:45
Huk scouts after pylon this game, DRG does 14 pool 14 hatch. Huk goes 15 gate 15 assimilator.
4:00
Metabolic boost is upgraded immediately after pool finishes, 1 drone is left on gas, there are 6 lings made and a queen. DRG expands at 21 supply.
Huk has yet to expand and only has 1 zealot 1 sentry and 23 probes.
5:30
Huk throws up a nexus.
DRG sees the 1 gate expand with 6 zerglings vs 1 zealot, and 2 sentries. Throws up a decent forcefield and throws up 3 more gates and forge after expo.
7:00
DRG pools 10 larva and makes a roach warren. Then makes 10 roaches........................and moves out.
9:00
Huk has 4 stalkers 5 sentries, no cannons and 10 roaches show up. Huk has no wall at all at expo. 18 Zerglings made and sent with all the roaches. More stalkers warped in. Forcefields are slightly ineffective. Huk pulls probes and HOLDS. Losing 7 probes, but retains 9 stalkers and 2 sentries.
10:30
DRG lost all but 4 roaches and has to back off with roughly 16-20 zerglings. He throws up a macro hatch a third base and a macro hatch as huk moves across with a strong force.
14:00
DRG counter attacks as huk walks into spine crawlers with 5 sentries and 10 stalkers. Huk holds off the counter with a zealot warp in and cannons. Huk forces DRG to pull drones and kills off the spine crawler.
Roach speed finishes and 7 roaches resist against the 12 stalkers. Huk upgrading +1 attack and making an immortal! DRG has no drones at his natural. Huk makes a forward pylon and microing against just roaches and zerglings.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
That doesn't prove it was better saving energy... for all you know if he used his mules earlier, he might have held the push with greater ease.
The point is that, even if he made the mistake of forgetting to drop mules because of Huk's pressure, why should he be awarded by being able to drop up to 8 mules at a time from 2 full energy command center's. ALSO, if you don't drop mules, it doesn't automatically put you behind on econ, rather, mules always puts you ahead on it against other races (on even bases with a similar amount of workers)
On September 24 2011 17:58 justinpal wrote: Huk vs DRG GAME #2 MAP: Crossfire
DRG spawns in top right and Huk is in the bottom left. No six pool this game, DRG goes 9 OL .
2:45
Huk scouts after pylon this game, DRG does 14 pool 14 hatch. Huk goes 15 gate 15 assimilator.
4:00
Metabolic boost is upgraded immediately after pool finishes, 1 drone is left on gas, there are 6 lings made and a queen. DRG expands at 21 supply.
Huk has yet to expand and only has 1 zealot 1 sentry and 23 probes.
5:30
Huk throws up a nexus.
DRG sees the 1 gate expand with 6 zerglings vs 1 zealot, and 2 sentries. Throws up a decent forcefield and throws up 3 more gates and forge after expo.
7:00
DRG pools 10 larva and makes a roach warren. Then makes 10 roaches........................and moves out.
9:00
Huk has 4 stalkers 5 sentries, no cannons and 10 roaches show up. Huk has no wall at all at expo. 18 Zerglings made and sent with all the roaches. More stalkers warped in. Forcefields are slightly ineffective. Huk pulls probes and HOLDS. Losing 7 probes, but retains 9 stalkers and 2 sentries.
10:30
DRG lost all but 4 roaches and has to back off with roughly 16-20 zerglings. He throws up a macro hatch a third base and a macro hatch as huk moves across with a strong force.
14:00
DRG counter attacks as huk walks into spine crawlers with 5 sentries and 10 stalkers. Huk holds off the counter with a zealot warp in and cannons. Huk forces DRG to pull drones and kills off the spine crawler.
Roach speed finishes and 7 roaches resist against the 12 stalkers. Huk upgrading +1 attack and making an immortal! DRG has no drones at his natural. Huk makes a forward pylon and microing against just roaches and zerglings.
Edit: 16:00
48 probes vs 20-something drones. However, DRG GGs once Huk shows the immortal and +1 finishes.
On September 24 2011 18:06 PapaJed wrote: First game DRG-MVP was so great. A must -see for all Z out there. (I kinda felt pain though cause I play T ;-)
i think you mean 2nd game, first game was terrible.
On September 24 2011 18:06 PapaJed wrote: First game DRG-MVP was so great. A must -see for all Z out there. (I kinda felt pain though cause I play T ;-)
you mean 2nd game right? haha
oh yea sry!! I mean second game!!! first wasnt so great hehe
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
That doesn't prove it was better saving energy... for all you know if he used his mules earlier, he might have held the push with greater ease.
This is a pretty dumb conversation.
Use mules earlier : get choice of spending minerals earlier (and having a higher/consistent production rate)or banking them and using them later
Bank mules: no choice, must use minerals later in a burst of production that is unsustainable
There is never any gain from banking energy on an OC unless you need scans or supply drops, or you're going to take a gold before your OC reaches 200.
Didn't really like DRG's decision to all in. Thought that kind of roach/ling timing had been figured out a while back, especially when going 1gate expo rather than the old 3gate?
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
That doesn't prove it was better saving energy... for all you know if he used his mules earlier, he might have held the push with greater ease.
The point is that, even if he made the mistake of forgetting to drop mules because of Huk's pressure, why should he be awarded by being able to drop up to 8 mules at a time from 2 full energy command center's. ALSO, if you don't drop mules, it doesn't automatically put you behind on econ, rather, mules always puts you ahead on it against other races (on even bases with a similar amount of workers)
So the fact that protoss and zerg can make workers faster goes missing through your head?
On September 24 2011 18:09 Asha` wrote: Didn't really like DRG's decision to all in. Thought that kind of roach/ling timing had been figured out a while back, especially when going 1gate expo rather than the old 3gate?
yeah it's only really good against 3gate expo, his macro was also pretty slow since he expanded at 22 after 6 lings and he didnt take the 3rd during the attack and then didnt make enough spines after seeing a ton of units from HuK and even droned during the attack.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
That doesn't prove it was better saving energy... for all you know if he used his mules earlier, he might have held the push with greater ease.
The point is that, even if he made the mistake of forgetting to drop mules because of Huk's pressure, why should he be awarded by being able to drop up to 8 mules at a time from 2 full energy command center's. ALSO, if you don't drop mules, it doesn't automatically put you behind on econ, rather, mules always puts you ahead on it against other races (on even bases with a similar amount of workers)
Dude, stop arguing, you're so wrong. Protoss and zerg should ALWAYS have more workers than terran because of the way mechanics work. Terrans don't have an innate eco advantage if you play through a normal game.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
On September 24 2011 17:56 theOnslaught wrote: Sooooooo many things would get solved if terrans could only have 1 mule active per command center at a time... i really dont get why terrans are the only race that dont get punished for not using the energy off their macro mechanics...
Basically, as terran unless you don't use your energy after 200 energy, you can save it as much as you want, use it and get an unfair advantage with the mules.
Yeah but if u dun use your energy before 200 energy, it means your opponent has a huge econ lead ahead of you. Huk had smth like 42 probes to MVPs 33 or smth at 1 point, thats what chronoboost does for you.
au contraire, there are points in the game as terran, where you're better off saving your energy... it was just proven by mvp when he had like 5 mules total at the same time, in that blinkgame vs huk after he was down to 20 scv's.
That doesn't prove it was better saving energy... for all you know if he used his mules earlier, he might have held the push with greater ease.
The point is that, even if he made the mistake of forgetting to drop mules because of Huk's pressure, why should he be awarded by being able to drop up to 8 mules at a time from 2 full energy command center's. ALSO, if you don't drop mules, it doesn't automatically put you behind on econ, rather, mules always puts you ahead on it against other races (on even bases with a similar amount of workers)
So the fact that protoss and zerg can make workers faster goes missing through your head?
How would you feel if zerg was able to spam as much larvae injects on a hatcherie as long as it had the energy to do so?. How would you feel if the chrono boost had the ability to stack, so you could make it "EVEN FASTER". Gaining 270 minerals extra per minute, specially considering you can still use those mineral patches with regular SCV's, make it a good enough advantage, just as good as zerg / protoss mechanics., and pretty unpunished.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
8:00
The DT is stuffed as DRG built a spore crawler and surrounded the DT before it even gets to the mineral line. Huk throws up another nexus and is behind in supply 65 to 48.
That was just flat out choking. I've decided. Huk is on tilt for some reason. Goes DTs which almost never work and then lets a nexus finish for no reason.
On September 24 2011 18:13 Asha` wrote: DRG should probably know that Huk always loves to coinflip some DT's under pressure.
yeah that or 6gate, it's been twice already that I said "ooh g3 in this bo3 I think he's gonna DT rush" and that's exactly what happens. Dunno why he tries to rely on luck in high pressure situations, he's showed some pretty clutch play in the past.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
8:00
The DT is stuffed as DRG built a spore crawler and surrounded the DT before it even gets to the mineral line. Huk throws up another nexus and is behind in supply 65 to 48.
11:00
Huk starts up blink and DRG is throwing up burrow +2 melee attacks and more and more zerglings as well as infestation pit. Huk trades 2-3 stalkers for a tonnnnnnn of zerglings.
On September 24 2011 18:13 Asha` wrote: DRG should probably know that Huk always loves to coinflip some DT's under pressure.
yeah that or 6gate, it's been twice already that I said "ooh g3 in this bo3 I think he's gonna DT rush" and that's exactly what happens. Dunno why he tries to rely on luck in high pressure situations, he's showed some pretty clutch play in the past.
Yeah, I hate when protoss play like that. In his games against nada he's clearly shown good macro dunno why he doesn't try to play it like that.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
8:00
The DT is stuffed as DRG built a spore crawler and surrounded the DT before it even gets to the mineral line. Huk throws up another nexus and is behind in supply 65 to 48.
11:00
Huk starts up blink and DRG is throwing up burrow +2 melee attacks and more and more zerglings as well as infestation pit. Huk trades 2-3 stalkers for a tonnnnnnn of zerglings.
Huk denies the drone going to build the third.
13:00
Huk uses blink to snipe the overseer going to the third and denies it again! DRG gets a surround around the blink stalkers and loses 2-3 and DRG is making 7 infestors with burrow done. He throws up a roach warren and a third as well.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
8:00
The DT is stuffed as DRG built a spore crawler and surrounded the DT before it even gets to the mineral line. Huk throws up another nexus and is behind in supply 65 to 48.
11:00
Huk starts up blink and DRG is throwing up burrow +2 melee attacks and more and more zerglings as well as infestation pit. Huk trades 2-3 stalkers for a tonnnnnnn of zerglings.
Huk denies the drone going to build the third.
13:00
Huk uses blink to snipe the overseer going to the third and denies it again! DRG gets a surround around the blink stalkers and loses 2-3 and DRG is making 7 infestors with burrow done. He throws up a roach warren and a third as well.
14:00
DRG shift clicks his infestors into cannons and loses a ton of them while attempting to abuse the infested terran DPS (). However, huk snipes off many of the infestors and force fields out the zerglings and doesn't lose anything AND denies DRGs third.
On September 24 2011 18:10 justinpal wrote: Game 3: DRG vs HUK, Dual Sight
Spawning in the 3 o'clock is DRG. Spawning in the 9'oclock is Huk. On Dual Sight!
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
8:00
The DT is stuffed as DRG built a spore crawler and surrounded the DT before it even gets to the mineral line. Huk throws up another nexus and is behind in supply 65 to 48.
11:00
Huk starts up blink and DRG is throwing up burrow +2 melee attacks and more and more zerglings as well as infestation pit. Huk trades 2-3 stalkers for a tonnnnnnn of zerglings.
Huk denies the drone going to build the third.
13:00
Huk uses blink to snipe the overseer going to the third and denies it again! DRG gets a surround around the blink stalkers and loses 2-3 and DRG is making 7 infestors with burrow done. He throws up a roach warren and a third as well.
14:00
DRG shift clicks his infestors into cannons and loses a ton of them while attempting to abuse the infested terran DPS (). However, huk snipes off many of the infestors and force fields out the zerglings and doesn't lose anything AND denies DRGs third.
18:00
Tons of roaches and 4 infestors with little energy engage 20 stalkers. However, no really loses. DRG goes into the natural vs Huks cannons and blink stalkers. DRG throws up only infested terrans and huk is trying to blink back and save himself. They trade essentially evenly and DRG secures the actual 3 o'clock base. Huk is down like 100 supply.
On September 24 2011 18:11 justinpal wrote: [quote]
2:00
DRG is hiding a drone behind his natural minerals, looks to be going for a 15 hatch. And yup he is. Huk doesn't send out a scouting probe and makes a 13-14 gate.
4:00
Huk takes both gases and DRG throws up an extractor and pool at 14. As Huk uses saved crono on us warped gate.
4:30
Huk throws up a twilight council as DRG starts Zergling speed and leaves one drone on gas.
6:00
DRG is making 28 zerglings. Huk makes a nexus and dark shrine at the same time.
7:00
28 Zerglings attack down a warping nexus and Huk doesn't cancel for some reason. He doesn't even try to defend it and warps in one of his dts.
8:00
The DT is stuffed as DRG built a spore crawler and surrounded the DT before it even gets to the mineral line. Huk throws up another nexus and is behind in supply 65 to 48.
11:00
Huk starts up blink and DRG is throwing up burrow +2 melee attacks and more and more zerglings as well as infestation pit. Huk trades 2-3 stalkers for a tonnnnnnn of zerglings.
Huk denies the drone going to build the third.
13:00
Huk uses blink to snipe the overseer going to the third and denies it again! DRG gets a surround around the blink stalkers and loses 2-3 and DRG is making 7 infestors with burrow done. He throws up a roach warren and a third as well.
14:00
DRG shift clicks his infestors into cannons and loses a ton of them while attempting to abuse the infested terran DPS (). However, huk snipes off many of the infestors and force fields out the zerglings and doesn't lose anything AND denies DRGs third.
18:00
Tons of roaches and 4 infestors with little energy engage 20 stalkers. However, no really loses. DRG goes into the natural vs Huks cannons and blink stalkers. DRG throws up only infested terrans and huk is trying to blink back and save himself. They trade essentially evenly and DRG secures the actual 3 o'clock base. Huk is down like 100 supply.
21:00
7 or so infestors throw up 15 infested terrans and a bunch of roaches move in against Huk's stalkers and cannons. Blink stalkers cannot save huk from the sheer mass of roaches. Huk is forced to GG.
On September 24 2011 18:23 ypslala wrote: Huk is not good enough, i mean, he loses and keep on loosing. or what?
I don't think anyone in their right mind would put huk in the same league as MVP and DRG... There's Code S, then there's code 3 letter acronyms + Nestea
Huks play ranges from absolutely amazing and fantastic to cringeworthy poor. If Huk could stop dipping down every once in a while and just be solid he would be one of the absolute best protoss players in the world.
Did anyone get a look at the supply after huk held the 1st push ? Seemed like he had thrown down a templar archives he might have had a chance to keep trading while snipping the 3rd with a dt 5 dt suicide squad.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Should've read more about the details, and this has been known for quite some time.
Edit: Also, it's $5, and it has been quite worth it. Plus, you get to also watch VODs from Korean WCGs as well...casted by the OGN folks.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Really dude? $5? :/
5 + 5 + 5 + 5.. I'm not from USA and I can't pay it online even if I would like it. I don't want to spam anymore, enjoy in games
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
Nah, Huk did blink/dt all-in against nestea and thought that would work against DRG I guess, happened recently in GSTL MVP v IM. It's kind of a coin-flip build imo, but whatever works.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Yeah wth GSL? I mean it's not like you have staff to pay, equipment to pay off, studios to rent, websites to maintain, services to provide, or tournament prices to give out. The idea of taking the equivalent of a loaf of breed for all of this is just outrageous. Shame on you!
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
Really though....
I go to college AND work AND get financial aid and I BARELY make bills/feed myself its really not THAT ridiculous that he can't afford it
I want to say Huk should play standard because his macro games vs zerg are quite strong but I think he feels he is the lesser player of the three. His pvz looks so good on his stream but he chooses builds like DT expand. I honestly think even though DRG is the better player, he isn't untouchable in this match up and a macro approach would have given Huk a higher chance of victory than DT expand.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
that is the spirit, broodwar died because of the free streams. Oh wait, it didn't. Just watch and enjoy
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
Really though....
I go to college AND work AND get financial aid and I BARELY make bills/feed myself its really not THAT ridiculous that he can't afford it
I'm sorry but if all of the above is true then you are just not doing it right.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
Nah, Huk did blink/dt all-in against nestea and thought that would work against DRG I guess, happened recently in GSTL MVP v IM. It's kind of a coin-flip build imo, but whatever works.
I'm just gonna throw it out there that certain variables were different in each case.
For instance - what does HuK know and what does he know his opponent knows each time?
IDK, i'm a huk fanboy but i'd like to assume he's not choosing coinflips before the game starts - know what i mean?
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Really dude? $5? :/
5 + 5 + 5 + 5.. I'm not from USA and I can't pay it online even if I would like it. I don't want to spam anymore, enjoy in games
Eh, why the hell can you not pay online because you're not from the US? It's really not much, I don't blame them at all. Every purchase I've made on GOM has been a super good investment.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
that is the spirit, broodwar died because of the free streams. Oh wait, it didn't. Just watch and enjoy
It is supported in Korea by its people and companies. which is the only place in the world it still exsists. just because you dont pay for it doesnt mean no one else does.
On September 24 2011 18:25 NewteN wrote: These threads rule....
Code S brotoss
'OMFG WAT A NOOB HERES X AND Y REASONS WHY I WOULDA DONE BETTER'
Huk made some obvious mistakes in the series, you don't need to be Code S to point them out.
COULD be true, but not ACTUALLY being in his shoes is quite different - yes? How many of us here would take on this caliber of opponents and play literally flawlessly? You're noticing mistakes because:
a) as a spectator you have more information than huk b) you're not 'in the moment' and can make very calm decisions
Regardless, you can thrash Huk all you want - you're still not Code S/Multiple world-wide title-holding status. There could be significant meta-gaming at work and you'd be non-the-wiser.
On September 24 2011 18:23 Azzur wrote: Protosses with their gimmick builds - very strange since he won game 2 playing standard.
he defended an allin and was way ahead -_- it wasn't a "standard" game lol...
No, he played standard - by winning that game, he knows that he's capable to taking DRG on if he all-ins. And if he feels that he needs to cheese to win... well... I say you need to back yourself and don't rely on gimmicks.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
On September 24 2011 18:23 Azzur wrote: Protosses with their gimmick builds - very strange since he won game 2 playing standard.
Well that's cause I think DRG all-ined? I'm not watching atm, but I think that's what the LR said. Zerg's should never all-in...
Yeah, DRG all-ined (i.e. played gimmicky). It seems that whoever plays gimmicky loses? So, I wonder why Huk needed to play that suicidal build - 1 gate DT expand.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
Really though....
I go to college AND work AND get financial aid and I BARELY make bills/feed myself its really not THAT ridiculous that he can't afford it
I'm sorry but if all of the above is true then you are just not doing it right.
isn't uni free in Sweden? I think you should be fine if you work on the side but with just financial aid it's very difficult in the UK at least.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
I can't buy their service even if I would want it, I can't pay it online. But I wouldn't even if I could. Enjoy in service you have paid.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
that is the spirit, broodwar died because of the free streams. Oh wait, it didn't. Just watch and enjoy
It is supported in Korea by its people and companies. which is the only place in the world it still exsists. just because you dont pay for it doesnt mean no one else does.
I doubt many Koreans pay to watch Brood War because they think they should to keep eSports alive.
On September 24 2011 18:23 Azzur wrote: Protosses with their gimmick builds - very strange since he won game 2 playing standard.
Well that's cause I think DRG all-ined? I'm not watching atm, but I think that's what the LR said. Zerg's should never all-in...
Yeah, DRG all-ined (i.e. played gimmicky). It seems that whoever plays gimmicky loses? So, I wonder why Huk needed to play that suicidal build - 1 gate DT expand.
Hmm on paper 1-gate dt expand doesn't sound so bad though..like the dt's would give map control and help against mass lings, which are good against standard 1 gate expand? I don't play toss very well so yeah haha.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
Really though....
I go to college AND work AND get financial aid and I BARELY make bills/feed myself its really not THAT ridiculous that he can't afford it
I'm sorry but if all of the above is true then you are just not doing it right.
isn't uni free in Sweden? I think you should be fine if you work on the side but with just financial aid it's very difficult in the UK at least.
IDK why this is getting honed in on... You don't know anything about the specifics of my financial/academic situation...
Tuition is 4200, I get 3300 in aid. I rent a room near school for 600/month. Keep in mind each quarter is 2.5 months - I HAVE to work part-time in order to have time to do well in school. Hey if you can find me a job that works around my class schedule and pays enough for me to live comfortably beyond what I previously posted PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MESSAGE ME
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
No other information is relevant other than the statiscs that show dt openings winning 15% of the last 50 games vs zerg(pulled out of thin air :D but its prolly accurate), it's a horribad build that only wins when people let 4 dts slip into their bases despite seeing them.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
learn to support e-sports and STFU
Really though....
I go to college AND work AND get financial aid and I BARELY make bills/feed myself its really not THAT ridiculous that he can't afford it
I'm sorry but if all of the above is true then you are just not doing it right.
isn't uni free in Sweden? I think you should be fine if you work on the side but with just financial aid it's very difficult in the UK at least.
IDK why this is getting honed in on... You don't know anything about the specifics of my financial/academic situation...
Tuition is 4200, I get 3300 in aid. I rent a room near school for 600/month. Keep in mind each quarter is 2.5 months - I HAVE to work part-time in order to have time to do well in school. Hey if you can find me a job that works around my class schedule and pays enough for me to live comfortably beyond what I previously posted PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MESSAGE ME
Since I know you can't - ez gg no re
Lol you don't to explain your situation to people you don't know. Just leave with that and follow the live reports.
BTW anyone notice how there's almost no people in here? Games with DRG and MVP and HuK would normally have this thread in the hundreds of pages within minutes. Guess nobody likes to pay for something they got for free earlier.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
If you can't sympathize with those "less fortunate" the least you can do is keep your mouth shut.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
If you can't sympathize with those "less fortunate" the least you can do is keep your mouth shut.
That is also true. But if you can't keep yours shut then i guess i can say what is in my mind too.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
If you can't sympathize with those "less fortunate" the least you can do is keep your mouth shut.
wow dude, you are really embarassing yourself
You really can't tell me that anybody who can afford a PC and Internet connection to watch streams cant pay 5$. And you come up with some stupid wikipedia list. Seriously?
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
No other information is relevant other than the statiscs that show dt openings winning 15% of the last 50 games vs zerg(pulled out of thin air :D but its prolly accurate), it's a horribad build that only wins when people let 4 dts slip into their bases despite seeing them.
If you want to have a real conversation about it... it can't be from thin air
Still don't see a reason why we can't assume a code S/multiple title winning brotoss is making proper decisions... Unless you want to argue that DTs are NEVER viable REGARDLESS of the situation/info
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
If you can't sympathize with those "less fortunate" the least you can do is keep your mouth shut.
wow dude, you are really embarassing yourself
You really can't tell me that anybody who can afford a PC and Internet connection to watch streams cant pay 5$. And you come up with some stupid wikipedia list. Seriously?
It would be irresponsible for me to do so. I was given a laptop for christmas (a nice one) and paying $5 for entertainment I won't be able to watch very often is absurd. That's actually directly out of food money.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
I can give concrete criticism when ever you want but this is LR and I don't want to spam so much, I just wanted to say something in short sentences. And your first sentence saying enough about you. Just enjoy in stream that you have paid for, don't let some dicks from IDK which countries annoys you.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
No other information is relevant other than the statiscs that show dt openings winning 15% of the last 50 games vs zerg(pulled out of thin air :D but its prolly accurate), it's a horribad build that only wins when people let 4 dts slip into their bases despite seeing them.
If you want to have a real conversation about it... it can't be from thin air
Still don't see a reason why we can't assume a code S/multiple title winning brotoss is making proper decisions... Unless you want to argue that DTs are NEVER viable REGARDLESS of the situation/info
I think it's a terrible build that will never work against a top level zerg in a standard situation, and that was an empirical deduction.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
No other information is relevant other than the statiscs that show dt openings winning 15% of the last 50 games vs zerg(pulled out of thin air :D but its prolly accurate), it's a horribad build that only wins when people let 4 dts slip into their bases despite seeing them.
If you want to have a real conversation about it... it can't be from thin air
Still don't see a reason why we can't assume a code S/multiple title winning brotoss is making proper decisions... Unless you want to argue that DTs are NEVER viable REGARDLESS of the situation/info
I think it's a terrible build that will never work against a top level zerg in a standard situation, and that was an empirical dedution.
That's not combating what I said previous to your first response. WE agree.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
I can give concrete criticism when ever you want but this is LR and I don't want to spam so much, I just wanted to say something in short sentences. And your first sentence saying enough about you. Just enjoy in stream that you have paid for, don't let some dicks from IDK which countries annoys you.
What the fuck are you talking about? Yep, this is LR THREAD and posts like yours doesn't even belong here in the first place (nor does my answers, but still). And am i getting this right, now you are saying that your country is annoying me? Dude, i've been in Croatia 3 fucking times, why would it annoy me? YOUR IDIOTIC whining annoys me - and i'm not alone here. It is pointless, especially in the way you expressed it.
I understand if you really can't pay for it or you don't have a credit card, but next time, find the right thread for the feed back and give them that concrete criticism you say you can provide.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
I can give concrete criticism when ever you want but this is LR and I don't want to spam so much, I just wanted to say something in short sentences. And your first sentence saying enough about you. Just enjoy in stream that you have paid for, don't let some dicks from IDK which countries annoys you.
What the fuck are you talking about? Yep, this is LR THREAD and posts like yours doesn't even belong here in the first place (nor does my answers, but still). And am i getting this right, now you are saying that your country is annoying me? Dude, i've been in Croatia 3 fucking times, why would it annoy me? YOUR IDIOTIC whining annoys me - and i'm not alone here. It is pointless, especially in the way you expressed it.
I understand if you really can't pay for it or you don't have a credit card, but next time, find the right thread for the feed back and give them that concrete criticism you say you can provide.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
If you can't sympathize with those "less fortunate" the least you can do is keep your mouth shut.
wow dude, you are really embarassing yourself
You really can't tell me that anybody who can afford a PC and Internet connection to watch streams cant pay 5$. And you come up with some stupid wikipedia list. Seriously?
Now I must say something. As NewteN said, it would be irresponsible. I have my PC and internet connection because I work from it, without it I would be in complete mess. I don't have a real job anymore, I sold my better computer and I reduced speed and bandwith of my internet connection. I love to watch MMA, football (not american), basketball etc. Where would I get if I would pay for everything of that? But there will be always someone that could tell me: well, you can't tell me that you don't have XY $$$ to pay for stream.
On September 24 2011 18:26 purgerinho wrote: This tournament is only available with a premium ticket. $4.99 w/ ads $9.99 w/o - this is the reason sc2 will never be broodwar
I'm so pissed right now, I woke up earlier just to watch it and greedy ********** done this. GG
Next time, read the tournament info more carefully or beforehand. Also, this 5 bucks is basically NOTHING. GOM can provide this shit with payments like that. Whiny idiot.
Then don't fucking come here and cry about it. If you don't have the money or even a credit card, then deal with it.
This minimum wage bullshit is pointless anyway. The main point was towards the whining how he woke up early just to watch the games and realized that it is pay to view. As i said, next time read the tournament info a bit more carefully. If you can't afford it, then you can't, leave it to yourself or give them some concrete criticism instead.
If you can't sympathize with those "less fortunate" the least you can do is keep your mouth shut.
wow dude, you are really embarassing yourself
You really can't tell me that anybody who can afford a PC and Internet connection to watch streams cant pay 5$. And you come up with some stupid wikipedia list. Seriously?
You have to understand to the point is not 5$, because I'm pretty sure everybody agrees it's cheap. But, some people doesn't have credit card, or paypal. And, pay for all events cost like 50$ per months, so that becomes expansive.
At last, I think streams should be free, at least in low quality. Free streams make e-sport bigger, nobody will come and pay a stream about something they don't know. So the point, that pay for stream is supporting e-sport is a bit odd for me.
On September 24 2011 19:14 purgerinho wrote: @ Grettin - i didn't say my country annoys you, read carefully (like I should read tour info more carefully ^^ ).
I know this is not a place to whine about this thing but I had to say it. I would be warned/banned even if I opened thread about it.
Then i apologize that i understood you wrong.
You don't even need to open a thread for that. The original thread where this tournament was announced had enough of this and GOMtv has their own places to give them feedback.
Maybe streams should be free for every event at least on LQ, but this is just extra content. Without that 5$/to view, there possibly wouldn't be anything extra(i.e this tournament), remember it.
And if you cannot pay to view it, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for us who can pay for it.
On September 24 2011 19:14 purgerinho wrote: @ Grettin - i didn't say my country annoys you, read carefully (like I should read tour info more carefully ^^ ).
I know this is not a place to whine about this thing but I had to say it. I would be warned/banned even if I opened thread about it.
Then i apologize that i understood you wrong.
You don't even need to open a thread for that. The original thread where this tournament was announced had enough of this and GOMtv has their own places to give them feedback.
Maybe streams should be free for every event at least on LQ, but this is just extra content. Without that 5$/to view, there possibly wouldn't be anything extra(i.e this tournament), remember it.
And if you cannot pay to view it, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for us who can pay for it.
No one is saying that's the case - you're just trying to solidify your 'LOL ITS JUST FIVE DOLLARS' argument.
Sorry man, this may be hard to believe, but some of us like to be responsible with the little money we have.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
No other information is relevant other than the statiscs that show dt openings winning 15% of the last 50 games vs zerg(pulled out of thin air :D but its prolly accurate), it's a horribad build that only wins when people let 4 dts slip into their bases despite seeing them.
If you want to have a real conversation about it... it can't be from thin air
Still don't see a reason why we can't assume a code S/multiple title winning brotoss is making proper decisions... Unless you want to argue that DTs are NEVER viable REGARDLESS of the situation/info
I think it's a terrible build that will never work against a top level zerg in a standard situation, and that was an empirical deduction.
What's a standard situation? It's a risky build but Starcraft is a game of calculated risks.
On September 24 2011 19:14 purgerinho wrote: @ Grettin - i didn't say my country annoys you, read carefully (like I should read tour info more carefully ^^ ).
I know this is not a place to whine about this thing but I had to say it. I would be warned/banned even if I opened thread about it.
Then i apologize that i understood you wrong.
You don't even need to open a thread for that. The original thread where this tournament was announced had enough of this and GOMtv has their own places to give them feedback.
Maybe streams should be free for every event at least on LQ, but this is just extra content. Without that 5$/to view, there possibly wouldn't be anything extra(i.e this tournament), remember it.
And if you cannot pay to view it, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for us who can pay for it.
No one is saying that's the case - you're just trying to solidify your 'LOL ITS JUST FIVE DOLLARS' argument.
Sorry man, this may be hard to believe, but some of us like to be responsible with the little money we have.
Solidify it how? by saying how things are? First of all, my main argument wasn't the price of the event, i didn't know his financial state nor i checked where he was from.
I understand if people with little money are responsible and they should be, but that still doesn't mean there shouldn't be tournament/events like these which are for those who can and are willing to pay for it.
if you don't know if you can pay for the stream, you don't know what is coming or simply just don't have the money - then you don't buy it. Thats how i see it and i think it's pretty simple.
People who paid for the stream but are unable to tune in despite the premium ticket, that is just bullshit. GOM should get their services working properly.
I think this is already (or at least getting) pretty pointless, since people have discussed about this already in the announcement thread.+ Show Spoiler +
So i apologize my harsh language towards purgerinho in the first comments and also if i "offended" someone.
On September 24 2011 18:29 NewteN wrote: DT just not very good at high level... tech time/build time too long for significant dmg and its fairly ez to scout...
Really tho holding first push and securing 3rd with robo tech would be so much better
I wonder what HuK was thinking vrs DRG...
Perhaps DRG has shown some vulnerability to DT harass recently IDK
fuck me... You obviously didn't watch Huk vs Nestea or Tails vs Nestea :S
I did....
HEY IT WORKS - but tbh it's coinflippy/risky and I don't think it's appropriate to build in a 1-1 bo3...................
Since huk is so far beyond our level, I feel it's safe to assume there's other information available to huk that we do not have. agree?
No other information is relevant other than the statiscs that show dt openings winning 15% of the last 50 games vs zerg(pulled out of thin air :D but its prolly accurate), it's a horribad build that only wins when people let 4 dts slip into their bases despite seeing them.
If you want to have a real conversation about it... it can't be from thin air
Still don't see a reason why we can't assume a code S/multiple title winning brotoss is making proper decisions... Unless you want to argue that DTs are NEVER viable REGARDLESS of the situation/info
I think it's a terrible build that will never work against a top level zerg in a standard situation, and that was an empirical deduction.
What's a standard situation? It's a risky build but Starcraft is a game of calculated risks.
Opening dt's delay your good unit composion AND economy by a lot, and if scouted, is just as much an all in as 4 gate basically. You just get that far behind.
On September 24 2011 19:14 purgerinho wrote: @ Grettin - i didn't say my country annoys you, read carefully (like I should read tour info more carefully ^^ ).
I know this is not a place to whine about this thing but I had to say it. I would be warned/banned even if I opened thread about it.
Then i apologize that i understood you wrong.
You don't even need to open a thread for that. The original thread where this tournament was announced had enough of this and GOMtv has their own places to give them feedback.
Maybe streams should be free for every event at least on LQ, but this is just extra content. Without that 5$/to view, there possibly wouldn't be anything extra(i.e this tournament), remember it.
And if you cannot pay to view it, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for us who can pay for it.
No one is saying that's the case - you're just trying to solidify your 'LOL ITS JUST FIVE DOLLARS' argument.
Sorry man, this may be hard to believe, but some of us like to be responsible with the little money we have.
Solidify it how? by saying how things are? First of all, my main argument wasn't the price of the event, i didn't know his financial state nor i checked where he was from.
I understand if people with little money are responsible and they should be, but that still doesn't mean there shouldn't be tournament/events like these which are for those who can and are willing to pay for it.
if you don't know if you can pay for the stream, you don't know what is coming or simply just don't have the money - then you don't buy it. Thats how i see it and i think it's pretty simple.
People who paid for the stream but are unable to tune in despite the premium ticket, that is just bullshit. GOM should get their services working properly.
I think this is already (or at least getting) pretty pointless, since people have discussed about this already in the announcement thread.+ Show Spoiler +
So i apologize my harsh language towards purgerinho in the first comments and also if i "offended" someone.
I think most of us are on-board with the point you're making - but no one has yet to really oppose it... See why I said what I did?
On September 24 2011 20:33 Eppa! wrote: Was there LR for DRG vs MVP?
Nope. Game 1 on dual sight : MVP tries to proxy a rax, but DRG instant scout it, which put MVP behind. MVP tries to make up for this, and makes a very greedy expand on the low ground from his only late rax, hoping DRG will capitalize on his mistake by taking a fast third instead of pushing it. But DRG doesn't fall for that, and a horde of lings is enough to force a GG.
Game 2 on close pos Terminus : macro openings, then MVP tries the marine hellion elevator play, denied by 3 queens and some lings. Then we get some more perfect muta harass (like yesterday DRG on bel'shir vs Happy in GSTL if you saw that) Both on 3 bases, MVP finally gets 2 thors and take his nat 4th with a horde of marine tanks. DRG dive into it with mutalings and trades pretty well, losing all his army (mutas included) for the 2 thors, all the tanks minus 2, and 3 quarters of the marines. During this DRG takes his 4th and 5th, and 2 minutes later remaxes with ultralisks lings/blings/festors, and dive again in the tank line, this time killing the planetary 4th and everything else, he manages to push into the main while a big drop from MVP is killing stuff, but too little too late, MVP gg. A great game.
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
Well, Nestea openly said it in an interview after he lost to HuK.. As for the reasoning; I don't know
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
Well, Nestea openly said it in an interview after he lost to HuK.. As for the reasoning; I don't know
That was for the year anniversary show matches. There was no prize money at stake and some guys were just doing it for laughs while others were more serious.
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
Because these top players pretty much had a choice between practicing specifically for their AoL matchups (~$1800 for first place) or GSL matchups (~$50000 for first place) Given that the level of competition is actually higher in the AoL, and given that making the round of 16 in the GSL is more rewarding than winning the AoL, I can't fault any player who decided to practice explicitly for their GSL matchup and neglect their AoL ones. So while they're playing their best, they haven't practiced as hard for their AoL matches as they would for a GSL opponent.
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
Well, Nestea openly said it in an interview after he lost to HuK.. As for the reasoning; I don't know
It's kinda sad if this is true. It just means that they only care about the money. If Nestea's reason is to hide his strategies, then that's not a true champion in my book. A real champ should be confident enough that if his cards are out he can still win.
I'm sure Nestea doesn't care about the GSTL and maybe AOL also. He cries when he loses in the GSL (even just losing one game and advancing), but he laughs when he loses in the GSTL.
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
Well, Nestea openly said it in an interview after he lost to HuK.. As for the reasoning; I don't know
Totally different. That whole thing was obviously a joke. I don't mean that in a bad way; it was genuinely a joke.
preparing for an opponent is time taking if you want to give your best you have to concentrate on one thing. If they would prepare for both it would probably look clumsy in both games. Especially with so many playstyles out there. I don't think its a bad thing for the viewers actually.
I mean...just because they haven't been specifically practising for an opponent or a match up doesn't make it not serious. Otherwise all MLG, Dreamhack, actually all LAN results apparently don't matter because they aren't being taken seriously.
On September 24 2011 20:13 Mayd wrote: I think I can't take GSTL's and AOL's results seriously.
Yeah because we all know that the best players in the world NEVER LOSE GAMES EVER
Genius
In GSTL always the team what you less expect to win, will win. So yeah...
And AOL nothing to say...
I'm confused. What's the reason for not taking GSTL or AOL seriously?
Well, I dont agree on the GSTL-part
However, the AoL does seem to not be taken very seriously by alot of the players, unfortunately
Really? I never understand this argument, ever. Why the fuck would any player play lower than their ability in a publicised tournament with prize money? What do they possibly have to lose by playing their best? Why would MVP put his reputation on the line by losing to DRG?
Basically, I'm not buying it, I don't even understand why anyone would think that.
I agree. Not preparing doesn't mean not taking the tournament seriously. They play each game to win, that's seem so obvious I don't understand how can this statement be disputed. It's not like MVP needs a full week for practicing for DRG, especially when he beat him exactly 24 hours before.
Not practicing specifically for an opponent is silly reasoning. They've been playing sc2 for a year and it's not like they forgot how to play just because they didn't prepare something specific for a player. They still know how to play the game free style just based on skill.
On September 24 2011 23:39 Canucklehead wrote: Not practicing specifically for an opponent is silly reasoning. They've been playing sc2 for a year and it's not like they forgot how to play just because they didn't prepare something specific for a player. They still know how to play the game free style just based on skill.
I agree with this. It can also be argued that the amount of preparation involved for normal GSL matches ends up producing more major BO advantages/wins, which I find to be less exciting than some of the games with less preparation (or at least a nice change of pace).
Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
I really don't understand why people are saying that MVP didn't prepare because of GSL and lost due to that. Since if I remember correctly DRG is also in GSL and he hasn't even played his matches yet like some have. So by that logic he hasn't prepared as well.
As I see it two players (prepared or not) went head to head and the better player today won.
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
If I was a fan of Nestea I would be pissed off if he didn't take it seriously. Despite its low price pool, it is still Arena of Legends, which is prestige for its name and uniqueness.
Now, I do think Nestea/MVP took it seriously, but probably not as serious as the regular GSL. Meaning, they prepare less.
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
Can't really blame em. Most of these matches haven't really looked of the code S quality that the players typically exhibit. Losira vs. MKP? The fuck was that?
Say what you will but I really don't think Nestea was playing seriously against MMA especially. No it isn't because he lost, he's totally capable of doing retarded shit and blowing the match just like everyone else even when a lot is on the line (gstl). The main indicator of that wasn't just the mistakes but really his style. He almost never plays aggressively like July/Drg against terran, but he did in the AoL. So I reserved judgement until I saw how he was going to play the ro32. ro32 comes and not only was the play a lot better, but totally opposite of what he did in the AoL -_-. This really lines up as well, considering the AoL and ro32 were only a few days apart and his entire group was terran. Why show what I've prepared to a team as meticulous of their opponent's play as slayers is, for a chance at a prize that's essentially the same as getting out of my volatile ro32 terran group? Very suspect. The tournament just kind of feels like a test run for the gsl :/
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
Nah NesTea loses to sage easily in Bo99 cause he scouts. Its just like broowar.
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
Can't really blame em. Most of these matches haven't really looked of the code S quality that the players typically exhibit. Losira vs. MKP? The fuck was that?
Say what you will but I really don't think Nestea was playing seriously against MMA especially. No it isn't because he lost, he's totally capable of doing retarded shit and blowing the match just like everyone else even when a lot is on the line (gstl). The main indicator of that wasn't just the mistakes but really his style. He almost never plays aggressively like July/Drg against terran, but he did in the AoL. So I reserved judgement until I saw how he was going to play the ro32. ro32 comes and not only was the play a lot better, but totally opposite of what he did in the AoL -_-. This really lines up as well, considering the AoL and ro32 were only a few days apart and his entire group was terran. Why show what I've prepared to a team as meticulous of their opponent's play as slayers is, for a chance at a prize that's essentially the same as getting out of my volatile ro32 terran group? Very suspect. The tournament just kind of feels like a test run for the gsl :/
Most of these guys are in GSL so they go in on an even footing. MVP practiced with nestea on Terminus so why would you think he wasn't ready for that game against DRG? They probably didn't prepare too much for the games compared to GSL, but they went in on a pretty much even footing. DRG isn't gonna be practicing a lot for this tournament either.
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
Anyone with a brain saw Nestea hiding his new vs T style for Code S when they played in AOL. He didn't lose purposefully but neither did he show MMA his full hand.
I just watched the vods. Man, HuK isn't mistake-proof but I've never seen him make so many over that many games in a row. Maybe after the first few it just got in his head and fucked up his game.
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
Can't really blame em. Most of these matches haven't really looked of the code S quality that the players typically exhibit. Losira vs. MKP? The fuck was that?
Say what you will but I really don't think Nestea was playing seriously against MMA especially. No it isn't because he lost, he's totally capable of doing retarded shit and blowing the match just like everyone else even when a lot is on the line (gstl). The main indicator of that wasn't just the mistakes but really his style. He almost never plays aggressively like July/Drg against terran, but he did in the AoL. So I reserved judgement until I saw how he was going to play the ro32. ro32 comes and not only was the play a lot better, but totally opposite of what he did in the AoL -_-. This really lines up as well, considering the AoL and ro32 were only a few days apart and his entire group was terran. Why show what I've prepared to a team as meticulous of their opponent's play as slayers is, for a chance at a prize that's essentially the same as getting out of my volatile ro32 terran group? Very suspect. The tournament just kind of feels like a test run for the gsl :/
Nestea didnt played well in GSL ro32. Yea he won, but if MMA didnt move marines towards to banes, he would easily won, he had such a big advantage. I missed game against Nada, but Nada is in slump i would say. If he will beat MVP in ro8, i will change my opinion, but so far from what i seen Nestea do his ZvT is bad.
On September 25 2011 01:01 Weezing wrote: Like always, fans of players who looses are saing things like "they dont take it seriously", "He is just messing around" and other crap. Especially Nestea fans are experts in that because their gods never loose because artosis said that..
Can't really blame em. Most of these matches haven't really looked of the code S quality that the players typically exhibit. Losira vs. MKP? The fuck was that?
Say what you will but I really don't think Nestea was playing seriously against MMA especially. No it isn't because he lost, he's totally capable of doing retarded shit and blowing the match just like everyone else even when a lot is on the line (gstl). The main indicator of that wasn't just the mistakes but really his style. He almost never plays aggressively like July/Drg against terran, but he did in the AoL. So I reserved judgement until I saw how he was going to play the ro32. ro32 comes and not only was the play a lot better, but totally opposite of what he did in the AoL -_-. This really lines up as well, considering the AoL and ro32 were only a few days apart and his entire group was terran. Why show what I've prepared to a team as meticulous of their opponent's play as slayers is, for a chance at a prize that's essentially the same as getting out of my volatile ro32 terran group? Very suspect. The tournament just kind of feels like a test run for the gsl :/
Or maybe he is was playing seriously and practised a new zvt and wanted to test it on MMA? There has to be a time you use it the first time against ppl that don't expect it (no practice parnters) and AoL is a better choice for that then GSL considering the risk. i am not saying he did not played serious but to say "he did something different so he didn't took it serious" is kinda silly.
Honestly, i'm a zerg, and thus a DRG fan, but you have to agree that players like MVP and Nestea keep their most refined build for GSL, because it takes ALOT to win a GSL, it's not just playing standard every game, if you use all your bullets on AOL you'll not win GSL...