Really impressed w/ Artosis after the GSL matches. His knowledge of the game is 2nd to none and just has a great way of explaining the little things during casting that none of the other guys really can.
I'd put Day9 as a close second but he can get a little too crazy at times.
On September 05 2010 11:50 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: A mod will probably come along shortly just ask for it to be closed and edit it into the old thread original post.
On September 05 2010 12:09 Oxyoxygen wrote: There's no option for iNcontroL and Lz! Seriously though i wish they would cast more they make a great casting duo.
i'm so happy hd is at the bottom. just cannot stand his commentaries. if you know nothing about sc2, don't try to pretend you do.
my favorite caster is saharadrac. love that guy. he's just silly. he also doesn't understand the game too well either, but he doesn't pretend that he does.
PsyStarcraft for when I want to watch games. Day9 for when I want to learn about them. For entertainment value, I think Psy is the best. He explains himself well, without pausing, then monologuing for 10 minutes.
I've gotten into the progaming scene through the SC2GG folks. Klazart of course, and I've always gotten a boner at Cholera's voice. Rise was also awesome.
On September 05 2010 05:02 hifriend wrote: Tasteless = likes to repeat obvious shit in a overdramatized fashion like "here we can see him building a supply depot by his ramp, which is very useful because blah blah...." every. single. cast.
d.Apollo = judging from iem this guy just rarely makes any sense what so ever. Makes a lot of stupid predictions and super obvious statements, take this gem from tarson vs. dimaga: "reapers against roaches.... reapers can actually take them down because they can actually move backwards, forwards, left and right... and they do a lot of damage."
and I hate his accent.
Day[9] = talks overly abstract about simple things, goes on for thirty minutes about the importance of proper overlord scouting patterns. Makes weird noises.
Husky = well I'm not really sure about this guy but from what I've seen he likes to start out every game by declaring "I have so much shit to talk to you about today; number one... etc".. By midgame he might start commenting on the game anyway he's kinda funny I guess.
Chill = "uhm, I'm not really sure what's going on right now..." usually indicating the player is doing something horribly wrong. According to chill every player in every game ever played are deviating from some strange norm that apparently only chill is aware of.
Artosis = Perfection. Is so passionate about starcraft it shows through in all of his casts. Brings lots of relevant insightful comments on the game all while keeping up perfectly with the minimap.
See, in a way I completely agree with all of this, but its also why I can't stand artosis as a caster.
Overdramatisation/nonsense/wierd noises/HTOTHEHUSKYHUSKY/TheChillConfusion are all substantially more exciting than boring old artosis with his run of the mill "this is what's happening" style. I play starcraft. I know what's happening. Give me something interesting.
Recently discovered xHydrax - very weird accent (which is even fun for me), but he casts nice games. Also, aside from being a bit sloppy / unprofessional, BigT makes very accurate live predictions.
Psy's currently my favorite. He shows games of pros and also his own, he's a sick Zerg player...almost makes me want to leave Auir behind and he's funny without being cheesy. I also love Day9 for obvious reasons. He is the king of SC2 imo
It's hard to say between tasteless and day9, but it really depends on what I want to hear.
For pure casting and entertainment I would say tasteless, because gom is the most exciting thing in the world to watch. But if I wanted to learn as I watched, day9 is really great about breaking everything down and analyzing it.
tasteless is so fucking good. U tend to forget that until u hear him again. Even his constant repetition of the same coined phrases doesnt ruin it. He's just that fucking good. It's perhaps his pure passion for the sport that oozes out of eacch and every sentence.
Tasteless and Day9 are great, but they repeat their points so often between multiple casts that it gets really annoying. When just tuning in to watch a couple games they are really great though, and even with the repetitiveness, they are better than anyone else I've listed to (HD, Husky, Psy, and Artosis.)
My most favorite is Klazart but he doesn't commentate SC2, or even BW anymore for that matter
I feel bad for the guys at the bottom, popularity contests suck :/
I gotta give it to gunrun and martijn for glhf and rael and rise (rip <3) and all the guys at iccup! These guys are always on, organizing and streaming events, giving us great games, and helping other streamers (day, HDH... everybody). That's some ♥ for the community
People are confusing casting with teaching. It doesn't really bother me but I'd like to just throw it out there that if you are choosing Day because he teaches you things that is not what the poll is asking. Take for example the Chill vs Combat-ex show match that is Day[9] casting and then compare it to Artosis or tasteless or whoever casting, that is what you should be basing your vote on.
Hahaha, now I can't vote for myself because I already voted "other". Probably need to make an entirely new poll for people who already voted and might wanna change their minds.
Edit: Maybe you already did ? Somehow I came back and was able to revote..
Chill and incontrol do an epic job on TLattack. Dunno why it gets so much negative feedback. Sure the gameplay isn't exactly hilarious, but their commentary makes it my favourite SC2 nerdcast. Closely followed by Djwheat and Chill on weapon of choice.
Day9 definetly has the most skill knowledge but I don't think he's the best commentator. Look at normal sport commentators, some of them know complete nothing about the game but are regarded as one of the best in commentating history. Day9 would fit in with Chill or maybe his bro, Tasteless, that would be great. I also really love Artosiss casting. If it had to be solo, I'd probably go Artosis Day9 Chill Tasteless
I prefer a mix of casters, as I tend to go tired of the same old, so Day9 is not that fun, he tend to give analysis to the silver players which I hate. I want entertainment.
InControl I like, really much. Much better then Day9 by a mile, even if he is wrong, he knows how to create some great entertainment, small comments that makes you laugh.
Also thegunrun with martijin (or how he spells his name) is great, as well as chill. So many good casters. Ofcourse Tasteless and Artosis together are just awesome, just a fucking perfect match. We got the nerd with the partyking, how awesome is that?
I like Crota but he just doesn't seem to be super popular, I can't vote for him over Day9, but they're both good because they get so excited while casting games.
I would vote for Day9 because he just has this unparalleled quality that drenches each cast with epic nerdery, however I very much enjoy Psy and I can't let him fall behind.
On September 05 2010 22:12 crappen wrote: I prefer a mix of casters, as I tend to go tired of the same old, so Day9 is not that fun, he tend to give analysis to the silver players which I hate. I want entertainment.
InControl I like, really much. Much better then Day9 by a mile, even if he is wrong, he knows how to create some great entertainment, small comments that makes you laugh.
Also thegunrun with martijin (or how he spells his name) is great, as well as chill. So many good casters. Ofcourse Tasteless and Artosis together are just awesome, just a fucking perfect match. We got the nerd with the partyking, how awesome is that?
On September 05 2010 12:59 alphafuzard wrote: Gretorp - Analytical play, good commentary, and clown boppin
This, there really needs to be a Gretorp option considering how handsome his commentary and play is. Gretorp and Day9 theres just nothing better (especially when they are co-casting)
Personally I've really enjoyed Day9's casting. The only gripe I have is that sometimes he rants a little bit too long in his casts sometimes but regardless he's still my favorite to listen to.
Definetly Tasteless. I prefer entertainment above gameknowledge. I als like Day9, but sometimes he is too educational for me. Chill and TotalBuiscit are the other ones I really like.
On September 06 2010 01:05 McStupid wrote: Only 7% for Husky? What the hell is wrong with you people? I love the line "Hello everyone this is H to the usky Husky" at the start of every cast.
The Problem is that he has no game knowledge whatsoever, when he is casting together with HD it fortunately gets offset a bit since HD at least has decent understanding. Also his humor is kinda ... flat ... just my opinion.
If you want funny casts just go for goatrope he is way better in both commentating and humor.
Personally I'm a big fan of Raelcun/Josh commentary combo from ICCup TV. I think they are one of the best yet most underrated commentators out there. They both did a great job covering ESL yesterday and have solid game knowledgeable and know the scene and all the players very well. Props to those guys.
Where is Klazart on this poll? He was the best caster of all time. He was one of the few who can actually speak at a proper pace. The rest, like Day 9, Husky, HD, etc. talk as slowly as molasses flowing across a frozen stone slab. This undermines their other qualities and severely limits the amount of information they can convey.
On September 06 2010 01:28 Regulate140 wrote: Personally I'm a big fan of Raelcun/Josh commentary combo from ICCup TV. I think they are one of the best yet most underrated commentators out there. They both did a great job covering ESL yesterday and have solid game knowledgeable and know the scene and all the players very well. Props to those guys.
I rly like them as well - keep it up dudes! ^^'
The Iccup-show with all the new Maps is one of the best sc2-related entertainment out there.
On September 06 2010 01:05 McStupid wrote: Only 7% for Husky? What the hell is wrong with you people? I love the line "Hello everyone this is H to the usky Husky" at the start of every cast.
My order would be Tasteless, Husky, Day[9]... ... people giving Tasteless a lot of shit lately but I'm fairly sure it will blow over. I think lots of people are having unrealistic expectations of casters lately anyways. Seems like EVERYONE is getting bashed for something.
Yea, I'll also cast my vote for Other/Klazart. I wouldn't care as much as I do about pro SC if it hadn't been for him. It wasn't just the WPM, he had a way of capturing the scale of great matches that I haven't heard anyone else achieve.
On September 06 2010 03:03 EternaLEnVy wrote: its quite funny how psy is not so well known and has like 6-7x less subscribers than husky and HD but is favorited more.
That would be because TL is a specific niche demographic that favours analytical high-level casting like Day9 and not play-by-play casting like HD/Husky. It's not a hard concept to grasp, TL are a minority audience that likes particular things.
On September 06 2010 03:03 EternaLEnVy wrote: its quite funny how psy is not so well known and has like 6-7x less subscribers than husky and HD but is favorited more.
That would be because TL is a specific niche demographic that favours analytical high-level casting like Day9 and not play-by-play casting like HD/Husky. It's not a hard concept to grasp, TL are a minority audience that likes particular things.
Spot on. There are a growing number of people who are more into the entertainment side of SC2 and not the strategic side (i.e they are casual players who like watching other people play more than playing themselves).
I have been more of the latter category for a while now and I appreciate that Husky is probably one of the best casters for pure entertainment value. I watched a lot of Day9 vids for a while and I enjoyed them when I was playing but I just cant be arsed to sit through an hour of him talk about strategy now. I am ashamed to admit it but I actually get more enjoyment from watching high level players play awesome games with a caster keeping me entertained in the downtime than the strategy stuff or playing myself. For this Husky, HD and more recently Psy do this.
To get back to the point a rough guess would be that 40% of people who bought SC2 know about TL. Husky and HD serve a wonderful purpose in putting out real high quality vids (even 720p looks really amazing) regularly that are usually very entertaining. This is awesome for the casual player with a basic understanding. That is what their success is down to I believe. Day9 has been around here for a long time and is respected, but I feel that there is a lot of disrespect towards Husky n HD from TL members. Husky and HD have done more for the future of SC2 as an esport than most people realise.
Btw I am mid Diamond player who plays a lot of 3vs3R (I was top 100 in the world for a few weeks) but I got busy so I couldnt play. I understand the strategy side but I dont find it that interesting anymore. The future of esports lies in entertaining casting and HD and Husky's SC2 vids are addictive.
Day9's ability to do incredible analysis, play-by-play, color and filler and seamlessly switch between all of these just owns everyone else, hands down. He is simply the best.
Day[9] so overestimated I just get annoyed by his overexcitement and all he going crazy about EVERYTHING. He feels too nerdy not like a professional shoutcaster, I just can't take that guy seriously.
Tasteless superior to anyone, Artosis second. I did like HD & Husky at their tournament but they get boring, not enough energy nor passion.
day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
None of the other casters know what they're talking about or cast about anything other than what they can directly see is happening.
Best example: BigT vs BiggerT. Chill's cast involved more than just what was going on (this guy is expanding, ooohh big battle, I think _ is gonna win, oops I'm wrong... that kind of stuff); he gave relevant information concerning the builds that the players were doing, how one player could put himself in an advantageous position if he did _, how the map affects certain types of play in that matchup, etc.
HD, Husky, etc. are great casters in the sense that they articulate well, and are very enthusiastic, but it really takes a high level player to cast a high level game.
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
None of the other casters know what they're talking about or cast about anything other than what they can directly see is happening.
Best example: BigT vs BiggerT. Chill's cast involved more than just what was going on (this guy is expanding, ooohh big battle, I think _ is gonna win, oops I'm wrong... that kind of stuff); he gave relevant information concerning the builds that the players were doing, how one player could put himself in an advantageous position if he did _, how the map affects certain types of play in that matchup, etc.
HD, Husky, etc. are great casters in the sense that they articulate well, and are very enthusiastic, but it really takes a high level player to cast a high level game.
For one thing that's nonsense, not having uber-high level analytical knowledge is not the same as 'not having a clue when they're talking about'. TL's definition of 'knowing what you're talking about' seems to be 'go into everything that's going on in extreme, technical detail and never make an incorrect call', as if there are only two states of casting, that and 'not knowing what he's talking about', rather than many, many shades of grey.
I'd also like to point out that 'you need to be a high level player to cast a high level game' is also nonsense, since that does not apply to actual sports. Your ex-player/manager will provide analysis and some colour in a professional commentary team but will also play second chair to your play-by-play commentator who is the real broadcast personality and usually has the best broadcasting voice and experience.
TL's impression of what casting requires does not mesh with the reality of casting, which is totally understandable since it's a high-level, competitive community, but they should also realise they are the minority, as are their opinions on the matter and one need only look at the numbers to actually see that in action.
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
Day9 was an obvious winner without even looking, his popularity runs high in these parts and with good reason in my opinion. Tasteless being second makes sense for similar reasons. Psy I'm a little shocked at, not because I don't think he's good I love him, I just didn't think he was that popular here.
I'm a little put off by the opinion of some present that in order to cast well you have to play well, which is obviously bull shit. One can know a lot about the game without actually having played it once. That said there are a lot of casters that simply don't put much thought and effort into their work. They don't watch and study enough scenarios to follow what is happening and why. It's like listening to a football announcer exclaim what an awesome run just happened with no one even touching the back because the back is so good when it's obvious to anyone the blocking was what made it obvious, not the back himself.
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
(And COME ON, you can't tell me day9 isn't absolutely HILARIOUS sometimes xD [daylings anyone?!)
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
i wouldnt say painful... but rather " i think im losing SC2 skills points by listening to this.."
example: zerg player (i think IdrA) was building corrupters... and HD noted on the production tab that Corrupters were in production.. but said out loud (not word for word) "i just don't see why he might be getting them, maybe for the vikings" ... when it was clear as day RIGHT NEXT TO the corrupters on the production tab was a greater spire
ofc he noticed it like 2 minutes later.. but still, little stuff like that makes it "hard" to watch because they forget about the banshees, or miss the drop, or don't see the greater spire
ya, starting off watching them might be a good idea (ish).. but if you really want games that make you go "oh ya, i guess that WOULD be a good idea" based on what the caster says, then you should be watching Day[9], Tasteless, Artosis, PsyStarcraft, Chill, iNcontroL.. etc.... not HD, Husky, (i think someone mentioned BigT, but i can't confirm this) because they usually only call out what's on screen and usually tend to follow that group of units until it becomes unactive
On September 06 2010 04:08 .ImpacT. wrote: It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
The majority of players are low calibre players, whose eyes would glaze over if confronted by highly technical analysis. Some people can't seem to distinguish the difference between 'this guy makes mistakes while casting, but hey, most of what he says is accurate' and 'this guy is totally clueless and doesn't know anything at all'. It's going to vary from caster to caster, but there are very few who are genuinely 'clueless'.
As I've said before and I'll no doubt say again in future, TL's idea of how casting works in the real world is not accurate and there is a reason an analyst is not the frontman in a commentary team.
On September 06 2010 04:08 .ImpacT. wrote: It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
The majority of players are low calibre players, whose eyes would glaze over if confronted by highly technical analysis.
As I've said before and I'll no doubt say again in future, TL's idea of how casting works in the real world is not accurate and there is a reason an analyst is not the frontman in a commentary team.
It's not that "casters shouldn't appeal to JUST the high-level players," but rather "casters should be ABLE to appeal to BOTH high-level and low-level players." Most of the current casters you see aren't able to give any in-depth analysis, so for a lot of people (esp the BW veterans that used to make up most of TL) it's more useful to mute the caster and just watch the stream. A great caster like Day[9] can give high-level analysis and appeal to low-level players who just understand the basics, wouldn't you agree?
I like when good players are casting, like Gretorp, Catz, Incontrol, Lz, ect because they really knows what they're talking about. I'd love to see more of them try casting.
On September 06 2010 04:20 Samejima wrote: I like when good players are casting, like Gretorp, Catz, Incontrol, Lz, ect because they really knows what they're talking about. I'd love to see more of them try casting.
On September 06 2010 04:08 .ImpacT. wrote: It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
The majority of players are low calibre players, whose eyes would glaze over if confronted by highly technical analysis.
As I've said before and I'll no doubt say again in future, TL's idea of how casting works in the real world is not accurate and there is a reason an analyst is not the frontman in a commentary team.
It's not that "casters shouldn't appeal to JUST the high-level players," but rather "casters should be ABLE to appeal to BOTH high-level and low-level players." Most of the current casters you see aren't able to give any in-depth analysis, so for a lot of people (esp the BW veterans that used to make up most of TL) it's more useful to mute the caster and just watch the stream. A great caster like Day[9] can give high-level analysis and appeal to low-level players who just understand the basics, wouldn't you agree?
A single caster cannot necessarily be all things to all men. Day9 isn't even the exception to that rule, despite the almost universal (and totally justified) love for him on TL, other areas of the internet can't stand the guy. Expecting that to happen is unrealistic, there's a reason professional sportscasters do so in teams of 2-3, not as individuals. There are some mismatched teams right now that could use a rethink. In an ideal world, they would appeal to both high and low level players but in reality that's much harder to do than it sounds and no, Day9 has not achieved that yet in the manner in which you describe. He has some low-level appeal, but far less than HD and Husky have, who are in turn also watched by some high level players, but not necessarily as many as watch Day9. You're asking for some perfect omni-caster that doesn't actually exist, the Jesus Christ of shoutcasting.
Day9, his commentaries are hilarious while still very informative and 'deep'(for lack of better word). I like all the others(except artosis when he's commenting a game including idra), and I loved husky and hd esp. much when I was a bit never to the game, but they often are just incorrect and it happens a bit to often for my taste where I'm watching the minimap seeing 2 armies clashing and they are commenting on something that doesn't matter at all really.
On September 06 2010 04:23 Zarahtra wrote: Day9, his commentaries are hilarious while still very informative and 'deep'(for lack of better word). I like all the others(except artosis when he's commenting a game including idra), and I loved husky and hd esp. much when I was a bit never to the game, but they often are just incorrect and it happens a bit to often for my taste where I'm watching the minimap seeing 2 armies clashing and they are commenting on something that doesn't matter at all really.
Or when they miss a game-changing drop because Husky is too busy looking at the PandaBearGuy in Sc2.... >_>
Edit: And then have the nerve to act so nonchalant about it. "Oh I guess I missed this drop over here, it did a lot of damage, but hey, that's OK!" *Facepalm*
Amazing how day9 has shot up in the world of commentators. I liked him from the start but i never thought he would overtake the storm observer! Either way mrs plott must have put gosu powder in the kids cereal :p
all my favourite casters from sc2gg seem to have resigned. Only greth and moletrap still cast. TT But from the list above my favourite is Husky. Day9 is way better in his daily. He is a good caster, but not the best.
I voted other just because I like several on the list, and some not on the list. It would be an injustice to the others for me to vote just one. Besides some play entirely different roles, depending on if I'm in the mood for entertainment first or analysis/learning first.
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
(And COME ON, you can't tell me day9 isn't absolutely HILARIOUS sometimes xD [daylings anyone?!)
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
(And COME ON, you can't tell me day9 isn't absolutely HILARIOUS sometimes xD [daylings anyone?!)
...So many people arguing with the almighty Totalbiscuit. I am pretty sure he knows what hes talking about and has much more experience with this type of stuff in the gaming community. You people should actually listen to what he has to say and think about it, because he is right.
I wonder if the usual Korean casters spoke directly in English, whether they would be accused of talking too much nonsense, and being more entertaining than informative. PLAGUU! Riburiburibu
I think all the casters out there deserve some credit. To spend soo much time on the game and the vids and then distributing the content to the masses shows a lot of dedication. I dont care if casters make mistakes when commentating. The fact that they commentate at all for zero profit is admireble.
I voted Day9 but I like pretty much every caster that I´ve watched. They all have their pro´s and cons imo.
Totally new to sc2 and rts in general. I find day9's casting the best. Calm and collected, with good insight into strategy, is more interesting to me than screaming whenever there is an engagement.
wow, plot brothers are dominating this poll..rightfully so tho. I find most casters really lacking in knowledge about the game, because they are railbirds and not players (not always, but often) you really need to be a player to understand some moves and reasonings behind them, and maybe explain possible outcomes etc instead of just having enthusiasm and wow:ing over every move
edit: dnt wanna hate to much, I like all casters because they bring us games and even the bad ones are good for the comunity keep up the work!
On September 06 2010 09:28 WaZuP wrote: good that day9 video hat me laughing so hard :D
voted others because ma fav is definitly gretorp. playin and commentating over it at the same time is just da best
eventhough I voted for tasteless (sc1 progame commentary in english is priceless) I like gretorps style a lot, he also has very good synergy with day9 :-)
but playing and at the same time casting his games is epic: ) his stream is awsome.
also no doubt the best player including all the ppl in that poll.
Husky above HD? TL, I'm dissapoint...ed. (voted for Day[9] though. I am aware Tasteless is probably better, but I just haven't watched many games with him casting whereas day9 is everything I watch these days )
On September 06 2010 04:23 Zarahtra wrote: Day9, his commentaries are hilarious while still very informative and 'deep'(for lack of better word). I like all the others(except artosis when he's commenting a game including idra), and I loved husky and hd esp. much when I was a bit never to the game, but they often are just incorrect and it happens a bit to often for my taste where I'm watching the minimap seeing 2 armies clashing and they are commenting on something that doesn't matter at all really.
Or when they miss a game-changing drop because Husky is too busy looking at the PandaBearGuy in Sc2.... >_>
Edit: And then have the nerve to act so nonchalant about it. "Oh I guess I missed this drop over here, it did a lot of damage, but hey, that's OK!" *Facepalm*
This x10 "while I was watching the calf I missed three battles and a drop. oh well"
I've only heard commentaries by Day9, Husky, and HD. I know of a few more.
I wish this poll let you vote twice, once for Day9 (duh) and once for someone else.
In which case I'd vote for Husky, for pure entertainment value. He doesn't offer deep analysis but he doesn't pretend to be a huge expert either. The whole Pylo the Pylon thing made me nearly fall off my chair, my wife thought I was nuts.
EDIT:
On September 06 2010 09:55 Oglokoog wrote: Husky above HD? TL, I'm dissapoint...ed.
I dunno, I prefer "STOOOOOOOOOOORMS" to "Ladies and gentlemen, I have to say I don't quite agree with these top level players not walling their ramps" in a frickin TvP.
I ultimately voted for psystarcraft but I felt like voting for HD. HD is my second favorite caster and I cant beleive he is so low down but even more bewildering is that he is below Husky. Even though im subscribed to husky too, I just dont understand how his style of commentary can be so popular.
Errr, I understand the appeal of Day9, I really do, but I just don't listen he's that entertaining. Blasphemy! You say, but that's the truth. People say its an educational experience as well, but I hardly learn anything new from him 'The Professor'.
So I guess Husky would be my favorite caster for now, at least until Moletrap starts casting SC2. He's just an entertaining guy.
Also, although I rarely listen to SaharaDrac, his casts are always hilarious. He definitely should be bigger in my opinion.
I voted psy starcraft however i consider day9 just as good.
I curious why the community has embraced husky and HD so much. I find husky entertaining but his rants generally miss a lot of the match. He also lacks knowledge of the game. HD has a nice announcer voice but lacks concepts of the game. He admittedly plays about one game a week. HD is also breaking his videos into 8 min parts, even though his youtube partnership allows him to create a single video file. I guess they cater to more of the casual starcraft enthusiast.
I like any commentator that is very knowledgeable, speaks clearly, and has passion. I voted for artosis just because I think he deserves more love on this poll. I mean, the guy had his own weekly starcraft news show for crying out loud.
On September 06 2010 16:07 Vokasak wrote: Have you guys read the comments for the GSL VODs on Gom's site? It's full of Youtube nerds saying Tasteless and Artosis are bad casters. >:[
I'm sure both of them wouldn't protest to such qualification, based only on the two short matches on the first day of GSL. Sit back and relax, it's going to be a long ride, and the quality of the event'll improve.
Not really a great timing for such a poll since most of the major NA/EU SC2 casting has featured Day9 in some way, not to mention his popularity from doing his Dailies. So it's kinda a given that he will win since he has just had more exposure.
Not to say he doesn't deserve to be rated highly it's just that so many people won't have even heard of some people on that list it's going to be a little biased.
Hilarious, so many people forget that there are others who watch casters for entertainement value, not for gameanalysis. I'm going for Day9 in this one, at MLG he showed that he is very good at killing filler and is general very passionate about the game^^
why is artosis so low T_T I'm gona wote for him only because of that even if I think both day9 and tasteless is better. But Artosis is atleast at the same level as chill.
On September 06 2010 18:37 RaZzy wrote: Day9 is for the hardcore community. Although I like his casts, I can't get my brother or friends to watch him (casual gamers).
Husky & HD would be better commentators for tv (the casual player) in the long run and Day9 for post-analysis.
I disagree, Day9 is mostly for helping beginners & giving very general strategy tips.
On September 06 2010 18:37 RaZzy wrote: Day9 is for the hardcore community. Although I like his casts, I can't get my brother or friends to watch him (casual gamers).
Husky & HD would be better commentators for tv (the casual player) in the long run and Day9 for post-analysis.
I disagree, Day9 is mostly for helping beginners & giving very general strategy tips.
because Fast expand protoss in PvT strategies are for beginners.
After watching the AugustWeRRa vs. oGsLeader game on Lost Temple again I am kinda confirming my opinion that Tasteless + Artosis are really bad as commentators (maybe its the combination?). Just watch it and listen to them blabbering on about SOMETHING ... they see the terran Starport - and totally miss the Fusion Core (65 sec build time) AND the Battlecruiser (90 sec build time) being built there - while blabbering on about Banshees and Ravens only to be totally surprised by seeing the finished thing. The Korean commentator got all of the important details though and actually clicked on the buildings.
EDIT: Game 3 in that series the BC gets noticed at about 95% completion by the "dynamic duo" ...
Day9 is probably the most knowledgable and he's a funny guy, but I tend to get a lot from PsyStarcraft too (I found out about him from TL.net, so thanks for pointing me in that direction!).
While I find Day9 to be generally informative, PsyStarcraft explains things from a Zerg perspective and that really makes the difference for me (I'm a Zerg through and through).
Plus, PsyStarcraft is a funny guy, like all Zergs probably are. Yeah, I said it.
On September 09 2010 02:35 Rabiator wrote: After watching the AugustWeRRa vs. oGsLeader game on Lost Temple again I am kinda confirming my opinion that Tasteless + Artosis are really bad as commentators (maybe its the combination?). Just watch it and listen to them blabbering on about SOMETHING ... they see the terran Starport - and totally miss the Fusion Core (65 sec build time) AND the Battlecruiser (90 sec build time) being built there - while blabbering on about Banshees and Ravens only to be totally surprised by seeing the finished thing. The Korean commentator got all of the important details though and actually clicked on the buildings.
EDIT: Game 3 in that series the BC gets noticed at about 95% completion by the "dynamic duo" ...
It happens to the best of us.
I do agree that sometimes Artosis and Tasteless seem... too comfortable? I can't explain it. It sometimes seems like they're not at work, they're just having a conversation and Starcraft happens to be playing in the background while they continue down random tangents. I definitely noticed it in the TSL, but it was less prevalent at Blizzcon.
But it works both ways, because sometimes the tangents are fucking hilarious and I can't believe the shit they are coming up with it's so funny.
I think give them another week together before you sell them down the river. I am extremely confident that they'll find their perfect stride together in the GSL.
Tasteless for me. i know this isnt part of the thread but this is a side note / i dont like raelcun because he thinks he knows alot about the game. but when im watching him and i use common sense and im like " yeah i dont think thats it"
Of course Tasteless is awesome too. Day9 is unbelievable if it comes to replay analysis, but for an live event I'd choose one of the above.
Husky has so much raw potential as a caster, awesome voice, can get you really hyped - but he just totally lacks gameknowledge, its like a silver league player trying to explain what and why a Progamer does this and that...
Artosis Husky would be a great combination if Tasteless gets sick - they defnitly would complement each other well.
Edit: oh fuck yeah, where is Take in this Poll? There has never been an ballsier troll when it came to player interviews.
Have you no shame?! How do you even dare not including the Klazart?!!
But seriously tho, I'd say Chill since the others listed tend to ramble too much and miss stuff, at least in my observations. Not that ramblings a bad thing generally =)
Though I love Day9 and Husky too equally, I will never love any of them as much as Psy, who is just brilliant to listen to.
I think it's a bit silly tbh, who you like as a caster depends at least as much on their voice as their actual casting ability. So yeah, that's why I don't really like HD and Raelcun.
Also, after listening to a few games of GSL, I *really* didn't like the Tasteless/Artosis casting. Don't know why, they just talk about random stuff, often over each other, and miss out on important things. I mean nobody is flawless, and I *love* it when casters are funny, but come on, this is the GSL, pay attention to some of the best games any of us have ever seen
xHydrax should really get a mention for bringing the western community some awesome korean games, which other casters are doing more of too, but still I think it's really important showing korean replays, as it's basically a way of communicating between korea and the west, and we want SC2 to be a global thing.
And AskJoshy should get a mention too, he's a pretty good caster
Out of those options gotta choose day[9] followed by tastosis. I really enjoyed incontrol and Lz combo in the showmatch today though. Raelcun and josh make a good combo aswell. Martijn is quite good aswell although he always seems to be more of a sidekick.
Tasteless is funny, but he can get off topic a lot of the times when it comes to commentating. Day 9 is more focused, funny, and also very educational. I'd say Day 9. Another one of my favorites is Moletrap. Love that guys commentaries
It really depends what you like and what you're in the mood for. When I want to just sit back and be entertained, I really think Husky is the best - he makes the game enjoyable and easy to watch. Day9 is more knowledgeable obviously, but I feel like I can never turn my brain off when I watch him cast.
Artosis isn't getting enough love here, and while I haven't heard all that much from him in SC2 other than the GSL, as a Brood War commentator he was unmatched in terms of depth of knowledge (and righteous anti-protoss rage), and I've been an avid fan going all the way back to Ascension. His casts of those games are what got me into pro starcraft back in the day.
Cheers for an amazing contribution to the community, Artosis.
I'm surprised how low Artosis is on this list...the guy is hilarious, and his sc2 knowledge is top notch. Yeah, he can be biased and can come off as kinda whinny at times, but that's part of his "act" and I personally love him for it. He and Tasteless have some awesome banter, but Artosis gets my vote.
Husky becuse of humor. Day[9] becuse of knowledge and humor.
I voted Husky thou but tbh i dont like the style he has on his channel after the game went live. To few games and to much commercials about crap.
HD i dont like much, no humor, no knowledge, WAY to many "how to make an SCV as terran" videos and to few videos even thou he does put up more of them than husky. But he has his "wth is going on now? why is he putting down a spinecrawler, is he afraid of phoenixes?!?" moments when someone is making a spinecrawler becuse someone is making an attack on the person.
Tasteless/Psy i put even below HD becuse i find them not entertaining enough.
Then everyone else that i have heard can fight over the scraps.
Edit: Yes i value entertainment above pro-knowledge. I play the game, i see what is happening i dont need someone like crota (*brrr*) to tell me that a marine is attacking a roach and that another marine is also attacking it when it is on the middle of the damn screen!
On September 09 2010 11:32 SuperGnu wrote: Husky becuse of humor. Day[9] becuse of knowledge and humor.
I voted Husky thou but tbh i dont like the style he has on his channel after the game went live. To few games and to much commercials about crap.
HD i dont like much, no humor, no knowledge, WAY to many "how to make an SCV as terran" videos and to few videos even thou he does put up more of them than husky. But he has his "wth is going on now? why is he putting down a spinecrawler, is he afraid of phoenixes?!?" moments when someone is making a spinecrawler becuse someone is making an attack on the person.
Tasteless/Psy i put even below HD becuse i find them not entertaining enough.
Then everyone else that i have heard can fight over the scraps.
Edit: Yes i value entertainment above pro-knowledge. I play the game, i see what is happening i dont need someone like crota (*brrr*) to tell me that a marine is attacking a roach and that another marine is also attacking it when it is on the middle of the damn screen!
On September 09 2010 11:32 SuperGnu wrote: Husky becuse of humor. Day[9] becuse of knowledge and humor.
I voted Husky thou but tbh i dont like the style he has on his channel after the game went live. To few games and to much commercials about crap.
HD i dont like much, no humor, no knowledge, WAY to many "how to make an SCV as terran" videos and to few videos even thou he does put up more of them than husky. But he has his "wth is going on now? why is he putting down a spinecrawler, is he afraid of phoenixes?!?" moments when someone is making a spinecrawler becuse someone is making an attack on the person.
Tasteless/Psy i put even below HD becuse i find them not entertaining enough.
Then everyone else that i have heard can fight over the scraps.
Edit: Yes i value entertainment above pro-knowledge. I play the game, i see what is happening i dont need someone like crota (*brrr*) to tell me that a marine is attacking a roach and that another marine is also attacking it when it is on the middle of the damn screen!
God dam it.
I'm speechless.
What? Do you watch any other sport to learn more about it or to be entertained? I watch to be entertained. I dont find some of the casters entertaining and some are just to anal about the mechanics of the game rather than focusing on the game it self.
Grew up on Tasteless in the GOM classics. I wish he was more available for these GOM matches but nothing will beat the nostalgia I get looking back at old seasons of Gom
I have to say that Incontrol and Lz make a good team. Both REALLY know what they're talking about and they both have really good chemistry. Incontrol is like the loud, brash guy while Lz is the more thoughtful, wait-a-minute sort of guy.
Really good cast duo especially for the recent kiwi vs dimaga showmatch. Yes even better than Day9 and all the others.
On September 09 2010 11:32 SuperGnu wrote: Husky becuse of humor. Day[9] becuse of knowledge and humor.
I voted Husky thou but tbh i dont like the style he has on his channel after the game went live. To few games and to much commercials about crap.
HD i dont like much, no humor, no knowledge, WAY to many "how to make an SCV as terran" videos and to few videos even thou he does put up more of them than husky. But he has his "wth is going on now? why is he putting down a spinecrawler, is he afraid of phoenixes?!?" moments when someone is making a spinecrawler becuse someone is making an attack on the person.
Tasteless/Psy i put even below HD becuse i find them not entertaining enough.
Then everyone else that i have heard can fight over the scraps.
Edit: Yes i value entertainment above pro-knowledge. I play the game, i see what is happening i dont need someone like crota (*brrr*) to tell me that a marine is attacking a roach and that another marine is also attacking it when it is on the middle of the damn screen!
You must have 0 sense of humor if u think Psy isn't entertaining.
Oh Ive seen tasteless' Sc1 casting but since this is in SC2 I figured it was fav sc2 caster, so again does he cast any SC2 leagues or does have have a stream or youtube that he casts/plays games on?
On September 09 2010 11:32 SuperGnu wrote: Husky becuse of humor. Day[9] becuse of knowledge and humor.
I voted Husky thou but tbh i dont like the style he has on his channel after the game went live. To few games and to much commercials about crap.
HD i dont like much, no humor, no knowledge, WAY to many "how to make an SCV as terran" videos and to few videos even thou he does put up more of them than husky. But he has his "wth is going on now? why is he putting down a spinecrawler, is he afraid of phoenixes?!?" moments when someone is making a spinecrawler becuse someone is making an attack on the person.
Tasteless/Psy i put even below HD becuse i find them not entertaining enough.
Then everyone else that i have heard can fight over the scraps.
Edit: Yes i value entertainment above pro-knowledge. I play the game, i see what is happening i dont need someone like crota (*brrr*) to tell me that a marine is attacking a roach and that another marine is also attacking it when it is on the middle of the damn screen!
You must have 0 sense of humor if u think Psy isn't entertaining.
What i have seen with him he aint that funny, i havent seen much but the things ive seen. He talk to monotonly for stuff to be funny. It is not only WHAT you say, it is also HOW you say it.
On September 09 2010 02:35 Rabiator wrote: After watching the AugustWeRRa vs. oGsLeader game on Lost Temple again I am kinda confirming my opinion that Tasteless + Artosis are really bad as commentators (maybe its the combination?). Just watch it and listen to them blabbering on about SOMETHING ... they see the terran Starport - and totally miss the Fusion Core (65 sec build time) AND the Battlecruiser (90 sec build time) being built there - while blabbering on about Banshees and Ravens only to be totally surprised by seeing the finished thing. The Korean commentator got all of the important details though and actually clicked on the buildings.
EDIT: Game 3 in that series the BC gets noticed at about 95% completion by the "dynamic duo" ...
It happens to the best of us.
I do agree that sometimes Artosis and Tasteless seem... too comfortable? I can't explain it. It sometimes seems like they're not at work, they're just having a conversation and Starcraft happens to be playing in the background while they continue down random tangents. I definitely noticed it in the TSL, but it was less prevalent at Blizzcon.
But it works both ways, because sometimes the tangents are fucking hilarious and I can't believe the shit they are coming up with it's so funny.
I think give them another week together before you sell them down the river. I am extremely confident that they'll find their perfect stride together in the GSL.
Yes, I agree that you can get very funny thing rolling while commentating the games, but I think these two have crossed the line. The games with Chipmunk were just awful when they tried to outdo each other with Chipmuk jokes and it is bad when the game gets to take a backseat over their talking. Watching for unusual things is part of the job of commentators I would presume, but they talk too much and dont look enough. I think they hardly click on production buildings to check what is coming out or even check the production tab. Else the - highly unusual - BC rush should have been noticed.
The games which TorcH casted with Tasteless on day 5 were much better, because they are not very close buddies and had to focus on the game instead of completing each others jokes.
I dont see any of the awesome Starcraft knowledge from Artosis, which he is credited with, and hear too much whining about Zerg being too weak or Terran being OP. That is actually pretty depressing after they both talk about "Protoss favored maps" in BW tournaments and then dont make the jump from that to conclude that the current SC2 maps are hampering Zerg. On your regular american sports commentary one commentator of a duo is "supposed to be" cheering for one side and the other for the other side, but Tasteless just agrees with Artosis on the topic of whining and that makes it rather boring.
As with everything in life the dosis is the key to making a thing bad. As Paracelsus said 500 years ago: All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous. More game analysis and less buddy talk please.
I'd probably say Husky is the funniest, but Day9 is very good at explaining the game and assessing the thought process of players and pretty funny too.
It's hard for me to listen to anyone but Day. He still misses plenty of stuff and is wrong about other things *gasp* ya.. but in those instances I know I'm right, so w/e.
But most everyone else doesn't even come close to knowing what's going on. He probably misses/messes up those things trying to cater to the entire spectrum of his audience, and I'm fine with that, he gets most things right, and I appreciate it.
It just makes my ears bleed when a caster exclaims, "I just don't see how the [insert race] can come back from this one!" when it's that guy that is ahead. :/
Psy, he is a great commentator also good at Starcraft. And for most of those commentators, Both things don't go hand in hand. Although he doesn't have the professionalism in commentating, his personal style is very captivating.
Psy, he is a great commentator also good at Starcraft. And for most of those commentators, Both things don't go hand in hand. Although he doesn't have the professionalism in commentating, his personal style is very captivating.
On September 09 2010 11:32 SuperGnu wrote: Husky becuse of humor. Day[9] becuse of knowledge and humor.
I voted Husky thou but tbh i dont like the style he has on his channel after the game went live. To few games and to much commercials about crap.
HD i dont like much, no humor, no knowledge, WAY to many "how to make an SCV as terran" videos and to few videos even thou he does put up more of them than husky. But he has his "wth is going on now? why is he putting down a spinecrawler, is he afraid of phoenixes?!?" moments when someone is making a spinecrawler becuse someone is making an attack on the person.
Tasteless/Psy i put even below HD becuse i find them not entertaining enough.
Then everyone else that i have heard can fight over the scraps.
Edit: Yes i value entertainment above pro-knowledge. I play the game, i see what is happening i dont need someone like crota (*brrr*) to tell me that a marine is attacking a roach and that another marine is also attacking it when it is on the middle of the damn screen!
You must have 0 sense of humor if u think Psy isn't entertaining.
What i have seen with him he aint that funny, i havent seen much but the things ive seen. He talk to monotonly for stuff to be funny. It is not only WHAT you say, it is also HOW you say it.
I agree with you there, which is the reason if DO find Psy so hilarious. If you haven't noticed he has extremely dry humor which fits perfectly with the monotone tone of his voice. Watch him again and if you still don't find him funny I agree with what EternaLEnVy said.
Seriously, I love that accent and his jokes are just the right amount of cheesyness. He also has rage fits sometimes which are very human of him, not to mention he used to be a coach in PL which gives him an edge against any other ENGLISH caster.
On September 14 2010 03:37 waffling1 wrote: HD, and DJ wheat chill are annoying
What? Please make a comprehensive sentence.
And I voted for Psy. I got late into his YouTube channel but god damn it, that guy is really funny and incredible informative, especially if you're a Zerg player. He's really darn good as a player as well and I don't think he really complains about imbalance at all, even though you'd expect it from him ;P
But he isn't necessarily my one and only favorite.
Day9, the casting Archon and djWheat are up there as well. Oh and to some extent you just gotta love TheGunrun^^
You should put Trump in here, tho I think he only casts games every now and then, the mixture of his smoth chilling voice combined with Cold Precision and expertise could even give him the edge about Day9. /discuss!
Tasteless just has "the sauce." He and Artosis have really impressed me with their casting in the GSL. I find it awesome that Artosis is participating in the tournament himself. Definitely my favorite casting duo right now. Day[9] will always have my nerd heart though.
i voted for husky because he's entertaining, though if i could vote for two people i'd also vote for day9 because he's informative.
not sure why anyone would vote for hd though; he's the opposite of both entertaining and informative: annoying and frequently wrong.
"heeeeeeey there ladies and gentlemen" "today we are going to be looking at another zerg vs. terran" *fake grunge voice* "there's action going on all across the map" "he has too many drones at this point, i think he needs to consider throwing his drones" "while i take a sip of water" "great control here from both these players" "at this point it's anyone's game" "protoss can really abuse that high ground against zerg" "zerg can really make use of those infestors against terran" *smacks lips* "the immortal -- excuse me, the viking -- excuse me, the colossus" "the protoss needs to get void rays" "this is a very nice synergist -- synergenetic -- synergistic setup..."
And I voted for Psy. I got late into his YouTube channel but god damn it, that guy is really funny and incredible informative, especially if you're a Zerg player. He's really darn good as a player as well and I don't think he really complains about imbalance at all, even though you'd expect it from him ;P
Oh yeah he does. He just doesn't make it his raison d'etre like some.
I also voted for Psy. This guy deserves more attention. I wish he'd have been a little more outspoken on the SotG, but I understand it's probably hard over skype with certain other people being who those certain other people are.
On September 14 2010 06:56 Chopin wrote: Wth. artosis so low? something is wrong!
I think he would be a lot higher if the poll was more recent. I was REALLY impressed with his casting in the GSL and he's moved up to #1 for me at this point in time.
day9 knows how to keep it exciting. Only problem is he tends to hog the mic, but it's understandable. HD, Husky, and Artosis don't really do it for me. GSL was the only time I've seen Tasteless so no comment there.
Yeah after GSL, Tasteosis and Day9 are on pretty equal footing for me. I'm finding it more and more difficult to listen to the other community casters.
I voted for HD, because I felt that his position on the poll was most disproportionate with how much I like him as a caster.
Day9 and Tasteless are both great, but they're already up top so they don't need anymore votes!
One thing I will say is that no matter who the caster(s), a duo is always more entertaining than one guy talking to himself. Note to solo casters - practice two different voices, so you can pretend that you're two people when casting alone.
How is Husky over Artosis? Seriously... Artosis is smart as hell and directly understands what is happening. On the other hand I feel a need to shout sometimes as I see Husky directly missinterpreting what is happening. Other than that, he´s a cool caster with a likeable voice.
TL ADMINS: There should be a special kind of poll so that you can vote in order of preference.
I voted for Day9, but Artosis is right up there. Also when I voted for Day9 I'd only seen Artosis's interviews on youtube which are fairly lame compared to him casting in the GSL.
Artosis is my favorite, even though as a Terran, I have to suck up all his tears.
He definitely knows the game well, and he knows most of the pro's, their styles, their personality, and their history. GSL would not have been the same without Artosis.
I vote HD for play by play and because he gets no love here. Play by play guys are professional sounding with a nice voice and good vocabulary which he has and why he is popular at YT. They are not necessarily players even in the professional sportscasting world on TV.
If HD had more votes I'd pick PSY. Love that guy, the knowledge, tutorials, and games but I think he casts a little too much of self...
On October 08 2010 14:36 gautamvirk86 wrote: well i like Day9 n Husky, but i choose husky cuz he had less votes, I feel for em. Plus i nevr saw nany of tasteless's VOD so that all my fault.
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
WCG commentators: "Oh wow... He's making marines... oh boy they can shoot BOTH air AND ground"
Don't you even dare to tell me he can't commentate because he doesn't know the game !111
I don't knw why the hell you bring up "uber high knowledge of the game". It's basic RTS knowledge... How do you think people like Nada or Flash become good at bw/sc2? Definetly not because they have list of build orders in their head and insane 600 APM. It's because they have strategy. Any commentator that fails to point out strategy is a failure and just makes people watching starcraft2 think "oh this game blows it's all about being really fast" or something like that.
You're not bad at this game, but not great either. You fail to understand people who have been watching starcraft for quite some years and blame your incoherence on them being "elitist". Keep going like that and you will get nowhere with your casting. That is all.
Don't you think that it is very unpolite of you to ask in a public poll who's the better caster when these guys are reading the forum ? I do really find these flat, cold numbers and percentages on the front page very vexing for all these awsome guys providing us free and passionate casts.
On October 09 2010 21:48 NewbiZ wrote: Don't you think that it is very unpolite of you to ask in a public poll who's the better caster when these guys are reading the forum ? I do really find these flat, cold numbers and percentages on the front page very vexing for all these awsome guys providing us free and passionate casts.
Appreciate what you're saying, but I think most of us know it's part of the job. You put yourself out there knowing you're going to be publicly scrutinized.
Who are the highest ranked casters? I know PsY (PsYStarcraft) is definitely among the highest. Artosis is probably up there but I don't know his character name & code to check. Any others?
I voted for Day9 BUT at that point I didnt hear much of Artosis. I must say, his improvement over the course of the GSL was really noticeable. What stood out to me was the emotion that he poured into Fruitdealer Vs. LiveForever Game one on Metaloposis. Hes def. one of my favorites now.
Jesus, Chill and Artosis have less votes than Husky and Psy? That's just disgusting.
Chill and Artosis' knowledge of the game are top-notch and Artosis especially impressed me during the GSL with his picking up of various tiny strategic details. Husky is some youtube entertainer that makes jokes to fill the time and is more of a comedian than anything resembling an analyst.
Chill is invisible. I hear his great, his oldschool, but he doesnt actually cast anything.
And theres no need to be bummed out if youre a caster and you dont got many votes. Doesnt mean ppl hate you, just that the have another favourite.
I really really really like a lot of the "newer" casters like Makh, the iccup and glhf guys... I feel really wierd watching HD and husky now. In the beta, they were the shit but even though I still like them. I just keep asking myself why they have 300.000 subs while so many that work so hard have a 100th of that.
Day 9 seems to be leagues ahead of all the others, I feel like he's the only one who I never beat to an observation or prediction, not that I'm smarter than any of them, I just occasionally notice stuff on mini map that they haven't or something like that. HD and Husky are great too even though they get a lot of shit thrown their way, they are just geared towards a wider audience, e.g., players and those who just enjoy watching.
Urrh, I'm just going to chime in with the "Why is Artosis so low?!" crowd. He's awesome, I wish there were more than one option : / Day9 then Artosis or Tasteless , too hard to decide. Nothing bad to say about the rest, it's all about what you prefer I guess. Day9 is my idol though <3.