On September 06 2010 04:20 Samejima wrote: I like when good players are casting, like Gretorp, Catz, Incontrol, Lz, ect because they really knows what they're talking about. I'd love to see more of them try casting.
On September 06 2010 04:08 .ImpacT. wrote: It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
The majority of players are low calibre players, whose eyes would glaze over if confronted by highly technical analysis.
As I've said before and I'll no doubt say again in future, TL's idea of how casting works in the real world is not accurate and there is a reason an analyst is not the frontman in a commentary team.
It's not that "casters shouldn't appeal to JUST the high-level players," but rather "casters should be ABLE to appeal to BOTH high-level and low-level players." Most of the current casters you see aren't able to give any in-depth analysis, so for a lot of people (esp the BW veterans that used to make up most of TL) it's more useful to mute the caster and just watch the stream. A great caster like Day[9] can give high-level analysis and appeal to low-level players who just understand the basics, wouldn't you agree?
A single caster cannot necessarily be all things to all men. Day9 isn't even the exception to that rule, despite the almost universal (and totally justified) love for him on TL, other areas of the internet can't stand the guy. Expecting that to happen is unrealistic, there's a reason professional sportscasters do so in teams of 2-3, not as individuals. There are some mismatched teams right now that could use a rethink. In an ideal world, they would appeal to both high and low level players but in reality that's much harder to do than it sounds and no, Day9 has not achieved that yet in the manner in which you describe. He has some low-level appeal, but far less than HD and Husky have, who are in turn also watched by some high level players, but not necessarily as many as watch Day9. You're asking for some perfect omni-caster that doesn't actually exist, the Jesus Christ of shoutcasting.
Day9, his commentaries are hilarious while still very informative and 'deep'(for lack of better word). I like all the others(except artosis when he's commenting a game including idra), and I loved husky and hd esp. much when I was a bit never to the game, but they often are just incorrect and it happens a bit to often for my taste where I'm watching the minimap seeing 2 armies clashing and they are commenting on something that doesn't matter at all really.
On September 06 2010 04:23 Zarahtra wrote: Day9, his commentaries are hilarious while still very informative and 'deep'(for lack of better word). I like all the others(except artosis when he's commenting a game including idra), and I loved husky and hd esp. much when I was a bit never to the game, but they often are just incorrect and it happens a bit to often for my taste where I'm watching the minimap seeing 2 armies clashing and they are commenting on something that doesn't matter at all really.
Or when they miss a game-changing drop because Husky is too busy looking at the PandaBearGuy in Sc2.... >_>
Edit: And then have the nerve to act so nonchalant about it. "Oh I guess I missed this drop over here, it did a lot of damage, but hey, that's OK!" *Facepalm*
Amazing how day9 has shot up in the world of commentators. I liked him from the start but i never thought he would overtake the storm observer! Either way mrs plott must have put gosu powder in the kids cereal :p
all my favourite casters from sc2gg seem to have resigned. Only greth and moletrap still cast. TT But from the list above my favourite is Husky. Day9 is way better in his daily. He is a good caster, but not the best.
I voted other just because I like several on the list, and some not on the list. It would be an injustice to the others for me to vote just one. Besides some play entirely different roles, depending on if I'm in the mood for entertainment first or analysis/learning first.
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
(And COME ON, you can't tell me day9 isn't absolutely HILARIOUS sometimes xD [daylings anyone?!)
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
(And COME ON, you can't tell me day9 isn't absolutely HILARIOUS sometimes xD [daylings anyone?!)
...So many people arguing with the almighty Totalbiscuit. I am pretty sure he knows what hes talking about and has much more experience with this type of stuff in the gaming community. You people should actually listen to what he has to say and think about it, because he is right.
I wonder if the usual Korean casters spoke directly in English, whether they would be accused of talking too much nonsense, and being more entertaining than informative. PLAGUU! Riburiburibu
I think all the casters out there deserve some credit. To spend soo much time on the game and the vids and then distributing the content to the masses shows a lot of dedication. I dont care if casters make mistakes when commentating. The fact that they commentate at all for zero profit is admireble.
I voted Day9 but I like pretty much every caster that I´ve watched. They all have their pro´s and cons imo.
Totally new to sc2 and rts in general. I find day9's casting the best. Calm and collected, with good insight into strategy, is more interesting to me than screaming whenever there is an engagement.
wow, plot brothers are dominating this poll..rightfully so tho. I find most casters really lacking in knowledge about the game, because they are railbirds and not players (not always, but often) you really need to be a player to understand some moves and reasonings behind them, and maybe explain possible outcomes etc instead of just having enthusiasm and wow:ing over every move
edit: dnt wanna hate to much, I like all casters because they bring us games and even the bad ones are good for the comunity keep up the work!