On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
None of the other casters know what they're talking about or cast about anything other than what they can directly see is happening.
Best example: BigT vs BiggerT. Chill's cast involved more than just what was going on (this guy is expanding, ooohh big battle, I think _ is gonna win, oops I'm wrong... that kind of stuff); he gave relevant information concerning the builds that the players were doing, how one player could put himself in an advantageous position if he did _, how the map affects certain types of play in that matchup, etc.
HD, Husky, etc. are great casters in the sense that they articulate well, and are very enthusiastic, but it really takes a high level player to cast a high level game.
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
None of the other casters know what they're talking about or cast about anything other than what they can directly see is happening.
Best example: BigT vs BiggerT. Chill's cast involved more than just what was going on (this guy is expanding, ooohh big battle, I think _ is gonna win, oops I'm wrong... that kind of stuff); he gave relevant information concerning the builds that the players were doing, how one player could put himself in an advantageous position if he did _, how the map affects certain types of play in that matchup, etc.
HD, Husky, etc. are great casters in the sense that they articulate well, and are very enthusiastic, but it really takes a high level player to cast a high level game.
For one thing that's nonsense, not having uber-high level analytical knowledge is not the same as 'not having a clue when they're talking about'. TL's definition of 'knowing what you're talking about' seems to be 'go into everything that's going on in extreme, technical detail and never make an incorrect call', as if there are only two states of casting, that and 'not knowing what he's talking about', rather than many, many shades of grey.
I'd also like to point out that 'you need to be a high level player to cast a high level game' is also nonsense, since that does not apply to actual sports. Your ex-player/manager will provide analysis and some colour in a professional commentary team but will also play second chair to your play-by-play commentator who is the real broadcast personality and usually has the best broadcasting voice and experience.
TL's impression of what casting requires does not mesh with the reality of casting, which is totally understandable since it's a high-level, competitive community, but they should also realise they are the minority, as are their opinions on the matter and one need only look at the numbers to actually see that in action.
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
Day9 was an obvious winner without even looking, his popularity runs high in these parts and with good reason in my opinion. Tasteless being second makes sense for similar reasons. Psy I'm a little shocked at, not because I don't think he's good I love him, I just didn't think he was that popular here.
I'm a little put off by the opinion of some present that in order to cast well you have to play well, which is obviously bull shit. One can know a lot about the game without actually having played it once. That said there are a lot of casters that simply don't put much thought and effort into their work. They don't watch and study enough scenarios to follow what is happening and why. It's like listening to a football announcer exclaim what an awesome run just happened with no one even touching the back because the back is so good when it's obvious to anyone the blocking was what made it obvious, not the back himself.
On September 06 2010 04:01 Mastermind wrote: lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
So basically, you're flying in the face of not only the numbers which pretty clearly prove that the TL opinion is the minority opinion, but also how real world broadcasting teams actually work?
Cool, I guess some disgruntled TL guys know better than the BBC and ESPN and more to the point, the audience that is clearly gravitating towards high-energy play-by-play more than they are analytical high-level material I realise that saying this in TL is the equivalent of preaching womens rights in a Taliban commanders meeting, but in general, TL has a very different view to the rest of the community on what does and does not constitute clueless and they are very much in the minority.
It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
(And COME ON, you can't tell me day9 isn't absolutely HILARIOUS sometimes xD [daylings anyone?!)
On September 06 2010 03:46 NuKedUFirst wrote: day[9], Tasteless, chill, artosis and sometimes the IccupTV team.. The rest are clueless. They have no clue what is going on. It's like i get worse watching them cast..
And you wonder why the majority of the SC2 playerbase don't post on TL when they're likely to be clobbered in the head with this kind of elitist nonsense
lol? What he is saying is absolutely not nonsense. 90% of the casters are clueless. In order to be a good commentator you need to be good at the game. It is painful listening to guys like husky and hd.
i wouldnt say painful... but rather " i think im losing SC2 skills points by listening to this.."
example: zerg player (i think IdrA) was building corrupters... and HD noted on the production tab that Corrupters were in production.. but said out loud (not word for word) "i just don't see why he might be getting them, maybe for the vikings" ... when it was clear as day RIGHT NEXT TO the corrupters on the production tab was a greater spire
ofc he noticed it like 2 minutes later.. but still, little stuff like that makes it "hard" to watch because they forget about the banshees, or miss the drop, or don't see the greater spire
ya, starting off watching them might be a good idea (ish).. but if you really want games that make you go "oh ya, i guess that WOULD be a good idea" based on what the caster says, then you should be watching Day[9], Tasteless, Artosis, PsyStarcraft, Chill, iNcontroL.. etc.... not HD, Husky, (i think someone mentioned BigT, but i can't confirm this) because they usually only call out what's on screen and usually tend to follow that group of units until it becomes unactive
On September 06 2010 04:08 .ImpacT. wrote: It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
The majority of players are low calibre players, whose eyes would glaze over if confronted by highly technical analysis. Some people can't seem to distinguish the difference between 'this guy makes mistakes while casting, but hey, most of what he says is accurate' and 'this guy is totally clueless and doesn't know anything at all'. It's going to vary from caster to caster, but there are very few who are genuinely 'clueless'.
As I've said before and I'll no doubt say again in future, TL's idea of how casting works in the real world is not accurate and there is a reason an analyst is not the frontman in a commentary team.
On September 06 2010 04:08 .ImpacT. wrote: It's because most people who watch HD/Husky are low-caliber players, so when Husky says something completely WRONG (go watch a video, it's amazing how many times I facepalm), they have no idea. Where-as a higher caliber player would, well, facepalm.
They -ARE- funny however, I'll give them that.
Day9 is great for higher caliber players because he provides insight into the game, as well as does a great job commentating. Tasteless is well, tastelesss. ^_^
The majority of players are low calibre players, whose eyes would glaze over if confronted by highly technical analysis.
As I've said before and I'll no doubt say again in future, TL's idea of how casting works in the real world is not accurate and there is a reason an analyst is not the frontman in a commentary team.
It's not that "casters shouldn't appeal to JUST the high-level players," but rather "casters should be ABLE to appeal to BOTH high-level and low-level players." Most of the current casters you see aren't able to give any in-depth analysis, so for a lot of people (esp the BW veterans that used to make up most of TL) it's more useful to mute the caster and just watch the stream. A great caster like Day[9] can give high-level analysis and appeal to low-level players who just understand the basics, wouldn't you agree?
I like when good players are casting, like Gretorp, Catz, Incontrol, Lz, ect because they really knows what they're talking about. I'd love to see more of them try casting.