Now there are so many good european zergs and all korean zergs suck xd
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HappyZerGling
Ukraine161 Posts
Now there are so many good european zergs and all korean zergs suck xd | ||
BigJoe
United States210 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:11 BigJoe wrote: it may just be possible that koreans like playing terran more than the other 2 races? i saw that the other day and thought it was pretty crazy. but i still dont consider the game to be imba or anything but who knows That's only recent. Used to be Protoss was #1 played then Zerg, then Terran last at grandmaster in Korea. Terran still dominated ladder then. I wonder why there are more % of terran player now? http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/kr/1/all Some pros have switched as well such as byun and others to ride the strong horse. | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:11 BigJoe wrote: it may just be possible that koreans like playing terran more than the other 2 races? i saw that the other day and thought it was pretty crazy. but i still dont consider the game to be imba or anything but who knows its reasonable to assume that koreans being better + close spawns on ladder maps (+ blizz being ok with <50 second rush distances) would leave to a higher terran population on the korean ladder because they are able to abuse the timings better. that being said 20 people per region is still a shit sample | ||
Zowon
Norway237 Posts
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TraneMason
Germany17 Posts
I think balance discussions are really hard at the moment. It seems as if Terran is dominating Korea, but all these major wins look very well deserved to me. The game feels very balanced to me, despite of being volatile at times (PvZ, ZvP). | ||
aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:56 tdt wrote: That's only recent. Used to be Protoss was #1 played then Zerg, then Terran last at grandmaster in Korea. Terran still dominated ladder then. I wonder why there are more % of terran player now? http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/kr/1/all Some pros have switched as well such as byun and others to ride the strong horse. You mean how he race switched back in NOVEMBER?! The game is much different now. Since about 2 or 3 months after release, the top of the Korean ladder has been dominated by Terrans. GM in Korea has ALWAYS been overpopulated with Terrans. To say otherwise is blatant lies and misinformation. | ||
QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 15 2011 01:28 aksfjh wrote: You mean how he race switched back in NOVEMBER?! The game is much different now. Since about 2 or 3 months after release, the top of the Korean ladder has been dominated by Terrans. GM in Korea has ALWAYS been overpopulated with Terrans. To say otherwise is blatant lies and misinformation. Only since patch 1.3 this is true. Select older times on link I provided. eg http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/kr/1/all/0/120 Most played protoss at the top, You better check you facts before calling people liars or at least provide contradictory evidence. Furthermore they did not have GM until 1.3.3. | ||
emc
United States3088 Posts
It's interesting that the Super Tournament top 8 pretty much reflected the top 8 of korean ladder percentage wise. There were 6 terrans in top 8, 75% of top 8 being terran and on ladder the top 20 is 85% terran and as I post, top 8 on ladder is %100 terran! | ||
ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7645 Posts
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Poopi
France12467 Posts
most of the ladder maps favor terran : 90% of time close position TvX favors terran (10% are that you can somehow die to weird all-ins), close by air / cross are more or less balanced. Some "bad" maps like the new added (sry dunno the english name, every new ladder map except shattered temple and maybe typhoon peaks) are terran favored. Put one terran against say a zerg (and to a lesser extent against a protoss) on bo7 ladder maps, then bo7 on GSL maps. The outcome will be a lot different lol. And basically if I recall correctly only taldarim altar, xelnaga cavern and metalopolis are ladder maps still used in the GSL, so ladder training is not needed for most of the korean pro players. Except that when you are terran mass ladder / games is very usefull because it'll still improve mechanics, whereas for other races not that much so they don't really need to ladder, they probably practice more on GSL maps in custom games. Oh and yeah it's part of the ladder maps but agressive terrans can win you games : I mean TheBestfOu is very well ranked and is still seen as "terrible" (but his agressive/allin play can win him a lot of games as seen in GSL ST), you can't really know how people play on ladder, which maps they veto to "virtually increase their rankings" if they all-in a lot for example. Last point : ladder will be ladder, lol. Just look at EU rankings, they are all close in points, and every top 50 player in europe can be in top 20 ladder if they ladder a lot, whereas the "best" players of their races are not that high on the ladder and still do good in lans (or online cups). | ||
Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Let's compare Naniwa, Socke and HuK to MC, Alicia and Puzzle. Sure you might be able to tell the Korean apart due to their more aggressive approach, and use of a more mobile army, but in all in, the foreigner Protoss looks like he is kinda keeping up with what the Korean is doing. Now lets compare Thorzain, Kas and Select to Nada, SC, Top, Polt, SuperNoVa, Byun, Happy, Yoda, Marineking, Bomber, MVP, Keen, Puma, MMA, Ryung, Ganzi, TheStC, GuMiho, Hack, Jjakji. Now we are talking. No, I haven't just listed every single Terran, I have listed the most well known Terran players who, in my opinion, are better than nearly every single foreign Terran. Someone like Kyrix imo isn't better than Idra and Sheth, and someone like Inca isn't better than Socke. But these Korean Terrans man, they are absolute monsters, all of them. When I see Inca vs Idra, I see free win for IdrA. When I see Korean Terran vs anyone, I think it can go either way. I don't think anyone can make a list as long as the Korean Terran list for the other races and hold there hand up and say, "yep, these guys would bust through the open bracket of MLG ezpz." | ||
JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 15 2011 01:01 Zowon wrote: Would be better if you used a bigger sample size...20 players doesn't really give alot of information! the sample size is fine. definitely cannot expect there to be 90/100 terrans if terran were slightly strong. people are using the top twenty assuming that all of the top players combining all 3 races are granted equal 'skill'. if people are of same skill and the top 20 are almost all terran, the conclusion would be that when players of equal skill compete, the terran has the advantage. this is how imbalance discussion starts. its not perfect but thats what people here are connecting | ||
Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
And i guess most chose terran because they perceived it also the best race. In which relation is open. Maybe they think terran rewards the better mechanical player the most, maybe they have the feel terran is the most robust, or they like the way you can dictate the game. As seen since the beta korean likes to set the pace off the game, always being active and trying to overpower your opponent. And Terran is the race best suited for it. | ||
sitromit
7051 Posts
On July 15 2011 02:32 Micket wrote: Compare Foreign Zergs to Non Nestea zergs. Players like IdrA, Ret and Sheth. They are not far behind the Koreans and if a person was watching them play without their name tags, you wouldn't be able to tell who was the Korean. LOL!! No, just no, not even close... | ||
ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Reapafied
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