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On December 24 2012 06:50 CruiseR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:38 oGsCool wrote: I am surprised people are still living there, I would expect at some point the house would just shut down. yet it's expanding with a new house to another city, somewhere near the sealine, planned to launch in 2013 (source: netwars.pl) heh so they gonna scam ppl in gdańsk too?
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Nic ciekawego.
Kevin - przez X miesięcy nie zrobił nic w tym domu i grał w LoLa.
"Olivia Ola Chrzanowska GG My parents still have the same problem with them " - oszukali firmę na 20.000 zł, to tak się skończyło. by kropekk on netwars
My translation
There is nothing interesting. Kevin - for X months he didn't do anything at this house and he was playing LoL instead.
"Olivia Ola Chrzanowska GG My parents still have the same problem with them " - parents of Olivia cheated our company for 20k zł
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Wasn't one of the MoW "drama's" just over Desrow not enjoying eating sandwiches everyday?... Such a huge drama, email the sponsors etc
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On December 24 2012 06:38 oGsCool wrote: I am surprised people are still living there, I would expect at some point the house would just shut down.
If it would be really that bad, i wouldn't live in MoW for half a year already I like it here and despite some bumps in the past it runs very smoothly now It just makes me sad that the community is desperately searching for drama and villians and tries to blindly destroy this project that helped quite a lot of people in their eSports career And i'm tired trying to explain the situation to the community. I'm a player who lived here for a very long time and im able to give an objective persepective about the situation, but last time my statements along with some other players statement who were living here just got ignored because it didn't fit in the community's black & white scheme and the community just continued to go on their hate-filled furious rampage to destroy this project (sponsor-mailing, hatemailing and even life-threatening mail) There are always two sides of the medal, there were quite many problems with the people who worked for MoW, which you have to expect in this country. Don't take this offensively, i like this country and their people a lot, otherwise i would not live here for such long time, but anyone who worked with polish companies or used services in poland before knows what i'm talking about. There are always two sides in an agreement and both parties have to fullfil their duties, i don't know exact details, but people who worked here failed to fulfill them. Cooks who were actually ordering food and faking bills and after some time refused to make proper meals (which is actually the reason for the terrible food situation that some of you guys might still remember, gladly we have a new cook and proper food now) Tournament organizers who failed organizing the tournament. The first couple online qualifiers their website was either completely down, crashing or having severe issues, resulting in many pro players not wanting to participate anymore. Their organization was a disaster and they did a very poor job promoting the tournament to the point when MoW itself had to organize and promote it even tho they hired the tournament organizer for that cause
The community has the power to create eSports, but also the power to destroy it I just wish they would be more objective and would take both sides and statements into consideration before they start acting
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On December 24 2012 08:01 Wilko wrote: Tournament organizers who failed organizing the tournament. The first couple online qualifiers their website was either completely down, crashing or having severe issues, resulting in many pro players not wanting to participate anymore. Their organization was a disaster and they did a very poor job promoting the tournament to the point when MoW itself had to organize and promote it even tho they hired the tournament organizer for that cause
That shows perfectly how little you know. I have to agree that there were problems with server but only in the first qualifier since we had some people simply spamming the server and we weren't prepared for it - I take the responsibility for it. Other tournaments went smooth and I always was there to help everyone who had problems. Even as far as switching players if both sides agreed. And I'm 100% sure I did that for you too. Switched you in place of an offline player since you forgot to sign up to one of qualifiers. And as far as the other side agreed I did it a lot. So that's simply a lie. Secondly I wasn't "hired". I was the co-organizer and paid for the whole prize pool. It was ass much my responsibility as their to promote the event. Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Promotion by MoW was funny as sh*t since they always "forgot" the other part of the name so for them it was "Battle at Ministry of Win". And they did NOTHING more then put a link on their Facebook where I made TL and Reddit thread every time. So they still look plain in that case tho we both could do better.
You see you are right. In each case the medal have to sides. You said something about you had no idea (that "hired" part is the best) and I'm here to prove you wrong. With MoW it looks like they don't even go as far as explaining themselves so we don't know "the other side".
As far as it goes for me, a person who have a signed contract with MoW I can say that working with them was a nightmare, if not all those great people I meet during the tournament it would be a total loss of money.
And please Wilko, don't talk about something you don't know about anymore.
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Yeah it's to bad the project was put into the hands of the wrong person. From my understanding Oliver left because he couldn't stand boss (I forget his name, It's like Majeic or something). Oliver was a stand up, Nice guy. I really liked him, and Boss was a total dick that no one really liked.
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Was is always supposed to be a "scam", or is it just managed bad? Or something else?
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Karmy is right. I meet Oliver, he was a nice guy. And no, "boss" is VERY bad, it's "not" a scam.
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Sad to see this, I hope they pay their guys soon. The entirety of Destiny's fan base seems like a bad group of people to piss off.
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On December 24 2012 08:39 outplayed.yeti wrote: That shows perfectly how little you know. I have to agree that there were problems with server but only in the first qualifier since we had some people simply spamming the server and we weren't prepared for it - I take the responsibility for it. Other tournaments went smooth and I always was there to help everyone who had problems. Even as far as switching players if both sides agreed. And I'm 100% sure I did that for you too. Switched you in place of an offline player since you forgot to sign up to one of qualifiers. And as far as the other side agreed I did it a lot.
They didn't went smooth at all. You switched me in along with some other players because it was not possible for them or me to sign up for the tournament, because of the buggy site that didn't show the current tournaments unless you changed something in the URL. I personally know of good players who didn't participate because of exactly this problem. And i think that you forget that i was there the entire tournament and i saw what mistakes were made etc.. As i stated before i don't know exact details, but i saw that the tournament lacked structure and organization, but luckily everyone worked together and quite some people volunteered with organizing and casting, so the tournament ran smooth at the end.
On December 24 2012 08:57 FXOkaRmy wrote: Yeah it's to bad the project was put into the hands of the wrong person. From my understanding Oliver left because he couldn't stand boss (I forget his name, It's like Majeic or something). Oliver was a stand up, Nice guy. I really liked him, and Boss was a total dick that no one really liked.
Oliver left because the whole project was too much for him and he wanted to have some time to spend with his family etc. So Maciej ended up working on his own, but back then he did the majority of the work himself too. Oliver did a way better job interacting with people, so i can understand that it looked like this to you, but it was actually different. They are actually good friends and the boss gave him a place to stay until he found a new appartement. You probably still have his skype, so you can actually ask him yourself
On December 24 2012 09:22 Savagewood wrote: Sad to see this, I hope they pay their guys soon. The entirety of Destiny's fan base seems like a bad group of people to piss off.
I don't understand why they would be pissed off tho. Destiny never was negative about MoW and he had no complaints, so i don't see a reason for that
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Can't wait for pallad i mean the boss to do some retarded "No, we're fine gtfo" of his. Edit: Still waiting for kitties, taking them pretty long.
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More MoW business? wow...can't say i'm surprised but cmon now...
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TBH, Ministry of Win sounded like a joke from the second I read that name..... sounds like it's run by a 14 y/o.
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On December 24 2012 09:36 Wilko wrote: They didn't went smooth at all. You switched me in along with some other players because it was not possible for them or me to sign up for the tournament, because of the buggy site that didn't show the current tournaments unless you changed something in the URL. I personally know of good players who didn't participate because of exactly this problem. And i think that you forget that i was there the entire tournament and i saw what mistakes were made etc.. As i stated before i don't know exact details, but i saw that the tournament lacked structure and organization, but luckily everyone worked together and quite some people volunteered with organizing and casting, so the tournament ran smooth at the end.
As far as I know you were the only one with logging problem that came to me. I had a lot of work during all the qualifiers and as I said, 1st were a fail. Other run smooth from my perspective - everything worked fine during tests since 2nd qualifiers and we had no major problems reported. And I don't know anything about those "url changes" you are talking about. No one came with that, seriously... I will go as far as saying that you might have been the one with some problems at your end. If more people will confirm your story than I'm more than interested in it. Tho after 1st qualifier we did changed the server and our domain wasn't running on DNS but on Forwarding. But there was an information about it (TL and Tournament Info) and it's not my fault you didn't realized it... and didn't read the tournament info - if that was the case obv.
About the main event.... During first two there were so many problems it wasn't even funny. A lot of stuff was kept under the rug so just drop that part.
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I agree with Wilko tbh. The MoW has a negative reputation with the community, but we should atleaast get a statement from them before assuming too much. Like remember the whole rekrul-coach lee drama? Everyone was like scumbag lee until ogs's own coach had to refute rekrul's claims
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Im glad I never went. Thankfully i went with my gut feeling that it sounded shady
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On December 24 2012 08:01 Wilko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:38 oGsCool wrote: I am surprised people are still living there, I would expect at some point the house would just shut down. If it would be really that bad, i wouldn't live in MoW for half a year already I like it here and despite some bumps in the past it runs very smoothly now It just makes me sad that the community is desperately searching for drama and villians and tries to blindly destroy this project that helped quite a lot of people in their eSports career And i'm tired trying to explain the situation to the community. I'm a player who lived here for a very long time and im able to give an objective persepective about the situation, but last time my statements along with some other players statement who were living here just got ignored because it didn't fit in the community's black & white scheme and the community just continued to go on their hate-filled furious rampage to destroy this project (sponsor-mailing, hatemailing and even life-threatening mail) There are always two sides of the medal, there were quite many problems with the people who worked for MoW, which you have to expect in this country. Don't take this offensively, i like this country and their people a lot, otherwise i would not live here for such long time, but anyone who worked with polish companies or used services in poland before knows what i'm talking about. There are always two sides in an agreement and both parties have to fullfil their duties, i don't know exact details, but people who worked here failed to fulfill them. Cooks who were actually ordering food and faking bills and after some time refused to make proper meals (which is actually the reason for the terrible food situation that some of you guys might still remember, gladly we have a new cook and proper food now) Tournament organizers who failed organizing the tournament. The first couple online qualifiers their website was either completely down, crashing or having severe issues, resulting in many pro players not wanting to participate anymore. Their organization was a disaster and they did a very poor job promoting the tournament to the point when MoW itself had to organize and promote it even tho they hired the tournament organizer for that cause The community has the power to create eSports, but also the power to destroy it I just wish they would be more objective and would take both sides and statements into consideration before they start acting If a company has so much problem, a large responsibility must be taken on its side, even if the problems aren't on MoW side. You can blame on cooks, tournament sponsor and even your opinion on Poland, but it won't change the fact that MoW never got them right.
MoW still getting it wrong and it has long passed that 'inexperienced' stage already.
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lol... They just keep surprising..
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This place is supposed to be a training center for players, right ? Please Wilko, tell us about this side of the house.
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On December 24 2012 23:27 E.L.V.I.S wrote: This place is supposed to be a training center for players, right ? Please Wilko, tell us about this side of the house.
I'd ask Snute if MoW training had anything to do with his recent rise to success.
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