Discussion regarding cheating at offline events - Page 2
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Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
On June 19 2017 07:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Snute just talking some logic.... OR IS HE COVERING HIS TRACKS?!?!?! :O:O most adults are liars. which is why all forms of competition have all kinds of cheat-reducing methods put in place. " if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin' " On June 19 2017 07:21 PinoKotsBeer wrote: The players should be naked or wearing a uber tight spandex outfit so we will be sure they arent wearing any electronics. But we cant be sure, maybe its in their bum. Who is going to volunteer? no just go through the same process UFC fighters and boxers go through before entering the ring/cage. its a long ago solved problem. | ||
geokilla
Canada8162 Posts
On June 19 2017 06:44 Liquid`Snute wrote: Non issue. Top wcs players are morally sound and would rather be losing and be poor, than winning by cheating or match fixing. Most of the people in wcs play for fun and glory, money to live sure but not that type of greed. Taking away phone does nothing besides lowering player quality of life at tournaments. a try-hard cheater can still use advanced cheating gear even with a phone being taken. But afaik in all my years of sc this is a non issue and I'd be very surprised to learn if communication ever happened. Why can't you just have your phone taken away during the match, and then the admin returns it to you after the match? You're not affecting a player's "quality of life" at the tournament during their matches. | ||
blabber
United States4448 Posts
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
Or maybe we are just being a little stupid here. | ||
Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On June 19 2017 08:43 DeadByDawn wrote: They could have a remote controlled vibrator up their butt. Strip search followed by cavity examination is the only way to be sure. Or maybe we are just being a little stupid here. If someone is willing to go that far to get an advantage they deserve to win. | ||
reneg
United States859 Posts
On June 19 2017 07:17 Musicus wrote: I always thought players were supposed to turn off their phones, we had this discussion years ago I think. It's something that frequently happens, though apparently isn't a full requirement. I saw a couple of other people with their phones on, as well. I think Snute makes a good point though - It isn't really that big a deal. | ||
Poopi
France12466 Posts
On June 19 2017 05:47 Aegwynn wrote: Probably most progamer never thought about this, you might just gave them a great idea ? Pretty sure a lot of them actually did, probably the ones that don't win much by themselves since the ROI is better, but maybe actual good ones as well! Simple solution: don't allow cellphones when playing. edit: being good != being morally sound, see Life. I think Snute is a little bit too optimistic, if top players knew ways to do it while minimizing risks, some of them would probably do it for personal reasons. So I guess it could be an issue if the game grows financially, which could happen depending on Google DeepMind advancements (they need impressive opponents to feed their AI for the public to be interested, they can't let sc2 die if they are serious on what they are trying to achieve). | ||
dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
On June 19 2017 06:44 Liquid`Snute wrote: Non issue. Top wcs players are morally sound and would rather be losing and be poor, than winning by cheating or match fixing. Most of the people in wcs play for fun and glory, money to live sure but not that type of greed. Taking away phone does nothing besides lowering player quality of life at tournaments. a try-hard cheater can still use advanced cheating gear even with a phone being taken. But afaik in all my years of sc this is a non issue and I'd be very surprised to learn if communication ever happened. I'm certain that Snute as well as the vast majority (if not all) of the players have this level of moral integrity. But for eSports event organizers, it is their duty to minimize the possibility for anyone to cheat. And to those saying this cannot be done without strip searching, you're vastly exaggerating things. How do you think universities enforce cellphone rules in their exams? Personally I have never been strip searched during an exam and I'd be very interested to hear from somebody who has. Basically you just put this down in your rule book, and penalize anyone who is seen to have cellphones on them without going out of your way to search everyone. | ||
Boggyb
2855 Posts
On June 19 2017 08:31 geokilla wrote: Why can't you just have your phone taken away during the match, and then the admin returns it to you after the match? You're not affecting a player's "quality of life" at the tournament during their matches. Depending on the event and the number of players, that could be a major pain to handle logistically. | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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RKC
2847 Posts
No strip search. The enforcement policy was simply no device on the table or in sight. That could be the policy here too (although it shouldn't be too hard to do a light search on players too). | ||
eviltomahawk
United States11132 Posts
On June 19 2017 08:33 blabber wrote: I vaguely remember Kespa officials scanning players for metal objects before they can enter the booth during SC BW Proleague matches I definitely remember them using handheld metal detectors at one point. | ||
WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
On June 19 2017 05:47 Aegwynn wrote: Probably most progamer never thought about this, you might just gave them a great idea yeah you a smart guy :D its so simple but possible so i would go for a ban on Phones. | ||
Fango
United Kingdom8807 Posts
Most good players have integrity though. Reminds me of the ssl final hero vs byul, hero could hear the crowd cheering at byuls early pool and paused the game to say it was unacceptable or something. Even if some people are willing to throw matches for money, they probably wouldn't go far enough to actually cheat. | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 19 2017 06:44 Liquid`Snute wrote: Non issue. Top wcs players are morally sound and would rather be losing and be poor, than winning by cheating or match fixing. Most of the people in wcs play for fun and glory, money to live sure but not that type of greed. Taking away phone does nothing besides lowering player quality of life at tournaments. a try-hard cheater can still use advanced cheating gear even with a phone being taken. But afaik in all my years of sc this is a non issue and I'd be very surprised to learn if communication ever happened. That's a very surprising mindset to me. In all the games I have played, if there is a way to cheat the game, people cheat. Morals basically don't exist in a competitive environment and some people (not all, of course) will try to win at all costs. Maybe what's happening is that WCS is so devoid of potential monetary reward that people are indeed playing for "fun" and "glory", but I doubt no cheating has ever happened for these players. See Korean tournaments. Matchfixing is exactly the same as cheating, you do it to guaranty yourself some sort of win (not in the actual game, but in real money) instead of competing fairly and preferring to "lose and be poor". If Snute is claiming that SC2 players are too cool to cheat at all, he's also admitting that SC2 is competitively dead :D. If the competition is high enough (see, mainstream sports), players will try to get unfair advantages, for example, with doping (major examples in cycling). I respect the trust in his fellow competitiors though. Most good players have integrity though. Reminds me of the ssl final hero vs byul, hero could hear the crowd cheering at byuls early pool and paused the game to say it was unacceptable or something. Maybe most good players are indeed honorable. But for one herO, who's to say that there aren't 3 zerOs who hear something and don't say anything? I'm sure that has happened before (a player hearing the crowd and not saying anything about it, when it gives him some kind of vague advantage), and it's probably not considered cheating in hindsight. | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30538 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
On June 19 2017 21:26 ZenithM wrote: Maybe what's happening is that WCS is so devoid of potential monetary reward that people are indeed playing for "fun" and "glory", but I doubt no cheating has ever happened for these players. People cheat in 50$ tournaments, this has nothing to do with lack of monetary gain. | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 19 2017 21:57 Charoisaur wrote: People cheat in 50$ tournaments, this has nothing to do with lack of monetary gain. Yes, that's what I believe too (my "maybe" was mostly rhetorical :D). People will cheat in any setting, really. That's why I was surprised at Snute's stance on this. | ||
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