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Took I while but finally I got a stable internet connection and also some time on my hands to answer the questions @hermana:
I guess a lot of the points you raised in your PM are already answered by the update I did to the opening post. I tried to explain the system briefly and I think it answers a lot of the frequent questions. here are some further updates to your questions though:
is there a priority for more recent matches having an impact on a players ranking over outdated matches? No, why would there be anything like that? The systems takes differences in skilllevel into account and also makes sure players lose points over time if they dont play. By this we make sure, that a player is not ranked at the top of the list for ages even though he only dominated for a period of time and was inactive for quite a while already. The system is set up to show the current player ranking as accurate as possible.
Is the opponents skill taken into account? Yes, of course. We are using a variation of the Glicko System which takes skilllevel into account and also makes sure that there is a second variable determining the potential accuracy of that skilllevel. Something ELO is missing for example. To get the general idea of Glicko have a look at Wikipedia (I also included a link to the opening post)
Who has DRG moved ahead of the list even though Nestea won more games recently? The players DRG faced and defeated were far more "skilled" than the opponents Nestea had do face. Therefore DRG gained more points for defeating them. The system takes the skilllevel of players into account and as DRG participated in some tournaments with a fierce competition he was able to gain a lot of points and therefore moved ahead in the ranking.
As to the question why one should prefer this ranking over TLPD I can only say, that our database is bigger than the database of TL on which that ranking is based on and in addition the ELO system simply doesnt cut it. It's very popular due to its simplicity but the Glicko System is far more exact. And in addition this is an international ranking although I mentioned the current problems of that kind of raking in the OP already.
If you have any additional questions feel free to ask and I'll be happy to answer them as best as I can But please read the OP before you do! :D
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I made more money playing sc2 than some of those guys, am I considered a progamer?
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I don't know if this would be possible but a ranking based on average stream viewers would be really cool. Maybe compare that with # of hours streamed, prize money won, etc.
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On August 26 2011 15:02 Xplitcit wrote: I made more money playing sc2 than some of those guys, am I considered a progamer?
Do you play SC2 with the intent of making a living? Is it your primary source of income? If you answered yes to both these questions, then yes.
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Pretty sure the majority of SC2 players can't live off SC2 solely for their income
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Wow thanks!
So White-ra is top earning foreigner? Awesome
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Nice site!
I would like to suggest a filter for matchup comparison to allow filtering by time (month, year, all) in addition to the patch (which is a great idea).
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We had to limit the filter options as it would put a pretty huge strain on servers if we'd allow for example individual periods of time to be selected.
We are still planning on improving the website and are well aware that there might be a few minor bugs or issues that still need fixing. If you encounter anything let us know, even if I don't reply to a post in particular I'll probably have read it and put the points on our agenda if possible.
Cheers, Khaldor
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Khaldor, anyway to allow switching of currencies? More the merrier, or at least USD/Won
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Hm we might be able to put in that information although the exchange rate would probably be an issue I guess. Is there some website one can automatically get the current exchange rates for the currencies you mentioned (as you can tell I have no clue whatsoever myself). Because updating that manually all the time would be quite a pain in the ass ^^
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I'm very impressed by the Skill Ranking and I say that spending on average an hour/day on TLPD. Of course once you go down the list a bit you notice that the rankings of European players are a bit inflated because they get to play a lot more documented games in online cups, but I can't think of a way to introduce the idea of a regional skill gap to such a system. (other than straight up racist nerfing foreigners)
If you look as much at ELO as I do, you'd be aware of how useless of a statistic it is. As an example, 2 weeks ago TLPD considered Goody the best TvP player and still ranks him above Thorzain in that MU.
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Events as the current MLG help a lot with ensuring a better accuracy when it comes down to comparing european, north american and korean players. The more big events the database includes, the more accurate the ranking is going to be. I'm therefore pretty excited to see DRG perform at that particular event
@montana: whereas the amount of games certainly playes a role in ranking (as you can see at the Glicko explanations). The reason for the europeans in the top positions of the ranking is more related to the fact that so far there were only a few comparisons between koreans and foreigners. But whereas in Broodwar koreans seemed to be unbeatable in Sc2 at least some of the europeans seem to be up for the task as we could see in recent tournaments (even though the koreans are still dominating, dont get me wrong :D)
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On August 10 2011 21:34 kckkryptonite wrote: Best Zerg Player: DongRaeGu Damn, Artosis would have something to say about that.
8. Naniwa Didn't, uh... CheckPrime just demolish Naniwa?
13. Kas, 14. Stephano, 15. Nerchio Wwwhhhhaaa? Yet HuK is 20th?!
Aside from the rankings, the site looks great!
I think you can make a fairly convincing argument that Stephano and Nerchio > Huk in the rankings. If you've been watching their ZvTs, you'll be amazed, they don't seem to lose against Euro Terrans. Checkprime may have beaten Naniwa, but Nani is the more consistent player overall. In my opinion these ratings are accurate. Putting DRG above Nestea is a little questionable though...
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Great site and amazing work
Love it Khaldor!
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Already explained why Nestea is behind DRG. The main reason is the amount of high skilled players DRG was able to beat lately, and quite convincing at that. The ranking does not give a picture of the all time achievements in terms of winning tournaments but tries to tell you who's the best player out there right now.
Some tournaments are won by players that were probably not the best in a particular tournament, simply by having an easier group/grid/whatever. DRG of course has to prove himself in order to maintain that position in the ranking but his results are very convincing so far. Don't get me wrong, Nestea is a beast, but most of his recent matches took place against supposedly "weaker" players.
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It would be great if you could add an "all time" section to the prize money, displaying total prize money won over all the data you currently have.
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Interesting page, the money bit is a bit inaccurate i think it misses out some smaller stuff but meh
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I love the website, but not using ELO is nuts. It's been proven as the best ranking system by far as a long time.
Everyone in their right mind knows that DRG would be lucky to make even top 10 in the world, let alone #1.
Glicko is a terrible system when it comes to SC2, because RD has ZERO effect on current players. Just because you don't see them in tournaments, doesn't mean they aren't playing.
So Nestea plays maybe 5 sets in a month because he only plays in GSL. Therefor his RD is insanely higher than someone like Huk or MC who plays everywhere. Yet when Nestea isn't traveling he is playing 8+ hours a day against better opponents . The system you are using doesn't make sense.
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On August 10 2011 07:16 Khaldor wrote:
Even though I'll leave tomorrow for my holidays it'd be great if you could provide us with some feedback on the website!
kind regards, Khaldor
How long you going to Australia for? I'm about to head down there myself, heh.
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