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On October 13 2011 19:55 Sokalo wrote: Sifting through this thread just creeps me out a major one.
All of the guys I've ever known that were swimming with girls were either rich/tall/important/athletic and sociable. Or...manipulative and sociable. I can't discern any way how this stuff isn't anything more than a guide to being the latter.
Giving girl advice is one thing and advising people on how to control carbon based machines of the human female variety is another. i can understand your viewpoint. i remember my feelings when i heard first about this. me being scared that there's some dudes out there who mastered manipulating hot women. disgusting. but it doesn't work like that
it's more about being an awesome dude, while ironically everyone can become awesome, without being rich/tall/important/athletic.
"awesome dude" is of course way oversimplified, since you could still be a complete asshole and be good with women :>
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On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour. X does Z, it's always because of Y reason, without much self-criticism or epistemological examination to back it up. Psychology is actually a new science that has yet to solidify its bases, but a big chunk of "psychologists" or amateurs are just attracted by simplicity. Thus the common "I can read your mind" attitude.
The thing those people don't realize, is that they're trying to oversimplify what has been studied over THOUSANDS of years by litterature, painting, and art in general. Books have analyzed human behavior in a very systematic and profound way for a long time.
Why am I saying this? Because "PUA" techniques are what modern bullshit psychology does: taking one well-known and explored field, and simplify it with bullshit "concepts" and "theories". Flaubert's Madame Bovary explored throughly the behaviour of a delusional woman who choses to close herself inside of her imagination. Then some random "psychologist" will declare that they have found interesting patterns in the way bookworms behave. Wohoo!
The PUAs and kinos and OIs and FCs and whatever are just like that. I could call a dog a WFA (Walking Furry Animal) and say that I have theorized a new concept.
But intuition and "street smart" people have always existed. And it's not about PUAs or anything. It's just about understanding people in general. I understand that this can help people who are socially awkward, but the core problem isn't solved. It's like giving an autistic person a manual on "how to behave with people". Okay, he will be less awkward, but he'll still be an autistic man. PUA is more like giving an autistic person a manual for becoming a normal person, with the difference that such a manual doesn't exist for autism, but there is one for getting good with women.
it's not really about techniques anymore either. i don't know if some are working, cause i care so little about them.
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On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour.
I don't really know anything about the PUA community and have never posted in this thread, but I can assure you that, as sad as you may be to hear it, humans do indeed have fairly simple patterns and behavior, no matter how much you think they don't. For example, I could tell you were from western Europe without even looking at your location next to your name, just from the anti-American line you cleverly tried to slip in there.
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On October 13 2011 20:24 Angra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour. I don't really know anything about the PUA community and have never posted in this thread, but I can assure you that, as sad as you may be to hear it, humans do indeed have fairly simple patterns and behavior, no matter how much you think they don't. For example, I could tell you were from western Europe without even looking at your location next to your name, just from the anti-American line you cleverly tried to slip in there.
Oh my, a smart one you sure are! Sadly, seeing that I'm European is 1) visible on my posts and 2) a sociological matter and 3)you actually PROVED my point by using your intuition instead of bullshit psychology personnality tests or Myers Briggs theory or whatever crap they can sell to gullible people. People ARE complex because even though you might actually guess if someone is insecure or not, happy or not, it's just one atom on the tip of the iceberg.
Beg-> Then PUA is just a weird term to say "cool, handsome guy".
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On October 13 2011 20:39 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 20:24 Angra wrote:On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour. I don't really know anything about the PUA community and have never posted in this thread, but I can assure you that, as sad as you may be to hear it, humans do indeed have fairly simple patterns and behavior, no matter how much you think they don't. For example, I could tell you were from western Europe without even looking at your location next to your name, just from the anti-American line you cleverly tried to slip in there. Oh my, a smart one you sure are! Sadly, seeing that I'm European is 1) visible on my posts and 2) a sociological matter and 3)you actually PROVED my point by using your intuition instead of bullshit psychology personnality tests or Myers Briggs theory or whatever crap they can sell to gullible people. People ARE complex because even though you might actually guess if someone is insecure or not, happy or not, it's just one atom on the tip of the iceberg. Beg-> Then PUA is just a weird term to say "cool, handsome guy".
Kukaracha, if pickup didn't work, then why did I get laid with more women in the last 4 months, than you have in the rest of your entire life? Before I started, I had been with 2 women.
After doing pickup, why do I have a better physique, better smile, better street smarts, better conversation skills, better humor, better fashion than you? From a girls perspective, she can't tell the difference between me or some good looking Abercrombie guy whos always been good with women. I not only dress like one, but I also have the body of one, act like one and talk like one. The only difference is I have a conscious understanding of game where as the Abercrombie guy just goes with the flow. He gets the girl when the girl already likes him and the settings are favorable. I get the girls that don't even like me, and all the other odds are against me. Proof is in the picture. I bet if you met me in the club, you would have no idea that I am a pickup artist, and then poof, I am walking out with your female friend hahaha. Its true that pickup is more than a few lines. Its getting better at ALL areas. Its taking comedy classes, its taking fashion classes, its making friends with cool hobbies, its traveling to interesting places, its working out, its getting a great life style. Its a LOT of fucking work. Its essentially being the best you can be, but bottom line is you still have to talk to girls . Can't avoid that.
Just because pick up is real and can be learned, doesn't mean everyone will succeed just like the protein and workout books exist but not everyone will have a great body. Pick up is there so that the 5% who are dedicated and have potential will succeed. I am one of that 5%, quite frankly, the other 95% will fail just like they fail at everything else in life. You would be lucky to find 1 guy who reads pickup material actually going out to the clubs and approach at least 10 girls a night. 1 out of 20 is a huge over estimation. I'll be honest, I am fortunate to have a friend who is one of the best pick up gurus on the planet. Without him, I wouldn't be here.
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On October 13 2011 20:24 Angra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour. I don't really know anything about the PUA community and have never posted in this thread, but I can assure you that, as sad as you may be to hear it, humans do indeed have fairly simple patterns and behavior, no matter how much you think they don't. For example, I could tell you were from western Europe without even looking at your location next to your name, just from the anti-American line you cleverly tried to slip in there.
Or the fact he spelled "Behaviour" lol. Hes probably UK, Canadian, or New Zealand.
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On October 13 2011 20:39 Kukaracha wrote: Oh my, a smart one you sure are! Sadly, seeing that I'm European is 1) visible on my posts and 2) a sociological matter and 3)you actually PROVED my point by using your intuition instead of bullshit psychology personnality tests or Myers Briggs theory or whatever crap they can sell to gullible people. People ARE complex because even though you might actually guess if someone is insecure or not, happy or not, it's just one atom on the tip of the iceberg.
Beg-> Then PUA is just a weird term to say "cool, handsome guy".
No offense, but if you think Myers-Briggs is taken seriously by psychologists you probably don't know enough to be making judgment calls on the topic.
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It's like the one true Scotsman fallacy. Whatever bad things you might think of the PUA community, there will always be someone to tell you that you're generalizing or picking bad samples, so you can't have a discussion about it without first defining it better.
Honestly, there used to be lots of useful dating and self-help advice available that wasn't associated with pick-up at all. I feel like if it's supposed to be something new and interesting that you shouldn't just count all dating advice as part of the pick-up artist stuff. Because I read a lot of suggestions such as: "become a more interesting person, work out, be confident, have higher self-esteem" and I frankly don't see how that's specific to pick-up.
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I've only read the last couple pages and it's been an entertaining read to say the least. There's definitely patterns you pick up from experience, and is it wrong to take advantage of it? Is manipulation an ugly word? I don't know :p
I guess my only concern is if I develop some form of cynicism in the process, but maybe my fears are unfounded haha.
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On October 13 2011 21:59 squattincassanova wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 20:39 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 20:24 Angra wrote:On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour. I don't really know anything about the PUA community and have never posted in this thread, but I can assure you that, as sad as you may be to hear it, humans do indeed have fairly simple patterns and behavior, no matter how much you think they don't. For example, I could tell you were from western Europe without even looking at your location next to your name, just from the anti-American line you cleverly tried to slip in there. Oh my, a smart one you sure are! Sadly, seeing that I'm European is 1) visible on my posts and 2) a sociological matter and 3)you actually PROVED my point by using your intuition instead of bullshit psychology personnality tests or Myers Briggs theory or whatever crap they can sell to gullible people. People ARE complex because even though you might actually guess if someone is insecure or not, happy or not, it's just one atom on the tip of the iceberg. Beg-> Then PUA is just a weird term to say "cool, handsome guy". Kukaracha, if pickup didn't work, then why did I get laid with more women in the last 4 months, than you have in the rest of your entire life? Before I started, I had been with 2 women. After doing pickup, why do I have a better physique, better smile, better street smarts, better conversation skills, better humor, better fashion than you? From a girls perspective, she can't tell the difference between me or some good looking Abercrombie guy whos always been good with women. I not only dress like one, but I also have the body of one, act like one and talk like one. The only difference is I have a conscious understanding of game where as the Abercrombie guy just goes with the flow. He gets the girl when the girl already likes him and the settings are favorable. I get the girls that don't even like me, and all the other odds are against me. Proof is in the picture. I bet if you met me in the club, you would have no idea that I am a pickup artist, and then poof, I am walking out with your female friend hahaha. Its true that pickup is more than a few lines. Its getting better at ALL areas. Its taking comedy classes, its taking fashion classes, its making friends with cool hobbies, its traveling to interesting places, its working out, its getting a great life style. Its a LOT of fucking work. Its essentially being the best you can be, but bottom line is you still have to talk to girls . Can't avoid that. Just because pick up is real and can be learned, doesn't mean everyone will succeed just like the protein and workout books exist but not everyone will have a great body. Pick up is there so that the 5% who are dedicated and have potential will succeed. I am one of that 5%, quite frankly, the other 95% will fail just like they fail at everything else in life. You would be lucky to find 1 guy who reads pickup material actually going out to the clubs and approach at least 10 girls a night. 1 out of 20 is a huge over estimation. I'll be honest, I am fortunate to have a friend who is one of the best pick up gurus on the planet. Without him, I wouldn't be here.
Hi,
Did I say it doesn't work? No, I just said it's just about stupidly theorizing something that successful males do naturally. Because what you listed is just what makes a person "exceptional".
People can theorize all day long and have 1000 posts on pickups forums, the difference is actually made by everything else. Smart? Good-looking? Confident? Tough? Brave? Honest? Outgoing? Etc, etc.
Some people write articles about how to put some distance between you and "the target" and whatever, but some people actually know that already and don't need a manual or fancy names to see how people interact with each other. Thus the comparison with autistic people.
Now, what's the deal with people on the "pickup scene" having to make long posts about how awesome they are? With pictures and stuff?
And yes, psychologists actually use Meyers Briggs works, and they used Jung's works themselves to elaborate their piece of crap. One can be a "psychologist" after 3 years of study, at 21 years old. Now I'm the first one to say that these guys are bullshit, but they're psychologists no less.
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Well, I guess you don't live in a country with an industry body that regulates psychologists and oversees university curriculums then Kuka... but if you are doing research that gets published in any reputable journal, believe me you aren't using the MBTI, lol.
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No psychologist will be taken seriously without a Ph.D(in research) or at least a masters(in clinical). One can be a "insert generic science major here" after four years of undergrad, but that doesn't matter until they pursue graduate classes, just like in psychology. It is a rapidly expanding field, and quite an interesting one at that. Sadly it didn't interest me enough, and I switched over to another.
Anyways, Squatting, I feel bad for ya lol people are so quick to attack ya on your lifestyle. Not that I agree with all the shit you say, but still.
On a side note, you should totally stop by the health and fitness forum :D We'd be glad to have ya.
Broke up with my chick a week or two ago. I'm sad because I upset somebody, but I am not upset that she is just a friend. She was in it 100%, and I was only in it like 50%. It was right to break it off, and I rushed into it way too fast. Plus with my schedule (Bio, anatomy, and chem with lab), lifting, and work, I just didn't have time.
I learned something though; routines are fucking worthless and I don't understand why people do em. I had a whole plan in my head on what I was going to say. and that shit didn't work out nearly at all. These canned routines are just worthless, y'know? I did it in person, because what kind of man breaks up with his chick behind a phone?
Now I can start at PUA again. Still a newb with some talent in women, but looking to better that talent. Gotta start at the basics. I lost myself a little bit during the relationship (probably due to jumping in when I shouldn't have? I dunno), and I'ma build that back up.
"How can I be better? I could start with the basics." Lyrics from a song lol and what I'm about to do. Starting with basics; demonstrating confidence, eye contact (Not the best at this), and being spontaneous. I plan on doing the stylelife challenge. Any opinions?
Although it will progress somewhat slowly. Even on the weekends I'm doing homework. I'm busy a lot, so it'll have to be limited to the weekend or when I get lucky with a break in homework (yeah right).
So... That's my plan. Like I said, any opinions on stylelife challenge? Or any other tips would be welcome :D
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Pickup is going away from the old mystery method types where they are calculated in every step of the approach and always try to have an answer or a constructed method for getting to the end goal which for them was sex.
It is now more about inner game and striving to become the absolute best/most confident person you can be and translating that to more success with women. Getting good with girls takes practice as men and women are very different and you won't know or recognize things about women without actually experiencing them.
The reason it moves away from mystery method type scripts and openers is that the script can't be adapted right off the bat. It's very easy to be caught off guard or not have the right thing to say because you were looking to the book for the answers when you should just get comfortable going up to a girl and completely winging it the entire way for a while then going back and maybe trying to apply some pickup advice to tighten everything up and get some sense of direction to guide you.
When people say you should be yourself they are right but it isn't the whole truth. You should take a step back and picture you as the most confident person you could see yourself ever being and then be that person. You should be your best self.
I went from not having a clue with girls to now being able to say whatever the hell I want to them and still getting them to like me.
Confidence
Kino
Number close or escalate to something else depending on the situation.
That is honestly all it is once you have started becoming a better and more well-rounded person.
Pickup is kind of like being a salesman and being in an interview at the same time. You are in fact selling yourself to the girl but what you want to do is try to convince her that she has to sell herself to you. This subtle back and forth exchange is really what it comes down to and as I've grown out of my shell in my business life after college it has really helped me to become better with women.
If you want to turn yourself into a natural it is best to discard any pickup advice until after you are confident enough in yourself as a person to approach women and strike up a conversation and carry that conversation without being awkward. Once you can do that consistently then you are ready to start looking at the finer points of seduction and picking up girls. In the end nothing is a substitute for experience. I have literally walked up to a group of girls and said nothing more than "Hi" and stood there. 3 second rule right? They said "well this is awkward". I turned it around into a 30 minute conversation and completely won them over. Sometimes it is good just to do stupid stuff like that to see that this whole thing really isn't that serious and you can say anything and still come out on top if you are a confident and interesting person.
I'm no pickup guru nor do I want to be but I am at the point where I am confident enough to know that I can see a girl I am genuinely attracted to, go up to her and be convinced she will enjoy talking to me and most likely like me if she spends enough time with me and this was my goal when I started it all. So I'm not much of a believer in pickup in the classical mystery method sense with all these terms. I'm more of a just go out there and throw yourself into the fire and you'll come out on the other side a much stronger person and better off for it.
When squattincassnova says push/pull he's basically saying be funny to her like she's your little sister (pushing her away romantically) then flirt with her a little (pull her in) and just balance it out. Hell that would be a fun interaction for any girl to have during her day if you think about it. They love that.
Lastly, if you have trouble approaching because of the fear of rejection just watch SimplePickup on youtube. The fear of failure will go away after watching some of those videos a few times.
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On October 14 2011 00:29 LostDevil wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Pickup is going away from the old mystery method types where they are calculated in every step of the approach and always try to have an answer or a constructed method for getting to the end goal which for them was sex.
It is now more about inner game and striving to become the absolute best/most confident person you can be and translating that to more success with women. Getting good with girls takes practice as men and women are very different and you won't know or recognize things about women without actually experiencing them.
The reason it moves away from mystery method type scripts and openers is that the script can't be adapted right off the bat. It's very easy to be caught off guard or not have the right thing to say because you were looking to the book for the answers when you should just get comfortable going up to a girl and completely winging it the entire way for a while then going back and maybe trying to apply some pickup advice to tighten everything up and get some sense of direction to guide you.
When people say you should be yourself they are right but it isn't the whole truth. You should take a step back and picture you as the most confident person you could see yourself ever being and then be that person. You should be your best self.
I went from not having a clue with girls to now being able to say whatever the hell I want to them and still getting them to like me.
Confidence
Kino
Number close or escalate to something else depending on the situation.
That is honestly all it is once you have started becoming a better and more well-rounded person.
Pickup is kind of like being a salesman and being in an interview at the same time. You are in fact selling yourself to the girl but what you want to do is try to convince her that she has to sell herself to you. This subtle back and forth exchange is really what it comes down to and as I've grown out of my shell in my business life after college it has really helped me to become better with women.
If you want to turn yourself into a natural it is best to discard any pickup advice until after you are confident enough in yourself as a person to approach women and strike up a conversation and carry that conversation without being awkward. Once you can do that consistently then you are ready to start looking at the finer points of seduction and picking up girls. In the end nothing is a substitute for experience. I have literally walked up to a group of girls and said nothing more than "Hi" and stood there. 3 second rule right? They said "well this is awkward". I turned it around into a 30 minute conversation and completely won them over. Sometimes it is good just to do stupid stuff like that to see that this whole thing really isn't that serious and you can say anything and still come out on top if you are a confident and interesting person.
I'm no pickup guru nor do I want to be but I am at the point where I am confident enough to know that I can see a girl I am genuinely attracted to, go up to her and be convinced she will enjoy talking to me and most likely like me if she spends enough time with me and this was my goal when I started it all. So I'm not much of a believer in pickup in the classical mystery method sense with all these terms. I'm more of a just go out there and throw yourself into the fire and you'll come out on the other side a much stronger person and better off for it.
When squattincassnova says push/pull he's basically saying be funny to her like she's your little sister (pushing her away romantically) then flirt with her a little (pull her in) and just balance it out. Hell that would be a fun interaction for any girl to have during her day if you think about it. They love that.
Lastly, if you have trouble approaching because of the fear of rejection just watch SimplePickup on youtube. The fear of failure will go away after watching some of those videos a few times.
Haha I don't think I'm quite there yet, but I think it's close. I've started to not take myself seriously and just not overthinking things has already made things much simpler. I know this is second-nature to most of you, but it took some experience for me to understand.
The push/pull things seems to be something I can only pull off with girls I already have a rapport with - to do it "cold" though (first meeting)? I think I'm still working on that.
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The push/pull things seems to be something I can only pull off with girls I already have a rapport with - to do it "cold" though (first meeting)? I think I'm still working on that.
This is quite difficult for anyone who doesn't have a lot of experience with PU's. My favorite method for beginning this banter is by poking fun at something about the girl to begin teasing, even then it can be hard to build if she acts hurt. Being able to think on your feet is undoubtedly the hardest thing about flirting with girls (But if you're good at it, and running tight game, holy shit will they find you completely irresistible).
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Jesus Christ you guys are nerds - the kind who would probably plan school shootings because of your scary, obsessive behaviour. Think about it. If you met a girl and showed her the shit you're posting here, how do you think she'd react? That's right, she'd think you're a fucking creep. Why the hell would I post pics of me and my girlfriend for you to 'analyse' with your 'pick-up' theories. As I said - most of us don't need to see women as objects to get laid, believe it or not, but given your level of negativity and defensiveness you've made it abundantly clear your mind is made up about the subject (probably from the shitty experiences you've had in the past with women).
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On October 14 2011 04:37 Rubix Cube wrote: Jesus Christ you guys are nerds - the kind who would probably plan school shootings because of your scary, obsessive behaviour. Think about it. If you met a girl and showed her the shit you're posting here, how do you think she'd react? That's right, she'd think you're a fucking creep. Why the hell would I post pics of me and my girlfriend for you to 'analyse' with your 'pick-up' theories. As I said - most of us don't need to see women as objects to get laid, believe it or not, but given your level of negativity and defensiveness you've made it abundantly clear your mind is made up about the subject (probably from the shitty experiences you've had in the past with women).
You ever consider being an author? You've got some cool stories. Or comedy? Because I'm laughin my ass off right now.
"Nerds??" You don't think you're one and you're posting on a gaming forum? Too funny. I think that comedy career is calling.
Edit: This will be my last post directed at you, If you don't like what's going on here, please leave. This isn't about justifying game to trolls and whipped softies, its about helping fellow TL members become better at interacting with girls.
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@SC how did you start to get involved in improv comedy? I've seriously been considering doing stand up as a hobby and would like to know where you started, just so I can practice for awhile before actually getting up on a stage.
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I see you're doing your try-hard attempt at being 'cocky and funny'. Girls are not a different species. The more you think that getting a girl is some sort of formula or test, the less likely you're going to succeed. It's like getting a bank loan. You get one when you show that you don't need one. And for the record, I'd be interested to see if SC can post a picture of him with a good looking white girl, because banging some low-grade Thai/Columbian ex-prostitute/slappers is nothing to be bragging about, anyone can do that.
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On October 14 2011 04:58 Pillage wrote: This isn't about justifying game to trolls and whipped softies, its about helping fellow TL members become better at interacting with girls.
Ha! Speaking for the apparently "whipped softies" of TL, every time I see this thread pop up on the sidebar I feel like I need to take a shower.
I don't know how you guys managed to convince yourselves that this any is different than those creepy seduction communities, but I'm duly impressed. I mean, to each his own, I don't really have a problem with the general mindset of this thread's proponents, but it's a little silly to delude yourself as to what you're actually doing. Look at squattincassanova's post a few entries up. It literally just says "I've learned how to pretend to have a personality so a large number of girls will want to sleep with me and therefore I'm better than you". I'm glad he's happy with new self, but let's be real, this whole thing is ludicrously superficial. There's a lot more to life than getting random ass, especially if you have to forcibly remake yourself into an arrogant hypermasculine Ken doll to do so.
Judging from what I've read in this thread, if I said "so basically you're just trying to share tips on how to convince all the bitches to come home with you?", you'd say "oh no, it's not like that at all, we're trying to share tips on how to come across as fucking awesome -- because then all the bitches want to come home with us."... Oh, I see, that's so much better. o.O
Obviously being outgoing, confident, and at least somewhat interesting is something people find attractive. That's not a secret. But why not just be those things, instead of coming up with complicated regimens and mental gymnastics to train yourself to appear those things? I just think there's a real danger in taking this too far.
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