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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
Since I became obsessed with the game, I have convinced three of my friends to start playing StarCraft II. One of them was a complete nerd, but was in no way a video game nerd. He enjoys it because, besides being fun, it takes a tremendous amount of work and is extremely competitive. The other two people I've converted are not nerds, but are susceptible to things that nerds like. One of them has previously enjoyed RPG's (not MMOs, things like D&D) while the other is just extremely intelligent. Our target audience shouldn't be all 18-24 year olds. It should be all 13-30 year olds who are susceptible to nerd-like tendencies. Rather than focusing on a narrow age-group with a broad range of interests, I think it is better to focus on a broad age-group with a narrow range of interests. | ||
Deekin[
Serbia1713 Posts
Day9 and Artosis are kind of the same kind of caster, they are very knowledgeable and know alot of tactics etc, these are good casters. Then we have casters like Tasteless, Husky, JP, DJWheat which dont know anything about the game basically, they have poor insight and knowledge about the game, these kind of casters are there to add some "fun" to the whole thing, adding some jokes here and there and yeah they are just there. I think one of those big personalities that should be "there" should be one of the knowledgeble guys (this is the most important) so either Day9 or Artosis, I'd say Day9 as Artosis already has a full scheduled job. Then we have caster who adds some fun etc, now Im maybe gonna break some of your guys bubbles but I would like to see Husky here. The Husky+Day9 combo from MLG has just been stunningly fun and good, they are such a match, like black and white, jing and jang, day and night you get it. Actually I like the Day9/Husky combo even more than the Tasteless/artosis combo, yes I just said that and I stand for it 100% also your post if full of alot of fail | ||
udgnim
United States8024 Posts
if MLG gets televised on something like ESPN, how much time do people think will be dedicated to showing MLG? it definitely won't be the entirety of the event. ESPN will be losing money if MLG occupies 8+ hours a day on one of ESPN's channels. what they will show will either be games that have already been played and the footage will be edited and condensed down to fit into time slots. if they try to go to a live route, then it'll be something like just showing finals and MLG will have to try to hit ESPN's TV air time for the finals. the problem with this route is that a lot of story and drama will be missing because people won't know the path people took to reach the finals. | ||
Tuxedo
United States134 Posts
MLG I think has the right feel. The crowd enthuiasm + the great content makes for the perfect show on tv. | ||
Xinder
United States2269 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:52 Shiori wrote: Fucking retarded post, no offense. Selling out to attract a demographic isn't exactly what I'd call good for Starcraft. Sc2 isn't about attracting the frat boy group. Incontrol is worthless as a player and, if anything, should take up casting full time, because he does have some charisma. Not having analysis completely destroys the experience for anyone who isn't just flicking through the channels. Perhaps you need to stop thinking that gamers need to pretend to be something they're not. Gamers aren't the problem. The problem is that there has existed a permeating stigma about the sorts of people gamers are. This stigma is unjustified and can only be rectified properly by changing the way society sees gamers, not by changing gamers and having everyone fake it. Like it or not, the people who play Sc2 have more in common with Artosis than they do with Incontrol, and that isn't a bad thing. There are all sorts of emerging markets and demographics, but you want us to pretend to be bros so we can snipe some of the CoD crowd. No thanks. I just wanted to point out that I thought your post was well worded and had good points, however the part that I bolded you could have done with out. Otherwise it was a fine post and brought up some interesting points. In my opinion I don't think there's a problem with ESPN showing who SC2 fans/players really are. I mean we have people like Gordon Hayward coming out and saying he plays SC2 and then goes and plays the open bracket at IPL3. That's awesome and helps get rid of the stigma of "nerds" looking like characters from "Revenge of the Nerds". Also i think if ESPN were to show some of those interviews they've had with the Professional Athletes that also play SC2 prior to actually showing a game of SC2 it would help a lot. | ||
Anchen
United States31 Posts
1) The soccer route. No commercial breaks except say at half time and during pre and post game. Let's you keep things live. Probably have to force players to take breaks for commercials between games. This happens for Korean broodwar starcraft telecasts. 2) The Poker/WSOP route. Get maximum production values, do everything based on recordings and casts. Can schedule commercials breaking into long games as necessary if there is a good moment. Would be more episodic and probably broadcasting an entire tournament. As for the TV viewing shift that is mostly for broadcasted shows I think. Live sports still seems to mostly be on tv. That said if barcraft can work then maybe online broadcasts would work just fine in the long run. | ||
Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:06 dubRa wrote: Why would you change nerdiness? What do you gain? You want to portray the starcraft community in a way we are not just to appeal to the mainstream? "Man, just be proud you are a Starcraft gamer. There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." day9 It pains me to say this, but having that kind of outlook is sort of being hipster. Today most people see video gamers as nerds. It may not be true, but perception can be greater than reality. Having non-dorky people helps non-dorks relate to sc2. Having dorky people helps dorks relate to sc2. Think about other shows and who represents them. How many mathematicians are the face of football or basketball? Sure there are some nerdier personalities, but they are rarely on broadcasts and are usually there to be "experts" or "analysts." Day9 is right that there is nothing better than being proud of what you love, but if you met a kid who was proud he picked is boogers or was proud of his abstract art made of his feces, you wouldn't think to yourself," hey that guy is pretty cool". There is more to it than just thinking that sc2 is cool and thus you are cool. | ||
Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:15 Trezeguet wrote: It pains me to say this, but having that kind of outlook is sort of being hipster. Today most people see video gamers as nerds. It may not be true, but perception can be greater than reality. Having non-dorky people helps non-dorks relate to sc2. Having dorky people helps dorks relate to sc2. Think about other shows and who represents them. How many mathematicians are the face of football or basketball? Sure there are some nerdier personalities, but they are rarely on broadcasts and are usually there to be "experts" or "analysts." Day9 is right that there is nothing better than being proud of what you love, but if you met a kid who was proud he picked is boogers or was proud of his abstract art made of his feces, you wouldn't think to yourself," hey that guy is pretty cool". There is more to it than just thinking that sc2 is cool and thus you are cool. Did you really just compare gamers to kids that pick their noses? | ||
Thrill
2599 Posts
The one thing i agree on is the point on analysis. We should definitely have a "studio" akin to that of most offline sports that are covered on TV. A host, an expert and a couple of guests that break down the games and offer in-depth perspective to what happened on and off the court. Imagine DJ Wheat, the host asking Artosis, the expert what Tylers problem was during the game - Artosis offers an analysis and also asks the guest, Nazgul, to provide an insight into recent events behind the scenes. I can't wait for them all to sit around a 'touch screen television-table' circling units, drawing arrows and discussing plays while fast forwarding and pausing the replay of a game we just saw. | ||
SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:14 Anchen wrote: Two options for broadcasting for starcraft I would say are: 1) The soccer route. No commercial breaks except say at half time and during pre and post game. Let's you keep things live. Probably have to force players to take breaks for commercials between games. This happens for Korean broodwar starcraft telecasts. 2) The Poker/WSOP route. Get maximum production values, do everything based on recordings and casts. Can schedule commercials breaking into long games as necessary if there is a good moment. Would be more episodic and probably broadcasting an entire tournament. As for the TV viewing shift that is mostly for broadcasted shows I think. Live sports still seems to mostly be on tv. That said if barcraft can work then maybe online broadcasts would work just fine in the long run. I would definitely stay away from the WSOP route. Watching portions of games rather than complete games makes the sc2 experience worse. | ||
SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:15 Trezeguet wrote: It pains me to say this, but having that kind of outlook is sort of being hipster. Today most people see video gamers as nerds. It may not be true, but perception can be greater than reality. Having non-dorky people helps non-dorks relate to sc2. Having dorky people helps dorks relate to sc2. Think about other shows and who represents them. How many mathematicians are the face of football or basketball? Sure there are some nerdier personalities, but they are rarely on broadcasts and are usually there to be "experts" or "analysts." Day9 is right that there is nothing better than being proud of what you love, but if you met a kid who was proud he picked is boogers or was proud of his abstract art made of his feces, you wouldn't think to yourself," hey that guy is pretty cool". There is more to it than just thinking that sc2 is cool and thus you are cool. I don't know about where you live, but here in the UK nearly EVERYONE plays X-box, tons of people play Halo and quite a few watch comp as well. The leap from Xbox to PC is minute (although PC gaming is considered hipster gaming here ^_^) and the leap from playing Sc2 to watching Sc2 is even smaller. I think that eSports is going to play out differently from the OP. The OP seems to think that eSports is going to have to conform to mainstream culture. I think it will work the other way round - eSports will at some point REDEFINE mainstream culture. | ||
gulati
United States2241 Posts
I would rather keep shit real, and have Teamliquid.net, and the grassroots tournaments, where true passion is derived, than to make mainstreamed, corporate America, judge how we should act and who we should be. If this is done on TV, I don't want anything to be fake - we need to tell it like it is. There better be nerds everywhere, just like OnGameNet and MBCGame. | ||
tok
United States691 Posts
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Anoint
United States30 Posts
But on another note I would just rather watch it at my computer rather that turn on a tv. | ||
Zanno
United States1484 Posts
The broadcast needs to be noob friendly. Cut the analysis out during the game. The casters should be explaining the absolute basics and building hype with play-by-play analysis. Doing anything else is detrimental. You're making a show for people that have never seen SC2 before. i think this is absolutely 100% wrongthe reason why is that everyone who has tried to do things this way, was not successful i think part of the reason that starcraft has managed to get as popular as it did, is because of the commentary by making it sound detailed and complex, your average noob will be mystified, and think it's serious stuff compare this to the disastrous play by play efforts of previous leagues on tv. no one took it seriously, because they simplified the games so much that there didn't appear to be anything to take serious you can use the average 5 minutes or so of downtime at the start of the game to explain really basic stuff, but once the game starts to heat up, you need to show the game for the intricate technical rts that it is, otherwise the accomplishments of the player seem meaningless | ||
Thrill
2599 Posts
[QUOTE]On October 18 2011 06:06 dubRa wrote: How many mathematicians are the face of football or basketball? Sure there are some nerdier personalities, but they are rarely on broadcasts and are usually there to be "experts" or "analysts." [/QUOTE] What? Why would they be? How does that comparison even make sense? "Dorks" as you refer to them; play, watch and analyze Starcraft. Mathematicians have very little to do with football and basketball. | ||
DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
Personally, I don't want to "sell out" so to speak. I love SC2 as it is. Hell I've probably watched more SC2 matches than everyone here (I've been following this game since release and have watched every major tournament since). So yea, I am passionate about what we have so far. But online we are capped. The television market is just an easier way to reach a much wider audience. Also remember that what we start with on TV, isn't necessarily what's going to exist a year later. We start being noob friendly, then we transition into what we have online right now. Just like how many people started SC2 with Husky/HD (very noob friendly) and have since transitioned into loving the analytical approach that artosis or day[9] brings. You have to capture the audience, then you can start incorporating them into the mold we currently have. I'll take some time to respond to individual points later tonight. Some of you are bringing up awesome things that I definitely want to respond to. | ||
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