Why would you want to downgrade and limit yourself to that.
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BWILLdur
United States100 Posts
Why would you want to downgrade and limit yourself to that. | ||
coma
Germany86 Posts
The major issue I see with all of this though is the exclusivity that goes with broadcasting something like MLG on TV, in the US for example. If I was an executive of a channel I would probably not make a contract that allows them to also stream the event on the Internet. Reason enough for me to not like it. | ||
Freedomringer
United States34 Posts
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Wockets
Hong Kong467 Posts
On October 20 2011 12:04 OSM.OneManArmy wrote: Selling out and destroying the major parts of the e-sports scene will hurt the major demographic rather than help it. The majority of people that watch will remain and always be StarCraft 2 players (obviously). To totally harm the majority of viewers to attempt to appeal to mainstream audiences that may or may not get hooked onto such a complex game is a rather foolish idea in my opinion. I see nothing wrong with leaving e-sports to be on the streams. IMO there should be a stream pass for all major tourneys so you can just pay one flat fee per year. I think its worth a try, players need to be able to make a good living out of this OUTSIDE of Korea. More viewers would lead to more cash in the scene. I don't think this is a big sacrifice to take, as we don't lose much, maybe have a separate stream for the hardcore starcraft fans like ourselves. Think about the possible benefits this leads to for the growth of the Starcraft 2 international scene and esports in general. Really nice post. We all want the growth of eSports, right? | ||
Vortigan
Denmark306 Posts
I'm also not sure I agree on conforming sc too too much to please the television format. If you censor out the giant personalities like Artosis (or the giant nerds if u will) then the whole thing loses its charm and instead becomes impersonal, fake and commercialized. I wouldn't want that. lets take HD for instance, he would probably be very suited for television however, a lot of people complain that his passion for the game comes off as fake. I don't think that's true but its certainly a risk u take when trying to conform.... | ||
Sawofhackness
Afghanistan183 Posts
Its very very simple.. If they put *game you don't already play* on TV how long before you would switch it off? And remember, you are already an RTS nerd. To a non-RTS nerd, a "normal" person, its just a bunch if colours moving on the screen, it means nothing to them. If huge numbers start watching SC2 in streams then it will make a _natural_ progression to TV, otherwise no. You don't go to TV, TV comes to you. The only SC2 that should make it to TV are the documentaries, which already have, e.g. the National Geographic doc on Korean SC1 scene. /been having this debate for almost 15 years | ||
xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
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anaig
Denmark11 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:23 Sawofhackness wrote: If huge numbers start watching SC2 in streams then it will make a _natural_ progression to TV, otherwise no. You don't go to TV, TV comes to you. This. SC 2 will make it to TV when it's profitable for the different networks. Forcing SC 2 on TV earlier may backfire hard and scare off future investors. | ||
Order
Lithuania231 Posts
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baba44713
83 Posts
In any case.. it just didn't work. Can't point out exactly why. Perhaps it was the caster, who wasn't too horrible, but was desperately trying to hold middle ground between talking to a viewer who knows absolutely nothing about the game and viewer who knows the game well, in the end catering to neither. Perhaps it was the fact that SC2 on TV just looks odd. Perhaps it's because I am used to enjoying the casts as personal thing, not something I like watching with other people, especially those who know squat about the game and all they see is some weird buildings and tiny armies moving about killing each other hither and tother. So.. yeah. I just don't see it happening right now. Not on a large scale in any case. | ||
shortsteve
29 Posts
Honestly Artosis and Tasteless will probably never have a seat at the casting table anyways. You guys forget that they're contracted with GomTV. They can't just contract themselves with another TV station it'd be a conflict of interest. Most likely MLG will use casters they're directly contracted with. I don't see how trying to go for a larger demographic is bad. The only issue really is the first issue the OP pointed out with getting the matches to work with a standard TV schedule. Having a noob friendly cast panel I don't think is a large cost if it means we can market ourselves to millions of others. | ||
Order
Lithuania231 Posts
On October 20 2011 22:28 shortsteve wrote: I don't understand some of the sentiment in this thread. Just because the cast will have to be a noob friendly cast automatically means that they're selling out? Honestly Artosis and Tasteless will probably never have a seat at the casting table anyways. You guys forget that they're contracted with GomTV. They can't just contract themselves with another TV station it'd be a conflict of interest. Most likely MLG will use casters they're directly contracted with. I don't see how trying to go for a larger demographic is bad. The only issue really is the first issue the OP pointed out with getting the matches to work with a standard TV schedule. Having a noob friendly cast panel I don't think is a large cost if it means we can market ourselves to millions of others. TeamLiquid has been working for years to keep the ignorant, the arrogant and the dumb out. Why ruin that? | ||
Silidons
United States2813 Posts
just something as simple as "hot damn, look at how fast that guy is!" could be the ticket really | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:23 Sawofhackness wrote: Its very very simple.. If they put *game you don't already play* on TV how long before you would switch it off? And remember, you are already an RTS nerd. To a non-RTS nerd, a "normal" person, its just a bunch if colours moving on the screen, it means nothing to them. If huge numbers start watching SC2 in streams then it will make a _natural_ progression to TV, otherwise no. You don't go to TV, TV comes to you. The only SC2 that should make it to TV are the documentaries, which already have, e.g. the National Geographic doc on Korean SC1 scene. /been having this debate for almost 15 years first off, it isn't simple. second off, in korea people who watch SC (Fangirls, anyone?) don't necessarily play it. You may say "well, that is korea!" but it isn't true. I watch SC2, and don't own the game. I've played it, sure, but my computer isn't good enough to run it, so I watch streams and play SC1. This is backed up by the LoL viewership numbers. I guarantee not everyone plays it. Of the 180 million unique views of MLG this weekend, I would wager over half haven't bought a copy of SC2, so I disagree with you. For you saying "it is colors on a screen", and while I could respond with "what isn't", I will just argue that the op addressed this in terms of making it noob friendly (where he suggested Sean "Day[9]" Plott, of the Day[9]Daily, who not only is a great caster and teacher, but was also a great player who was around A- level PGT and smashed countless nerds at American World Cyber Games.) "If 'huge numbers' start watching sc2...." over 180 million isn't huge? | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
On October 20 2011 23:17 Bill Murray wrote: ["If 'huge numbers' start watching sc2...." over 180 million isn't huge? 180 million??? | ||
darkest44
United States1009 Posts
The caster would have to dumb down the game to shit to appeal to a wider audience and that would piss off a lot of fans here as usual (half the people here complain even when a caster isn't very close to artosis smart or calls a strat/play/outcome wrong). If only sc2 fans watched, it couldn't even get near the numbers of tournament streams, and those numbers would not be good enough for tv. Sc2 streams can be viewed all over the world by anyone, not everyone has ESPN2 on the other hand, and do they even have it at all in Europe, Korea, Australia, etc? An actual tournament would take ages in 1 or 2 hour blocks, unless you skip many matches. Some games end up being awful and TV needs to stay consistent. You have a shitty episode or two because of awful games, or unpopular players, that people turn off and suddenly the show is canceled. I dont know see why many sc2 fans would want to watch sc2 chopped up, editted, mutilated, interrupted by 3 minutes of commercials mid-game etc just because its on tv when they can watch it in a much better format online. I'm sure most fans would tune in for the first episode or two just for the novelty of it but would quickly get bored with seeing it in such a butchered format. SC2 is not similar to poker at all, you have to be clueless to compare the two. The only similarity is you have to sit down for both. Poker is 1000x more accessable than SC2. All you need is a $2 deck of cards (not a $60 game and a decent computer) or someone who has a deck (everyone). The game is EXTREMELY easy to at least learn and understand, you can explain the rules and basic play in about 2 minutes and with a little luck catching cards a complete noob can win some hands against anyone. You can't do that with sc2 at all lol. SC2 is also not a social game when broadcasted like poker, in poker you have a bunch of guys sitting around a table chatting pretty often and you can really see their personalities, in sc2 you have 1vs1 with "gl hf" "gg" as the only conversation. Most importantly, poker is also not seen as "nerdy" by your average macho american male who watches ESPN, average dudes have sat around playing poker with their buds over a beer and some cash before poker took off on tv and frat boys play it all the time. I don't really think your average joe schmo who watches sports is going to tune in and see some nerdy video game he knows nothing about and doesn't understand whats going on and not just flip the clicker to the other hundred channels he has access to and actually understands or even complains to ESPN about showing some "nerdy shit" on his sports channel instead of another football game. Funnily enough I could easily imagine sc2 on espn2 having more average-sports-watching-bro anti-fans calling for it to be canceled than fans actually watching it. | ||
OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
I agree that some of the casters we have in the scene right now are not suitable for mainstream television. I personally don't find the English casters as exciting as the Korean casters (I've been watching BW since... the beginning). Let me clarify this, I'm not saying that the English casters are less knowledgeable or under-qualified. Even Korean on OGN/MBC casters make mistakes, despite their years and years of experience. What sets them apart though, is the ability to build momentum and excitement with their casting. With English casts, usually done in pairs, I find lack of momentum/excitement because both the casters are focused on analysis and details rather than making it exciting for the average viewer. The trio-format of MBC/OGN has worked so well because while one of the three plays the analyst role, the other two are supplementing him with comments and fillers that are both factual and exciting. There is this build up of tension and giant release through GEEEEE GEEEEE that makes the ride really exhilarating with OGN/MBC broadcasts. All of this being said, I agree with your selection of Day[9]/Tasteless over Artosis (or similar). If I was in the position of ESPN, I'd pick Day[9] to be my main caster for both his name value and expertise, then pick two young/attractive/passionate individuals with some sports casting experience, male or female. | ||
ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On October 20 2011 23:44 darkest44 wrote: SC2 on American tv will never work, especially with live games, just too much variance. The only way it would possibly work is if a whole channel was dedicated to sc2/other esports and could be formatted around that. It will never work on ESPN2. TV has set schedules and commercials, SC2 is the opposite in every way. What happens when you have a bo3 scheduled in a 1 hour program and the first game takes 50minutes? Are people really going to want to go out of their way to watch 1 single game of sc in many cases? Games would have to be edited, skipped, broken up etc. This, I think it's a huge issue. What pays the network's bills are advertisers. When you have games of varying lengths, do you break after 20 mins, then bring the viewer back 2 minutes later and say, "too bad you didn't see what happened?" It just kills the action. Other sports have a perfect progression, like quarters/periods or innings in baseball where there's a clearly delineated break where they can throw to advertisements. There isn't that in a SC2 match. | ||
KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
in the US you have all kinds of shit and alot of it. I honestly think there is no way of getting SC2 on TV, maybe if some rich sc2 fan bought a channel or something... | ||
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