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On November 03 2011 11:42 David451 wrote: Lay Report:
We met over some Italian food. I just acted like myself and shared my interests like a normal person. She'd been going on dates with lots of guys with way more game than me. Guys more traveled, funnier, confident, better at conversation, etc. I felt like our first date was really awkward. Didn't matter, she liked me anyway. She paid for my dinner. I don't know why she did, and I really don't care. I've never been more comfortable in a relationship. + Show Spoiler + We're getting married next year.
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Being someone you are not to impress someone will make them like a person who isn't you, it will either devour you from the inside that nobody you know really knows who you really are, or you can live a lie... some people do.
I've had tons of girls, I was awkward and shy as hell in the start but practice makes perfect. I used to get myself really durnk and force myself to go talk with em at clubs/bars and from there things got better and better. Now I don't care that much and it feels great not being the horny teenager I once was. Thing is ofcourse I tried to be more charming and funny than I might usually be but in the end I hated myself for it, but that's just me. Anyway sex isn't worth the self deception, atleast not in my case.
EDIT: This process is something one can only do for oneself, I can't share my experience with anyone and make them the wiser per automatique, they need to experience and evolve by their own: As did I. So meh do what ever feels right, go get some girls or guys, have sex (it is fun and dandy), just remember to not make it into a life and death quest.
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On November 03 2011 11:48 Krehlmar wrote: Being someone you are not to impress someone will make them like a person who isn't you, it will either devour you from the inside that nobody you know really knows who you really are, or you can live a lie... some people do.
I've had tons of girls, I was awkward and shy as hell in the start but practice makes perfect. I used to get myself really durnk and force myself to go talk with em at clubs/bars and from there things got better and better. Now I don't care that much and it feels great not being the horny teenager I once was. Thing is ofcourse I tried to be more charming and funny than I might usually be but in the end I hated myself for it, but that's just me. Anyway sex isn't worth the self deception, atleast not in my case.
EDIT: This process is something one can only do for oneself, I can't share my experience with anyone and make them the wiser per automatique, they need to experience and evolve by their own: As did I. So meh do what ever feels right, go get some girls or guys, have sex (it is fun and dandy), just remember to not make it into a life and death quest.
The only people in this thread who are claiming that "pickup is acting like someone who is not you" are the people who are against the idea in the first place.
Probably the most common piece of advice that has been given in this thread is for guys to step outside their comfort zone and actually make an approach. That is NOT changing anything about who you are, it is simply telling you to make an effort to SHOW someone else who you are. Anyone can be charming and funny if they are comfortable enough with the people that they are around - otherwise, you wouldn't have any friends at all. Pickup in many senses of the term, is teaching people to build a bridge between this "charming cocky funny whatever" personality that they have in the comfort of their own homes/rooms/wherever, and the persona that they project to people in their daily life.
Show my a post so far by someone who is Pro-pickup, and is telling someone else that they need to necessarily "change who they are" - sure, we can tell you that you should probably wear nice clothes, that it helps to work out, but the main thing is that people need to go out there with some confidence, and that comes from experience and understanding.
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On November 03 2011 08:46 Grumbels wrote:I'm sure you and lots of others are benefiting a lot from it, but at least don't engage in these silly wordgames where everything ever said about PUA by someone not in the know is met with some rhetorical slight of hand to divert actual discussion.
I call bullshit. I answered the questions that you asked, demonstrating why you didn't know what you were talking about. Now you're just moving the goalposts.
If there's no way to prove you wrong, then you're an idealogue or irrational. Either way, you're not having a reasonable discussion. Did you come here just to troll?
On November 03 2011 10:32 Egyptian_Head wrote:I use that cocky and funny thing as an example, people say be cocky and funny that's what the girl wants. Yes some girls will want that. Others won't , and unless you are prepared to become that person, I don't think there is a point to this beyond looking to hook up. But even if you are just looking to hook up this is unnecessary.
How did you decide what is or isn't necessary? What if your goal isn't just to get your penis wet, but to game someone out of your league? Do you have a reasonable chance of seducing a supermodel just by being confident and funny?
Not everyone is just looking to hook up. People study seduction for many reasons. Some people just want to learn how to become charming and suave enough that they can get the girl of their dreams, girls that wouldn't give them a second look if they were stuttering virgins.
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Single for a few days now. Had an awesome night out at the bar. Went to the first bar, they said I was too drunk to get in. Whatever. Went to this other place for a second, checked some stuff out, went to the second bar. Tore up the dance floor. It was literally all HB8's+ and me. Danced for like 30 minutes? Got some play from the girls. My ass was grabbed. Some girls danced at me very aggressively. Did some side holding (like when you put your hand on a girls side, think small of the back but then 90 degrees off or w/e). Didn't attempt to close anyone. Opened a pretty tough set to start the night off. My town is almost entirely white so I opened up with a set of 4 black people. Got the 3 guys names and then got blown off by the very attractive black woman, that is to say when I approached she turned away from me so I couldn't approach her. Think she danced with me on the floor but can't really be sure. The really bizarre thing is I get the best responses from the hottest girls. You would think it would be inversely correlated but actually the more attractive a girl is the more approachable she is, for me. Helps that I invariably think up a clever line when I face an encounter with a beautiful woman.
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So what do you do when you undoubtedly like a girl that you have been hooking up with for a while who also undoubtedly likes you, but you are still hooking up with randoms without any problem? She'd be upset if she knew, but at the same time i'm having too much fun with randoms...
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On November 03 2011 14:22 decafchicken wrote:So what do you do when you undoubtedly like a girl that you have been hooking up with for a while who also undoubtedly likes you, but you are still hooking up with randoms without any problem? She'd be upset if she knew, but at the same time i'm having too much fun with randoms...
Be honest with her. If she doesn't ask or otherwise display an interest in knowing if you're hooking up with randoms, then by all means don't give her unwanted news, but if you believe that she would like to know, then do tell her the truth. Lying to women is for betas.
Should you tell her, you'll likely have to either convince her to accept that you aren't interested in a monogamous relationship at the moment (and therefore go for an open relationship or continue the status quo), break it off with her, or stop hooking up with randoms.
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On November 03 2011 13:28 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:46 Grumbels wrote:I'm sure you and lots of others are benefiting a lot from it, but at least don't engage in these silly wordgames where everything ever said about PUA by someone not in the know is met with some rhetorical slight of hand to divert actual discussion. I call bullshit. I answered the questions that you asked, demonstrating why you didn't know what you were talking about. Now you're just moving the goalposts. If there's no way to prove you wrong, then you're an idealogue or irrational. Either way, you're not having a reasonable discussion. Did you come here just to troll? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:32 Egyptian_Head wrote:I use that cocky and funny thing as an example, people say be cocky and funny that's what the girl wants. Yes some girls will want that. Others won't , and unless you are prepared to become that person, I don't think there is a point to this beyond looking to hook up. But even if you are just looking to hook up this is unnecessary. How did you decide what is or isn't necessary? What if your goal isn't just to get your penis wet, but to game someone out of your league? Do you have a reasonable chance of seducing a supermodel just by being confident and funny? Not everyone is just looking to hook up. People study seduction for many reasons. Some people just want to learn how to become charming and suave enough that they can get the girl of their dreams, girls that wouldn't give them a second look if they were stuttering virgins. Do you even know what moving goalposts means? It's very simple, PUA is a vaguely defined something with a bunch of conflicting advice that people can choose from and that means different things to everyone. You say that obviously a 'neg' is a defensive measure to 'bitch shield' or something? That's taking like the most benign version of it and claiming everyone holds to that definition. I don't care if you personally use PUA advice very responsibly, but you shouldn't deny that a sizable part of it is plainly objectifying women and that you can't expect anything else but a lot of people attracted to that. Why else do you think PUA is worshiped in lots of internet communities that are misogynist (like reddit's men's rights forum).
Again, if you want to take up playing casanova as a hobby, be my guest, but I keep seeing a whole bunch of assumptions about women in this thread such as about expected dynamics between a 9 and a 7 women hanging out together or whatever. I think you would only really have those dynamics if you choose your dating space (single bar?) carefully and try to subtly enforce some traditional frame of male/female interaction. So it's like a game that you can play in the singles bar, but I honestly wonder about its value outside of those areas unless you're thinking that self-improvement is unique to PUA.
Personally, I am not interested in one-night-stands, I have to admit. I would be happy having a girlfriend and I wouldn't care how she looked, as long as we got along. I think that's a more sensible approach (the last part of that) than implicitly valuing sleeping with a 9 more than with a 7. Or videotaping women while you talk to them and then saying it's okay, since you're probably not ever going to see them again. (casanova isn't really a figure you want to emulate, having ruined a variety of lives and being a slave to his sexual passions. He never enjoyed sleeping with the same women more than some times, an effect known as the "Coolidge effect", which isn't really something to be proud of.)
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I am a pimp level MASTER of several years, and I almost drown in pussy. Sometimes so much pussy comes, I have to say no and walk away.
This is advice from a true PLAYA to all you TL fellows:
Spend less time arguing on the Internet and more time getting pussy.
OK, have a nice day, I'm out ejaculating into some girl. Bye bye!
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On November 03 2011 18:14 Grumbels wrote:It's very simple, PUA is a vaguely defined something with a bunch of conflicting advice that people can choose from and that means different things to everyone. You say that obviously a 'neg' is a defensive measure to 'bitch shield' or something? That's taking like the most benign version of it and claiming everyone holds to that definition.
And where exactly are you getting your definition? The misconceptions generally held by wannabes, the media, and other people who aren't in the seduction community? Here is a definition from a seduction community website (the original, to be precise).
You're the equivalent of someone who doesn't play Starcraft trying to tell progamers what their game is about. If you'd like to dispute the veracity of my claims, do your research first.
On November 03 2011 18:14 Grumbels wrote:I don't care if you personally use PUA advice very responsibly, but you shouldn't deny that a sizable part of it is plainly objectifying women and that you can't expect anything else but a lot of people attracted to that.
Objectification is an attitude that regards a person a person as a commodity or as an object for use, with little or no regard for a person's personality or sentience. If you think that PUAs disregard a woman's personality and sentience, you don't know the first thing about seduction. The whole purpose of the activity is to figure out how to make women happy, instead of resorting to traditional means like buying a woman's affection or taking it by force.
Seduction is a skill. Yes, there are people attracted to it for the wrong reasons, just as there are people attracted to martial arts for the wrong reasons, or the study of law, or hacking, or any sort of learnable skill that gives you power over others. That doesn't mean that the study of seduction is inherently bad, no more than martial arts are bad because they attract violent sociopaths as well as people who use them legitimately.
On November 03 2011 18:14 Grumbels wrote:Why else do you think PUA is worshiped in lots of internet communities that are misogynist (like reddit's men's rights forum).
I'm going to veer away from this can of worms since it's pretty off-topic, but it's ironic that you think equal rights for men is misogynistic.
On November 03 2011 18:14 Grumbels wrote:I keep seeing a whole bunch of assumptions about women in this thread such as about expected dynamics between a 9 and a 7 women hanging out together or whatever. I think you would only really have those dynamics if you choose your dating space (single bar?) carefully and try to subtly enforce some traditional frame of male/female interaction. So it's like a game that you can play in the singles bar, but I honestly wonder about its value outside of those areas unless you're thinking that self-improvement is unique to PUA.
Seduction is extremely broad and there's literature and discussion devoted to different social situations. Yes, much of it concerns mainstream bar/club/nightlife scenarios, because that's how most people hook up, lest we Starcraft geeks forget. However, it's not limited to that. As I've mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, I'm not personally too fond of mainstream nightlife (I prefer women who are more professional/geeky/feminist than is typically found in mainstream clubs). As a result, I've personally focused my growth on day game, online game, and general social skills, rather than night game, mainstream dating, etc.
Nevertheless, I consider what I've learned from the seduction community as well as hundreds of conventional cold approaches invaluable for my own purposes (they also come in handy when friends drag me along to bars/clubs). You're correct in that seduction is not the only approach to develop these skills (I'm sure talking to hundreds of different people will help you develop better social skills, regardless of a seduction framework or not), but it's certainly a viable approach.
On November 03 2011 18:14 Grumbels wrote:Personally, I am not interested in one-night-stands, I have to admit. I would be happy having a girlfriend and I wouldn't care how she looked, as long as we got along.
I don't disagree. As I've alluded to above, as well as in some of my other posts in this thread, I'm also not interested in one-night stands. Accordingly, I use what I've learned from the seduction community to pursue what I want, which is open relationships and friends with benefits (the real kind, as in emphasis on 'friends'). Plenty of other people come to the seduction community because they want a nice girlfriend. Seduction is a skill/tool; how you use it is up to you.
I think you're a reasonable person, but your view of the seduction community is very biased/close-minded due to unfounded assumptions and secondhand knowledge.
On November 03 2011 18:14 Grumbels wrote:I think that's a more sensible approach (the last part of that) than implicitly valuing sleeping with a 9 more than with a 7.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that the seduction community does this. Yes, some individuals do so, but that can be more or less generalized to the rest of the human male (and female) population. There's nothing inherent about the seduction community that values looks, beyond acknowledging that the former is probabilistically a greater challenge. If anything, bedding hot women tends to make you care less about looks once you get past the novelty/forbidden fruit aspect.
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Hey sunprince whats your method of improving daygame? My nightgame is pretty decent since I'm pretty aggressive at night, but as you know that doesnt go down too well in the day, and I seem a little more anxious in the day too (from the lack of alcohol?)
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I don't think men's rights is a misogynist notion, just that the particular reddit subforum about it tends to be that way. And I guess you're right, I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with one-night stands or nightlife or dating, if anyone wants to do that that's fine. I only get "vibes" (not very scientific, I know) of sleaziness out of so many members of the community that maybe I'm too harsh on the people who use it for good, not for evil. But at the very least I think it's important to acknowledge you can use it for objectifying ends and in a certain way it's almost designed to be used like that. I don't know how things are inside the community, but I hope topics like these do come up and the members who only are interested in finding ways to trick girls into sleeping with them are in some way shunned.
I recall reading some guy's blog posts about how he used "subliminal messaging": he would tell a co-worker in a soft voice "I want you.... .... ... to help me with this for a second" and would try to hold hands with her for just as long as he could get away with. And while I doubt such silly tricks work, he was a member of a PUA community after all, I didn't see any comments that attacked him for acting this way.
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On November 03 2011 21:51 bloopie wrote:Hey sunprince whats your method of improving daygame? My nightgame is pretty decent since I'm pretty aggressive at night, but as you know that doesnt go down too well in the day, and I seem a little more anxious in the day too (from the lack of alcohol?)
It sounds like you're putting too much pressure on yourself. Relax! Daygame is not about pushing for closes, it's about making friends.
Your goal should just be focusing on being social. Make eye contact, smile, start up conversations. Make friends wherever you go. What you're basically doing is brightening up everyone's day, and people will love you for it. If you're not having conversations with cuties that you see during the day, then start doing so!
Once you're in the habit of regularly talking to interesting strangers, then work on developing good conversational skills (with an emphasis on building rapport) and you can progress to transitioning into instant dates ("Y'know, I was just about to hit up the Starbucks over there. You wanna come along?", etc.) or number closes. Keep in mind that compared to night game, daygame tends to lead first to friendship rather than anything overtly sexual, but the friend zone actually makes a great stage to work from if you're not an AFC.
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On November 03 2011 22:03 Grumbels wrote:I don't think men's rights is a misogynist notion, just that the particular reddit subforum about it tends to be that way.
Well, if you put it that way, then let me fix that for you.
On November 03 2011 22:03 Grumbels wrote:I only get "vibes" (not very scientific, I know) of sleaziness out of so many members of the community
I think if you get sleazy "vibes" from someone, they're probably not a very skilled pick-up artist. After all, if they really were both sleazy and an artist at pick-up, then they should be hiding it pretty well.
On November 03 2011 22:03 Grumbels wrote:But at the very least I think it's important to acknowledge you can use it for objectifying ends and in a certain way it's almost designed to be used like that.
Your word choice might be clouding the issue somewhat. As noted in my previous response, "objectifying", or treating someone as an object without personality or sentience, is pretty much the opposite of what seduction is. Buying or taking women by force would be objectifying women, and the purpose of seduction is to avoid that by making women happy instead. Seduction is a form of persuasion, and therefore depends upon personality and sentience.
If what you mean is that seduction can be used unethically, then I do acknowledge this is true, though I am not sure how you get the impression that it is almost designed to be used unethically.
On November 03 2011 22:03 Grumbels wrote:I don't know how things are inside the community, but I hope topics like these do come up and the members who only are interested in finding ways to trick girls into sleeping with them are in some way shunned.
Discussions of ethics or gender issues don't feature prominently in the seduction community, unfortunately. That said, members do tend to frown upon egregiously unethical behavior, and the general view of PUAs is that "tricking" girls into sleeping with you is explicitly beta. Alphas don't need to "trick" girls; girls want to sleep with alphas because we're just that awesome.
On November 03 2011 22:03 Grumbels wrote:I recall reading some guy's blog posts about how he used "subliminal messaging": he would tell a co-worker in a soft voice "I want you.... .... ... to help me with this for a second" and would try to hold hands with her for just as long as he could get away with. And while I doubt such silly tricks work, he was a member of a PUA community after all, I didn't see any comments that attacked him for acting this way.
Those would be Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)/hypnosis techniques, created by Ross Jeffries. Frankly, I think they're a bunch of pseudoscientific bullshit, and if they work at all it has to be on less intelligent drunk chicks.
Blogs are generally a poor example of the seduction community, as most discussion takes place on forums and message boards. Blogs for most topics tend to be ideologically conformative, and the blogs of random PUAs are no exception.
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Looking for advice, critique:
A week ago at the gym I approached my favorite female gym goer. I feel very confident approaching girls at the gym because I usually am the most in-shape guy at the place (6'2" tight), but I am still pretty new to day game. So this time I decided to approach the hottest girl in the place because she had a similar schedule as mine. To my delight she was very responsive, big smiles and positive body language. She demonstrated interest and asked me questions about myself. However, this time I didn't go for the number. I felt like a pussy afterward and decided to man-up next time I saw her.
So yesterday I spot her at the usual time, I was chatting with some fellow gym-goers and she saw me and smiled. So approached her when she was done with her set, she remembered my name. We talked about what we did for Halloween etc, building up more rapport. So I ask her if she has a bf. She gave another big smile and said "kinda yes but no". So I go "Its okay to be 'open', I'm open. " At this point she tries to establish herself as high value by saying her job in finance keeps her busy and she'll be busy all week. So I say "you have time for the gym right? So how about I give up a gym day and you take a gym day off." She says yeah. So I ask for her number, she says yes. I didn't have a pen or a phone on me so I asked her to find me before she left. She gives a strong "Yes, I can do that."
So we both continue with our workout. 9'o clock rolls around and I am done with my workout and she is gone! The gym is medium-sized so if she wanted to find me it wouldn't be too hard. I know I bungled this one. But since I got a strong confirmation from her I figured she would let me know before she left. So now I am left with the next encounter; I am thinking of how I can re-enforce the attraction, get her number and the date without seeming needy. She will be gone in a few weeks to a new gym closer to her house when it opens, so my time is limited.
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On November 04 2011 01:37 scaban84 wrote:Looking for advice, critique: A week ago at the gym I approached my favorite female gym goer. I feel very confident approaching girls at the gym because I usually am the most in-shape guy at the place (6'2" tight), but I am still pretty new to day game. So this time I decided to approach the hottest girl in the place because she had a similar schedule as mine. To my delight she was very responsive, big smiles and positive body language. She demonstrated interest and asked me questions about myself. However, this time I didn't go for the number. I felt like a pussy afterward and decided to man-up next time I saw her. So yesterday I spot her at the usual time, I was chatting with some fellow gym-goers and she saw me and smiled. So approached her when she was done with her set, she remembered my name. We talked about what we did for Halloween etc, building up more rapport. So I ask her if she has a bf. She gave another big smile and said "kinda yes but no". So I go "Its okay to be 'open', I'm open. " At this point she tries to establish herself as high value by saying her job in finance keeps her busy and she'll be busy all week. So I say "you have time for the gym right? So how about I give up a gym day and you take a gym day off." She says yeah. So I ask for her number, she says yes. I didn't have a pen or a phone on me so I asked her to find me before she left. She gives a strong "Yes, I can do that." So we both continue with our workout. 9'o clock rolls around and I am done with my workout and she is gone! The gym is medium-sized so if she wanted to find me it wouldn't be too hard. I know I bungled this one. But since I got a strong confirmation from her I figured she would let me know before she left. So now I am left with the next encounter; I am thinking of how I can re-enforce the attraction, get her number and the date without seeming needy. She will be gone in a few weeks to a new gym closer to her house when it opens, so my time is limited.
I know you are thinking about her but shes probably not thinking about you. Next time don't mess up your logistics by actually having a phone or even a recorder. I tell girls I have a photographic memory. You are here to get better, not the specific girl. Keep opening other girls. The gym is not the most optimal place for opening, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try.
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I can't claim to have really seen much from the community, but from the bit I've seen there's a ton of trash and the "good" advice usually boils down to improve yourself so you're not totally boring and mundane.
I shrugged it off because the same guys who advocate this logically valid mindset also call Starcraft a total waste of time, so fuck them. ^_^
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On November 04 2011 02:39 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 01:37 scaban84 wrote:Looking for advice, critique: A week ago at the gym I approached my favorite female gym goer. I feel very confident approaching girls at the gym because I usually am the most in-shape guy at the place (6'2" tight), but I am still pretty new to day game. So this time I decided to approach the hottest girl in the place because she had a similar schedule as mine. To my delight she was very responsive, big smiles and positive body language. She demonstrated interest and asked me questions about myself. However, this time I didn't go for the number. I felt like a pussy afterward and decided to man-up next time I saw her. So yesterday I spot her at the usual time, I was chatting with some fellow gym-goers and she saw me and smiled. So approached her when she was done with her set, she remembered my name. We talked about what we did for Halloween etc, building up more rapport. So I ask her if she has a bf. She gave another big smile and said "kinda yes but no". So I go "Its okay to be 'open', I'm open. " At this point she tries to establish herself as high value by saying her job in finance keeps her busy and she'll be busy all week. So I say "you have time for the gym right? So how about I give up a gym day and you take a gym day off." She says yeah. So I ask for her number, she says yes. I didn't have a pen or a phone on me so I asked her to find me before she left. She gives a strong "Yes, I can do that." So we both continue with our workout. 9'o clock rolls around and I am done with my workout and she is gone! The gym is medium-sized so if she wanted to find me it wouldn't be too hard. I know I bungled this one. But since I got a strong confirmation from her I figured she would let me know before she left. So now I am left with the next encounter; I am thinking of how I can re-enforce the attraction, get her number and the date without seeming needy. She will be gone in a few weeks to a new gym closer to her house when it opens, so my time is limited. I know you are thinking about her but shes probably not thinking about you. Next time don't mess up your logistics by actually having a phone or even a recorder. I tell girls I have a photographic memory. You are here to get better, not the specific girl. Keep opening other girls. The gym is not the most optimal place for opening, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try.
Why isn't it optimal? I figure it would be the most optimal for day game. Many girls without bf's busting their ass trying to get in shape to attract guys.
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On November 04 2011 03:04 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:39 squattincassanova wrote:On November 04 2011 01:37 scaban84 wrote:Looking for advice, critique: A week ago at the gym I approached my favorite female gym goer. I feel very confident approaching girls at the gym because I usually am the most in-shape guy at the place (6'2" tight), but I am still pretty new to day game. So this time I decided to approach the hottest girl in the place because she had a similar schedule as mine. To my delight she was very responsive, big smiles and positive body language. She demonstrated interest and asked me questions about myself. However, this time I didn't go for the number. I felt like a pussy afterward and decided to man-up next time I saw her. So yesterday I spot her at the usual time, I was chatting with some fellow gym-goers and she saw me and smiled. So approached her when she was done with her set, she remembered my name. We talked about what we did for Halloween etc, building up more rapport. So I ask her if she has a bf. She gave another big smile and said "kinda yes but no". So I go "Its okay to be 'open', I'm open. " At this point she tries to establish herself as high value by saying her job in finance keeps her busy and she'll be busy all week. So I say "you have time for the gym right? So how about I give up a gym day and you take a gym day off." She says yeah. So I ask for her number, she says yes. I didn't have a pen or a phone on me so I asked her to find me before she left. She gives a strong "Yes, I can do that." So we both continue with our workout. 9'o clock rolls around and I am done with my workout and she is gone! The gym is medium-sized so if she wanted to find me it wouldn't be too hard. I know I bungled this one. But since I got a strong confirmation from her I figured she would let me know before she left. So now I am left with the next encounter; I am thinking of how I can re-enforce the attraction, get her number and the date without seeming needy. She will be gone in a few weeks to a new gym closer to her house when it opens, so my time is limited. I know you are thinking about her but shes probably not thinking about you. Next time don't mess up your logistics by actually having a phone or even a recorder. I tell girls I have a photographic memory. You are here to get better, not the specific girl. Keep opening other girls. The gym is not the most optimal place for opening, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try. Why isn't it optimal? I figure it would be the most optimal for day game. Many girls without bf's busting their ass trying to get in shape to attract guys.
Most girls are on the treadmill and dont like to be disturbed. Plus, if you suck bad, people will know whats going on and people will soon call you that creeper guy. Its like that concept of "dont shit where you eat". And thats why you dont practice pick up at work either. But if you are in the gym a lot and you are decent, why not.
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I kept thinking about 'pickup' and I realized that what squattin argues for on paper is not the essence of it. I read The Game a couple years ago (a friend sent me a link) and the concept was entirely different. I found literally a couple sentence where Mystery talked about working out and how easy it is for a guy to start looking healthy by doing that and tanning. He never actually concentrated on improving himself in general (like becoming well-educated, taking a comedy class, traveling around the world), all he worked on was his 'game', the way he communicated, opened and closed sets, caught attention. Everything was about using specific tools to make female interested, not becoming well-rounded to the extent where you don't even have to try anymore to get laid. And that's what squattin is now - his 'pickup' is nothing out of the ordinary. He might think it is but I feel like mainly due to him being antisocial and awkward before his PUA stint he makes it out to be what it's not.
If I want to look good and be charming and know how to dance just so that I can feel comfortable in every social setting - is it necessary to call me a PUA? Then why even use the term if it's virtually not any different from what every successful guy did since stone age?
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