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On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu.
Please dun compare HerO to Bisu.It's an insult no offense to HerO.He's is a good player whose skill level is increasing at a jaw-dropping rate but his accomplishment is only DH win .HerO still has a long way to go.
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On November 29 2011 00:23 Mackguy wrote:Show nested quote + Personally, I hadn't heard any hype about the UK LAN, and of the three players you mentioned, Ryung is the only one who makes me salivate ( here was the rosters, of course it was in the shadow of MLG, so they didn't get the spotlight they deserved, it was nevertheless the biggest Esport event organized in the UK Teamredbyte Italy - Mauritius "Stareagle" Carioti Dignitas - Samayan "BlinG" Kay Dignitas - Jesper "Bishu" Johansson Team Grubby - Manuel “Grubby” Schenkhuizen mousesports - Marcus "ThorZaIN" Eklöf mousesports - Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider Tt Esports - Aleksey “WhiteRa” Krupnyk Quantic Gaming - Kim “SaSe” Hammar Millenium - Ilyes “Stephano” Satouri Millenium - Benoît “Adelscott” Strypsteen Evil Geniuses - Benjamin “DeMusliM” Baker infused - Nathan “Lau” Lau Team Alternate - Jonathan “DarKFoRcE” Belke compLexity - Shijie “DreaM” Zhu (Qualifier 1) SlayerS - Kim Dong Won “Ryung” MvP - Kim Won Hyung “TAiLS” MLG is a pro american tourny where Europeans cannot fairly compete and to go through the OpenBracket a crazy/exhausting/unfair experience, props to those who got.through. (now mostly koreans... so...) Yep, and he won 10k for that, which is not nothing!
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Jjakji has been solehandedly destroying my liquidbets this month
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Not a bad power rank. Difficult, but not bad.
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I only agree with the placement of the first two players. The rest is bonkers (more or less).
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Naniwa and Ret should not be placed anywhere near any sort of top ten list . . . maybe when they're actually capable of getting through the first round of Code A.
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This is actually the best power ranking I've ever seen, though if Jjakji had been traveling, he'd be higher up
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On November 29 2011 00:14 Mackguy wrote:Show nested quote +So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? it seems, that if you are a korean living in korea, and doing nothing, you are still having a much better month than a korean abroad doing well, or a foreigner winning some tourny. And even if you are a korean going to foreign tourny and losing badly, you are still doing greater than those who got deep in such tourny.. Show nested quote +While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days. Stephano : IPL 4 qualifier winner Idra Top 8 MLG huk Top 5 MLG what about the ones from the list ? what did you they do, deserving a spot there ?
Idra and huk got a top spotted granted for their overall performance in 2011 so saying they finished top 8 or top 5 doesnt mean anything. Tell me who did they beat in these tournaments and, alongside their results at dreamhack (and battle berlin for stephano), you'll notice they havent done anything top 10 worthy.
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On November 29 2011 00:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu. Please dun compare HerO to Bisu.It's an insult no offense to HerO.He's is a good player whose skill level is increasing at a jaw-dropping rate but his accomplishment is only DH win .HerO still has a long way to go.
I didn't realise the police of comparisons used number of wins to make their justice 0_o
HerO isn't as good as Bisu, nor as accomplished, but he has a similar style, is similarly ahead of his time and has a similarly fantastic PvZ but slightly worse PvT and PvP (IMO, anyway).
I think that qualifies as allowing a comparison.
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On November 29 2011 00:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu. Please dun compare HerO to Bisu.It's an insult no offense to HerO.He's is a good player whose skill level is increasing at a jaw-dropping rate but his accomplishment is only DH win .HerO still has a long way to go. His hair maybe ? -_-
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I agree w/ all but Nestea and Ret. Should put in PuMa and Nerchio (who finally stopped sucking badly offline) in there, imo. Just my opinion though, list is kinda nice otherwise but DRG should maybe be lower?
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Decent list, dunno how I feel about ret being there though.
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replace mma with puma and imo it will be 100% accurate
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On November 29 2011 01:17 chenchen wrote: Naniwa and Ret should not be placed anywhere near any sort of top ten list . . . maybe when they're actually capable of getting through the first round of Code A. Well, Naniwa will be Code S next season so, he's obviously pretty good.
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On November 29 2011 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.>
On November 28 2011 23:15 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days.
I always get a good laugh when people who don't actually keep up with the scene try to comment on recent events. Stephano placed what, 4th at Battle in Berlin, with a better showing than Ret, as well as taking home a win for 10K at the IPL4 UK Qual@i44 LAN. IdrA took home the Gold as well as another 1k in showmatch $$ at the ASUS ROG tournament.
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I still think Mvp deserves the number 1 spot
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i would like to see haypro on one of these lists
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People weight weekend long tournaments way too heavily. MLG has just about the worst seeding format imaginable, with some of the best players in the world having to claw their way through the tiring open bracket while some of the worst players and mediocre NA amateurs are seeded very deeply. It's silly when Naniwa, who can't make it in Code A, beats Nestea. You have to consider the situation.
While Koreans fly all around the world winning almost every major foreigner tournament, foreigners who fly to Korea have trouble making it past the first round of the lower league. Koreans with time for preparation still destroy everyone.
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On November 29 2011 02:32 Bd.Snake wrote: I still think Mvp deserves the number 1 spot
its for November only.
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On November 29 2011 02:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.> Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:15 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days. I always get a good laugh when people who don't actually keep up with the scene try to comment on recent events. Stephano placed what, 4th at Battle in Berlin, with a better showing than Ret, as well as taking home a win for 10K at the IPL4 UK Qual@i44 LAN. IdrA took home the Gold as well as another 1k in showmatch $$ at the ASUS ROG tournament.
Laugh as much as you want mr-i-know-the-scene-lile-crazy-but-joined-TL-only-5-months-ago, but finishing 4th in a 8 men tournament doesnt say much. Idra won asus yeah - also a 8 men tournament with no top korean in it - but his performances in both mlg and dh were mediocre. Money won is not an indicator of how good you are, when will people get it ? Especially when you're playing a qualifer while every body in in the US trying to win one of, if not the most stacked tournament of the year.
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