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After the most recent upsets (Nani probe rush, Coca forfeits to help his teammate advance) Stephano should have been aware that such a little forfeit can turn out to be a huge upset in the community.
I think Stephano simply doesn't care to be compared to Naniwa, Coca or even Idra or Hitler. He doesn't care about the "community"/the haters childish upsets and that's what makes him an interesting person, a great champion and a funny troll.
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On January 31 2012 22:12 Morrisson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 22:03 Catbus wrote:On January 31 2012 06:09 OpticalShot wrote: I don't see anything "terribly wrong" with either of Stephano's or ONOG's decision here. Stephano was tired and didn't want to play - so he forfeited, okay. People are making parallels with the Naniwa case, but there's a definite difference in the course of action here. Naniwa grudged on and delivered something in extremely poor taste, Stephano chose not to deliver anything at all. As an organizer, ONOG did what it could to muster up a proper "finals" for the tournament, good for them.
As for player attitude and self-management, however, I believe we are only beginning to uncover a serious issue. These guys aren't properly managed. They are over-booked when their tournament results are good, and under-booked (and not earning money) when their results are bad. In other words, this resembles a bounty-hunting society where the hunter just tosses out a ton of traps and gathers up what he managed to capture, with next-to-zero thoughts about the traps that did not capture anything.
Someone suggested KeSPA-like governing body - it might work, but it has its share of problems too (just ask any BW enthusiast if they like KeSPA). I think the biggest difference is that Stephano bailed out of a final, Naniwa bailed out of a game that had no bearing on anything else. To rank Naniwas "probe rush" as poorer taste than saying "I got to sleep, bye" when he is in the finals is mind boggling.. Im not sure I mind in any of the cases, but I would definately rank it worse to drop out of games that matter. Stephano bailed out of a final of a tournament that would have already been forgoten if its wasnt for the fact that HE was invited. Take Stephano out of this tournament, and 12k ppl would NOT have watched Catz battle Tyler.... or Illusion, that Steaphano rolled without trying. It would have been another small line in the liquipedia of the player that you see only when you go to his page. He mismanaged his schedule, acted poorly, losthis second place and prize money, but stop shitting on the kid, everybody makes mistakes and this is not a important one :/ Everybody makes mistakes yes, but it seems Stephano doesn't learn from them. Poor decision making and not thinking things through with his scheduling screwed him over. Guess what? Poor decision making and not thinking things through caused a huge fiasco when he was supposed to join coL.
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Players think they have many rights but almost no responsibilities. It's not his right to play in a tournament it's his privilege.
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On January 31 2012 22:16 BoYoB wrote:Show nested quote +After the most recent upsets (Nani probe rush, Coca forfeits to help his teammate advance) Stephano should have been aware that such a little forfeit can turn out to be a huge upset in the community. I think Stephano simply doesn't care to be compared to Naniwa, Coca or even Idra or Hitler. He doesn't care about the "community"/the haters childish upsets and that's what makes him an interesting person, a great champion and a funny troll.
Interesting? Funny troll? More like a shmuck. He has no class like IdrA, sorry.
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On January 31 2012 21:42 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. he couldnt have known onog pull off a random rule and places him 4th, i bet he was convinced he gets 2nd anyway cause - guess what - he won the semis and was in the final. but i dont think he cares too much about being placed 4th or our discussion about it. Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:33 Kontys wrote: Making players play finals at 3 in the morning, then penalising players arbitrarily. Way to make yourselves look like a bunch of unprofessional idiots ONOG. not much to add. just that EU-organized online tournaments with NA invites are on friendlier times.
Of course EU tournaments are better timed for NA invites than NA for EU invites. If the games start in the afternoon in EU its early morning in NA. Its not like the tournies go out of their way to make sure the times are better for NA players though. The players look at the situation and accept that they are playing at potentially disadvantageous times. Kas though played through and won and his timezone is one hour ahead of stephano's and they both played the SCAN tournament as well.
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I like the way Stephano handles it.
nothing wrong with FFing matches. tournaments need rules, so player knowing what they facing. all good. no drama. just a bunch of childish people hating around.
move on.
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On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:49 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:44 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. He was not supposed to win the prize of 4th place as he was qualified for the final. He did not know beforehand and 600 dollars when you just got 100k... I don't know about the 100k you are talking about, but 600 dollars is more than I make every month so I don't know why someone would not take that. Oh and you guys are right, of course he could not have foreseen him being placed 4th, but I only think it's fair. The fans deserve a finals, and they cannot just postpone the finals to another day due to several obvious reasons. They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time. Illusion is obviously 2nd because he played in the finals. Stephano didn't, so I don't know where you're getting your idea that he's 2nd?
See, there's two pespectives to this, one isn't more right than the other, so it was ONOGs decision.
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My opinion: Stephano not playing finals was wrong. However, it's more wrong to steal his 2nd place and place him 4th. That basically means that tournaments have the right to do whatever they want. Where do the tournament organizers' power end? I really think that if you can just take a person's 2nd place like that, the organizers might as well alter all the placements, right? The tournament organizer shouldn't have the right to decide how the players place, it should be the result of playing it out.
So I think both people were at wrong here and I'm not sure who made worse decision, but I still don't understand how it's possible for tournament organizers to move player placements arbitratily... I thought that was probhibited by the Blizzard tournament license, but guess not? And this is coming from a person who dislikes stephano by the way
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On January 31 2012 22:21 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:42 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. he couldnt have known onog pull off a random rule and places him 4th, i bet he was convinced he gets 2nd anyway cause - guess what - he won the semis and was in the final. but i dont think he cares too much about being placed 4th or our discussion about it. On January 31 2012 21:33 Kontys wrote: Making players play finals at 3 in the morning, then penalising players arbitrarily. Way to make yourselves look like a bunch of unprofessional idiots ONOG. not much to add. just that EU-organized online tournaments with NA invites are on friendlier times. Of course EU tournaments are better timed for NA invites than NA for EU invites. If the games start in the afternoon in EU its early morning in NA. Its not like the tournies go out of their way to make sure the times are better for NA players though. The players look at the situation and accept that they are playing at potentially disadvantageous times. Kas though played through and won and his timezone is one hour ahead of stephano's and they both played the SCAN tournament as well. Kas had a 2h+ break between SCAN and OGNOG
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On January 31 2012 22:11 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 19:51 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 31 2012 19:46 Detwiler wrote: I mean seriously everyone is it really to much to ask that the players dont drop out of the freakin final of a tournament I mean wtf how is that an odd expectation or people feeling entitled to anything? He as the eSport athlete he is felt incapable of playing against one of the best Terrans outside of Korea in bo7 final and asked for a reschudle, as it was not possible he decided to take the default loss. Its his absolute right as athlete do to so. If you want to understand or not, his decision is perfectly fine. The way he 'announced' it to the tournament was not professional and everyone agrees, YET what he did was perfectly fine and would be acceptable in any sports. What ONOG should have done is play the 3rd place match and let Kas play a showmatch against the winner, I'm sure Kas would have done that. Taking the 2nd place of Stephano would mean he's disqualified. Putting him in 4th place is simply punishment and not backed up by anything, not the tournament system not a ruling. If Stephano would care about the money he would sue them and would probably get the money. He doesn't owe anyone besides his team/sponsors anything and if he felt incapable of playing its better to forfeit instead of showing very bad games. That shows you that he doesn't only care about the money, but rather about the community. He wants to deliver good games, but in his condition he had no way of delivering so he chose the alternative he had - withdraw from the tournament. Thats why I said it only works with contracts between the tournament hosts and the players for invite tournaments, just like with teams and their players. That way and with a rulebook, you can prevent situations like that OR solve them in a proper manner. Since when do "athletes" have an absolute right to do that? In what sport do teams take forfeits because they're too sleepy? You'd be ridiculed off your team for something like that. The comparison to a diva like TO isn't fair because TO played a game 6 weeks after breaking his leg, because he wanted to compete. He doesn't technically owe anyone but the tournament organizer and Millenium, but it shows that he's a bounty hunter. Honestly, what makes you think players have this inalienable right to play only when they feel at their best condition? That's simply not reality in any other job on the planet, and especially one where an event and broadcast is planned around it. Players live in their own little bubble at the moment, but this really doesn't need to happen and tournament organizers can prevent it from happening again, without very much loss. It was not perfectly fine nor acceptable in any sport.
I doubt any team manager or coach would field a player when he is falling off the bench out of exhaustion. Said player would face the consequences of failing to manage his schedule properly. It was Stephanos duty to be properly prepared for a tournament he participates in, and he didn't. That is the offense. Not him quitting.
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On January 31 2012 22:21 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 22:16 BoYoB wrote:After the most recent upsets (Nani probe rush, Coca forfeits to help his teammate advance) Stephano should have been aware that such a little forfeit can turn out to be a huge upset in the community. I think Stephano simply doesn't care to be compared to Naniwa, Coca or even Idra or Hitler. He doesn't care about the "community"/the haters childish upsets and that's what makes him an interesting person, a great champion and a funny troll. Interesting? Funny troll? More like a shmuck. He has no class like IdrA, sorry. IdrA has class?
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On January 31 2012 22:34 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 22:21 zedi wrote:On January 31 2012 22:16 BoYoB wrote:After the most recent upsets (Nani probe rush, Coca forfeits to help his teammate advance) Stephano should have been aware that such a little forfeit can turn out to be a huge upset in the community. I think Stephano simply doesn't care to be compared to Naniwa, Coca or even Idra or Hitler. He doesn't care about the "community"/the haters childish upsets and that's what makes him an interesting person, a great champion and a funny troll. Interesting? Funny troll? More like a shmuck. He has no class like IdrA, sorry. IdrA has class?
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On January 31 2012 22:17 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 22:12 Morrisson wrote:On January 31 2012 22:03 Catbus wrote:On January 31 2012 06:09 OpticalShot wrote: I don't see anything "terribly wrong" with either of Stephano's or ONOG's decision here. Stephano was tired and didn't want to play - so he forfeited, okay. People are making parallels with the Naniwa case, but there's a definite difference in the course of action here. Naniwa grudged on and delivered something in extremely poor taste, Stephano chose not to deliver anything at all. As an organizer, ONOG did what it could to muster up a proper "finals" for the tournament, good for them.
As for player attitude and self-management, however, I believe we are only beginning to uncover a serious issue. These guys aren't properly managed. They are over-booked when their tournament results are good, and under-booked (and not earning money) when their results are bad. In other words, this resembles a bounty-hunting society where the hunter just tosses out a ton of traps and gathers up what he managed to capture, with next-to-zero thoughts about the traps that did not capture anything.
Someone suggested KeSPA-like governing body - it might work, but it has its share of problems too (just ask any BW enthusiast if they like KeSPA). I think the biggest difference is that Stephano bailed out of a final, Naniwa bailed out of a game that had no bearing on anything else. To rank Naniwas "probe rush" as poorer taste than saying "I got to sleep, bye" when he is in the finals is mind boggling.. Im not sure I mind in any of the cases, but I would definately rank it worse to drop out of games that matter. Stephano bailed out of a final of a tournament that would have already been forgoten if its wasnt for the fact that HE was invited. Take Stephano out of this tournament, and 12k ppl would NOT have watched Catz battle Tyler.... or Illusion, that Steaphano rolled without trying. It would have been another small line in the liquipedia of the player that you see only when you go to his page. He mismanaged his schedule, acted poorly, losthis second place and prize money, but stop shitting on the kid, everybody makes mistakes and this is not a important one :/ Everybody makes mistakes yes, but it seems Stephano doesn't learn from them. Poor decision making and not thinking things through with his scheduling screwed him over. Guess what? Poor decision making and not thinking things through caused a huge fiasco when he was supposed to join coL.
Huge fiasco? Come on people, take a step back, take a breath, it's getting ridiculous.
Players think they have many rights but almost no responsibilities. It's not his right to play in a tournament it's his privilege. Tbh, it was a privilege for ONOG to have a player of such caliber as Stephano (and Kas), not the other way around. It's not GSL here....
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My opinion: Stephano not playing finals was wrong. However, it's more wrong to steal his 2nd place and place him 4th
lol, are people still arguing that Stephano should have 2nd place money??
Look, ONOG was running a live tournament. They NEEDED to provide a finals. Would it have been fair for Kas to play the finals vs illusion where winner took 1st and lost took 3rd place money? No!!! So they had to give out 1st and 2nd place money and on top of that, they should give Stephano 2nd place money as well?? So basically the tournament had to pay out more because one player screwed them over?
Maybe you can argue for 3rd place money. But there is no way you can justify giving Stephano 2nd place money.
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On January 31 2012 22:28 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 31 2012 21:49 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:44 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. He was not supposed to win the prize of 4th place as he was qualified for the final. He did not know beforehand and 600 dollars when you just got 100k... I don't know about the 100k you are talking about, but 600 dollars is more than I make every month so I don't know why someone would not take that. Oh and you guys are right, of course he could not have foreseen him being placed 4th, but I only think it's fair. The fans deserve a finals, and they cannot just postpone the finals to another day due to several obvious reasons. They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time. Illusion is obviously 2nd because he played in the finals. Stephano didn't, so I don't know where you're getting your idea that he's 2nd? See, there's two pespectives to this, one isn't more right than the other, so it was ONOGs decision. ye i think ONOG's decission was adequate, since stephano FFing was obviously a desaster to their tourney. he FFed his seat in the Finals. I even wouldn't blame them if they took him away from the tourny at all.
but what is more important is the lesson organizers learned (hopefully). MAKE RULES WTF!
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On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:49 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:44 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. He was not supposed to win the prize of 4th place as he was qualified for the final. He did not know beforehand and 600 dollars when you just got 100k... I don't know about the 100k you are talking about, but 600 dollars is more than I make every month so I don't know why someone would not take that. Oh and you guys are right, of course he could not have foreseen him being placed 4th, but I only think it's fair. The fans deserve a finals, and they cannot just postpone the finals to another day due to several obvious reasons. They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time.
On January 30 2012 16:47 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 16:47 Daray wrote:On January 30 2012 16:42 mTw|NarutO wrote: Edit: if its correct that he stated he didn't want for the 3rd place match to be finished, they could have played the final and cast it from replays. I don't know if he would have agreed on that. Apparently they offered him this but he just left. His own fault then. Still we got robbed a good final;;
you know this and still .... "they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time" just lol.
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On January 31 2012 22:30 Shikyo wrote: My opinion: Stephano not playing finals was wrong. However, it's more wrong to steal his 2nd place and place him 4th. That basically means that tournaments have the right to do whatever they want. Where do the tournament organizers' power end? I really think that if you can just take a person's 2nd place like that, the organizers might as well alter all the placements, right? The tournament organizer shouldn't have the right to decide how the players place, it should be the result of playing it out.
So I think both people were at wrong here and I'm not sure who made worse decision, but I still don't understand how it's possible for tournament organizers to move player placements arbitratily... I thought that was probhibited by the Blizzard tournament license, but guess not? And this is coming from a person who dislikes stephano by the way Problem of course being that Stephano didn't play it out.
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On January 31 2012 22:28 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 31 2012 21:49 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:44 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. He was not supposed to win the prize of 4th place as he was qualified for the final. He did not know beforehand and 600 dollars when you just got 100k... I don't know about the 100k you are talking about, but 600 dollars is more than I make every month so I don't know why someone would not take that. Oh and you guys are right, of course he could not have foreseen him being placed 4th, but I only think it's fair. The fans deserve a finals, and they cannot just postpone the finals to another day due to several obvious reasons. They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time. Illusion is obviously 2nd because he played in the finals. Stephano didn't, so I don't know where you're getting your idea that he's 2nd? See, there's two pespectives to this, one isn't more right than the other, so it was ONOGs decision.
There are no two perspectives on it. Stephano is technically 2nd because he reached the finals and did give a default win to Kas. Illusion LOST to Stephano in a single elimination tournament so the best he could reach at that point is 3rd place. If you or any other person in the world don't want to understand it or simply ignore it, please do but don't tell me that Illusion actually deserved or got 2nd place, because its not true.
ONOG decided to change the tournament format after Stephano did forfeit and only PUNISHED Stephano for that in the heat of the battle if you ask me.
To the person who asked me if I wanted to happen stuff like this again and if I think Stephano should be punished. No I don't want this to happen again thats why I said you need contracts between players and tournament hosts and a punishment would be to just do not invite him again, but as I already said as well, I do think the tournament would hurt themselves as Stephano is a good player and pulls lots of viewers.
As Arew said in another thread, ONOG is simply stealing money from Stephano at this point. Either disqualify him and make it clear OR give him his deserved 2nd place IMO.
To Jibba: In ANY sports an athlete an forfeit at any point if he thinks he's incapable of completing the task or cannot finish the match. If a national soccer team cannot continue due to exhaustion they will forfeit the match. Obviously they will try but its a far bigger stage and usually its not 1v1 but teamgames.
In boxing / fighting if you don't feel in good condition you forfeit or postpone. Stephano offered to postpone / reschedule and that wasn't possible so he did forfeit. How often have you seen boxing matches been rescheduled, just because one of the fighters wasn't fit at that point. It happened before.
Technical k.O? Same story. The boxer wants to fight, but he cannot so he 'has' to or will be forced to forfeit. Stephano probably wanted to play, but he was tired so he couldn't really play.
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Ooo ouch, racial remarks.
Seriously, that is not needed, take that BS somewhere else (Nowhere)
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On January 31 2012 22:39 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 22:28 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:On January 31 2012 21:49 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:44 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 MonsterJukeBox wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Poopi wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 MonsterJukeBox wrote: Lol, he basically gave up 1500 dollars because he wanted to sleep. Doesn't make sense to me. He would not have won the final if he was too tired. And imagine you just ear ed 100 dollars. Why would you try to play like shit for 5 dollars? If he would've played the finals and lost he would get 750 dollars, instead he got 4th place and got 150. I would rather play tired and like shit for 600 dollars. Maybe that's just me. He was not supposed to win the prize of 4th place as he was qualified for the final. He did not know beforehand and 600 dollars when you just got 100k... I don't know about the 100k you are talking about, but 600 dollars is more than I make every month so I don't know why someone would not take that. Oh and you guys are right, of course he could not have foreseen him being placed 4th, but I only think it's fair. The fans deserve a finals, and they cannot just postpone the finals to another day due to several obvious reasons. They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time. Illusion is obviously 2nd because he played in the finals. Stephano didn't, so I don't know where you're getting your idea that he's 2nd? See, there's two pespectives to this, one isn't more right than the other, so it was ONOGs decision. There are no two perspectives on it. Stephano is technically 2nd because he reached the finals and did give a default win to Kas. Illusion LOST to Stephano in a single elimination tournament so the best he could reach at that point is 3rd place. If you or any other person in the world don't want to understand it or simply ignore it, please do but don't tell me that Illusion actually deserved or got 2nd place, because its not true. ONOG decided to change the tournament format after Stephano did forfeit and only PUNISHED Stephano for that in the heat of the battle if you ask me. To the person who asked me if I wanted to happen stuff like this again and if I think Stephano should be punished. No I don't want this to happen again thats why I said you need contracts between players and tournament hosts and a punishment would be to just do not invite him again, but as I already said as well, I do think the tournament would hurt themselves as Stephano is a good player and pulls lots of viewers. As Arew said in another thread, ONOG is simply stealing money from Stephano at this point. Either disqualify him and make it clear OR give him his deserved 2nd place IMO. To Jibba: In ANY sports an athlete an forfeit at any point if he thinks he's incapable of completing the task or cannot finish the match. If a national soccer team cannot continue due to exhaustion they will forfeit the match. Obviously they will try but its a far bigger stage and usually its not 1v1 but teamgames. In boxing / fighting if you don't feel in good condition you forfeit or postpone. Stephano offered to postpone / reschedule and that wasn't possible so he did forfeit. How often have you seen boxing matches been rescheduled, just because one of the fighters wasn't fit at that point. It happened before. Technical k.O? Same story. The boxer wants to fight, but he cannot so he 'has' to or will be forced to forfeit. Stephano probably wanted to play, but he was tired so he couldn't really play.
Thank you for this post.
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