On March 08 2012 00:10 marconi wrote:
yeah but I'm not talking shit about people who actually do something
yeah but I'm not talking shit about people who actually do something
Oh, we're back in high school? Glad to have you around.
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Crashburn
United States476 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:10 marconi wrote: yeah but I'm not talking shit about people who actually do something Oh, we're back in high school? Glad to have you around. | ||
SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On March 07 2012 07:41 mememolly wrote: The thing is, this dude and his kid probably pass homeless guys on the street everyday and do nothing, maybe give them some change but nothing major. The reason they have taken on this Kony guy is because it is sexy, it is grand and exciting, it gives their life meaning, they wouldn't get headlines or sexy african locations if they were to give homeless dudes a bath and some food and a bed for the night. "Causes" like this are never about helping anyone, not primarily anyway, it is always about the desires (and the satisfaction of those desires) of the person behind the "cause." Don't get me wrong the Kony guy is contemptible and deserves taking down but the american dude is just as contemptible imo, but for other reasons. Other people have shot you down, I can't stop myself from doing it too. You wrote that someone who wants to stop kids being forced to kill their own fucking family is as contemptible as a man who actively makes that happen and has for the past 20 years. Take a moment to think about what you wrote. If you actually think this man is anywhere CLOSE to Joseph Kony, you should seriously reconsider your outlook on the world. I don't like having "CHARITY" forced down my throat. I've met people who think that their complaining about wars on facebook does anything to save lives, who genuinely are overly self important just want to look good and have everyone worship how good they are. This man has mobilised a huge movement to help end a war. He actually did go to the US congress and make them do something. I think he does enough for the world. Never mind that, this dude is working actively to save the lives of thousands of children and to make a part of the world a much better place to be. What he's doing is saving many lives; it doesn't really compare to helping a homeless guy have 1 good night. Sir, your comment was not thought through and shows a serious lack of thought on your part, and if you actually believe what you wrote, an astounding lack of insight and intelligence. | ||
WhiZ
Sweden853 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On March 07 2012 07:26 Holy_AT wrote: The solution is simple, everyone on facebook and on the world should pay mones into a fond. Everyone should donate a few dollars ore some cents to this fond. The purpose of the fond should be to pay the one who kills this Mr. Joseph Kony. So another African warlord who'd go on doing similar shit? Ace plan. | ||
iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
On March 07 2012 03:48 Kuja wrote: Check the comment for the source, and it makes a point that it's not backed up by anything. But I beleive you, im not sure im buying into this kony thing...You know whats funny and what most people wont realize? This was filmed in 2003 when this was actually a problem. The problem with Uganda right now is not Kony its the corrupt government. the LRA was beaten back into congo in 2004; and has repeatedly been beaten back sense. Inviable Children is TOO LATE. The problem with night commuting is no longer a problem. At its hight 40,000 children were night commuting but now there are only 10,000 who do it by choice. Uganda still has tons of problems, but it is NOT KONY. the invisible children do not even send 50% of their revenue to Africa, the make about $9million in donations and send over $3million; don’t donate through invisible children find a real non profit organization that actually helps people if you want to help africa. SOURCE + Show Spoiler + People will eat all the crap they are fed these days. + Show Spoiler + THIS IS NO LONGER A PROBLEM, ITS 13 YEAR OLD NEWS, UGANDA IS NOT THREATENED BY KONY ANYMORE. | ||
LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On March 07 2012 07:26 Holy_AT wrote: The solution is simple, everyone on facebook and on the world should pay mones into a fond. Everyone should donate a few dollars ore some cents to this fond. The purpose of the fond should be to pay the one who kills this Mr. Joseph Kony. And what stops those in control of the fond from taking, say, 20 % of everything that's in there and put it in their own pockets? Brilliant idea. | ||
kellenr
98 Posts
Sweet shit stop this psychopath. | ||
kellenr
98 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:37 LittLeD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 07:26 Holy_AT wrote: The solution is simple, everyone on facebook and on the world should pay mones into a fond. Everyone should donate a few dollars ore some cents to this fond. The purpose of the fond should be to pay the one who kills this Mr. Joseph Kony. And what stops those in control of the fond from taking, say, 20 % of everything that's in there and put it in their own pockets? Brilliant idea. Under this rationale you could literally say its 100% never a good idea to give to any charity under any circumstances because the money might be misappropriated. Don't be so cynical. Don't you see the flaw in this thinking? | ||
BearDK
Denmark101 Posts
Just going to leave this here. | ||
islorens
Sweden6 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:47 BearDK wrote: "(...)people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away." (http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/) Just going to leave this here. Glad this is starting to get around, seems the organization mostly attempts to scam people nowadays. Their annual financial reports show that very little actually goes to helping the people of uganda. Meanwhile it appears they are trying to pass laws in an attempt to increase military influence in these countries. | ||
ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:41 kellenr wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:37 LittLeD wrote: On March 07 2012 07:26 Holy_AT wrote: The solution is simple, everyone on facebook and on the world should pay mones into a fond. Everyone should donate a few dollars ore some cents to this fond. The purpose of the fond should be to pay the one who kills this Mr. Joseph Kony. And what stops those in control of the fond from taking, say, 20 % of everything that's in there and put it in their own pockets? Brilliant idea. Under this rationale you could literally say its 100% never a good idea to give to any charity under any circumstances because the money might be misappropriated. Don't be so cynical. Don't you see the flaw in this thinking? Which is why you RESEARCH the charities that you are donating to. If you do some research on Inivisible Children you would know that they only gave 32% of the money they received to the cause that they're supporting, which ISN'T EVEN A GOOD ONE. | ||
DeadEyE X
United States23 Posts
It was a well made movie that uses pathos because it is an emotional issue. If we were trying to increase awareness of Roth IRA's maybe a different strategy should be used... this isn't some sort of scam to steal your money, this is a cry to increase global awareness of an issue that has gone overlooked because of our selfish nature to only care about issues relating to ourselves. Continue to share this video and expand this movement so we can make this world a better place for everyone. | ||
UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign. KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone. Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that. The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending. Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on supporting African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest. As Chris Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.” Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children supports military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention. Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem. Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse. If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012. ~ Grant Oyston, visiblechildren@grantoyston.com Grant Oyston is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can help spread the word about this by linking to his blog at visiblechildren.tumblr.com anywhere you see posts about KONY 2012. | ||
BearDK
Denmark101 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:54 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:41 kellenr wrote: On March 08 2012 01:37 LittLeD wrote: On March 07 2012 07:26 Holy_AT wrote: The solution is simple, everyone on facebook and on the world should pay mones into a fond. Everyone should donate a few dollars ore some cents to this fond. The purpose of the fond should be to pay the one who kills this Mr. Joseph Kony. And what stops those in control of the fond from taking, say, 20 % of everything that's in there and put it in their own pockets? Brilliant idea. Under this rationale you could literally say its 100% never a good idea to give to any charity under any circumstances because the money might be misappropriated. Don't be so cynical. Don't you see the flaw in this thinking? Which is why you RESEARCH the charities that you are donating to. If you do some research on Inivisible Children you would know that they only gave 32% of the money they received to the cause that they're supporting, which ISN'T EVEN A GOOD ONE. this man puts it well, despite the capitalisation | ||
Asturas
Finland587 Posts
Now seriously. I always knew that Americans are the most naive of all nations, easiest to fool. But come on! How naive, how uneducated you have to be, to believe that Africa/Uganda problem is one Kony. Kony deserves to be cought but IT WON"T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM. Americans - this is Africa, there hundreds of people like Kony and hundreds will come. Some created themselves, some were created by USA and USSR/Russia. This movie was nice to watch, made me laught. Ugandan story is sad and tragic, but this movie trivializes the problem, the complexity of the problem. And that is sad too. But hey, good luck, if it helps catch Kony and (what is MORE important) put an end to LRA, then congratulations. Some good will be done. | ||
guluru
United States83 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:54 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:41 kellenr wrote: On March 08 2012 01:37 LittLeD wrote: On March 07 2012 07:26 Holy_AT wrote: The solution is simple, everyone on facebook and on the world should pay mones into a fond. Everyone should donate a few dollars ore some cents to this fond. The purpose of the fond should be to pay the one who kills this Mr. Joseph Kony. And what stops those in control of the fond from taking, say, 20 % of everything that's in there and put it in their own pockets? Brilliant idea. Under this rationale you could literally say its 100% never a good idea to give to any charity under any circumstances because the money might be misappropriated. Don't be so cynical. Don't you see the flaw in this thinking? Which is why you RESEARCH the charities that you are donating to. If you do some research on Inivisible Children you would know that they only gave 32% of the money they received to the cause that they're supporting, which ISN'T EVEN A GOOD ONE. Except that is wrong. Many people are just quoting the blog post. Most people don't actually do the research for themselves.... | ||
Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:25 caradoc wrote: I think this sums up the situation fairly succinctly http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble Show nested quote + I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign. KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone. Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that. The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending. Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on supporting African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest. As Chris Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.” Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children supports military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention. Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem. Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse. If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012. ~ Grant Oyston, visiblechildren@grantoyston.com Grant Oyston is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can help spread the word about this by linking to his blog at visiblechildren.tumblr.com anywhere you see posts about KONY 2012. But all that post says is that the charity behind KONY2012 is perhaps not the best, the charity do ask for money at some point in the movie, but the whole KONY movement and the point of the video was awareness of the atrocities being committed, getting people to write to senators and to raise awareness, not asking directly for just money. | ||
JonB
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