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On March 07 2012 12:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 07:45 Kamais Ookin wrote:On March 07 2012 07:35 Forikorder wrote:On March 07 2012 07:31 BreakfastBurrito wrote: How can people say obesity doesn't affect other people.... do you have any idea how much money they cost us... Healthcare is subsidized by the gov in the US, and in other countries it is covered much more by the government.
Other ways obese people make the world worse:
-Smell bad, always sweating and nasty and gross... Not too different from a smoker who takes no heed of his smell, breath etc (although 99% smokers are very good about this)
-Take up seats and space, where in the past there wasn't an issue (sounds silly but its a real problem in packed/crowded area)
-Make it worse on their children by "forcing" them either by choices they impose on young children or genetics, to be obese, thus perpetuating a cycle of unhealthiness.
Smokers generally recognize the health risks vs their social or mental returns and choose to smoke, Obese people just seem like out of control people who don't understand that they make the world worse for everyone.
And for reference I am not generalizing 100% of fat people, that can't be done with any demographic. There are many factors from genetic to socio-economic. But changes must be made because this is completely out of hand, and frankly ridiculous.
are you being serious here? what does bad personal hygene have to do with eing Obese? what about people who are healthy, have bad personal hygiene and is the person noone wants to sit next to are these people the same as being Obese? i dont get how you can say obese people make the world worse with a straight face, obese people dont unhealthy people do Checkmate. Is this real? o.O Or am I being tricked by some satire source, like the Onion News Network? How is this legal? Ofc it's real, I'm not here to BS people.
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On March 07 2012 12:34 Offhand wrote:I don't smoke, and I'm not really very invested in tobacco's use at all, but does anyone have a non-biased research about the effects of second hand smoke? I mean, how can something you occasionally come into contact with have major long term effects? It's not as if smokers sit next to their kid's beds while they light up, and breath smoke over their little faces. My smoker friends always crack a window when they light up in a car and I don't get anything other than a little smell. I mean, if you actually take a hit of tobacco, which I've unfortunately had to do a few times, you're going to want to cough immediately. As a non-smoker it's really easy to tell that I've inhaled tobacco smoke. Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 12:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 07:45 Kamais Ookin wrote:On March 07 2012 07:35 Forikorder wrote:On March 07 2012 07:31 BreakfastBurrito wrote: How can people say obesity doesn't affect other people.... do you have any idea how much money they cost us... Healthcare is subsidized by the gov in the US, and in other countries it is covered much more by the government.
Other ways obese people make the world worse:
-Smell bad, always sweating and nasty and gross... Not too different from a smoker who takes no heed of his smell, breath etc (although 99% smokers are very good about this)
-Take up seats and space, where in the past there wasn't an issue (sounds silly but its a real problem in packed/crowded area)
-Make it worse on their children by "forcing" them either by choices they impose on young children or genetics, to be obese, thus perpetuating a cycle of unhealthiness.
Smokers generally recognize the health risks vs their social or mental returns and choose to smoke, Obese people just seem like out of control people who don't understand that they make the world worse for everyone.
And for reference I am not generalizing 100% of fat people, that can't be done with any demographic. There are many factors from genetic to socio-economic. But changes must be made because this is completely out of hand, and frankly ridiculous.
are you being serious here? what does bad personal hygene have to do with eing Obese? what about people who are healthy, have bad personal hygiene and is the person noone wants to sit next to are these people the same as being Obese? i dont get how you can say obese people make the world worse with a straight face, obese people dont unhealthy people do Checkmate. Is this real? It's the Daily Mail so I really doubt it. because every little bit sits in your longue and jsut doesnt go away its not much at a time but it starts to build up
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^^ I'm looking for actual documented research from a non-biased research group. If I wanted more opinions I'd check Facebook.
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On March 07 2012 12:34 Offhand wrote:I don't smoke, and I'm not really very invested in tobacco's use at all, but does anyone have a non-biased research about the effects of second hand smoke? I mean, how can something you occasionally come into contact with have major long term effects? It's not as if smokers sit next to their kid's beds while they light up, and breath smoke over their little faces. My smoker friends always crack a window when they light up in a car and I don't get anything other than a little smell. I mean, if you actually take a hit of tobacco, which I've unfortunately had to do a few times, you're going to want to cough immediately. As a non-smoker it's really easy to tell that I've inhaled tobacco smoke. Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 12:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 07:45 Kamais Ookin wrote:On March 07 2012 07:35 Forikorder wrote:On March 07 2012 07:31 BreakfastBurrito wrote: How can people say obesity doesn't affect other people.... do you have any idea how much money they cost us... Healthcare is subsidized by the gov in the US, and in other countries it is covered much more by the government.
Other ways obese people make the world worse:
-Smell bad, always sweating and nasty and gross... Not too different from a smoker who takes no heed of his smell, breath etc (although 99% smokers are very good about this)
-Take up seats and space, where in the past there wasn't an issue (sounds silly but its a real problem in packed/crowded area)
-Make it worse on their children by "forcing" them either by choices they impose on young children or genetics, to be obese, thus perpetuating a cycle of unhealthiness.
Smokers generally recognize the health risks vs their social or mental returns and choose to smoke, Obese people just seem like out of control people who don't understand that they make the world worse for everyone.
And for reference I am not generalizing 100% of fat people, that can't be done with any demographic. There are many factors from genetic to socio-economic. But changes must be made because this is completely out of hand, and frankly ridiculous.
are you being serious here? what does bad personal hygene have to do with eing Obese? what about people who are healthy, have bad personal hygiene and is the person noone wants to sit next to are these people the same as being Obese? i dont get how you can say obese people make the world worse with a straight face, obese people dont unhealthy people do Checkmate. Is this real? It's the Daily Mail so I really doubt it. There's like a million different news stations that covered it...
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Smoking doesn't make you disgusting to look at, obesity does. I personally smoke, but not alot, I play rugby, run, workout. I view obesity as disgusting. There is a difference between doing something you enjoy, and just letting yourself go. I enjoy smoking, I make sure it doesn't limit me, nobody enjoys being obese.
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On March 07 2012 13:11 Balgrog wrote: Smoking doesn't make you disgusting to look at, obesity does. I personally smoke, but not alot, I play rugby, run, workout. I view obesity as disgusting. There is a difference between doing something you enjoy, and just letting yourself go. I enjoy smoking, I make sure it doesn't limit me, nobody enjoys being obese. This guy enjoys being obese, checkmate.
This is why generalization is silliness.
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On March 07 2012 13:11 Balgrog wrote: Smoking doesn't make you disgusting to look at, obesity does. I personally smoke, but not alot, I play rugby, run, workout. I view obesity as disgusting. There is a difference between doing something you enjoy, and just letting yourself go. I enjoy smoking, I make sure it doesn't limit me, nobody enjoys being obese.
The smell of 2nd hand cigarette smoke and the clothing of smokers makes me physically ill.
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On March 07 2012 13:11 Balgrog wrote: Smoking doesn't make you disgusting to look at, obesity does. I personally smoke, but not alot, I play rugby, run, workout. I view obesity as disgusting. There is a difference between doing something you enjoy, and just letting yourself go. I enjoy smoking, I make sure it doesn't limit me, nobody enjoys being obese.
Sorry but you smell like an ashtray, make your teeth unbearable to look at, and cause a bunch of other aesthetic problems for yourself as a smoker.
If you're going to say that obese people look disgusting, but smoking doesn't affect your appearance... pot, kettle, black, etc.
If you're saying that your appearance isn't affected *that* much because you *only* smoke occasionally, then that's akin to referring to people who are only *slightly* overweight, rather than being monstrously obese. There are appearance differences/ problems with both groups.
You view obesity as disgusting, and plenty of people view both obesity and smoking as disgusting.
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Smoking doesn't make you disgusting to look at, obesity does. I personally smoke, but not alot, I play rugby, run, workout. I view obesity as disgusting. There is a difference between doing something you enjoy, and just letting yourself go. I enjoy smoking, I make sure it doesn't limit me, nobody enjoys being obese.
Your ignorance is a fucking shame for the entire human race.
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Obese parents tend to raise children with eating habits that are unhealthy. Obese parents set a bad example and end up bringing their children into an unhealthy, obese lifestyle at a very young age, which tends to stay with them all their lives. This is not the case with smoking.
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On March 08 2012 06:08 Mohdoo wrote: Obese parents tend to raise children with eating habits that are unhealthy. Obese parents set a bad example and end up bringing their children into an unhealthy, obese lifestyle at a very young age, which tends to stay with them all their lives. This is not the case with smoking. I wouldn't say it isn't the case with smoking completely. Seeing my dad smoke all my life made it quite an easy transition for me to pick up myself. It just depends on how exposed a child is to the behavior, just like with eating/exercise habits, although I would agree in saying that it's a lot easier to hide smoking (going to the garage, going for a walk) than it is to ignore what's wrong with dinner.
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On March 09 2012 02:51 Valentine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:08 Mohdoo wrote: Obese parents tend to raise children with eating habits that are unhealthy. Obese parents set a bad example and end up bringing their children into an unhealthy, obese lifestyle at a very young age, which tends to stay with them all their lives. This is not the case with smoking. I wouldn't say it isn't the case with smoking completely. Seeing my dad smoke all my life made it quite an easy transition for me to pick up myself. It just depends on how exposed a child is to the behavior, just like with eating/exercise habits, although I would agree in saying that it's a lot easier to hide smoking (going to the garage, going for a walk) than it is to ignore what's wrong with dinner. at the same time though in school youll get alot of pressure to start smoking but your not gonna get pressured in school to get fat though the opposite can be true
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On March 08 2012 06:08 Mohdoo wrote: Obese parents tend to raise children with eating habits that are unhealthy. Obese parents set a bad example and end up bringing their children into an unhealthy, obese lifestyle at a very young age, which tends to stay with them all their lives. This is not the case with smoking.
I don't understand how you can make both claims:
1. Obese people raise children in an unhealthy environment 2. Smokers don't raise children in an unhealthy environment
and claim both as facts, rather than personal anecdotes. I could just as easily have found the opposite to be true.
In reality, I'm sure some obese parents and some smokers raise children in unhealthy environments, probably because both of their lifestyles are unhealthy. Children copy their parents as well. If mommy eats a lot and doesn't exercise, why should I? If mommy smokes and doesn't take care of herself, why should I? Hopefully, the kids eventually learn that both lifestyles are unhealthy (before it's too late and they become addicted to food or drugs), but it's quite hard to establish that obese parents are bad while smoking parents are good.
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On March 07 2012 01:23 FreezerJumps wrote: The title of this thread led me to believe there was some sort of new extreme sporting event pitting smokers against fat people. I would bet on fat people.
That's a pointless debate since most smokers tend to think that cigarette is the best thing that has ever happened to them and that they have more friends now that before and they're so cool. God they stink. Obviously I'm against smoking and luckily for me, it's more and more restricted in France.
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On March 09 2012 03:08 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 01:23 FreezerJumps wrote: The title of this thread led me to believe there was some sort of new extreme sporting event pitting smokers against fat people. I would bet on fat people. That's a pointless debate since most smokers tend to think that cigarette is the best thing that has ever happened to them and that they have more friends now that before and they're so cool. God they stink. Is that a French thing? I have never met someone who said that picking up smoking did great things for them. I have met some who didn't think it was a big deal either way, but most smokers I've talked to said that picking up the habit was one of their greatest regrets.
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In the state of washington, you are prohibited from smoking in "public" places like bars or restaurants, and you are prohibited from smoking with 25 feet of the entrances. Maybe soon they will start outlawing obese people from public places as well...
But in all seriousness, I don't see the government having a hand in a decline in obesity, at least in America. I mean, you should see some of the food served at high school cafeterias: its terrible. If the US government was really serious about stopping obesity this would be an easy step towards fixing the problem.
If any change does come, its gonna be driven by cultural forces and most likely not from the government.
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On March 09 2012 10:55 itkovian wrote: In the state of washington, you are prohibited from smoking in "public" places like bars or restaurants, and you are prohibited from smoking with 25 feet of the entrances. Maybe soon they will start outlawing obese people from public places as well...
But in all seriousness, I don't see the government having a hand in a decline in obesity, at least in America. I mean, you should see some of the food served at high school cafeterias: its terrible. If the US government was really serious about stopping obesity this would be an easy step towards fixing the problem.
If any change does come, its gonna be driven by cultural forces and most likely not from the government. smoking is banned becuase it smells absolutely terrible and can make everyone in the palce sick, electric ciggarettes i believe are allowed in those places
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On March 07 2012 22:48 Zorkmid wrote:The smell of 2nd hand cigarette smoke and the clothing of smokers makes me physically ill.
Have you sat next to an obese person in a crowded heated room? I'll take the second hand smoke smell over the stench of BO.
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On March 07 2012 12:35 XeliN wrote: Increase the taxation significantly on very unhealthy foods, ones extremely high in sugars, saturated fats, MSG, salts and other things.
Use all of the money generated to subsidise the cost of very healthy foods, vegetables, fruits, nuts, proper meats, eggs, milk etc.
Should be a fairly simple and effective way to acheive the goal
The problem is that, in the U.S., any attempt to tax/regulate businesses in any way is seen as "too much government" or "government is killing job creators" or some similar B.S. So unfortunately, the simplest way is not feasible, at least not in the US.
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On March 09 2012 11:28 MellowsDad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:48 Zorkmid wrote:The smell of 2nd hand cigarette smoke and the clothing of smokers makes me physically ill. Have you sat next to an obese person in a crowded heated room? I'll take the second hand smoke smell over the stench of BO. i wouldnt if its a room hot enough to make someone sweat everyones sweating anyway so your used to it
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