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On October 20 2012 13:07 d[s]c wrote: I used the text to point things out, not necessarily thinking that the initial poster was of the opposite stance;
LEGAL Sex work is legitimate work and problems within the industry are not inherent in the work itself. It is vulnerability, not sex work, which creates victims. Sex workers should enjoy the same labour rights as other workers and the same human rights as other people. Stop thinking that prostitution is "work" or a "job". Degradation is an understatement as to what it is. People do get hurt, and die, inside, in their head and soul.
"A woman, who had been involved in pornography as an adult performer, killed herself today, after having performed for two years"- sound like that could or couldn't happen? ofcourse, it sounds like it could. You don't kill yourself from working as cashier. You don't feel disgusted like "that" from working an absolutely innocent thing like organizing files. People comprehend why people would feel "disgusted" in doing such things, because they know what it is. You can't pretend like it is harmless. People have, however, contributed the most futile attempt to support their desire, by bringing up that prostitution "isn't hitting people with physical weapons and mortally wounding them". Physically abuse isn't the one and only thing in the world that is wrong.
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Your format is confusing to me, but I disagree with this wholeheartedly. Society is what makes people feel this way. Why do you think there are homosexuals who kill themselves because they are gay today? Its not that being gay is wrong, its the environment the person has been in that gives them that perception. If cashiers were looked down upon in today's society you can better believe there would be the occasional person who would kill themselves because they were a cashier. The act itself is less important than the stigma attached to it.
edit: I get the format now, and only kept what you posted. Either way I disagree
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On September 29 2012 02:04 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man I wonder what precentage of prostitutes that do it by free will is. If someone choose prostitution because of economical issues - thats not free will. Thats being pushed into it. Same goes for acknowledgement issues and actually most cases. .
haha right just like most of us don't work our jobs out of free will
I actually agree with the sentiment but it's a ridiculous argument to try to make and a terrible reason to make something illegal.
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As an individual who would never hire a prostitute, I would say this is something that should be legalized and taxed if possible. The OP was quite good. The responses quite reasonable.
My stance though, I would never hire a prostitute I would not judge people who would and have. Doesn't matter if you think you are ugly or good looking. This is more if people wish to please a need and wish to do it in a reasonable way. What is the real difference from dating a girl paying for the meal then sleeping with her? No different to me. I prefer to build a relationship and then sleep with the woman months after, but I don't judge people who go to bars and sleep with girls, that's their way, and mine is different, doesn't mean one way is wrong or right, just different routes. If everyone was the same the world would be different.
Also listening to snake eater right now from the Metal Gear Solid series, this song is amazing. Look it up.
edit: Spelling error. maybe more but it's what I found =o Sorry.
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On October 20 2012 13:07 d[s]c wrote: "A woman, who had been involved in pornography as an adult performer, killed herself today, after having performed for two years"- sound like that could or couldn't happen? ofcourse, it sounds like it could. You don't kill yourself from working as cashier. You don't feel disgusted like "that" from working an absolutely innocent thing like organizing files. People comprehend why people would feel "disgusted" in doing such things, because they know what it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal
Also you have some really, really messed up views on sex. I feel genuinely sorry for you. Sex is a celebration of passion and the human body, even the icky parts.
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Dsc I don't think I've ever disagreed with someone on this forum as vehemently as I do with what you just typed. Your entire premise revolves around what is, quite frankly, an archaic view of sex the likes of which horror stories are made from.
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On October 20 2012 14:00 Jayme wrote: Dsc I don't think I've ever disagreed with someone on this forum as vehemently as I do with what you just typed. Your entire premise revolves around what is, quite frankly, an archaic view of sex the likes of which horror stories are made from.
Everything he posted seems to be completely ignorant of how real life works =/
He honestly thinks prostitutes and escorts "risk getting raped weekly"... he also seems to think that prostitute as a word means females and that only evil men would ever dare pay for sex
hhhhnnnngggggggggg
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i think it should be legal.
When i think of lets say a cripple or a really ugly person not getting any. What are they going to do? I dont think they will just accept a life of fapping off. They will either 1) forcefully get sex (rape) , or 2)higher a prostitute.
I think if prostitution was legalized, it would actually lead to less women being raped or killed. These women who would once work in the dirty streets jumping into random cars with strangers , Would now be in Sanctioned Legal Hoe houses that have improved standards of hygiene/ STD and HIV testing and protection for the women. And it can be taxed......
There is like absolutely no reason prostitution should be illegal.
In certain country's i dont think it would be advised to legalize though due to outrageous religious believes some people have in this world about prostitution which would lead to wars or riots. (Muslims want their women covered up from head to toe and wont accept this)
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When they touched on the fact that they are "forced" to resign to prostitution due to economic reasons, how is illigalizing it going to help. You're just taking the only source of income available to them away. Of course, being homeless and dying of hunger is legal, so...
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in germany they even have health insurance in that job ^^ and have to pay taxes etc xD more legal isnt possible
On October 20 2012 13:36 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 02:04 Kaeru wrote:On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man I wonder what precentage of prostitutes that do it by free will is. If someone choose prostitution because of economical issues - thats not free will. Thats being pushed into it. Same goes for acknowledgement issues and actually most cases. . haha right just like most of us don't work our jobs out of free will I actually agree with the sentiment but it's a ridiculous argument to try to make and a terrible reason to make something illegal.
oh yes xD 80% of the people would do other jobs if they have the money to do xD
for me its always funny seeing in america "stars" getting "caught" with prostitutes so big scandal etc and here its just like who cares ^^
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On October 20 2012 13:36 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 02:04 Kaeru wrote:On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man I wonder what precentage of prostitutes that do it by free will is. If someone choose prostitution because of economical issues - thats not free will. Thats being pushed into it. Same goes for acknowledgement issues and actually most cases. . haha right just like most of us don't work our jobs out of free will I actually agree with the sentiment but it's a ridiculous argument to try to make and a terrible reason to make something illegal. I don't think it's that far fetched. I'll try to illustrate what I mean using an example:
A young woman becomes unemployed. She's a scientist by profession, but right now no jobs in her area of expertise are available. Now, she'll usually be eligible for some kind of subsidiaries, however they may look in a given country. However, this societal support comes with the requirement to actively look for a job, any kind of job, even if it has nothing to do with her actual profession.
Case 1) She gets offered a job in a bakery. The labor is boring her, she's totally overqualified, she hates getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning... nevertheless, we would expect her to take that job, at least until she gets a better one, because those are reasonable constraints.
Case 2) She gets offered a job as a prostitute. She doesn't want to engage in sex for money. Nobody would even argue that her subsidiaries should be cut if she refuses, because it is unreasonable to expect her to accept the constraints involved in this field of work.
What I'm getting at is that, yes, a lot of people do jobs out of necessity and not out of "free will". But the burden of being a baker by necessity is far far smaller than the one of being a prostitute. Mind you, I'm not saying that prostitution is a case sui generis... I'd argue that the same goes, for example, for the job of a soldier (even though the reasons are completely different, I don't think you can reasonably expect everybody to engage in warfare). And neither am I saying that the idea of a prostitute choosing her profession not by necessity is completely absurd. Still, prostitution is not a job like any other, and the cases of jobs posing such unreasonable constraints are scarce and quite exceptional, imho.
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On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man But nobody wants to be a prostitute by free will. It is because they have no money, so they have to be a prostitute.Does that make sense?
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On October 20 2012 21:12 ob4408 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man But nobody wants to be a prostitute by free will. It is because they have no money, so they have to be a prostitute.Does that make sense? I disagree with this. Sex has a lot of social bullshit tied up with it and everyone has their own subjective perspective, the idea that nobody would be a prostitute because you can't imagine it is fundamentally flawed.
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On October 20 2012 21:12 ob4408 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man But nobody wants to be a prostitute by free will. It is because they have no money, so they have to be a prostitute.Does that make sense?
The average prostitute, were she to fairly receive her income, earns several times more than someone with a masters.
There are plenty of women that would gladly be prostitutes for the money that is involved. Saying that nobody wants to be a prostitute is ridiculious. You can find people that will let themselves be pissed on for free, but sex for money is too kinky?
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On October 20 2012 21:12 ob4408 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man But nobody wants to be a prostitute by free will. It is because they have no money, so they have to be a prostitute.Does that make sense? Nobody works at McDonald's by free will. It is because they have no money, so they have to be a burger flipper.
Workers of the world unite?
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On October 20 2012 21:12 ob4408 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man But nobody wants to be a prostitute by free will. It is because they have no money, so they have to be a prostitute.Does that make sense?
That can be said for a shitload of occupations. Most people have a problem with prostitution because of the social construct of prostitution being unethical. I'd argue there are much more "unethical" jobs (e.g., most corporate business), and there are many "prostitutes" who market their body for material/social gain without being recognized as "prostitutes."
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On September 30 2012 12:00 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 11:01 Bigtony wrote: I would like to live in a world where people don't have to sell the intimate nature of their bodies to make a living. I think most people agree with you on this, although I don't think whether it's legal or illegal has any bearing. Making it illegal doesn't make people suddenly not need income, as I'm sure you know.
And that exactly goes on to show you how ruined our societies are. I feel like prostitution is only a consequence of much bigger problems that we need to tackle first.
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Never paid for it (directly), but I see no issue with it. Should be legal and regulated. Safety for the buyer and seller etc. How can it be illegal to accept money to sleep with someone anyway? Makes no sense whatsoever.
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On September 29 2012 02:13 Evilmystic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 02:04 Kaeru wrote:On September 29 2012 01:50 noD wrote:As long as they are doing by free will no problem ... It's actually the oldest job known by man I wonder what precentage of prostitutes that do it by free will is. If someone choose prostitution because of economical issues - thats not free will. Thats being pushed into it. Same goes for acknowledgement issues and actually most cases. There might be a small fraction of people that have sex for money by free will - but that number is likely VERY small. That's just a socialist propaganda. Choice between an unpleasant job and poverty or hunger is as legitimate as any other.
Well said! I was disgusted when I read that too.... How many people choose jobs they love compared to jobs they need because of economical factors.
If job A pays more than job B, or if job B doesn't exist, then you choose job A.
Free will doesn't factor in here.
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If it's legalised then it can be regulated. I think the regulations need to be improved (on countries where it is currently legal) to justify legalisation in countries that are considering the switchover. In the US where legal brothels seem to be run by 'natives' and staffed by 'natives' (AKA not trafficked) the system seems to work best
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On October 20 2012 13:54 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 13:07 d[s]c wrote: "A woman, who had been involved in pornography as an adult performer, killed herself today, after having performed for two years"- sound like that could or couldn't happen? ofcourse, it sounds like it could. You don't kill yourself from working as cashier. You don't feel disgusted like "that" from working an absolutely innocent thing like organizing files. People comprehend why people would feel "disgusted" in doing such things, because they know what it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postalAlso you have some really, really messed up views on sex. I feel genuinely sorry for you. Sex is a celebration of passion and the human body, even the icky parts. Also an efficient method to spread disease
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