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On December 27 2011 18:22 jacosajh wrote: I've read the average streamer gets like $10 per ad per 1,000 viewers. Some say it's slightly less than that[...]
That's quite high. Do you have a source?
Last time I checked for the newcomer streamer, it was: Twitch.tv: $2 per 1000 ads served (no official source) Own3d.tv: $3 per 1000 ads served (source)
Of course each program could/would be tailored to the streamer if he/she is big enough to warrant it.
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Hello. First of all sorry my poor english.
I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions.
I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible.
A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock.
B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock.
If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5.
Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff?
Thx in advance
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The hyperthreading cores can add up to 20% performance per clock in H.264 encoding. The 3770 at 4.2 should encode faster than the 2500K at 4.6. It is however more a philosophical issue: If you are on a budget, go for the 2500K as you can use it for streaming. When you buy the 2500K, don't think too much about it. There are several settings which allow full HD encoding at 30 fps. The 2500K still is a very powerful CPU, despite its age, and offers a really good performance-per-dollar ratio.
If you have the money, pay the extra price for the 2600K, 2700K or 3770 to get a bit more performance which you can use for better quality settings (meaning better image quality at the same bitrate.) If you buy this more expensive CPU, also don't think too much about it: The performance-per-dollar ratio is not as good as with the 2500K, but you bought that CPU anyway.
I use a 2700K at default even though the CPU is fully stable at 4.3 GHz (and I have a very big and quiet CPU cooler ) because the CPU is fast enough for my stream settings. For 720p at 30 fps, a 2500K at stock clock is fully sufficient, too.
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On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote:Hello. First of all sorry my poor english. I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance And i3 is more than capable of doing a nice 720p 30 fps stream. Any sb/ib quad will be huge overkill, overclocked or not. If you want to stream pc games (from your streaming computer) on the side this all changes of course
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On January 07 2013 22:06 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote:Hello. First of all sorry my poor english. I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance And i3 is more than capable of doing a nice 720p 30 fps stream. Any sb/ib quad will be huge overkill, overclocked or not. If you want to stream pc games (from your streaming computer) on the side this all changes of course For streaming console gameplay with a capture card, yes, an i3 is sufficient. If you want to stream PC games you should get a 3570k.
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Sandy/ivy bridge quad will wreck 1280x720@60fps and 1920x1080@30fps encoding with the low utilization on quad cores almost every game (and especially sc2) has, and the game will run the same on both, there's very little grounds to actually recommend paying extra for HT, the only situation id really say to go for it on a gaming/streaming rig of current tech would be for an overclocked 3770k targeting 1920x1080@60fps with as much margin for error as possible.
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We used to always recommend an i7 to users who wanted to stream SC2 since CPU bottlenecked games are where the HT starts to really shine.
In GPU bottled systems and/or games, the hyperthreading is not worth it a surprising number of times.
Also other games like LoL simply dont need an i7. The i5-2500k is enough to stream 45 FPS just fine. Also at least with twitch, I have been having a hard time streaming a bitrate thats suitable for 60 FPS streams. My problem being that the twitch server doesnt have enough downstream to handle my upstream, but thats different from user to user.
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sc2 does NOTHING to a quad core CPU. You are wasting your time with getting HT on a game that wont put a lot of load on your CPU, unless you want the slightly higher encoding performance that you WILL NEVER NOTICE unless you frequently practice and benchmark extreme settings.
SC2 is heavily CPU bottlenecked. Guild wars 2 puts a lot of load on a quad core CPU. These are VERY DIFFERENT things and the cases where you would actually want or notice HT are few and far between with a SB/IB quad.
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On January 07 2013 22:06 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote:Hello. First of all sorry my poor english. I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance And i3 is more than capable of doing a nice 720p 30 fps stream. Any sb/ib quad will be huge overkill, overclocked or not. If you want to stream pc games (from your streaming computer) on the side this all changes of course
Well, it depends on how much you want to fiddle with XSplit or OBS settings. But more CPU is always useful for streaming. Yes an i3 can stream 720p at veryfast preset. But a faster CPU will let you use a slower preset and deliver more quality than a typical veryfast stream, given the same bitrate EDIT: but some of the quality gains are marginal, especially in high-motion scenes. Bitrate is usually the primary driver of quality.
At factory speeds, the i7 will be strictly better than the i5. I would imagine you can stream at medium preset, certainly fast preset.
At overclocked speeds (4.2 for i7; 4.6 for i5), it's harder to tell which is better. I think the i7 would still deliver better encoding performance. If you are lucky you'd be able to stream at slow or slower preset.
It depends on how much you value money over stream quality. You're getting "more" for your money if you get an i7, just not much more.
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^All good, but a 15-20% increase in processing power, all else aside will only net you like 5% more efficiency (if that) under x264, and then you have to set up and go through complicated benchmarking and stress testing if you want to abuse the edges of your CPU's limits without hitting them.
Going from a lower end i3 to an overclocked i7 or even a 3930k for example you can take massive gains, as much as 25-50% id guess, but that is different and its hardly grounds to reccomend sandy/ivy i7 over i5 for gaming and streaming, of course the i7 is technically superior to the i5 (at worst you can disable HT and be equals) so if you have money to throw at it you can, but people are misinformed for how much it will actually help them. In terms of sc2 performance while streaming, you gain nothing. In terms of stream settings, as said without a lot of testing and pushing you gain nothing at all, at 720p60/1080p30 at veryfast you gain nothing at all. I would strongly reccomend going i7 over i5 first gen, but in sandy/ivy and current enviroments you really just dont gain much from it. The 2500k/3570k is amazing, and its not really a case of "good enough" rather than literally almost identical to all but the extreme user.
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On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote: I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. Not sure why we're mentioning i5 vs i7 for purely encoding a measly 720p 30fps and not playing on the streaming computer at all. I doubt the difference in quality from i3 to i5 is going to be significant, especially considering how crap console games look in the first place.
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Im not even sure why i mentioned it, wrong thread maybe. Oops.
For those purposes anyhow if thats all you want to do there's little reason to go above sandy bridge i3
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On January 08 2013 06:49 ZeroTalent wrote: Well, it depends on how much you want to fiddle with XSplit or OBS settings. But more CPU is always useful for streaming. Yes an i3 can stream 720p at veryfast preset. But a faster CPU will let you use a slower preset and deliver more quality than a typical veryfast stream, given the same bitrate EDIT: but some of the quality gains are marginal, especially in high-motion scenes. Bitrate is usually the primary driver of quality.
At factory speeds, the i7 will be strictly better than the i5. I would imagine you can stream at medium preset, certainly fast preset.
At overclocked speeds (4.2 for i7; 4.6 for i5), it's harder to tell which is better. I think the i7 would still deliver better encoding performance. If you are lucky you'd be able to stream at slow or slower preset.
It depends on how much you value money over stream quality. You're getting "more" for your money if you get an i7, just not much more. This is what I wanted to know, I saw on a thread in XSplit forums that the "medium" preset is a huge help for streamers with low bandwidth, and the i7 definitely gonna help with this. I guess I'm going with the i7 .
Thank you everyone.
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Note the scales
I dont think you see much more benefit in live encoding, if any more at all, and its very hard to test of find lots of information about. If you get gains, they are not massive, if even noticable at all in a blind test. The performance added from HT will get you maybe 1 preset further down, if that - you cant compare veryfast vs medium, slow or slower, because HT doesnt create anywhere near that much of an encoding performance gap
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