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meadbert
United States681 Posts
I believe Chris Broussard is being mistreated in this tread. That link contains his full quote. | ||
karpotoss
135 Posts
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/you-didnt-build-that Once upon a time he said something like this: "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." What does is have to do with anything about gay marriage? Not much I have to admit, but i don't like how after coming out you get to be a national hero, with congratulations from the first couple, and widespread applause from the media. On the other hand everyday business owners who employ people, pay taxes, and make Your country prosper get a middle finger from the US president with saying "nah, bro you do nothing" Quite a redefinion of values. User was warned for this post | ||
killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:15 meadbert wrote: http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2013/04/chris-broussard-an-example-of-true-tolerance/ I believe Chris Broussard is being mistreated in this tread. That link contains his full quote. 1. He's not just keeping his beliefs to himself. He uses them to justify denying rights based on his religion that he ought not to deny. That makes him a shithead. 2. Also...quoting rules from the Bible while sitting there wearing mixed fabrics and cut hair also makes him a shithead. | ||
farvacola
United States18768 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:18 karpotoss wrote: Forgive me if i go slightly of topic, but are you all familiar with "you didn't build that" statement made by a Obama? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/you-didnt-build-that Once upon a time he said something like this: "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." What does is have to do with anything about gay marriage? Not much I have to admit, but i don't like how after coming out you get to be a national hero, with congratulations from the first couple, and widespread applause from the media. On the other hand everyday business owners who employ people, pay taxes, and make Your country prosper get a middle finger from the US president with saying "nah, bro you do nothing" Quite a redefinion of values. lol. Seriously? Is Poland on like an 8 month news delay, or do you really have nothing better to justify your dislike for public displays of tolerance than pointing to an outdated piece of partisan politics? | ||
Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
Calling someone greedy for coming out... goddamn. I guess he is greedy for waiting so long to do it. What a scrooge, wanting to get paid on equal footing as his straight counterparts. edit: tldr hawk is right | ||
meadbert
United States681 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:22 Klondikebar wrote: 1. He's not just keeping his beliefs to himself. He uses them to justify denying rights based on his religion that he ought not to deny. That makes him a shithead. 2. Also...quoting rules from the Bible while sitting there wearing mixed fabrics and cut hair also makes him a shithead. So people who disagree with you should keep their beliefs to themselves? In this case he was explicitly asked by his employer about his religious beliefs, which he disclosed as part of his job to commentate. You are welcome to disagree with his religious beliefs, as I do, but that does not make him a "shithead." He did not justify the denying of any rights. Tolerance is a two way street. If we want others to be tolerant of us, we should begin with being tolerant of them. | ||
karpotoss
135 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:23 farvacola wrote: lol. Seriously? Is Poland on like an 8 month news delay, or do you really have nothing better to justify your dislike for public displays of tolerance than pointing to an outdated piece of partisan politics? First, why is my country involved into this? I am pretty sure i can write on this forum as much as You do as long as i follow TL rules. Second, it may be outdated piece of news, but it shows his way of thinking. But maybe You are right, and i should not be criticizing what is happening in Your country after all. | ||
unteqair
United States308 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:18 karpotoss wrote: Forgive me if i go slightly of topic, but are you all familiar with "you didn't build that" statement made by a Obama? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/you-didnt-build-that Once upon a time he said something like this: "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." What does is have to do with anything about gay marriage? Not much I have to admit, but i don't like how after coming out you get to be a national hero, with congratulations from the first couple, and widespread applause from the media. On the other hand everyday business owners who employ people, pay taxes, and make Your country prosper get a middle finger from the US president with saying "nah, bro you do nothing" Quite a redefinion of values. ....What? It's bad enough that this is completely off-topic, but you're a Polish person outraged by an old speech made by the U.S. President to his people. I could understand if it maybe could have affected you, but of all the things in the world your mind could have gone to and this is what emerges. | ||
Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:31 meadbert wrote: So people who disagree with you should keep their beliefs to themselves? In this case he was explicitly asked by his employer about his religious beliefs, which he disclosed as part of his job to commentate. You are welcome to disagree with his religious beliefs, as I do, but that does not make him a "shithead." He did not justify the denying of any rights. Tolerance is a two way street. If we want others to be tolerant of us, we should begin with being tolerant of them. Except that when it comes time to vote on gay marriage...which way do you think he's going to vote? Bigots love to pretend like we need to respect them too but just because you oppress people with a straight face and a calm tone of voice doesn't make you a nice person. You're allowed to believe what you want, but when your beliefs translate into laws that oppress other people you're not driving on a two way street anymore. | ||
farvacola
United States18768 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:32 karpotoss wrote: First, why is my country involved into this? I am pretty sure i can write on this forum as much as You do as long as i follow TL rules. Second, it may be outdated piece of news, but it shows his way of thinking. But maybe You are right, and i should not be criticizing what is happening in Your country after all. No, you are speaking to a partisan interpretation of those statements that is hardly an objective measure of showing "his way of thinking" in pursuit of lambasting some perceived discrepancy in US social values. I never said anything about your nationality as it pertains to being able to post here, rather that for a foreigner to post an offtopic bit of polemic US politics and then pretend that this signifies anything meaningful is actually far more discriminatory than my mention of your Polish heritage. | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32009 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote: Except that when it comes time to vote on gay marriage...which way do you think he's going to vote? Bigots love to pretend like we need to respect them too but just because you oppress people with a straight face and a calm tone of voice doesn't make you a nice person. You're allowed to believe what you want, but when your beliefs translate into laws that oppress other people you're not driving on a two way street anymore. BE TOLERANT DAGNABBIT I AM TRYING TO SURPRESS YOUR RIGHTS | ||
Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote: Except that when it comes time to vote on gay marriage...which way do you think he's going to vote? Bigots love to pretend like we need to respect them too but just because you oppress people with a straight face and a calm tone of voice doesn't make you a nice person. You're allowed to believe what you want, but when your beliefs translate into laws that oppress other people you're not driving on a two way street anymore. We do not know which way he will vote. His comments were not political. They were not even religious as he gives very little religious justification for his beliefs. Instead his message is that of tolerance. The biggest impact I expect it will have is that some religious people out there may be receptive to his message and be more tolerant themselves. President Obama woke up one fine day and decided he was no longer against gay marriage. He was strongly in favor of it and those opposed are now bigots. Most people do not operate that way. The process of coming around takes time and tolerance is a bridge that helps them change their mind. They progress slowly from potential hate, to fear, to mild fascination, to tolerance and then to full acceptance. Understand that Chris Broussard may be a bit behind us be he is taking steps in the right direction and helping others to do so to. | ||
shell
Portugal2722 Posts
your personal tastes shouldn't be important to determine if you can or not play a game or do a job, it's about time things go smoothly for gay people.. atleast in my kind of society your sex orientation shouldn't be important | ||
Ubiquitousdichotomy
247 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:47 meadbert wrote: We do not know which way he will vote. His comments were not political. They were not even religious as he gives very little religious justification for his beliefs. Instead his message is that of tolerance. The biggest impact I expect it will have is that some religious people out there may be receptive to his message and be more tolerant themselves. President Obama woke up one fine day and decided he was no longer against gay marriage. He was strongly in favor of it and those opposed are now bigots. Most people do not operate that way. The process of coming around takes time and tolerance is a bridge that helps them change their mind. They progress slowly from potential hate, to fear, to mild fascination, to tolerance and then to full acceptance. Understand that Chris Broussard may be a bit behind us be he is taking steps in the right direction and helping others to do so to. Dude, the first line of his statement was "I'm a Christian." He's not "taking steps in the right direction. He's making a pathetic attempt to hide his bigotry behind niceness and hoping we won't notice. And the process of coming around doesn't so much take time as it is just a matter of idiots dragging their heels against common sense and decency. Don't give that bullshit about how it's not religious and if you want to delude yourself into pretending you don't know how he votes that's fine but leave the discussion to people who have some common sense. | ||
Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On April 30 2013 11:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes making it in the NBA isn't like a challenge or anything. He makes a valid point, nobody knew who this guy was before he came out | ||
meadbert
United States681 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:52 Klondikebar wrote: if you want to delude yourself into pretending you don't know how he votes that's fine but leave the discussion to people who have some common sense. My guess is he votes for Democrats, but I really do not know. | ||
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