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On May 01 2013 05:50 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote: I don't buy this for a second. I'm all for gay rights and equality for all but this is obviously this this is just a angle his agent created to get him signed for another season. He career was over averaging less than a point a game, 34 years old in his 12th year of the league and suddenly he wants to announce hes gay? give me a break. If Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, said he was gay I would believe it because they have nothing to gain. This is just a marketing ploy.
Gay conspiracy theory huh? Cool story.
You must live in the Rush Limbaugh world where if gay marriage was legal suddenly straight men would run around claiming to love cock to get some of their buddy's health insurance. Jesus christ.
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I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall?
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Tolerance vs acceptance
Tolerance is fine and all, but I take issue with those who think that by being tolerant they are somehow morally superior to their vocal dissenters. If anything, tolerance is merely hiding your true feelings about an issue because you lack the convictions to stand up for what you believe in. I almost have more respect for people who oppose gay marriage openly and defend their opinions, regardless of their reasons.
That said, tolerance is probably the best thing to hope for at the moment, as acceptance is still probably a ways off.
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On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? I think the support in this thread has been universally positive. There has been some speculation about impure financial motives, but who cares the motivation. This could be huge in its impact on people. For women having Elen come out in the 90s and shows like Queer Eye did a lot to bring them around, but men have been slower. I am hopeful that having a gay professional athlete and more importantly watching the other athletes act professionally will have a significant positive impact on public opinion.
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On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall?
Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media would eat up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas.
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On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Who he has sex with is good for me how? I'm not getting dinner, or a movie, or a reach around. All is does is fill up the news with more dramatic bullshit. Oh, and it also gives us another thread to argue about politics, xenophobia, and religion here on TL.
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On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim.
You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc...
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Wow, can't believe he's the first one to do it, taken a damn while...
On another note I kept reading the thread title in the sidebar as 'First Openly Gay Professor', lol.
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On May 01 2013 06:12 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim. You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc...
100% sure actually that it will cause problems with his team. Not because they will get hate for having a gay player but because if they try to drop him the gay community will cry homophobia and people will call the coaches and staff bigots for dropping him after he comes out.
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On May 01 2013 06:16 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:12 Acertos wrote:On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim. You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc... 100% sure actually that it will cause problems with his team. Not because they will get hate for having a gay player but because if they try to drop him the gay community will cry homophobia and people will call the coaches and staff bigots for dropping him after he comes out.
...that's not how things work.
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On May 01 2013 06:12 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim. You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc...
You think its a conspiracy that before he announced he was gay he had zero team offers and after he had 15 them offers? This isn't about sexuality its about business marketing. The NBA wants to make themselves look more accepting of others. They will go along with this until people in the stands demand the gay player to start for the team even though he cant play worth a damn. Things will become more of a circus than it already are because of the tyranny of the majority.
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If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one.
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On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? People arnt really debating it. Some people are questioning why a guy who came out after he was done playing is somehow any different from the other guys who came out gay after they were done playing and getting called anti gay bigots for it.
He's not an contracted player coming out who's gay and even if he was he wouldn't be the first. But I guess I'm the bigot for pointing that out.
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On May 01 2013 06:19 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:12 Acertos wrote:On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim. You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc... You think its a conspiracy that before he announced he was gay he had zero team offers and after he had 15 them offers? This isn't about sexuality its about business marketing. The NBA wants to make themselves look more accepting of others. They will go along with this buntil people in the stands demand the gay player to start for the teameven though he cant play worth a damn. Things will become more of a circus than it already are because of the tyranny of the majority.
Not sure why I'm responding to an obvious troll but lets see these 15 offers please. I mean, you're not pulling shit completely out of your ass here right? Go ahead and link them for us please.
He's been playing in the NBA since '01. He's played for a lot of teams. He's always been nothing but an absolute fucking professional. He doesn't run his mouth, he's not a showboat, he's not a jackass he just does his fucking job. Which is something many other pro athletes could learn from.
Apparently now the NBA is conspiring to look more accepting of others too? Of the big 4 sports in America the NBA is one of the more accepting ones compared to Hockey and Football. The "mans man" face smashing contact game aspect isn't there. It's the game of finesse, so not sure why they'd be dying to be thought of as more accepting than they are.
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This is really well timed imho. He's was about to be in a position were he wasn't going to be able to make the cut the following season and now all I hear on the radio is how doing so (cutting him) would look bad for the managers of the team. I have no problem with equality and all, but this is shaping up to be a political move on his part.
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I wonder if this Chris Broussard guy's jersey is a fabric blend. If so I guess he is also “walking in open rebellion against God." I certainly wouldn't categorize him as a Christian because imean the bible wouldn't. Wait wasn't there something else in the bible about loving everyone or something? Unconditional love can be so complicated, I mean how do you know who it applies to?
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On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one.
I'd agree with that, with the exception that we are NOT a truly tolerant society. Only when things like this don't become newsworthy will we be a tolerant society. He's a "hero" because he came out to an atmosphere of hate and prejudice towards gays, and because he's relatively in public view (because of his position in the NBA).
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On May 01 2013 06:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:19 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 06:12 Acertos wrote:On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim. You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc... You think its a conspiracy that before he announced he was gay he had zero team offers and after he had 15 them offers? This isn't about sexuality its about business marketing. The NBA wants to make themselves look more accepting of others. They will go along with this buntil people in the stands demand the gay player to start for the teameven though he cant play worth a damn. Things will become more of a circus than it already are because of the tyranny of the majority. Not sure why I'm responding to an obvious troll but lets see these 15 offers please. I mean, you're not pulling shit completely out of your ass here right? Go ahead and link them for us please. He's been playing in the NBA since '01. He's played for a lot of teams. He's always been nothing but an absolute fucking professional. He doesn't run his mouth, he's not a showboat, he's not a jackass he just does his fucking job. Which is something many other pro athletes could learn from. Apparently now the NBA is conspiring to look more accepting of others too? Of the big 4 sports in America the NBA is one of the more accepting ones compared to Hockey and Football. The "mans man" face smashing contact game aspect isn't there. It's the game of finesse, so not sure why they'd be dying to be thought of as more accepting than they are.
Jason Collins 2012-13 Statistics. PPG: 1.1; RPG: 1.60; APG: 0.2; EFF: + 2.21. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_collins/career_stats.html
With stats like those any heterosexual player would have been shunned immediately. Now that he is using emotional currency to leverage teams he will be hired. Nothing complicated about that.
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On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Your statement is stupid, our societies aren't tolerant at all so the first time an athlete can admit he is gay while still working is a step towards tolerance. You need to understand that he was hiding who he was because he lives in the sport world. Machism and homophobia is more common there so it was even harder for him.
He was the first of many I hope and it's news worthy on an internationnal level (and it did, it reached France).
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On May 01 2013 06:42 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:On May 01 2013 06:19 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 06:12 Acertos wrote:On May 01 2013 06:02 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:On May 01 2013 05:56 Shiori wrote: I'm not sure how people are debating this. What's wrong with a gay guy coming out of the closet in a public sphere? Is this not universally a good thing for everybody? Even if one is against homosexual marriage, isn't the prospect of gay people feeling comfortable in society a good thing overall? Because the NBA is supposed about skill not sexual preference. If you don't have the skill you shouldn't be able to participate. This player has no ability to compete in the league but will now secure a position on a team because he developed an elaborate psychodrama the media is eating up saving his nothing career. This shouldnt have even been a story but hollywood controversy consultants had other ideas. I have always wondered why conspiracy believers like you believe in dumb shit while there are other real ones they will disclaim. You think he will stay longer in his team because of that? The opposite is way more realistic. 100% sure it will create problems with his team. Problems can rise from within with the staff members and players or from their fans or people that will now mock the team because a gay is in it etc... You think its a conspiracy that before he announced he was gay he had zero team offers and after he had 15 them offers? This isn't about sexuality its about business marketing. The NBA wants to make themselves look more accepting of others. They will go along with this buntil people in the stands demand the gay player to start for the teameven though he cant play worth a damn. Things will become more of a circus than it already are because of the tyranny of the majority. Not sure why I'm responding to an obvious troll but lets see these 15 offers please. I mean, you're not pulling shit completely out of your ass here right? Go ahead and link them for us please. He's been playing in the NBA since '01. He's played for a lot of teams. He's always been nothing but an absolute fucking professional. He doesn't run his mouth, he's not a showboat, he's not a jackass he just does his fucking job. Which is something many other pro athletes could learn from. Apparently now the NBA is conspiring to look more accepting of others too? Of the big 4 sports in America the NBA is one of the more accepting ones compared to Hockey and Football. The "mans man" face smashing contact game aspect isn't there. It's the game of finesse, so not sure why they'd be dying to be thought of as more accepting than they are. Jason Collins 2012-13 Statistics. PPG: 1.1; RPG: 1.60; APG: 0.2; EFF: + 2.21. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_collins/career_stats.htmlWith stats like those any heterosexual player would have been shunned immediately. Now that he is using emotional currency to leverage teams he will be hired. Nothing complicated about that.
So we went from "he has 15 offers" to "he'll probably be hired by someone." GTFO troll.
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