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Russian Federation1016 Posts
Congrats on all-kill! Looking forward to Happy - HeroMarine Grand Finals!
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dwf is the logical choice for france, if anyone survive, just send dayshi to kill zerg or tod to snipe kas
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French team should have Stephano and ForGG ^.^
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On January 19 2014 03:05 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:03 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2014 02:59 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:56 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:52 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:49 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:47 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 19 2014 02:45 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him. If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh. I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims. Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead. The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice. I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it. The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning. Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before? Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country. It is exactly the same, the only difference is your motivitation being driven by pride, not by money.
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On January 19 2014 03:05 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:03 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2014 02:59 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:56 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:52 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:49 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:47 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 19 2014 02:45 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him. If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh. I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims. Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead. The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice. I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it. The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning. Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before? Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
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On January 19 2014 03:05 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:03 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2014 02:59 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:56 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:52 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:49 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:47 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 19 2014 02:45 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him. If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh. I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims. Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead. The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice. I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it. The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning. Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before? Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." One does not simply decline the invitation to represent his country. afaik there isn't any entity officially representing countries in esport, let alone starcraft
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On January 19 2014 03:04 pigmanbear wrote: Strongest lineup is Russia then Poland then Ukraine then Germany. Happy is the best player in the tournament obviously.
Poland is already out of the tournament and germany already won a nationwar against russia. It is Russia,Germany and the Ukraine. (nerchio is still strong but the rest. meh.)
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
On January 19 2014 03:07 pigmanbear wrote: French team should have Stephano and ForGG ^.^ And German team should have Jürgen aka MVP
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On January 19 2014 03:09 IAmWithStupid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:07 pigmanbear wrote: French team should have Stephano and ForGG ^.^ And German team should have Jürgen aka MVP We have PourGerard !
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On January 19 2014 03:09 cmlivey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:04 pigmanbear wrote: Strongest lineup is Russia then Poland then Ukraine then Germany. Happy is the best player in the tournament obviously. Poland is already out of the tournament and germany already won a nationwar against russia. It is Russia,Germany and the Ukraine. Ya I just heard Day9 comparing the lineups
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On January 19 2014 03:08 Bommes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:05 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On January 19 2014 03:03 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2014 02:59 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:56 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:52 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 19 2014 02:49 ThePlagueJG wrote:On January 19 2014 02:47 nkr wrote:On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 19 2014 02:45 nkr wrote: [quote]
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh. I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims. Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead. The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice. I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it. The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning. Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before? Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country. You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
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On January 19 2014 03:09 IAmWithStupid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:07 pigmanbear wrote: French team should have Stephano and ForGG ^.^ And German team should have Jürgen aka MVP Nah, we can pretend to give them a chace. Jürgen can be our secret weapon, if we should need him in season two (If there is one).
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On January 19 2014 03:11 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 03:09 IAmWithStupid wrote:On January 19 2014 03:07 pigmanbear wrote: French team should have Stephano and ForGG ^.^ And German team should have Jürgen aka MVP Nah, we can pretend to give them a chace. Jürgen can be our secret weapon, if we should need him in season two (If there is one).
German secret weapons don't work... Only the obvious ones.
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Now for the intermission before the next glorious All-kill by Germany. Go Dwf!
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Is there a lot of down time or am I just tuning in at the wrong times?
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Wait I thought Kas retired
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On January 19 2014 03:13 LimeNade wrote: Is there a lot of down time or am I just tuning in at the wrong times?
A lot of downtime.
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