Dimaga, who is currently playing for Roccat, is the Ukrainian Captain whereas ToD, ESL caster and player for XMG, is the French Captain.
Thank you for accepting this crossed interview together. NationWars is about to begin. What do you think about this tournament?
Dimaga: "Thanks for inviting me, I really like NationWars since BroodWars times and I am really proud to be the Captain of the Ukraine national team."
ToD: "I'm really happy that there finally is a tournament where Nations can face each other, in Warcraft it was a common occurence with the ENC (European Nation Cup) but in Starcraft 2 it has not been done yet so I'm really excited."
You are in the same group as Sweden and Germany. Are you happy with the draw?
Dimaga: "I am happy that we are not in the same group with Russia so draw is good for us."
ToD: I think our group is stronger than the other one, winning it would give us a lot of confidence going into the next round."
What do you think about your first match? Does your team feel confident?
Dimaga: "I think we have good chances against France but in Bo1 everything can be possible. So I hope we will play really nice games and watch good allins from AcerBly !"
ToD: "Our first match against Ukraine is a tricky one, DIMAGA is in good shape, bly has crazy allins and Kas well ... he simply is Kas. Luckily for us we have Dayshi !"
According to you, what will the most important game be?
Dimaga: "I think Dayshi can be problem for us because he has really good TvZ."
ToD: "Most important game will be Dayshi vs everyone."
What is the key to win this match? What is the detail which will make your team win?
Dimaga: "They key to win this match will be good all ins from our side (Hello Bly :D)"
ToD: "The key to win this match will be to not underestimate our opponents and play our best"
Do you have any pronostic for this group?
Dimaga: "Germany and Ukraine."
ToD: "We need to advance to the semi finals, i do not really care who else does."
Do you want to add something?
Dimaga: "I just hope for really interesting and entertaining games! Cheers!
Bly Known for his numerous and tailored cheeses, Bly is one of the strongest Zerg in Europe. Playing for team Acer, his style became very famous and it would be exciting to watch how he can deal with his reputation to surprise his opponents.
Dimaga The adjective that would be the best to qualify Dimaga’s performance would be astonishing. The Roccat player who reached the semi-finals of 2013 WCS Season 1 Europe is also one of the most sympathetic player in Europe and that’s why he is likely to be one of the foundation of the Ukraine National Team.
Kas The different 2013 WCS campaigns were not convincing enough to say Kas is back in shape but the Ukrainian Terran is still one of the best value in Europe and is likely to perform in NationWars thanks to his insane macro.
Dayshi Dayshi may be the best French player. Working hard in the Millenium gaming house, the solid Terran is one of the top player in Europe and has a very good experience in all kill format thanks to the several Millenium's campaigns. Every Zerg in Europe should be afraid of him : his TvZ is monstrous.
Downfall Downfall is a very good and regular Terran. Grand Master for 10 seasons in a row, Downfall has shown a very high level and a very interesting vision of Starcraft II by winning UnderDogs and crushed Firecake to be in the French list. He is also known as TheDwf on teamliquid and leads a very good thread to teach Terran the right way of playing Starcraft II.
ToD ToD is a Protoss player and a ESL caster who is currently playing for XMG. Known as one of the best Warcraft III player, the French player first disappointed a little on Starcraft II even if he remains one of the best Protoss in Europe. Then, his new career in casting gave him a new interest and the player never seemed as strong as now. France has to trust him to win since Stephano's departure.
TLO, who is currently playing for Team Liquid, is the German Captain whereas Wake, the manager of Mousesports, is the Swedish Captain.
Thank you for accepting this crossed interview together. NationWars is about to begin. What do you think about this tournament?
Wake: "Great incentive where players get the chance to represent their country. It's a great honour to do just that, to play for the country's fans against the other countries. This is as close to a euro championship as we can get right now"
TLO: "It's always great to have different formats, it makes things fresh, Nationwars is nothing we do a lot in sc2 so it'll be exciting for the viewers and players alike."
You are in the same group as France and Ukraine. Are you happy with the draw?
Wake: "We didn't aim to dodge any particular team, if you want to climb to become champions you must beat the strongest teams anyways."
TLO: "I think it's the hardest group in the tournament by far, but it'll make for some great matches and I think our team overall is pretty strong and well balanced. We don't have any weak players in my opinion."
What do you think about your first match? Does your team feel confident?
Wake: "Germany has the lineup that could win them the entire tournament, a victory here would give us a strong confidentboost but losing won't and can't affect us. Anything can happen in allkill."
TLO: "Yea we're confident, especially Naniwa missing makes things a whole lot easier for us."
According to you, what will the most important match be?
Wake: "All games are equally important and with the allkill format we're confident with all players in good shape."
TLO: "As I said our team is really well balanced, we don't have any outliers everyone is similiar in skill, which should help us because it won't all depends on 1 player having a particular good or bad day."
Which nations should advance to the semi-finals?
Wake: "There are great players and individuals in all of the teams and anything can happen in an allkill format, but I hope to see Germany and Sweden advance."
HeRoMaRinE : HeRoMaRinE is only a sixteen year old Terran and is considered as a hot prospect. This boy is able to show impressive things and has shown all his skills by winning the EPS Germany 2013 in November.
Socke : Socke is a historical member of Germany National Team. He has an international experience which can transcend Germany and he has always been one of the major German player, winning three ESL Pro Series Germany in his career and reaching semi-finals of IEM Katowice, Cologne and 2010 MLG Raleigh.
TLO : TLO is a Zerg player who impressed a lot at the beginning of 2013. Thanks to his very tailored and creative build orders mainly based on roaches against Terrans, he managed to reach the top 5 of WCS Europe and made the whole Europe dream.
Bischu Since Broodwar, Bischu has always performed very well in Nations Wars. He really loves it and this tournament acts as a big motivation for him to reach his best level. He just reached the second place at Svenska E-sportcupen 2013: Göteborg Grand Finals and will be a reliable player for Sweden.
MorroW Thorzain is not available because of his studies and Sjow just switched to Protoss. MorroW is the best Terran in Sweden at the moment and performed well in several Swedish tournaments thanks to his new mech style.
Zanster Zanster showed recently an amazing level in online tournaments. The Fnatic player is one of the hot prospect in Europe and performed a lot in online cups in the late 2013 like in several Swedish tournaments. Being the best Swedish Zerg should not be enough for this 16 year old player and he obviously wants to show to Europe how sick he can be.
According to players, Group B features mainly Premier League players such as TLO, Dayshi and DIMAGA. Known as the strongest group in NationWars, Group B presents legendary players for each nation and expectations are high.
Among the players who were not in 2013 WCS, we especially expect the two hot prospects Zanster and HeRoMaRinE to be determining for their nations.
Ukraine is probably one of the scariest nation in Europe. Their squad is really balanced and displays three very big European players with different styles. The Captain DIMAGA has shown he is able to beat everybody. Then, the cheesy Bly should appreciate a lot the format in Best-of-1 and presents a very different style from the macromonster Terran: Kas. But, Kas and DIMAGA recently showed a bad shape and we all can wonder if they will be able to reach their top level to make their nation win.
Even if Group B is the toughest group, draw is quite good for France. More than the extraordinary ability of France to surprise and beat the favoured nation in every sport, Dayshi should be very happy to found a Protoss on his way for the first match. His astonishing TvZ could be the silver bullet of the French squad and he recently showed he is able to win against any European Zerg. Then, the experienced ToD and the UnderDogs winner Downfall are in shape and are likely to grab some very determining points.
Germany is one of the strongest nation. The charismatic squad based on the Captain TLO, the experienced Socke and the very skilled HeRoMaRinE can be threatened by the whole Europe and is able to offer the public a very dynamic gameplay. As they have the three races, they can choose the worst match-ups of their opponent and this detail could become very important.
Sweden's community suffered from Naniwa's drama. Without their ace, Sweden still has a very good line-up and is able to show how much this country loves Starcraft II. MorroW, Bischu and Zanster. recently managed to get their qualifications for 2014 WCS. The Fnatic Zerg skyrocketted during this winter and has shown an amazing level in all the match-ups. He will be likey to be the new ace of the Swedish squad. Then, Bischu has created new and powerful build orders able to surprise his opponents and we really can hope very dynamic and creative gameplay from him.
Predictions: France > Ukraine Germany > Sweden France < Germany Ukraine > Sweden France > Ukraine
Predictions: fr France > ua Ukraine de Germany > se Sweden fr France < de Germany ua Ukraine > se Sweden fr France > no Ukraine might want to swap the Norwegian flag here for the Ukrainian one
I think the french line up is a bit weaker without a strong zerg, we might not go to playoffs ukraine has a great line-up, it will depend if Dayshi has a great day (inside news: he had trouble sleeping because he's at the gaming house sharing a room with babyknight who snores apparently)
I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
Just do as I did and quit the job. Being a full time spectator is no walk in the park though. The hours are tough and there is no pay.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
Just do as I did and quit the job. Being a full time spectator is no walk in the park though. The hours are tough and there is no pay.
Well I'm working two jobs right now and am saving every penny as possible. In 2015, I'm leaving for four years to travel around the world. This year is like my last Starcraft year.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
Just do as I did and quit the job. Being a full time spectator is no walk in the park though. The hours are tough and there is no pay.
Well I'm working two jobs right now and am saving every penny as possible. In 2015, I'm leaving for four years to travel around the world. This year is like my last Starcraft year.
you could travel around the world to go to every live esport event
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
Just do as I did and quit the job. Being a full time spectator is no walk in the park though. The hours are tough and there is no pay.
Well I'm working two jobs right now and am saving every penny as possible. In 2015, I'm leaving for four years to travel around the world. This year is like my last Starcraft year.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
we should get paid to watch all this stuff
Having to listen to some casters should give viewers payment tbh.
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
Just do as I did and quit the job. Being a full time spectator is no walk in the park though. The hours are tough and there is no pay.
Well I'm working two jobs right now and am saving every penny as possible. In 2015, I'm leaving for four years to travel around the world. This year is like my last Starcraft year.
well, don't be sad, i would change with you any time, i can't save here in croatia anything from my work because situation is awful.. and if you are traveling around the world maybe you will visit korea so there is a chance to watch sc2 in person!
on topic: breaks are just too damn long, i have to quit watching, i can't see a point to say that event starts at 5pm cet and there is no game after 40 minutes... and after every game there is a 15-20 minutes break
On January 19 2014 01:30 Dinotramp wrote: I can't take this anymore. I work full time, there is GSL and PL every weekday, WCS AM and EU starting next week. IEM Qualifiers, Nation Wars today. Tod's tournament, MLG thing and IEM and ASUS ROG next week.
Watching SC2 is a full time job it's a ridiculous.
Just do as I did and quit the job. Being a full time spectator is no walk in the park though. The hours are tough and there is no pay.
Well I'm working two jobs right now and am saving every penny as possible. In 2015, I'm leaving for four years to travel around the world. This year is like my last Starcraft year.
you could travel around the world to go to every live esport event
I'm planning to go to at least one Dreamhack this year. Hopefully people have forgotten but I still need to buy that frog suit for one of them...
On January 19 2014 01:40 DJHelium wrote: Downfall obviously has more knowledge than any other player, just by hanging out in LR threads and reading all the great suggestions.
Unfortunately there is no Protoss in Ukraine so I can show the revolutionary quad Thor defence vs Blink attacks. /:
On January 19 2014 01:40 DJHelium wrote: Downfall obviously has more knowledge than any other player, just by hanging out in LR threads and reading all the great suggestions.
Unfortunately there is no Protoss in Ukraine so I can show the revolutionary quad Thor defence vs Blink attacks. /:
On January 19 2014 01:40 DJHelium wrote: Downfall obviously has more knowledge than any other player, just by hanging out in LR threads and reading all the great suggestions.
Unfortunately there is no Protoss in Ukraine so I can show the revolutionary quad Thor defence vs Blink attacks. /:
Kinda sad that The Netherlands didn't get a spot between the 8. Ret, Grubby, Harstem feels like a team that could compete with the other 8. Oh, well. SInce my anti-Germany sentiment is crossing over from football i'm cheering for Sweden! Go Zanster! :D
On January 19 2014 01:52 Lokj wrote: Kinda sad that The Netherlands didn't get a spot between the 8. Ret, Grubby, Harstem feels like a team that could compete with the other 8. Oh, well. SInce my anti-Germany sentiment is crossing over from football i'm cheering for Sweden! Go Zanster! :D
i'm sure that if there is a next edition, the orange will be on it
On January 19 2014 01:56 shid0x wrote: Mouz.wake being flamed on french stream ahah.
Why? o_O
he's not being flammed, he's exagerating a bit, it's because mouz wake said that sweden will hit germany really hard and was over confidend on his first player if i'm not mistaken, so they were really hyped at the meltdown, until heromarine came and bbq everything
On January 19 2014 01:56 shid0x wrote: Mouz.wake being flamed on french stream ahah.
Why? o_O
he's not being flammed, he's exagerating a bit, it's because mouz wake said that sweden will hit germany really hard and was over confidend on his first player if i'm not mistaken, so they were really hyped at the meltdown, until heromarine came and bbq everything
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
mouz.wake explained in the interview before the match that there was some drama surrounding Naniwa and another Swedish player. Naniwa decided it was best to step down. So Sweden won't field the strongest line-up, but i guess wise decision by Naniwa really.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I think the players effed it up themselves. Like on a team there can be only teamplayers and unfortunately your strongest player is definitely not a teamplayer.
Here's Naniwa's blog on this topic, since some people seem to be confused about what happened and why Naniwa isn't playing: http://www.tv6.se/blog/naniwa/nationwar
On January 19 2014 02:33 clipzu wrote: lol they fucked it up
Stopwatch running at faster speed, gamespeed itself normal. Like they said; probably a Gameheart resume problem. Can't really say they fucked up.
The in game clock did not run too fast. I used a stopwatch to time how long an ingame minute took in real life. It stopped at 50s and that equals "Fast"-speed (and not "Faster"-speed).
Don't think it affected the game that much but it's kind of wierd that they resume from replay when a caster drops out but not when the game runs at the wrong speed...
On January 19 2014 02:33 clipzu wrote: lol they fucked it up
Stopwatch running at faster speed, gamespeed itself normal. Like they said; probably a Gameheart resume problem. Can't really say they fucked up.
I do not see how it could be related to GameHeart.
It is technically possible for mod or map spectator solutions like GameHeart to change the game speed during a game, but there is no function set to do this anywhere in GameHeart.
If the game speed is slower than it should be, it is likely the game was setup that way or a referee modified the game speed mid-game like what happened in the GSL awhile back.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
eSports drama making it into newspaper is so next level. I feel proud, lol.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
thanks, i was lazy to read the previous blog of naniwa
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
I agree totally. However, I am sure there are many who would not.
But it is quite hard to argue with persons claiming Naniwa is allowed to put up whatever demands he likes just because "he is the best player".
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
From what Naniwas blog was saying, this is wrong, he just declined the offer, if the two mentioned players are in, but did´nt tell Wake to throw anyone out or something like this:
I am not very good friends with them however so ofcourse i wouldnt want to play with them in a teamleague together as it wouldnt feel right / be fun for me. But people seem to think that i threatened wake to get my will through which is certainly not the case. I simply told him that i dont match well together with miniraiser and thorzain and therefor it would be better if i didnt participate in the league if they would, where he told me that he rather have me in the roster than them
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
About this, was SortOf anyway involved in this? I mean I know SortOf had a bad 4-5 months in the end of 2013 but still I would definitely take him before any of these 3 players.
Then there is Sase... a year ago I would have put him in without a moment hesitation, now I am not so sure anymore...
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
Yeah, the thing is if Naniwa is allowed to make those kind of demands it wont be just Miniraiser. It will be Thorzain and anyone else who he does not find suiting to play with.
Its not like the have to travel to the olympics and live together for weeks. They are grown up people who have to play some games over the Internet together, those games not even being team games.
I think that if you want to play for a "national team" then you should also be able do endure that someone you are not best friend with plays game along you.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
He did´nt make ridiculous claims. He just denied the invitation to a team-tournament together with people, he does´nt get along with. It was´nt his idea to throw them out.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
About this, was SortOf anyway involved in this? I mean I know SortOf had a bad 4-5 months in the end of 2013 but he still I would definitely take him before any of these 3 players.
Then there is Sase... a year ago I would have put him in without a moment hesitation, now I am not so sure anymore...
AFAIK Sase is still in Taiwan, lag to EU would kill him most likely.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
He did´nt make ridiculous claims. He just denied the invitation to a team-tournament together with people, he does´nt get along with. It was´nt his idea to throw them out.
I dont see the difference between saying "Those are not allowed in the team if I am in" vs "I do not play in the same team as those persons" ^^
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
I don´t think the "fault" is with anyone:
Naniwa does´nt want to play with people, he does´nt get along with with.
Wake does want the best team, he can possibly field.
Miniraiser and ThorZaIN want into the team.
Everyone has a reasonable goal and does, what they have to do to realize it and then people start witch-hunts. We should just move along, things have happened, that did´nt work out, no need for unneccessary drama.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
He did´nt make ridiculous claims. He just denied the invitation to a team-tournament together with people, he does´nt get along with. It was´nt his idea to throw them out.
I dont see the difference between saying "Those are not allowed in the team if I am in" vs "I do not play in the same team as those persons" ^^
The first has an agrressive tone, implying the suggestion to throw them out. The second is a passive declinement of an invitation to play with them. The difference is quite big IMHO.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
ThorZaIN want into the team.
.
Actually he didn't say yes and/or didnt get back to Wake to confirm his interest so ThorZaIN does in reality have no say in this.
On January 19 2014 02:56 SpikeStarcraft wrote: if the selection of players for sweden was made by wcs points it would have been naniwa, thorzain, sase, sortof and sjow to vote for.^^
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
On January 19 2014 02:04 Rijot wrote: What's up with the players on the Swedish team? Sweden decided to be merciful?
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
Anything but this at least. Would be hilarious if Sweden would be knocked out first, which is not that unlikely x)
Id say we ended up with by far the worst team. Thorzain, Naniwa and X of course had been way stronger... (with Thorzain being able to practise of course. Having a study break and seeing him top16 EU makes me feel he is still quite strong when he has the time to put into it).
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
Wake fucked up his role as a manager for the team. Managed to get rid of all the good players :/
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
I'm sure he would. The fault is with Wake for accepting Naniwas terms, or any such terms from any player.
What I dont get in this.... why is it even discussed. I mean I dont think miniraser would place anyhow. Both SortOf and Zanster are better zergs imo.
Could be argued that they are, but miniraser is better than both morrow and bischu, but was removed by Wake.
I thought that was what the Swedish population did?
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." One does not simply decline the invitation to represent his country.
On January 19 2014 03:04 pigmanbear wrote: Strongest lineup is Russia then Poland then Ukraine then Germany. Happy is the best player in the tournament obviously.
Russia is strongest, I agree (Happy so gud). I'd personally rate Germany 2nd though, HeroMarine is pretty legit.
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
It is exactly the same, the only difference is your motivitation being driven by pride, not by money.
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
On January 19 2014 02:40 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
Well, what basicly happend was Maddelisk questioning if Naniwa was right to pressure Wake by not allowing Thorzain or Miniraiser into the team. This was published in Swedens biggest newspaper and quite much split the supporters in two sides.
- One side who thought that of course Naniwa can say / demand whatever he likes because he is the best player.
- The other side thought it is not a solid solution to let the best player decide who is supposed to play for a national team (since that player one day can be Naniwa, another day it is Thorzain for an example. Is he then supposed to not play if Naniwa is in, and so on).
Naniwa, who said he was not intrerested in the tournament in the first place, decided to back down when this discussion rose up.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." One does not simply decline the invitation to represent his country.
afaik there isn't any entity officially representing countries in esport, let alone starcraft
On January 19 2014 03:04 pigmanbear wrote: Strongest lineup is Russia then Poland then Ukraine then Germany. Happy is the best player in the tournament obviously.
Poland is already out of the tournament and germany already won a nationwar against russia. It is Russia,Germany and the Ukraine. (nerchio is still strong but the rest. meh.)
On January 19 2014 03:04 pigmanbear wrote: Strongest lineup is Russia then Poland then Ukraine then Germany. Happy is the best player in the tournament obviously.
Poland is already out of the tournament and germany already won a nationwar against russia. It is Russia,Germany and the Ukraine.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
Why exactly and when did AllKill format became so popular? I miss good old BO1 1v1s, where the captain set players on specific maps and noone knows who play who till its announced
On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote: [quote] If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
I think the word "harassed" has been used frequently and wrong. There has been a discussion regarding how Wake should do when he picks the Swedish line up. Many persons have also questioned Naniwas demands. That however is not harassing. Also Naniwa died not really help himself, joining the discussion and acting like a 10-year old by actually taking the role as harasser and both insulting and being Very ironical against persons in the debate.
If you join the debate and throw quotes similar to: "hahaha i gues you shold star a blog so anyone interested can read you ides there insted" "sorry i must pracitse Maddelisk since I dont get spnsor money for doing nothing" and so on.... instead of explaning himself you do not have to be a mastermind to realise he is not making it easy for himself.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
I think the word "harassed" has been used frequently and wrong. There has been a discussion regarding how Wake should do when he picks the Swedish line up. Many persons have also questioned Naniwas demands. That however is not harassing. Also Naniwa died not really help himself, joining the discussion and acting like a 10-year old by actually taking the role as harasser and both insulting and being Very ironical against persons in the debate.
If you join the debate and throw quotes similar to: "hahaha i gues you shold star a blog so anyone interested can read you ides there insted" "sorry i must pracitse Maddelisk since I dont get spnsor money for doing nothing" and so on.... instead of explaning himself you do not have to be a genious to realise he is not making it easy for himself.
The word "demands" has been used frequently and wrong. This is the third time, I am telling you, that there were no demands, just a decline of an invitation.
On January 19 2014 02:49 ThePlagueJG wrote: [quote]
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
I think the word "harassed" has been used frequently and wrong. There has been a discussion regarding how Wake should do when he picks the Swedish line up. Many persons have also questioned Naniwas demands. That however is not harassing. Also Naniwa died not really help himself, joining the discussion and acting like a 10-year old by actually taking the role as harasser and both insulting and being Very ironical against persons in the debate.
If you join the debate and throw quotes similar to: "hahaha i gues you shold star a blog so anyone interested can read you ides there insted" "sorry i must pracitse Maddelisk since I dont get spnsor money for doing nothing" and so on.... instead of explaning himself you do not have to be a genious to realise he is not making it easy for himself.
The word "demands" has been used frequently and wrong. This is the third time, I am telling you, that there were no demands, just a decline of an invitation.
He had declined the invitation "if this and this" was not fulfilled. Naniwa ended upp accepting the invitation, because "certain things" were fulfilled. If this is not a demand, what then is?
On January 19 2014 02:52 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
I think the word "harassed" has been used frequently and wrong. There has been a discussion regarding how Wake should do when he picks the Swedish line up. Many persons have also questioned Naniwas demands. That however is not harassing. Also Naniwa died not really help himself, joining the discussion and acting like a 10-year old by actually taking the role as harasser and both insulting and being Very ironical against persons in the debate.
If you join the debate and throw quotes similar to: "hahaha i gues you shold star a blog so anyone interested can read you ides there insted" "sorry i must pracitse Maddelisk since I dont get spnsor money for doing nothing" and so on.... instead of explaning himself you do not have to be a genious to realise he is not making it easy for himself.
The word "demands" has been used frequently and wrong. This is the third time, I am telling you, that there were no demands, just a decline of an invitation.
He had declined the invitation "if this and this" was not fulfilled. Naniwa ended upp accepting the invitation, because "certain things" were fulfilled. If this is not a demand, what then is?
The best player wanted the best players. The manager wanted the best players. No surprise here. But of course a click of people who had nothing to do with it managed fuck it all up. It's amazing.
On January 19 2014 02:52 Glorfindel! wrote: [quote]
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even there you could decline an invitation if you wanted to.
I agree and NaNiwa mainly quit after getting harassed by people in a tournament he both declined the TaeJa showmatch for and didn't want to play in, but he decided to anyway to give it to his fans, but such is life and Sweden got owned today :/
I think the word "harassed" has been used frequently and wrong. There has been a discussion regarding how Wake should do when he picks the Swedish line up. Many persons have also questioned Naniwas demands. That however is not harassing. Also Naniwa died not really help himself, joining the discussion and acting like a 10-year old by actually taking the role as harasser and both insulting and being Very ironical against persons in the debate.
If you join the debate and throw quotes similar to: "hahaha i gues you shold star a blog so anyone interested can read you ides there insted" "sorry i must pracitse Maddelisk since I dont get spnsor money for doing nothing" and so on.... instead of explaning himself you do not have to be a genious to realise he is not making it easy for himself.
The word "demands" has been used frequently and wrong. This is the third time, I am telling you, that there were no demands, just a decline of an invitation.
He had declined the invitation "if this and this" was not fulfilled. Naniwa ended upp accepting the invitation, because "certain things" were fulfilled. If this is not a demand, what then is?
An active question to furfill these things would be. A decline with a given reason, without the question to change the reason is something completely different.
The fault lies with Wake to begin with. You don't let Naniwa decide the national team, which is what he did. In the end he lost all the good players ( didn't even manage to keep naniwa ) and ended up with this. The failure is on him.
If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
Ofc u have the human right to be a diva. (best expression i could find without risking to get banned)
This is not an official european championship but thats the closest we have in this current state of esports. At least those nationwars aspire to start something like an european championship in starcraft. We're not there yet but if we want to get there eventually we might start by taking it seriously. Otherwise we're just always gonna say, ya well.. its not "real sports" anyway.
I believe you got two duties in a free democracy. Vote and get your shit together when you represent your country.
On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote: [quote] If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
Ofc u have the human right to be a diva. (best expression i could find without risking to get banned)
This is not an official european championship but thats the closest we have in this current state of esports. At least those nationwars aspire to start something like an european championship in starcraft. We're not there yet but if we want to get there eventually we might start by taking it seriously. Otherwise we're just always gonna say, ya well.. its not "real sports" anyway.
I believe you got two duties in a free democracy. Vote and get your shit together when you represent your country.
The thing that really sucks though is that NaNiwa said himself that he might never play in a Swedish National team after this drama. Ofc I dont judge anyone if they think he is wrong saying that and so on.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
Ofc u have the human right to be a diva. (best expression i could find without risking to get banned)
This is not an official european championship but thats the closest we have in this current state of esports. At least those nationwars aspire to start something like an european championship in starcraft. We're not there yet but if we want to get there eventually we might start by taking it seriously. Otherwise we're just always gonna say, ya well.. its not "real sports" anyway.
I believe you got two duties in a free democracy. Vote and get your shit together when you represent your country.
The thing that really sucks though is that NaNiwa said himself that he might never play in a Swedish National team after this drama. Ofc I dont judge anyone if they think he is wrong saying that and so on.
at least i really enjoy the drama thats unfolding on twitter :D go TLO!
On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote: [quote] If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
Ofc u have the human right to be a diva. (best expression i could find without risking to get banned)
This is not an official european championship but thats the closest we have in this current state of esports. At least those nationwars aspire to start something like an european championship in starcraft. We're not there yet but if we want to get there eventually we might start by taking it seriously. Otherwise we're just always gonna say, ya well.. its not "real sports" anyway.
I believe you got two duties in a free democracy. Vote and get your shit together when you represent your country.
How is representing ones country a duty? Why should one want to represent ones country? It´s not like patriotism is a required thing in modern society, if someone does simply not care that much, that is perfectly normal and fine.
On January 19 2014 02:46 JustPassingBy wrote: [quote] If I had the choice between Naniwa and Miniraiser, I would pick Naniwa tbh.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
Ofc u have the human right to be a diva. (best expression i could find without risking to get banned)
This is not an official european championship but thats the closest we have in this current state of esports. At least those nationwars aspire to start something like an european championship in starcraft. We're not there yet but if we want to get there eventually we might start by taking it seriously. Otherwise we're just always gonna say, ya well.. its not "real sports" anyway.
I believe you got two duties in a free democracy. Vote and get your shit together when you represent your country.
And yet there are a lot of democracies where 50+% of people don't vote, so evidently your beliefs don't matter all that much since they are beliefs and have no value for other people. If you hate Naniwa for that that's also okay, because you have the right to do that (thankfully).
To the 'free scv' thing, I do think as an opportunity cost the difference between taking the time to kill that scv and kas getting two more marines out is significant in terms of how freely you're able to scout the base, you could see the difference in the development tab while the reaper was scouting
Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
On January 19 2014 04:12 dogmeatstew wrote: TB should put together some Team Canada vs Team USA action, and have the winner of that play a showmatch against the winner of Nationwars.
With the winter olympics coming up we gotta get in our crushing team USA spirit
Huk and Suppy already did that. Canada won 4-1 IIRC while not fielding Scarlett.
On January 19 2014 04:12 dogmeatstew wrote: TB should put together some Team Canada vs Team USA action, and have the winner of that play a showmatch against the winner of Nationwars.
With the winter olympics coming up we gotta get in our crushing team USA spirit
Huk and Suppy already did that. Canada won 4-1 IIRC while not fielding Scarlett.
Match was rigged, we weren't allowed to field Polt or Violet.
On January 19 2014 04:12 dogmeatstew wrote: TB should put together some Team Canada vs Team USA action, and have the winner of that play a showmatch against the winner of Nationwars.
With the winter olympics coming up we gotta get in our crushing team USA spirit
Huk and Suppy already did that. Canada won 4-1 IIRC while not fielding Scarlett.
I think you're missing the point. You're not making a choice at all. You don't let Naniwa make such ridiculous claims.
Miniraser in a recent interview said that he understood NaNiwa and even though he ofc didn't like it he would have done the same thing in NaNiwas position if it a higher chance of him playing with a close friend instead.
The fault lies with Wake accepting on Naniwas terms. He should have picked the best team and if Naniwa choosed to decline because he could not play along side anyone, then it is his choice.
I reacted on you saying that NaNiwa had no right to make claims which he has. It's liek you say the people who meet it who's becoming responsible because of it.
The whole reasoning between "He is the best so he can do as he pleases" is weird. Just because you are good at something doesnt give you any "rights" or justify weird demands. Of course you can make them, but the weird thing more I guess is people accepting them. You would not accept a colleague of yours asking the boss to make you quit the job just because he is a bit better, right? I bet you would find that quite "weird" even though he probably is right to ask for it with that reasoning.
Your analogy does´nt make sence. Again, he did´nt ask to throw anyone out. In your example that would be your slightly better co-worker declining a job-offer, because you work there. Do you still not see the difference from before?
Playing for your national team isnt an ordinary "job offer." You do not simply decline the invitation to represent your country.
You can do with your life whatever you want and so does Naniwa. It's not like this tournament is the Olympics or a football world championship. And even for that you could decline an invitation if you wanted to because, you know, human rights and stuff.
Ofc u have the human right to be a diva. (best expression i could find without risking to get banned)
This is not an official european championship but thats the closest we have in this current state of esports. At least those nationwars aspire to start something like an european championship in starcraft. We're not there yet but if we want to get there eventually we might start by taking it seriously. Otherwise we're just always gonna say, ya well.. its not "real sports" anyway.
I believe you got two duties in a free democracy. Vote and get your shit together when you represent your country.
And yet there are a lot of democracies where 50+% of people don't vote, so evidently your beliefs don't matter all that much since they are beliefs and have no value for other people. If you hate Naniwa for that that's also okay, because you have the right to do that (thankfully).
I dont hate him for that, i just disagree with his choices. Actually its quite nice, better chances for Germany.
When i say duty, i dont mean i would force people to do it. Its just the thing you do for the greater cause, for something bigger than yourself and your own personal petty feelings.
e.g. Democracy is the rule of the people. However, when people refuse to rule they're doing a bad job and consequently endangering the system itself in the long run. The same system that grants them the freedom to do so in the first place. sorry for getting political, i didnt want to get too far off topic.
e.g. not causing drama when you represent your country because you embarass not only yourself but the people of your country.
As per usual you can always choose otherwise. Its just the unselfish thing to do. Feel free to disagree.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
well its easier to focus the colossi when you have more time to do it. .. you also have more time to focus the vikings before they can do too much damage though..
but i can kinda understand when people get mad because of that. I would have been mad too if marine had lost. usually the rules state which speed you have to play and if bischu pauses and wants regame, he should get a regame.
He should have probably just left the game instead of asking. Apparently you cant rely on the admins being capable.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
I think you can see (and change) the game speed in the options menu in the "Gameplay" tab? If I'm not completely mistaken.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
I think you can see (and change) the game speed in the options menu in the "Gameplay" tab? If I'm not completely mistaken.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
I think you can see (and change) the game speed in the options menu in the "Gameplay" tab? If I'm not completely mistaken.
Just press + if you are Ref ingame
but you can't CHECK that's why i say blame blizzard, a common enemy brings the community closer
On January 19 2014 04:13 Glorfindel! wrote: Sweden team apparently very upset over not getting a regame on Bischu vs HeroMarine due to the wrong game speed.
Quoting Wake: "Bischu pausing the game and complains to the admins, the admins unpauses and lets the game continue. Im getting so tired of this..." "The timings and muscle memory gets totally distorted when you are used to play 99,99999% of you games on one speed"
yes but it also counts for Heromarine, also i dont think it would have changed that much caus the last fight Heromarine had great positioning and all colo couldnt hit bio before they died.
I just find it to be a weird decision from the admins. If you know the game speed is wrong, why not just fix it? No matter if it's the same advantage or disadvantage for both the loser will not be happy. It's not like the admins didn't know about it, Bischu even stated it in game. Pressing + isn't that hard.
blizzard stated they will add a way for admin to check gamespeed (it will be ready for the LAN patch)
I think you can see (and change) the game speed in the options menu in the "Gameplay" tab? If I'm not completely mistaken.
Just press + if you are Ref ingame
but you can't CHECK that's why i say blame blizzard, a common enemy brings the community closer
Its ok its ok. France never wins vs ukraine the first time. But when the second time comes its rape time, remember the world cup REMEMBER THE WORLD CUP
On January 19 2014 05:25 Napoleon53 wrote: gfg = good fucking game ... or was it just a typo?
Since f is directly next to g, I´d assume, that it was just a typo.
On January 19 2014 05:26 JacobShock wrote: I love you TB but somewhere in NA qxc is sitting cursing your name
No offense to QXC, but I highly doubt, that he is on the level of Heromarine/Kas/Strelok/Happy/MajOr/(Lucifron)/Dayshi.
I agree, but he is not that much worse than Major. Maybe a little, but to completely dismiss him is a little harsh imo :b
I don´t think it is harsh, given how the question was formulated. I´d rather say TB was nice to MajOr.
Edit to your edit: Sure, he said NA players, but he was talking about NA players strong enough to compete on an international level and to do that, those players should be comparable to euros.
On January 19 2014 05:48 Caladan wrote: Wow, 5-0. Last I've seen from Heromarine is 6 months ago. He has improved HUGE times. New best German player for sure.
Will Socke and TLO get a game at all?
Not in this match, if Kas couldn't take out marine, Dimaga won't be able to for sure
On January 19 2014 05:48 Caladan wrote: Wow, 5-0. Last I've seen from Heromarine is 6 months ago. He has improved HUGE times. New best German player for sure.
Will Socke and TLO get a game at all?
Not in this match, if Kas couldn't take out marine, Dimaga won't be able to for sure
Eh, they usually have pretty close games.
Edit: I looked it up, Heromarine is 4-5 vs Dimaga. They're 3-3 in 2014.
The only weakness I see in Heromarine's play is the lack of drops while attacking. It's too bad because his macro and micro are really amazing. GG DIMA!
On January 19 2014 06:10 Swiipii wrote: The only weakness I see in Heromarine's play is the lack of drops while attacking. It's too bad because his macro and micro are really amazing. GG DIMA!
Yeah, after all those Mutas went down he should have sent 1-2 Medivacs out imo. T just has such a hard time against P/Z T3 armies
On January 19 2014 06:10 Swiipii wrote: The only weakness I see in Heromarine's play is the lack of drops while attacking. It's too bad because his macro and micro are really amazing. GG DIMA!
If you get to the point where you have to drop while there are 10+ Mutalisks on the map on Alterzim where you have no good drop location to pull the enemy out of position (because 4th and 5th map are relatively close to the main base by air) it gets close to suicide to try that in my opinion. Just not a great map to do that, although Dimaga admittedly didn't put any spores or spines up so maybe it could work in some way.
Imo Heromarine lost that game in the beginning when he didn't correctly read how Dimaga droned up to 65 workers in the first 7-8 minutes without making a single Zergling though, with super late gas and only 3-5 queens on a map with a very open 3rd which is not blocked by queens or evo chambers in any way. Drive the 6 hellions into the 3rd, kill 20 drones and Heromarine has a freewin at that point. Didn't happen because he didn't have the information, so from there it was an uphill battle and Dimaga knew it would be easy to get 5 bases super early after that.
Economic cheese by Dimaga imo, no other way to put it.
On January 19 2014 06:10 Swiipii wrote: The only weakness I see in Heromarine's play is the lack of drops while attacking. It's too bad because his macro and micro are really amazing. GG DIMA!
Yeah, after all those Mutas went down he should have sent 1-2 Medivacs out imo. T just has such a hard time against P/Z T3 armies
Yup yup, dumping all these useless marines and the few extra medivacs would have buy him so much time . DIMAGA didn't have the time to build spines/spores. Easy to say when you're not playing I guess. ^^
On January 19 2014 06:10 Swiipii wrote: The only weakness I see in Heromarine's play is the lack of drops while attacking. It's too bad because his macro and micro are really amazing. GG DIMA!
If you get to the point where you have to drop while there are 10+ Mutalisks on the map on Alterzim where you have no good drop location to pull the enemy out of position (because 4th and 5th map are relatively close to the main base by air) it gets close to suicide to try that.
Imo Heromarine lost that game in the beginning when he didn't correctly read how Dimaga droned up to 65 drones in the first 7-8 minutes without making a single Zergling. Drive the 6 hellions into the third, kill 20 drones and Heromarine has a freewin at that point. Didn't happen, so from there it was an uphill battle and Dimaga knew it would be easy to get 5 bases super early at that point.
Economic cheese by Dimaga imo, no other way to put it.
Thing is DIMAGA uses his mutalisks with his army (sniping mines etc). So sending a drop or two @ the 4th/5th is really great to kill drones or just to get a better position to engage. DIMAGA had all the time in the world to set up his engagement. But the map really sucks for Terran, Zerg can easily get the surround.
On January 19 2014 06:18 CruelZeratul wrote: TLO number one german player? Pretty sure Socke/Hasu are still more succesfull in their SC2 career overall.
Depends on what scale you are looking. Right now/HotS, I would say TLO, but from SC2 beta -> present I think hasuobs has the best performance.
Dimaga has amazing macro. Really impressive. He is just always building so much stuff even under extreme pressure both in the game against Heromarine and now against TLO
Instead of Banelings some no energy upgradeless Infestors into Broodies would have been nice to see. Oh well guess there are not enough ZvZs atm so the Meta is slow.
only tuned in towards the end but Dima is so awesome. is there anywhere we can see the individual matchups of who played what game? all i see on TL is what country won what match with what score.
On January 19 2014 06:33 Schelim wrote: only tuned in towards the end but Dima is so awesome. is there anywhere we can see the individual matchups of who played what game? all i see on TL is what country won what match with what score.
Everything is on Liquipedia, click the small "i" at the match scorey
On January 19 2014 06:33 Schelim wrote: only tuned in towards the end but Dima is so awesome. is there anywhere we can see the individual matchups of who played what game? all i see on TL is what country won what match with what score.
If you click on the little "i" directly in the bracket, you can see the order of the games.
On January 19 2014 06:33 Schelim wrote: only tuned in towards the end but Dima is so awesome. is there anywhere we can see the individual matchups of who played what game? all i see on TL is what country won what match with what score.
On January 19 2014 06:33 CruelZeratul wrote: I don't think Socke can stand up against this. If it was PvT I think Socke would be fine, but PvZ? Not gonna happen.
On January 19 2014 07:33 Heartland wrote: I hope Bischu does something really dirty Protossy vs thedwf
Well it is Polar Night, so the possibility for a Blink all-in is very high
No, no, no, that's too easy. I am hoping for something like proxy Oracle into Blink into Dark Templar. Something that will make thedwf's subtle balance whining explode into utter madness and frothing.
On January 19 2014 07:33 Heartland wrote: I hope Bischu does something really dirty Protossy vs thedwf
Well it is Polar Night, so the possibility for a Blink all-in is very high
No, no, no, that's too easy. I am hoping for something like proxy Oracle into Blink into Dark Templar. Something that will make thedwf's subtle balance whining explode into utter madness and frothing.
That sounds disgusting. What about 1 gate into double Forge into 3 bases into blink+collossus off of 1 MSC and a Zealot?
On January 19 2014 07:33 Heartland wrote: I hope Bischu does something really dirty Protossy vs thedwf
Well it is Polar Night, so the possibility for a Blink all-in is very high
No, no, no, that's too easy. I am hoping for something like proxy Oracle into Blink into Dark Templar. Something that will make thedwf's subtle balance whining explode into utter madness and frothing.
That sounds disgusting. What about 1 gate into double Forge into 3 bases into blink+collossus off of 1 MSC and a Zealot?
On January 19 2014 07:53 Heartland wrote: Hm. So if you get Ddosed the other team gets points because you gotta forfeit? That seems like a less than good rule.
On January 19 2014 07:53 Heartland wrote: Hm. So if you get Ddosed the other team gets points because you gotta forfeit? That seems like a less than good rule.
Wanna explain the alternative to that? Hold up the entire tournament for hours and hope it goes away?
On January 19 2014 07:53 Heartland wrote: Hm. So if you get Ddosed the other team gets points because you gotta forfeit? That seems like a less than good rule.
Wanna explain the alternative to that? Hold up the entire tournament for hours and hope it goes away?
You mentioned stand-ins. Or conceivably some form of rotation with someone else in the team taking his place.
Obviously it's a pretty big problem if there is a tangible reward to ddosing someone.
On January 19 2014 07:53 Heartland wrote: Hm. So if you get Ddosed the other team gets points because you gotta forfeit? That seems like a less than good rule.
Wanna explain the alternative to that? Hold up the entire tournament for hours and hope it goes away?
You mentioned stand-ins. Or conceivably some form of rotation with someone else in the team taking his place.
Obviously it's a pretty big problem if there is a tangible reward to ddosing someone.
Standins make sense for future events, even if it's actually possible to "pretend to be DDOSed" in order to replace yourself with a standin who might be better in that matchup so that's something to consider.
On January 19 2014 07:53 Heartland wrote: Hm. So if you get Ddosed the other team gets points because you gotta forfeit? That seems like a less than good rule.
Wanna explain the alternative to that? Hold up the entire tournament for hours and hope it goes away?
You mentioned stand-ins. Or conceivably some form of rotation with someone else in the team taking his place.
Obviously it's a pretty big problem if there is a tangible reward to ddosing someone.
Standins make sense for future events, even if it's actually possible to "pretend to be DDOSed" in order to replace yourself with a standin who might be better in that matchup so that's something to consider.
Yeah, it might. Let's hope that not our entire team gets ddosed.
TB the game music DJ That song from supermeatboy I recognised instantly, played that lvl like 500 times (and it was only the first boss :-x). And now Total Annihilation which has some of the best songs ever.
It may have been asked earlier but i just joined. Where the fuck is Naniwa? He would All-Kill everybody else probably. But the way it is now - Go germany!
I'm watching the french stream even though I don't understand everything, it's cool to hear the meltdown crowd so excited in the background, esp. when the french players are playing. Really adds to the atmosphere!
On January 19 2014 08:20 wikid wrote: TB so bad at camera work. totally missed the counter attack from Morrow with his hellions. didn't really matter tho
REally sorry for missing something while solo casting, handling production and obs and also starving to death
On January 19 2014 08:20 wikid wrote: TB so bad at camera work. totally missed the counter attack from Morrow with his hellions. didn't really matter tho
REally sorry for missing something while solo casting, handling production and obs and also starving to death
why do you guys only respond to the people who say bad things
On January 19 2014 09:01 Bagration wrote: Man, downfall really messed that up, and it ended up costing France their tournament run
he's not a one man team, i mean if he can't count on his mate :/ he won 2 point at least
Downfall taking two maps should bring in a french victory 99% of the times, the others only needed a map. If you had told Tod and Day that they only needed one map to bring it home beforehand they would have laughed. His only mistake is being called The Downfall and not The Dwarf, still BOGGLES THE MIND! MY MIND MAN!
On January 19 2014 09:01 Bagration wrote: Man, downfall really messed that up, and it ended up costing France their tournament run
he's not a one man team, i mean if he can't count on his mate :/ he won 2 point at least
Downfall taking two maps should bring in a french victory 99% of the times, the others only needed a map. If you had told Tod and Day that they only needed one map to bring it home beforehand they would have laughed. His only mistake is being called The Downfall and not The Dwarf, still BOGGLES THE MIND! MY MIND MAN!
Oh haha thanks they are using some hightech shit, i didnt even see it at first!
Welcome to 2014, the year when Liquipedia blows all our minds with interactive stuff. On topic though, would be great indeed to have seen a Dutch team. Would probably rather have seen that instead of a Swedish b-team. But hey, Morrow gets some airtime!
On January 19 2014 10:06 CruelZeratul wrote: I love the 3 Turrets in Kas main, He is ahead and so he can be sure to stay ahead.
Somehow it did not work out
Always feel like my turrets are so crap after having uprooted and run 'round with my spores/spines and such. Movable turrets would break everything though. Zanster being as solid as a brickwall by the way.
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
How on earth did we end up with Morrow in our team :S
By causing a bunch of ridiculous drama and harassing Naniwa out of the event apparently. Sweden did a fantastic job of shooting themselves in the foot before this event even began, not even Zansters great performance could save you.
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
How on earth do you write and commentate at the same time!? :D
I am not always the greatest fan of your casting. However I want to give HUGE thumbs up to your for commentating for this many hours. I also think you did well in your solo casting. Take care.
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
How on earth do you write and commentate at the same time!? :D
I am not always the greatest fan of your casting. However I want to give HUGE thumbs up to your for commentating for this many hours. I also think you did well in your solo casting. Take care.
How on earth did we end up with Morrow in our team :S
By causing a bunch of ridiculous drama and harassing Naniwa out of the event apparently. Sweden did a fantastic job of shooting themselves in the foot before this event even began, not even Zansters great performance could save you.
Ohh Please, I have already had this discussion in this thread once. There was never any "harassment". Recomend you to read my thoughts about earlier it if you are interested. I am very well aware of why Naniwa is not in the team. It was more a... "Look, we could had Thorzain, Naniwa and others.. And we ended up with this"
I can not understand either how you can call it "Ridicoulous". What basicly happend was that people said "Look if eSports want to be taken serious and we are supposed to have national team then we need a coach who actually can pick the best team. If players do not want to play there, then they should be free to decline but they should not decide for other players to not be in the team because that is not solid in the long run".
That discussion is rather important on how the team selection is to be made and I can not understand how on earth you can call that "ridicolous" if you want this scene to be taken seriously. One of the few who actually acted childish, harassed and made fun of others was actually Naniwa himself. I placed a few quotes earlier but I can tell you there was a lot of them.
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
you're so touchy about the slightest critique. i didn't trash you or call you stupid, i just thought the hype over going up to 16 pool sounded silly because it's very standard
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
you're so touchy about the slightest critique. i didn't trash you or call you stupid, i just thought the hype over going up to 16 pool sounded silly because it's very standard.
Of course it's standard, but it's also dangerous against 11/11, hence hype. How hard is that to understand? WHY IS TB DOING HIS JOB AND MAKING THIS MATCH EXCITING FOR THE VIEWER!?!?!
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
How on earth do you write and commentate at the same time!? :D
I am not always the greatest fan of your casting. However I want to give HUGE thumbs up to your for commentating for this many hours. I also think you did well in your solo casting. Take care.
How bloody else is TB supposed to cast that scenario? Welp, Zerg being Zerg but proxy barracks meaningless will not work. I mean really? It was a legit call to suggest 16 pool was too slow in that time to beat proxy barracks, the result was good enough but it wasn't SURE that was going to bring enough units to defend that. Stop even pretending you would be a better caster than TB especially after 9 hours, I like his style better anyway even if its not AS accurate its a lot more dramatic.
Sweden, I never believed in them, if they had a Swedish woman on that team they would be tougher to beat.
Look at this Morrow cheese, and how they kicked Naniwa out just like a schoolyard girl drama with shunning tactics, and read Naniwa's Twitter fight, which was so catty. That isn't like how men should be acting! Get it together and stop the feminists Sweden, bring back your proper character and determination to your boys.
Let them pee standing up for Gods sake, so they can win sitting down.
On January 19 2014 10:58 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: How bloody else is TB supposed to cast that scenario? Welp, Zerg being Zerg but proxy barracks meaningless will not work. I mean really? It was a legit call to suggest 16 pool was too slow in that time to beat proxy barracks, the result was good enough but it wasn't SURE that was going to bring enough units to defend that. Stop even pretending you would be a better caster than TB especially after 9 hours, I like his style better anyway even if its not AS accurate its a lot more dramatic.
relax man, no one at any point "pretended they would be better than TB;" it was just an opinion and i already dropped it because it's not a big deal.
On January 19 2014 10:38 Waise wrote: someone want to tell totalbiscuit that 15h 16p is quite a standard macro opener in zvt?
like yeah it can be scary against 11/11 but that's why you 11/11 in the first place. because every zerg goes 15/16...
Can someone tell the LR thread to quit being pedantic for no reason? That'd be nice.
How on earth do you write and commentate at the same time!? :D
I am not always the greatest fan of your casting. However I want to give HUGE thumbs up to your for commentating for this many hours. I also think you did well in your solo casting. Take care.
delay
What is this delay? Some form of magic?
Indeed. Twitch sorcery allows for up to 10 minute tape delay to prevent cheating. We were running 6 for this event.
By causing a bunch of ridiculous drama and harassing Naniwa out of the event apparently. Sweden did a fantastic job of shooting themselves in the foot before this event even began, not even Zansters great performance could save you.
Ohh Please, I have already had this discussion in this thread once. There was never any "harassment". Recomend you to read my thoughts about earlier it if you are interested. I am very well aware of why Naniwa is not in the team. It was more a... "Look, we could had Thorzain, Naniwa and others.. And we ended up with this"
I can not understand either how you can call it "Ridicoulous". What basicly happend was that people said "Look if eSports want to be taken serious and we are supposed to have national team then we need a coach who actually can pick the best team. If players do not want to play there, then they should be free to decline but they should not decide for other players to not be in the team because that is not solid in the long run".
That discussion is rather important on how the team selection is to be made and I can not understand how on earth you can call that "ridicolous" if you want this scene to be taken seriously. One of the few who actually acted childish, harassed and made fun of others was actually Naniwa himself. I placed a few quotes earlier but I can tell you there was a lot of them.
This is a quote from the Swedish manager to clearly states there was harassment going on. The article by Maddelisk was extremely ill-advised and contributed heavily to a witch hunt. Heck the article went as far as to use the word "Utpressning", which translates to blackmail/extortion. Naniwa was evidently attacked by Swedish fans as a result of this article and decided not to play in the event as a result. Sweden in return lost their star player and well, you saw the result of that. Zanster, Bischu, Nani would have been a powerhouse, or Zanster, Sortof, Nani, but Morrow unfortunately was not up to the task today
How on earth did we end up with Morrow in our team :S
By causing a bunch of ridiculous drama and harassing Naniwa out of the event apparently. Sweden did a fantastic job of shooting themselves in the foot before this event even began, not even Zansters great performance could save you.
Ohh Please, I have already had this discussion in this thread once. There was never any "harassment". Recomend you to read my thoughts about earlier it if you are interested. I am very well aware of why Naniwa is not in the team. It was more a... "Look, we could had Thorzain, Naniwa and others.. And we ended up with this"
I can not understand either how you can call it "Ridicoulous". What basicly happend was that people said "Look if eSports want to be taken serious and we are supposed to have national team then we need a coach who actually can pick the best team. If players do not want to play there, then they should be free to decline but they should not decide for other players to not be in the team because that is not solid in the long run".
That discussion is rather important on how the team selection is to be made and I can not understand how on earth you can call that "ridicolous" if you want this scene to be taken seriously. One of the few who actually acted childish, harassed and made fun of others was actually Naniwa himself. I placed a few quotes earlier but I can tell you there was a lot of them.
This is a quote from the Swedish manager to clearly states there was harassment going on. The article by Maddelisk was extremely ill-advised and contributed heavily to a witch hunt. Heck the article went as far as to use the word "Utpressning", which translates to blackmail/extortion. Naniwa was evidently attacked by Swedish fans as a result of this article and decided not to play in the event as a result. Sweden in return lost their star player and well, you saw the result of that. Zanster, Bischu, Nani would have been a powerhouse, or Zanster, Sortof, Nani, but Morrow unfortunately was not up to the task today
You might not be aware that one of the persons reciving critism was Wake himself?
Can you please quote me some of the "harass" that was actually written or said to Naniwa?
I followed the whole discussion, hundres of posts in Swedish and I hardly saw anyone harass Naniwa as a person. What people were discussing was if the manager should give in for his demands (by not nominating Thorzain and Miniraiser) or just nominate all of the best players and then let Naniwa decline afterwards.
Naniwa however if ANYONE was harassing left and right, writing ironic and sarcastic posts and not really trying to avoid any drama. I think he wrote one or two offensive posts towards me that was deleted by the moderators. Following it up by liking every single post I wrote.
If I had gotten upset and harassed him afterwards, hell he had been worth it, however I did not even though I myself recieved some shit from him. However as I experienced it most people arguing that the best team should always be selected and then it is up to anyone to accept or decline just ignored Naniwas posts, they certainly did not harass.
I recomend you to follow @NaNiwaSC2 on Twitter if you search for harassment
I think just because you are good at something doesnt really give you the right to act as you want and that also includes Naniwa. Its crazy how E-sports persons sometimes want to be Kayne West and the next second dont want anyone to critisise what they say or how they act. Just the good parts and none of the bad.
I end the discussion here for my part.
My opinion is that Swedens failure lies in that Wake was not able to bring the strongest team we could have had and if he is responsible for nominating and coaching the swedish team then the failure of the team, as in any other sport lies on him and the players fielded. You cannot blame that on the community.
For an example if a football manager not succeds in getting two of the starts in a team to work together (Zlatan and Messi in Barcelona). Imagine the shitstorm if Guardiola blamed the crowd of not being supportive enough... Or telling them its their fault the team looses cause they "boooo" when the team plays bad fotball.
Glorfindel, I too followed this whole drama from the twitter exchange between Thorzain, Naniwa, DeMuslim and some others, via Maddelisk's article and on to the shitstorm on BarCraft Stockholm, where Naniwa did jump in to snipe at his attackers. Here's my understanding of the matter. Note that this is only just that - my perspective and derived from that; my own personal opinions:
1) Wake tries to contact various people for the team. Some players give him a "maybe" which he can't use at all, and some don't reply at all (according to Wake, Thorzain did not reply despite two separate contact attempts two weeks apart).
2) Wake talks to Naniwa, who says that if Thorzain and Miniraser are on the team, he won't participate as they really, really don't like eachother. I don't know exactly what else was said, but I imagine Naniwa felt he just couldn't work with people he doesn't get along with. You could interpret this as "blackmailing", or you could see it as knowing yourself and your limits and being straight forward about it. Naniwa left it up to Wake to decide. So Wake decides on Naniwa, I guess since Thorzain didn't seem interested enough to answer anyway, and Miniraser didn't measure up to Naniwa's skill. He also knew of the history between these players, and reasoned that there would be little he could do to change anyone's mind. Remember Naniwa's motivation to play was solely based on doing it for the fans. He was prepared to skip an economically lucractive showmatch for this. Maddelisk's argument that Wake should have tried harder, I can somewhat buy, but there are limits to this as well and I would like to know what Maddelisk thinks Wake should have used as a carrot (or whip?) to get Naniwa to expose himself to people he has such a strong dislike for. To put this in perspective, I think it's a bit early to compare esports to football and what kind of commitment you are entitled to expect from the players.
3) Someone (I cant remember who now) makes a comment on Twitter about the Swedish National team, and Thorzain replies something along the lines of "oh you mean the team where Naniwa said he won't play if i'm in it?" Naniwa responds that he doesn't think Thorzain is good enough for the team anyway, and the shitstorm proceeds. Nani presents his case in a blunt, snarky manner, while Thorzain plays the victim. DeMuslim jumps in with personal attacks on Naniwa, Naniwa responds. DeMuslim deletes his own post (the worst one). All in all a rather childish exchange from all sides, where the truth and who's right or wrong gets lost somewhere along the way. (for the record, I think Naniwa was in the right, but... presentation is kind of important)
4) Maddelisk writes her article in the biggest Swedish online newspaper, in which she doesn't directly accuse Naniwa and/or Wake, but she first gives an incomplete account on what happened including their names and then goes on to say that bullying and extortion in esports must be stopped. Anyone with a normally functioning sense of logic will connect the lines between the two dots and realize that she is using what happened as an example of things that need to be stopped. I think she realizes this too, even if she afterwards says that she doesn't directly accuse anyone. There was a clear opinion on who was the bully while Thorzain was portrayed as a victim, where in reality he failed to even get back to Wake in order to get on the team in the first place. Personally I think the article brings up good and important points about the lack of maturity in the esports scene, but I think it was a mistake to bring up an example where she didn't seem to have the whole picture clear. And even if she had been 100% rightly informed, I still think it was a mistake and instead caused a huge backfire as things got very personal. A debate like this gets hurt by going personal, as the point tends to get lost along the way.
5) A lot of Swedes, many of which hadn't followed the whole series of events from the beginning, read the article and then believed the rather one sided implication of Thorzain and Miniraser being victims of Naniwa's bullying. A huge discussion over two different threads on Barcraft Stockholm (a facebook group in which most big Swedish Starcraft personalities are members, and any fan including myself can become a member and take part) ensues, discussing the article and two camps are formed - one defending Naniwa/Wake, and one backing Maddelisk and her article, taking it as gospel and absolute truth. Granted, it's not entirely Maddelisk's fault that people tend to take what they read in a sensationalism oriented newspaper as absolute truth, but I dont think she helped by making the debate personal and including names, regardless of how correct or incorrect her information was. In any case, there were personal insults hurled in both directions, and much moderating had to be done. Apparently, there is much work to be done with the maturity among Swedish esports fans as well.
5) Naniwa obviously reads everything that's being said about him in Barcraft Stockholm and jumps in with some ironic and sarcastic comments. He sees himself as a victim of a witch hunt and that sentiment is influencing his posts a lot. In the end he announces his leaving the team. Glorfindel above says that many posts and personal attacks were moderated, and I do believe the moderated posts came from both sides. If Naniwa himself were responsible for some of them I wouldn't be too surprised, given his tendency to present his often reasonable opinions in a rather immature way, BUT...
...I think something a lot of people missed out on was that just because someone is poor at presenting his case and opinion - it doesn't mean that they're wrong. If you were innocently accused of something in court and you had a lawyer who couldn't express himself in a way that brought respect and understanding from the judge/jury, would you be any less innocent? Naniwa is extremely blunt in his ways, and he has a tendency to be a bit bitter and sarcastic, but he IS often right, it's just that it's harder to swallow because of the way he presents it. That is at least my opinion.
Finally I want to say that I do like (in different ways) most of the great Swedish Starcraft players and personalities. I am a huge fan of Naniwa, and I jump in my couch with genuine joy for him when he wins games. I cheered like mad for Thorzain when he won Dreamhack, I loved Maddelisk's work with Esport-SM and was delighted to hear she won the women's World cup. I really like the fact that Aftonbladet (the mentioned newspaper) is bringing Starcraft 2 into the big news too. I just wish they'd all get along and act more professional (that includes everyone in this drama), and with less prestige involved. Maybe it just seems easy to me as a recently become 40 year old, but I can't recall even I was this childish when I was in my 20:ies. Maybe it's what internet has done to people growing up with it, I don't know.
Finally, Glorfindel, I respect your opinion and I am in no way attacking you here. I just wanted to bring up a different perspective of the whole matter, from my own personal point of view. I've tried to keep it balanced, but I guess that's up to everyone who reads to decide.
How on earth did we end up with Morrow in our team :S
By causing a bunch of ridiculous drama and harassing Naniwa out of the event apparently. Sweden did a fantastic job of shooting themselves in the foot before this event even began, not even Zansters great performance could save you.
Ohh Please, I have already had this discussion in this thread once. There was never any "harassment". Recomend you to read my thoughts about earlier it if you are interested. I am very well aware of why Naniwa is not in the team. It was more a... "Look, we could had Thorzain, Naniwa and others.. And we ended up with this"
I can not understand either how you can call it "Ridicoulous". What basicly happend was that people said "Look if eSports want to be taken serious and we are supposed to have national team then we need a coach who actually can pick the best team. If players do not want to play there, then they should be free to decline but they should not decide for other players to not be in the team because that is not solid in the long run".
That discussion is rather important on how the team selection is to be made and I can not understand how on earth you can call that "ridicolous" if you want this scene to be taken seriously. One of the few who actually acted childish, harassed and made fun of others was actually Naniwa himself. I placed a few quotes earlier but I can tell you there was a lot of them.
This is a quote from the Swedish manager to clearly states there was harassment going on. The article by Maddelisk was extremely ill-advised and contributed heavily to a witch hunt. Heck the article went as far as to use the word "Utpressning", which translates to blackmail/extortion. Naniwa was evidently attacked by Swedish fans as a result of this article and decided not to play in the event as a result. Sweden in return lost their star player and well, you saw the result of that. Zanster, Bischu, Nani would have been a powerhouse, or Zanster, Sortof, Nani, but Morrow unfortunately was not up to the task today
It seems that Naniwa's antagonistic personality was used against him in this case. Even though he was not to blame for this incident a lot of people were willing to believe that he stirred the drama based on past events. Madelisk's article was sensationalist. To be honest, in this context, Naniwa did have validity in not wanting to play with certain people since he would be the carry for the team anyway. Thorzain wasn't gonna be in it anyway (he sucks nowadays). The Zanster, Sortof, Nani team would have been the best
Even then I agree with Naniwa's sentiment that it would have preferable to not participate even if he had the opportunity just because of the hate he was receiving thanks to Madelisk's article.
I'm very happy we won a game after like TB said shot ourselves in the foot with our own drama. I really hope Zanster can keep develop to become an even stronger player to challenge NaNiwa atleast domestically more often!