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Has anyone ever considered banning Pokemon Stadium completely? It is already only a counterpick and it seems to me (correct me, if I'm wrong) that the stage is most often used as a counterpick for foxes. With Fox getting more and more dominant in the current meta, wouldn't it be good, if some of his matchup got slightly worse? Or would there be some major drawbacks for the balance of other matchups without fox? It is also one of the legal stages, where randomness has the biggest influence.
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It's been talked about a lot, especially counter picking in general (along the lines of if a stage isn't fair for the first game why is it fair for the second game and onwards?)
Fox has never been dominant though, ever. The only national that fox has ever won was by mango and m2k pretty much makes sure no foxes take titles. Poke stadium doesn't have that much randomness, you always see which stage is next with plenty of time to adjust though some maps are pretty terrible (mountain/fire) where it's way safer to camp than approach.
The general consensus right now is that it's not worse than FD for spacies vs marth/peach or DL for peach/puff and it's quite a balanced stage for a lot of other match ups (vs floaties the low ceiling is quite good even though there's a lot of room). It's also not that good for spacies, even though it's quite strong. At the end of the day, I think most smashers just don't want to play battlefield only.
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Maybe Fox was never dominant and isn't really dominant today either, but with Hax switching to Fox, Armada maybe switching to fox (and the whole 20XX stuff...), it could happen, that fox gets that dominant in the future. As it stands, Fox doesn't have a single negative MU and has 2 good counterpicks vs. many characters (e.g. sheiks will most likely ban FD vs fox, marths ban DL, so they have to play on Pokemon, if I'm not mistaken). Banning Pokemon would be one of the only ways for the community to stop this trend, if it continues.
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So you want to preemptively stop a potential metagame trend by altering the ruleset?
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I only said this can be a countermeasure, if Fox continues to get stronger in the metagame. Currently Fox isn't dominant enough to justify the ban, i agree, but there are signs, which indicate, that Fox might be at this point in the near future.
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Any sort of ban can happen after we're there, then.
I don't think we'll be seeing any sort of unconstested domination from Foxes though. He's still such a difficult character to play consistently with.
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Marth was dominant in 2005. Did anyone vote to ban Yoshi's Story back then? There are legitimate reasons for wanting Pokemon Stadium banned but "i don't want to deal with good characters" isn't really one of them
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United States10328 Posts
we poor samus mains need our pokemon stadium
think of the children
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On March 22 2014 12:34 teeeckskay wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 12:20 theonemephisto wrote: Don't try to use the stick for jumping. It's pretty difficult and not recommended for general play. It's usually best to use Y/X for jumping and C-stick for directional aerials.
to elaborate on this: the main reason you'll see most people recommend X/Y for jumping and C-Stick for aerials is so that you separate your movement totally from your other action/attack inputs. what i mean is, if you use this control scheme, your left thumb is free to control your ground and aerial movement in any way you choose, while your right thumb handles jumping and attack selection. this lets you do things such as dash forward, jump backward, and forward-air while continuing to drift backwards, for instance. also, re: short hopping, if you are using X/Y to jump, you can slide your thumb off of the very edge of the button (so that your thumb slips off and presses into the main controller body). this makes sure that no matter how hard you press the button, you will necessarily release it quickly enough to short hop successfully. this method also starts your thumb moving away from the button array and towards the C-Stick, making quick aerials a little bit easier to execute. Thank you, I can actually SHFFL now!
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On March 23 2014 04:00 NoHardFeelings wrote: Maybe Fox was never dominant and isn't really dominant today either, but with Hax switching to Fox, Armada maybe switching to fox (and the whole 20XX stuff...), it could happen, that fox gets that dominant in the future. As it stands, Fox doesn't have a single negative MU and has 2 good counterpicks vs. many characters (e.g. sheiks will most likely ban FD vs fox, marths ban DL, so they have to play on Pokemon, if I'm not mistaken). Banning Pokemon would be one of the only ways for the community to stop this trend, if it continues.
What? Fox has always underperformed at the highest level. Hax is only playing Fox against high tiers. AR isn't switching to a Fox main at all. 20XX wasn't even suppose to be, but turned into, a Fox circlejerk. Only recently has Fox had any resemblance of success. Fox has always been immensely inconsistent, even Mango has to switch back to Falco a lot now.
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Are the Z button and C-stick usually used a lot?
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On March 23 2014 12:32 jbui wrote: Are the Z button and C-stick usually used a lot?
yes
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On March 23 2014 12:35 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 12:32 jbui wrote: Are the Z button and C-stick usually used a lot? yes
What for specifically? From what I've seen it looks like C-stick for smashing and DI, not sure what Z is for (grab alternative for L+A?)
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I've been playing for years but just started playing competitively. Is using both L and R a good thing in competitive play? I've used only L for shielding and L-cancelling and I've never used R for anything. Would it be helpful to change this?
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On March 23 2014 13:00 jbui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 12:35 Kyuukyuu wrote:On March 23 2014 12:32 jbui wrote: Are the Z button and C-stick usually used a lot? yes What for specifically? From what I've seen it looks like C-stick for smashing and DI, not sure what Z is for (grab alternative for L+A?)
Z button can also be used as an alternate A button when in the air. I know some people do it, otherwise it is just for grabs since when you jump cancel grab it's easier to X/Y+Z instead of X/Y + L+A.
On March 23 2014 13:09 Jcranberries wrote: I've been playing for years but just started playing competitively. Is using both L and R a good thing in competitive play? I've used only L for shielding and L-cancelling and I've never used R for anything. Would it be helpful to change this? Yes you should be using both. In terms of changing it you don't need to, but it's easier to wavedash out of of shield if you use both.
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On March 23 2014 13:00 jbui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 12:35 Kyuukyuu wrote:On March 23 2014 12:32 jbui wrote: Are the Z button and C-stick usually used a lot? yes What for specifically? From what I've seen it looks like C-stick for smashing and DI, not sure what Z is for (grab alternative for L+A?)
C is also used for aerials ALOT. Z is the PRIMARY grab button.
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Z also for airborne grappling hooks for the likes of Link and Samus
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Hyrule18780 Posts
Using Z for grab let's you JC grab much easier. It's also helpful for grabbing turnips out of the air.
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Why isn't Pikachu top tier!
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Hyrule18780 Posts
Because Pikachu is terrible
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