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JohnChoi
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
On March 25 2014 17:31 bo1b wrote: Do you think it could be said that hungrybox and armada are slightly below mango pp and m2k now? I guess with armada apparently practicing again and coming out of retirement maybe not. Is jump cancelling faster frame wise then dash cancelling? I've gotten super used to dash cancelling -> smash, but if jump cancelling is faster then I'd rather make that a habit. How are you "dash cancelling"? I thought the only way to dash cancel was by jumping or crouching. I'm pretty sure with crouching you lose a few frames making jump canceling the faster method, but crouch canceling leads to a slide. | ||
ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On March 25 2014 17:31 bo1b wrote: Do you think it could be said that hungrybox and armada are slightly below mango pp and m2k now? I guess with armada apparently practicing again and coming out of retirement maybe not. Is jump cancelling faster frame wise then dash cancelling? I've gotten super used to dash cancelling -> smash, but if jump cancelling is faster then I'd rather make that a habit. IMO 1 Mango 2 M2K 3 HBox 4 PeePee Who knows with armada back into it now, I could see him being better than m2k | ||
Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
I'm moving to Kyoto this October. Does anyone know any SSBM/PM communities in that area? Websites/facebook/etc. | ||
jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 26 2014 00:28 TOCHMY wrote: Dunno if this question fits in here since it's not really simple but here goes: I'm moving to Kyoto this October. Does anyone know any SSBM/PM communities in that area? Websites/facebook/etc. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't. I don't know personally, but I do know the New England FB group has been very active, so I'd imagine it's similar elsewhere. | ||
TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
On March 26 2014 00:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'd be very surprised if there wasn't. I don't know personally, but I do know the New England FB group has been very active, so I'd imagine it's similar elsewhere. I found something that seems to be sort of somewhat like a japanese scene: http://www.smashbrothers.info/ Now if I could only read kanji..... | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On March 26 2014 00:22 ffadicted wrote: IMO 1 Mango 2 M2K 3 HBox 4 PeePee Who knows with armada back into it now, I could see him being better than m2k There's no way Hbox is higher than PP right now. Really Hbox has been getting owned by the others since around October 2013. I think he's gone (in games) 0-5 vs. Mango, 4-11 or something absurd vs. M2K, 1-6 vs. PP. Meanwhile PP's last sets with all three of those players were either 3-0 or 3-1. On March 25 2014 23:48 Shinshady wrote: How are you "dash cancelling"? I thought the only way to dash cancel was by jumping or crouching. I'm pretty sure with crouching you lose a few frames making jump canceling the faster method, but crouch canceling leads to a slide. This is correct, you lose frames from crouching | ||
Count9
China10928 Posts
On March 26 2014 00:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: At RoM7, M2K, in the impromptu interview after the scene, said he considered himself and Mango to be the best, and Hungrybox is a tier below them. well, hbox is a tier below them, he has a terrible record vs anyone else in top 5, but he's definitely still top 5 cause he taps every single other person on the planet. (yeah, yeah, there's tons of people who "almost" beat hungrybox, I know, doesn't count) | ||
GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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teeeckskay
United States58 Posts
Mango vs PP: 5-4 Mango vs M2K: 8-9 Mango vs Hbox: 11-2 PP vs Mango: 4-5 PP vs M2K: 8-4 PP vs Hbox: 5-3 M2K vs Mango: 9-8 M2K vs PP: 4-8 M2K vs Hbox: 7-3 Hbox vs Mango: 2-11 Hbox vs PP: 3-5 Hbox vs M2K: 3-7 Mango vs other three: 24-15 M2K vs other three: 20-19 PP vs other three: 17-12 Hbox vs other three: 8-23 http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s0t15g | ||
Phyanketto
United States505 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
The only important thing to note is that M2K has been performing much better recently than 2012/most of 2013. I'm comfortable putting Mango and M2K as being the top 2, with PP slightly below, and Hbox a bit below that. PP mainly has a lack of consistent big wins, and he really needs a couple more of those to be place don the same level as Mango and M2K I think. The moment those come, he can be elevated to the top of the top imo imo. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule18780 Posts
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Fazers
734 Posts
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teeeckskay
United States58 Posts
On March 26 2014 01:23 Phyanketto wrote: Simple question about Captain Falcon. Good players look a lot faster than me when I compare their falcon to mine, which isn't true with my puff or marth. Are you supposed to fastfall everything with him? I might record something later tonight to illustrate my play vs someone like Darkrain or Lord. speeding Captain Falcon up is really a combination of just about every execution optimization there is. it's all about crispness. the top priorities are fast-falling everything, l-canceling everything, and always acting on the first possible frame after any action. there are also some nuances to using his aerials, though. for instance, controlling your aerial drift (i.e. full forward sweeping aerials, or fadeaway aerials or run -> stationary aerials) while still nailing the fastfall timing will indirectly help your Falcon look and be faster. another example is the actual aerial timings: you mostly look at instant aerials (started on the first airborne frame while rising during a short hop) vs. late aerials (on the way down while fastfalling). instant aerials come out faster, obviously, which is a good marker of speed, and instant perfectly fastfalled nairs will get you those super fast super low nairs in the neutral game that you see from Hax, S2J and Scar. however, there are situations where late aerials will speed up your actual links. for instance, when using u-air in a combo, if you do it late, you get to hit->l-cancel->followup all in one fluid series, rather than hit->wait for landfall->l-cancel->followup(?). i haven't seen you play, obviously, but in my experience the thing that people struggle most with tends to be fastfalling perfectly. you want to get your fastfalls really crisp whether you're empty short hopping, fulljumping something, whether you hit or don't, whether you hit someone's shield or their body, regardless of when during the attack animation you hit. since there's a lot of variables that can affect this timing, it takes a lot of practice and attention. | ||
Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On March 26 2014 01:23 Phyanketto wrote: Simple question about Captain Falcon. Good players look a lot faster than me when I compare their falcon to mine, which isn't true with my puff or marth. Are you supposed to fastfall everything with him? I might record something later tonight to illustrate my play vs someone like Darkrain or Lord. Apart from everything txk said, this is also because of the characters. Marth and especially Puff are not super fast characters (though you should also notice a marked difference in fluidity in comparing yourself to pro Marths), so the technical differences in movement and overall speed are not as pronounced. When you pick Falcon or spacies the different levels of mechanical skill become really obvious compared to the pros. Fastfalling is a very important aspect of this, but it's very likely there are tons of other small optimizations as well. Of course we'd need to see a video of your Falcon to be certain but I would guess this is the case. | ||
Shiverwarp
Canada18 Posts
Does anyone have some playlists or Twitch vods for some more Melee tournaments? The only recent one I've watched was the Next Episode that was on because of the TL Calendar, and craving more. Any suggestions to sate me until the next live tournament? | ||
LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
Evo top 8: Apex vods can be found on TeamSpooky's youtube or twitch. | ||
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