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On April 04 2014 22:35 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 22:21 SkelA wrote: I'm gonna be sad if they kill Slade , villain or not hes my favorite character in this show.
Still hoping they will keep him somehow for the long run. + Show Spoiler [possible spoilers for future episodes] +Flash is supposed to come back in episode 20, which is 2 weeks from now. Unless they wrap this all up next week, which is doubtful, Flash pops in and saves the day in a couple weeks. I don't think Flash is coming back in episode 20, since they just finished filming the Flash pilot episode which was what they had originally intended ep 20 to be. If we see the character at all I bet it will just be as Barry Allen.
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I love how Laurel didn't recognise Sara in ep17 i mean wtf they were side by side and she's wearing a mask equivalent to a pair of glasses.
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Also "Oliver is the Arrow" should have been met immediately with "Er, no, we went through this last year when everyone thought he was the Arrow but then the Arrow was seen when Oliver was publicly visible at a party, didn't you hear? People thought he was but it turned out he wasn't."
Sure Slade could have followed it up with pointing out they look the same and Oliver is never around when the Arrow is except that one time and the Arrow seems to have a strange obsession with Oliver's friends and so forth but just saying it and walking away isn't even trying. Oliver just has to go "clearly he's confused and getting his news from last year cause we all already dealt with that shit" and problem solved.
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On April 05 2014 10:49 KwarK wrote: Also "Oliver is the Arrow" should have been met immediately with "Er, no, we went through this last year when everyone thought he was the Arrow but then the Arrow was seen when Oliver was publicly visible at a party, didn't you hear? People thought he was but it turned out he wasn't."
Sure Slade could have followed it up with pointing out they look the same and Oliver is never around when the Arrow is except that one time and the Arrow seems to have a strange obsession with Oliver's friends and so forth but just saying it and walking away isn't even trying. Oliver just has to go "clearly he's confused and getting his news from last year cause we all already dealt with that shit" and problem solved.
Even before all that, the dude is a convicted felon who gad just kidnapped her Ex-BF' sister and held her captive for a few days, why would she even begin to believe anything he says is beyond me.
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I mean, it's enough of a reason to be suspicious, she'll probably look in to it?
It's fucking stupidly obvious in a lot of different ways, so much so that it's probably the biggest plot hole in the show that it's not easily figured out by anybody who has interacted with him.
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On April 06 2014 21:14 Complete wrote: I mean, it's enough of a reason to be suspicious, she'll probably look in to it?
It's fucking stupidly obvious in a lot of different ways, so much so that it's probably the biggest plot hole in the show that it's not easily figured out by anybody who has interacted with him. That isn't the definition of a plot hole.
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On April 10 2014 01:29 Complete wrote: Yes, yes it is...
Plot hole is something that is in direct contradiction of earlier plot/statements/rules. What you spoke about is merely a character being stupid. You might say it's an inconsistency for that character but it's a stretch to call it a plot hole.
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Plot holes can come in many forms:
Characters suddenly having knowledge that was never passed to them, or vice versa; characters not knowing something they knew last week, or something that anyone in their position must know. An event does not logically follow from what has gone before. Characters ignoring or avoiding obvious solutions to their problems. An event occurring that other events in the work simply do not allow.
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You are confusing the characters access to information as the same as the viewers. Sure it seems obvious from a viewers point of view that they should have figured out that Oliver is the Arrow but they don't have access to the information we do. When you look at it just from their point of view it seems reasonable that the connect isn't made especially since it's already been attempted and dis-proven. As I said it's a rather big stretch to call it a plot hole.
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Not to mention who thinks clearly when something like that happens. I forget is Slade was all masked up, so it's either a) A guy you know just kidnapped your friend's sister or b) A lunatic armed to the teeth.
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On April 10 2014 02:34 Numy wrote: You are confusing the characters access to information as the same as the viewers. Sure it seems obvious from a viewers point of view that they should have figured out that Oliver is the Arrow but they don't have access to the information we do. When you look at it just from their point of view it seems reasonable that the connect isn't made especially since it's already been attempted and dis-proven. As I said it's a rather big stretch to call it a plot hole. I'm not confused. One example of many in how easy it is to figure out: Oliver works as the Arrow with his fucking secretary and driver. Multiple people who don't know his secret that the 'Arrow' works with KNOW he works with these two people.
It's really. really. obvious.
and a plot hole.
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On April 10 2014 11:13 Complete wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 02:34 Numy wrote: You are confusing the characters access to information as the same as the viewers. Sure it seems obvious from a viewers point of view that they should have figured out that Oliver is the Arrow but they don't have access to the information we do. When you look at it just from their point of view it seems reasonable that the connect isn't made especially since it's already been attempted and dis-proven. As I said it's a rather big stretch to call it a plot hole. I'm not confused. One example of many in how easy it is to figure out: Oliver works as the Arrow with his fucking secretary and driver. Multiple people who don't know his secret that the 'Arrow' works with KNOW he works with these two people. It's really. really. obvious. and a plot hole. So are you saying it should be obvious because of who Arrow works with or dismissed offhand because they went down that arc and they decided the evidence said Ollie wasn't the Arrow?
Because if you're trying to prove this point, you can't have it both ways.
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On April 04 2014 21:13 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 17:55 saocyn wrote: pretty displeased with episode 18, i can't quite put my finger on it. it seems his attempts at getting "revenge" on oliver amounts to letting thea know her real father, and telling laurel he's the arrow feels meager. it feels lacking in a sort of punishment. maybe because i'm a spectator and the fact we know these truths makes it far less shocking.
on another note, it's not hard to see how this is going to end when slade was shown being lead by a ghost of shado's (i haven't read teh comics) but this looks far too cliche. Maybe you missed the part where he maneuvered Oliver to lose control of his company (and probably easy access to high tech gear and lots of money). Or where Roy left town and is no longer in the fight vs Slade. Or maybe that Oliver's only ally in the Police is now under arrest. And Laurel is not going to blame Oliver for this. Slade is taking away everyone Oliver depends upon. His plan is to leave him alone without anything and then kill him, and this plan is working.
TL:DR - there's alot of emotional depth in arrow, i feel everyone but oliver is lacking in being congruent in portraying the proper emotions.
+ Show Spoiler + hmm, i think i phrased my displeasure incorrectly, i think the acting was lack luster to what it was built up to be, not the actual content of what's happening. i don't recall the episode number but slade put on such a great act in how he wished to bring utter despair to oliver's world, but the reception by oliver has been naught despite a good chunk of the claims by slade were brought into fruitation. more or less i blame the actor of oliver for the lack of showing more frustration agony and despair for how bad his situation actually is on paper. it could be the script, and any other thing who knows. his situation at the moment is no less different than batman's 3rd movie, yet the portrayal of despair was entirely convincing in batman and totally lack luster in the previous episodes in arrow. i couldn't put my finger on it the first time to properly address my displeasure, but now i'm able to come up with the reason why.
i'm not sure if the direction of arrow is attempting to portray an unbreakable symbol of heroism in the "arrow" but that notion contrast alot with the direction every other character is taking in the plot which is an emotional wreck who makes mistakes and bounces back. in the current episode i dont' think it would have been out of character for oliver to cry or tear up when he got hugged by laurel. the scene would have been beautiful if he had been able to relieve his emotional distress to a person who can convey that they comprehend his pain yet at the same time walk the lines of conveying they may or may not know the truth of his identity.
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UUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH
shit just got real.
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On April 24 2014 15:12 Complete wrote: UUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH
shit just got real. Indeed it did!
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holy shit, them feelz. that ending. QQ
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This show is doing the same exact thing it did last season around this moment.
ONLY 1000 TIMES WORSE JESUS
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For a moment I thought he would kill both but now another has to die.
Its kinda predictable that will be probably Sara but It could be Laurel for a shocking plot twist.
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