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http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/471635-mental-health-ramblings?page=3#42
How is this post only a warning? I understand I have veteran status on TL but imo this is worth at least a 2 day ban, I think you guys are getting way too lenient with posting standards in the last few months/year
(No i'm not martyring with this post, honest discussion here)
User was temp banned for this post.
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Lorning
Belgica34430 Posts
imo this is worth at least a 2 day ban
30 at least
kind off tasteless, even for you
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Just to clarify, this thread is about moderation on TL as a whole, not specifically my post. I've noticed almost all users in the Automated Ban List are 1 or 0 post users, on average (real)users are only getting warnings at worst, and even obvious posts against the 10 commandments are being non actioned.
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your Country52796 Posts
I've personally noticed a lot of warnings for balance whine in the past months/year that would have been bans a few years ago. I don't venture outside the SC2 forums a ton so I don't really notice those sorts of warnings/bans. Was that post specifically made in order to test this theory?
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The post was not made specifically to test the theory, I legitimately dislike SetGuitarsToKill so I wrote something mean in his blog. I expected to get banned for it, only receiving a warning prompted me to make this website feedback thread.
I'm looking for thoughts from active mods on the standards of posting right now vs say 2011 or 2012
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Setting your country tag to romania tricked the mods into thinking that everything you write is sarcastic.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
dw im gonna take my bad cop role more seriously now
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Dislike me? I mean, I understand, I'm quite the whiny asshole but still, kind of harsh.
I'm very sorry if my posts on here have upset or angered anyone. I, from the bottom of my heart, want to make up for my substandard history on this site. If you have anything you want to say to me, positive or negative, feel free to message me. I promise I'm trying to make amends.
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TLADT24917 Posts
well, I guess you got your wish OP lol. Having said that, yes, I've noticed that mods aren't as harsh when actioning bad posts. I've had first hand experience with it and don't agree with them being that lenient. Also, I think you could've just as easily made this feedback thread without posting such a negative response in SetGuitarsToKill's blog. I mean, someone is saying they have depression and your first line is kill yourself? You could've just ignored the blog. No reason to comment if it's only meant to be a hateful message!
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On November 22 2014 10:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dislike me? I mean, I understand, I'm quite the whiny asshole but still, kind of harsh.
I'm very sorry if my posts on here have upset or angered anyone. I, from the bottom of my heart, want to make up for my substandard history on this site. If you have anything you want to say to me, positive or negative, feel free to message me. I promise I'm trying to make amends. dude, i dunno what's going on here with you and dodgin, but what he said in your blog is extremely fucked up and for him to tell a depressed/mentally ill person to commit suicide says to me that he has some severe problems of his own. you have nothing to apologize for
people have gone to jail for encouraging suicide, it's a huge deal and not a joke http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/16/minnesota-man-sentenced-to-178-days-in-prison-for-encouraging-canadian-students-suicide/
even if it was part of some kind of moderation experiment that really does not excuse it even slightly
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On November 22 2014 14:16 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dislike me? I mean, I understand, I'm quite the whiny asshole but still, kind of harsh.
I'm very sorry if my posts on here have upset or angered anyone. I, from the bottom of my heart, want to make up for my substandard history on this site. If you have anything you want to say to me, positive or negative, feel free to message me. I promise I'm trying to make amends. dude, i dunno what's going on here with you and dodgin, but what he said in your blog is extremely fucked up and for him to tell a depressed/mentally ill person to commit suicide says to me that he has some severe problems of his own. you have nothing to apologize for people have gone to jail for encouraging suicide, it's a huge deal and not a joke http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/16/minnesota-man-sentenced-to-178-days-in-prison-for-encouraging-canadian-students-suicide/even if it was part of some kind of moderation experiment that really does not excuse it even slightly
I wasn't aware there was anything going on between me and Dodgin until today, but apparently the dude hates me. And I'm aware that encouraging suicide is illegal, I figured it must be in jest, as if he didn't want me to do it. I guess not though. If nothing else, it helps me in perspective, my posts are annoying to some.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 22 2014 15:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:16 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 10:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dislike me? I mean, I understand, I'm quite the whiny asshole but still, kind of harsh.
I'm very sorry if my posts on here have upset or angered anyone. I, from the bottom of my heart, want to make up for my substandard history on this site. If you have anything you want to say to me, positive or negative, feel free to message me. I promise I'm trying to make amends. dude, i dunno what's going on here with you and dodgin, but what he said in your blog is extremely fucked up and for him to tell a depressed/mentally ill person to commit suicide says to me that he has some severe problems of his own. you have nothing to apologize for people have gone to jail for encouraging suicide, it's a huge deal and not a joke http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/16/minnesota-man-sentenced-to-178-days-in-prison-for-encouraging-canadian-students-suicide/even if it was part of some kind of moderation experiment that really does not excuse it even slightly I wasn't aware there was anything going on between me and Dodgin until today, but apparently the dude hates me. And I'm aware that encouraging suicide is illegal, I figured it must be in jest, as if he didn't want me to do it. I guess not though. If nothing else, it helps me in perspective, my posts are annoying to some. I highly doubt Dodgin hates (dislikes your posting, sure) and I'm pretty sure he said it in jest/to be edgy. Stupid thing to say for sure, but I find it extremely unlikely that he'd have anything serious against you personally.
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On November 22 2014 17:15 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 15:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 22 2014 14:16 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 10:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dislike me? I mean, I understand, I'm quite the whiny asshole but still, kind of harsh.
I'm very sorry if my posts on here have upset or angered anyone. I, from the bottom of my heart, want to make up for my substandard history on this site. If you have anything you want to say to me, positive or negative, feel free to message me. I promise I'm trying to make amends. dude, i dunno what's going on here with you and dodgin, but what he said in your blog is extremely fucked up and for him to tell a depressed/mentally ill person to commit suicide says to me that he has some severe problems of his own. you have nothing to apologize for people have gone to jail for encouraging suicide, it's a huge deal and not a joke http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/16/minnesota-man-sentenced-to-178-days-in-prison-for-encouraging-canadian-students-suicide/even if it was part of some kind of moderation experiment that really does not excuse it even slightly I wasn't aware there was anything going on between me and Dodgin until today, but apparently the dude hates me. And I'm aware that encouraging suicide is illegal, I figured it must be in jest, as if he didn't want me to do it. I guess not though. If nothing else, it helps me in perspective, my posts are annoying to some. I highly doubt Dodgin hates (dislikes your posting, sure) and I'm pretty sure he said it in jest/to be edgy. Stupid thing to say for sure, but I find it extremely unlikely that he'd have anything serious against you personally.
Disliking my posting is totally normal, plenty have told me to fuck off on here. If he does have something personally against me, he can let me know tomorrow!
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I don't hate you as a person, I don't know you as a person so how could I?
Also I'd like to apologize for the post, obviously it was extremely out of line and I should be lucky all I got was a 2 day ban for it. It was a rash decision to make the post.(I didn't actually read your blog, I came home to skype messages from other TL users talking about your blog and I was encouraged to make that post, in jest of course, won't name any names)
Back on topic, I'm wondering if the change in moderation is possibly a product of a declining userbase? I've heard some theories about " nazi " modding scaring away users and since TL isn't as active as it once was, the standards were relaxed for that reason. Or is it maybe just a new generation of mods with different ideals? Is Plexa still in charge of TL modding or is it KadaverBB now?
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there are no ideals, everything now is labelized and judged based on political correctness so if you go against the grain you'll get banned; it's just a mater of when.
the dumb but funny is just not serious enough now.
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As I always have, I consider the standards for moderation to be too lax on the site; especially in gen discussion, where very poor standards are routinely allowed, thus degrading the discussions with lots of nonsense.
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On November 25 2014 12:59 zlefin wrote: As I always have, I consider the standards for moderation to be too lax on the site; especially in gen discussion, where very poor standards are routinely allowed, thus degrading the discussions with lots of nonsense.
Yeah someone says this...
The only sane people are those who acknowledge that Wilson should have been acquitted but otherwise desire to challenge the racial unfairness in the justice system (and I don't even know if any of these exist in the black community).
And the guy calling him out for racist posts is the one who get's banned and he doesn't even get a warning... It ain't easy being black, even on the internet...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
He edited his post to reflect a more reasonable opinion.
The only sane people are those who acknowledge that Wilson should have been acquitted but otherwise desire to challenge the racial unfairness in the justice system (and I don't even know if any of these exist in the black community).
He's saying that he's unsure if there are members of the black community that acknowledge that acquittal was the right decision but still believe that racial unfairness is present in the justice system, and no longer "there are no sane people in the black community". I was about to action him for that post (I was literally one button press away), but saw that he had changed it. No reason to punish him for a previous version of the post if he realized he was wrong to say it and changed it on his own.
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On November 26 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:He edited his post to reflect a more reasonable opinion. Show nested quote +The only sane people are those who acknowledge that Wilson should have been acquitted but otherwise desire to challenge the racial unfairness in the justice system (and I don't even know if any of these exist in the black community). He's saying that he's unsure if there are members of the black community that acknowledge that acquittal was the right decision but still believe that racial unfairness is present in the justice system, and no longer "there are no sane people in the black community". I was about to action him for that post (I was literally one button press away), but saw that he had changed it. No reason to punish him for a previous version of the post if he realized he was wrong to say it and changed it on his own.
I appreciate your feedback, but I disagree with your assessment.
What he made clear, was that if a black person didn't make up their mind (presumably based on the evidence) that the officer shouldn't have even went to trial than they weren't sane. And that since he hasn't seen the 'black community' say such (though many have), he was 'unsure' whether there were any sane people in 'the black community'
There is so much latent racism wrapped up in that post it's kind of ridiculous.
EDIT: I'm not sure if you noticed that we quoted the same post.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
The thread itself has become quite... testy. Both sides have questioned the sanity of the other, sure as they of their position. If we were to action every passive aggressive or mildly contentious post, no one would be spared. He changed his statement from a directly racist sentence (which I was about to action) to something more borderline. That isn't enough to action him, but it is something we take note of.
I do encourage you to keep reporting him if he continues posting similarly borderline statements. These things add up, so it's important to keep reporting in detail since we can't read every post made in the thread. Unrelated to xDaunt, there are situations when people toe the line between something actionable and something questionable, and it can be frustrating when it remains unactioned. However if the poster keeps making similar posts we do mark it down in their moderation notes.
For reference, I have no stake in this issue as I do not live in the US. I'm part of a minority, if that is relevant. I follow the news and read it, but I've no direct opinion on the matter.
On November 26 2014 13:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:44 xDaunt wrote:On November 26 2014 10:37 lichter wrote: xDaunt changed his post to something more reasonable. If he had kept it, he would have been actioned as well. We don't punish people when they change their minds unless it's especially egregious.
Ace had directly insulted ("pos", "retard", etc) someone over the past 2 days in that thread 4 times already, receiving 2 warnings. He was banned for a reason. Well, I wouldn't say that I changed my mind so much as I fixed a bad error. My original post was sloppily written and didn't convey what I wanted it to. I am still interpreting it to mean you don't think the majority of the 'black community' is 'sane'. Or more precisely that you were questioning whether or not sane members of the 'black community' existed. When I pointed to some members of the black community who fit his definition of sane and had made so clear on national television he responds with. Show nested quote + I only point out that black conservatives shouldn't count because they are clearly outliers when compared to the black community as a whole, which also generally treats black conservatives fairly badly. Put it a more frequent touched context: The only sane people are those who acknowledge that Marriage is only between a man and a woman but otherwise desire to challenge the sexual preference unfairness in the legal system (and I don't even know if any of these exist in the LGBT community). To me that sounds like a pretty bad thing to say. I guess it's a fair thing to say though by these standards, no?
If you force me to make an analogous context for your statement, we're going to be headed into dangerous territory. And I'd prefer to avoid that.
In any case, the key word here is 'sane'. On the one hand, it can literally mean the stability of one's mental faculties. On the other hand, it is sometimes used as a hyperbolic substitute for "reasonable" or "levelheaded". Reading some recent posts of the user in question, I deduced that his statement meant the latter. It's a heated subject and it's easy to use hyperbole and heavy words to get ones point across. But to ban him for diction, when he clearly attempted to rewrite his post to be less inflammatory, seemed excessive.
I still consider it a dangerous statement and marked it in his mod notes though, so that if he proved later on that he did actually mean that people were literally crazy, that this post would weigh against him. It is possible that I give him too much credit in his choice of words, so reporting future posts is important to solidify the case against him.
Guilty beyond reasonable doubt and all that.
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