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Ugh, I'm starting to think I don't like Superhero shows.
Agents of Shield: oh god what crap, quid after 1,5 episodes. Gotham: saw 10 episodes, was bored to tears Daredevil: loved it, actually Arrow: I thought it was a parody at first, really awful show Jessica Jones: Could the show not be focused on the villain who actually has an interesting super power?
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On December 01 2015 01:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 01:20 -Archangel- wrote:On November 25 2015 04:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:The two things that ended up bothering me plot wise were + Show Spoiler +Simpson deciding to blow up all the evidence and kill the old cop because plot convenience and Khorne demanded it and + Show Spoiler +the whole vaccine thing being completely pointless (though admittedly having the father playing the long con would have been a bit easy for the audience to guess) I suspect both of these are actually results of script rewrites but I guess we'll never know. Oh, and + Show Spoiler +Trish deciding to shoot Kilgrave...through the hermetically sealed chamber...for some reason, even though the only way that could possibly end well is with an instant kill shot that might not even save the people in the room. + Show Spoiler +- Simpson was on some nasty drugs. - vaccine allowed Kilgrave to do nasty mass control he did and give a challenge to JJ without being able to control her directly - she was using emotions to act, which is how most humans react in crisis. Only trained and experienced people can keep cool heads in such situations
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"Nasty drugs" = "plot convenience." Tomato, tomato. 0 precedence for the drugs making him do that before the scene, 0 evidence after the scene that it would make him do that. The only people he kills because of the drugs afterwards are a direct threat to him, not a fellow cop who was handcuffed to a wall and broke his own wrist. Maybe it's some other MCU canon, I dunno.
The vaccine didn't allow that, his parents causing his powers did. The vaccine could have never been mentioned and the show would have played out exactly the same. It was completely irrelevant.
I don't think any combination of emotions would make me shoot a guy through a chamber I know is airtight, removing the airtightness and giving him complete control over the entire room, when you could just wait and shoot him after he tries to leave the bloody place, but maybe that's just me. That crosses the line from emotions to plot-induced stupidity. That she doesn't blame herself for it afterwards like she blamed herself for the tazing boggles the mind as well.
Still, it's a comic book show, so it's okay for it to have a few moments that leave me scratching my head and pointless plot threads. + Show Spoiler +- It was shown it changes his behaviour, makes him prone to choose violent and less smart options. The cop was a threat to his plan to kill Kilgrave instead of arresting him. You can call it whatever but it seems to me like you don't understand what you are watching - really.. did you even watch this show? Vaccine was there so JJ would get his father into his hands, otherwise those two people would never get close enough to give us cool moments of the show when he is captured and his mother surprises us with knife attempt at his life. Later with father in his hands, Kilgrave is able to increase his powers and gives a better end battle. Only reason why Kilgrave survived previous encounters with JJ was because she didn't want to kill him and he knew he had to become stronger to stand a chance vs her. - You don't know what your emotions would make you do in a similar situation. Were you even in life and death situation (for you or other people you cared about) and did you react with cool head with only few seconds to make a right decision? Trish wanted to save his mother and father, waiting would make sure they died first as well as JJ going inside at the time they didn't know he could not control her anymore.
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On December 01 2015 02:04 DickMcFanny wrote: Ugh, I'm starting to think I don't like Superhero shows.
Agents of Shield: oh god what crap, quid after 1,5 episodes. Gotham: saw 10 episodes, was bored to tears Daredevil: loved it, actually Arrow: I thought it was a parody at first, really awful show Jessica Jones: Could the show not be focused on the villain who actually has an interesting super power? Kilgrave powers were very interesting to me. And the way he used them to mind fuck JJ with innocents getting hurt if she does not listen was very cool. + Show Spoiler +And that suicide neighbour was wtf :D
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On December 01 2015 02:30 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 02:04 DickMcFanny wrote: Ugh, I'm starting to think I don't like Superhero shows.
Agents of Shield: oh god what crap, quid after 1,5 episodes. Gotham: saw 10 episodes, was bored to tears Daredevil: loved it, actually Arrow: I thought it was a parody at first, really awful show Jessica Jones: Could the show not be focused on the villain who actually has an interesting super power? Kilgrave powers were very interesting to me. And the way he used them to mind fuck JJ with innocents getting hurt if she does not listen was very cool. + Show Spoiler +And that suicide neighbour was wtf :D His power was a need take on mind control because it allowed him to layer commands and triggers nearly endlessly. And the fact that there was no way to tell someone was being controlled unless and they retained agency unless the triggered made him terrifying. Only a street level villain, but a good one for the power level of JJ and DD.
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I might have phrased that poorly, I liked the villain and I would have preferred the show to be about him instead of the super hero who had just awfully boring powers.
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On December 01 2015 03:08 DickMcFanny wrote: I might have phrased that poorly, I liked the villain and I would have preferred the show to be about him instead of the super hero who had just awfully boring powers. Jessica Jones as never been about her powers, comics or otherwise. The show is about a woman who sleeps with her door open and unlocked in the shittest part of NYC and the one person that woman is afraid of. All of the street level heroes have pretty low end powers and its more about their efforts to deal with real crime. The show was never going to be what you wanted.
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On December 01 2015 03:08 DickMcFanny wrote: I might have phrased that poorly, I liked the villain and I would have preferred the show to be about him instead of the super hero who had just awfully boring powers. I am not sure the public is ready to watch a psychopath as main character :D
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On December 01 2015 04:29 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 03:08 DickMcFanny wrote: I might have phrased that poorly, I liked the villain and I would have preferred the show to be about him instead of the super hero who had just awfully boring powers. I am not sure the public is ready to watch a psychopath as main character :D
Dexter was pretty popular.
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On December 01 2015 04:33 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 04:29 -Archangel- wrote:On December 01 2015 03:08 DickMcFanny wrote: I might have phrased that poorly, I liked the villain and I would have preferred the show to be about him instead of the super hero who had just awfully boring powers. I am not sure the public is ready to watch a psychopath as main character :D Dexter was pretty popular. He also didn’t rape anyone, killed other killers and the show was set up to be a story about a serial killer. Not really Marvel’s area.
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I mostly enjoyed this. It's a bit of a shame that other than Killgrave and Jessica, and perhaps the lawyer lady, the characters fall so flat. Luke Cage is ridiculously personality deprived.
Ending spoilers: + Show Spoiler +not a fan of how Killgrave was ultimately dealt with... the show could have been about underdogs finding out a way to deal with killgraves overpowered ability, but instead Jessica ends up immune, even all the way to the end where he goes super Killgrave. She ended up looking like a fool at every turn despite having the complete power advantage.
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On December 01 2015 04:33 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 04:29 -Archangel- wrote:On December 01 2015 03:08 DickMcFanny wrote: I might have phrased that poorly, I liked the villain and I would have preferred the show to be about him instead of the super hero who had just awfully boring powers. I am not sure the public is ready to watch a psychopath as main character :D Dexter was pretty popular. Dexter was not a villain. He is more like Punisher or Wolverine but with no powers and less combat skills. And more personal reason to kill.
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Killgrave was great. JJ not so much. It also dragged on for a few episodes too many, and Simpson was a boring character and a pointless sideplot. I know that it led to the reveal for a potential next season, but he just wasn't interesting at all, acted incoherently and was generally annoying.
For me, the quality of the series went up every time there was a lot of Killgrave... he was an interesting character doing inventive things. The rest were all fairly bland.
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The twins were freaky... *shudder*
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Watched it all now. It was good, not excellent by any means but definitely worth the watch. I had some problems with some of the writing and directing here and there, but nothing too huge. If i had to give it a score it would be around 7/10
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Very good show, though not outstanding per se. Agreed that Kilgrave was the most fun character by far, whereas none of the "good" guys were especially likeable. Acting was good, pacing was great, except maybe toward the end. Fight scenes were okay-ish.
Thought Daredevil was much, much better overall.
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Havent seen daredevil but I thought this show was fantastic. So incredibly good, I personally enjoy character focused drama, and in that regard this show delievered.
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If anyone would like to know more about the character, i would recommend that you read the Alias series, it's basically the origin story for Jessica: http://imgur.com/a/3Tzyo
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Daredevil was more of an action series, with fight scenes modeled after The Raid. JJ is more of a psychological thriller. The action is definitely secondary to the decision making/dealing with PTSD aspects of it.
+ Show Spoiler +I thought it was pretty refreshing how it handled each scenario and how Kilgrave kept managing to escape, depriving the viewer of that satisfaction until the end. They also made great use of his power. They tried all the teamwork/diversion stuff and it didn't work. Ultimately it just took JJ standing up and controlling him. She didn't need some big "Aha!" to beat him.
I agree that the Simpson/Kozlov stuff didn't seem full fledged enough and didn't make much sense. Like, why did Simpson need to take two red pills to protect himself from the two mysterious spec ops members if he just planned on shooting them? And shouldn't they have been better prepared for him?
I'm also worried about Luke Cage getting his own show at this point. He's not the dullest character in the MCU but he's not worthy of his own show.
Also, I think the twins were a waste of screen time and irritating. At first they seemed like comic relief, but they kept devoting time to the annoying sister, who was portrayed so well that I just wanted her killed/ignored for the rest of the show.
Overall, I liked it more than DD because of the psychological aspects. I thought it was more thoughtful and tried to break more tropes than any other MCU entity to date.
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Enjoyed the show a lot. girl twin was annoying af though.
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On December 11 2015 01:26 FrankDaGreat wrote:If anyone would like to know more about the character, i would recommend that you read the Alias series, it's basically the origin story for Jessica: http://imgur.com/a/3Tzyo
All i got out of the first 50 words of that were about ~15 fucks. A class writing.
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