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- Galleon (Water Pirate Captain) is indeed one of the best nat 4's in the game. However, he's primarily only good for PvP, and in late game dungeon speed runs. He's not very useful early game, so unfortunately I would just stick him in storage for a few months.
- Vigor (Water Werewolf) is kinda meh, some people use him but I would not bother. The Light and Dark Werewolfs are a bit more useful, so you could keep him to skill those up if you ever get them... but Werewolfs are also farmable so I guess I wouldn't bother either. Food.
- Fire Battle Armor... do you mean Fire Battle Mammoth, or Fire Living Armor? Fire Battle Mammoth is useless but is skill up material for Talc or Basalt (Water and Dark Battle Mammoths). Fire Living Armor is a fusion mat.
- Thrain (Dark Grim Reaper) is really useful for speeding up ToA Hard... so again it's something that again you'd want to stick in storage for a few months, but you probably will end up using eventually.
- Fire Magical Archer - feed the 2nd one.
- Mav (Wind Penguin Knight) - yes this is probably the most important monster for ToA Hard. Definitely keep, but you don't need him for awhile.
In terms of general progression here's what most people do. Of course you don't have to follow it exactly but to give you an idea:
- Finish Scenarios - Finish Veromos fusion, reach lvl 40 - Giants B10 - Dragons B10, ToAN 100 - Conqueror Arena, ToAH 70 - ToAH 100, Necro B10, Raid 3/4 - Guardian Arena, Raid 4/5
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I meant fire living armor, yeah.
I have 2 of them. one at 3star and one at 4star(awakened). Are they useless for me?
Is galleon really only good for PvP? as far as I see from google, he is supposed to be beastly for cairos dungeons D: it kind of makes sense since his 3rd skill is such a nice buff. Is that not the case?
Vigor also seems to have a good buff, and I read in google that he's basically a better wind griffin. Guess I won't bother with him if it's not the case.
do I feed wind epikion priest aswell? I have 2 of them too. should I feed both?
I don't think I can finish scenarios for a while yet, haha. I progress to ferun castle now though.
No luck getting shannon.. Currently working on getting more stars on water garuda. I awoke him earlier today.
what runes do you recommend for early game? I currently have him on full energy runes so he doesn't die as he's just 2 stars atm.
P.S. I don't have a storage yet.. lol. Too short on mana crystals to build it and I don't think i can even make it because i'm not high enough level yet
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Keep your 4 star awakened fire living armor for the dark ifrit fusion, the other one is up to you. Fire living armor is skill up food for Wind living armor (Copper, pretty good PvP monster). I personally kept all my living armors, but if you're short on storage space you can feed away for now.
Galleon is good for Cairos Dungeons, but only when you already have established teams and awesome runes and are just trying to speed up your runs. When you are just trying to farm them for the first time, he is not useful because without 5 defensive support monsters you will not survive. Until you've farmed these dungeons for a few months (yes, months... I'm talking thousands of runs), you will not be able to replace your defensive/support monsters with more offensive/damage monsters like Galleon and still survive.
I don't know where you read that Vigor is a better Bernard because that's not true at all. Vigor isn't bad, but Bernard is going to be overall much more useful because in addition to his speed buff skill, he also has an essential attack debuff skill (among other things).
Don't feed any epikion priests. I would keep them to skill up either Rina (water) or Chloe (fire) that you may get down the road.
Don't worry about not getting shannon yet, she's a natural 2 star so you will get her eventually.
Pretty much all support monsters should be runed with anything that gives you a lot of HP and speed, with some accuracy. Since a lot of the rune sets (especially early game) simply just give you stats, it doesn't make a difference whether you use 3 energy sets with a lot of speed in the substats, or a swift/energy set with a lot of HP in the substats, or even broken sets with really good substats.
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well, the things vigor does:
1)disturbs enemy's HP recovery 2)recovers 15% hp for all allies and increases their atk spd 3)decreases enemy's defense for 3 turns
I'd say that's a crapton of utility, especially considering his atk is way better than griffon's. no?
About ifrit -- do all the monsters that are to be used to fuse into ifrit need to be awakened? :O
also- is it normal that griffon and all the other support monsters do like literally 0 damage?
I just somehow managed to win an arena match vs a lvl34 guy with a team full of 5stars.. D: I just attacked to get the 1 glory point but ended up winning with raoq, talc, griffon and tyron.. wtf is this.
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Early game is going to be focused on your Giants B10 team. Vigor's second skill (heal and speed buff) is indeed very good. But his first skill, heal block debuff, is useless because the Giant does not heal. Also his 3rd is useless, because the majority of your damage will come from continuous damage effects from Veromos' first skill, and none of your monsters will be doing significant damage anyway to make use of a def break. Besides, both Bernard and Bella have def breaks.
Bernard on the other hand has an extremely important attack debuff which is critical for increasing your chances at surviving Giants. If you use Vigor then you will have to find an attack debuff from somewhere else. On top of that, Bernard is wind, and Giants B10 is water, so you'll have elemental advantage with Bernard.
A giants B10 team can also easily do B10 of all the other elemental halls, can do Dragons B8, and can make good progress into ToA.
My goal in this game is always to complete the most content with the least investment into my monsters/teams. The skillsets of Veromos, Bella, Bernard, and Shannon just cover so much between them with little overlap, no other combination of 4 monsters are 1) as easy to acquire and 2) cover as much utility.
Yes, unfortunately all monsters for fusion need to be awakened. For 4* fusions they all need to be 4* lvl 30, and for 5* fusions they all need to be 5* lvl 35. It's a long grind.
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guess you're right. It's just such a long way ahead haha. And I'm a bit sad that there's no real way for me to get awakening mats at a decent pace (especially the HIGH difficulty ones).. It's like.. I either have a team ready for B10 or i just have to stick to B4 which I'm doing now. No middle ground..
Another thing - i just realized i can just feed both magical archers because i already have a joker anyway..
Do all the monsters that fuse into ifrit's pieces also have to be awakened? (serpent, bearman, beast hunter, etc?) because if so then it's not only a long grind, it's an impossible one, because i have 0 access to HIGH difficulty elemental thingies..
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It's normal for support monsters to do no damage. It's just how PvE scaling in this game (and many others) work. Enemies have relatively absurd amounts of HP to create "difficulty," and dungeons have multiple floors in a row so the best strategy is going to be to a defensive one, where you apply buffs/debuffs constantly, heal up, and slowly win. If you invest in damage you'll simply run out of steam before getting to the end. As you get better and better runes you will be able to slowly incorporate damage into your teams to start speeding up those runs, but that's pretty far away.
Also to combat the high HP enemies, your greatest source of damage against bosses is going to be dots (continuous damage debuff), which takes off 5% of enemies max HP per turn. This is one of the reasons why Veromos is so important, his first skill has dots.
Also like in many other games, there's really no point in investing in PvP during the early game. You should definitely use up all your arena wings for glory points, but that's pretty much it - you should just be farming glory points and not aiming to get a higher rank. To that effect, most people generally recommend not setting a real defense (i.e. just set 1 fodder monster as your defense), so that people will attack you and drop your rating so that you'll be matched up with easier players. Usually you'll find other players who also set similar fodder defenses, so you can revenge each other throughout the day and easily farm glory points.
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The essence issue is another reason why I recommend monsters like shannon, kona, bernard, and bella - they are nat 2/3 so they are relatively very easy to awaken. Once you get these key monsters up to 5* lvl 35 you should be able to farm B6/B7 of elemental halls, which will start dropping highs at a decent rate, which you will need to complete veromos fusion.
Getting your core team of those support monsters up to 5* should be your initial goal, before you go around trying to awaken everything. Fortunately farming for exp does not require anything special.
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Anyone have a decent (global) guild I could join to hang out in? I got my first awaken today (Kona). I'm really quite enjoying it.
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If we get enough people on TL playing then I'll definitely start a TL guild. I think you need a minimum of 10 people. For now, you can try to find a join a farming guild on reddit.com/r/swguilds.
If you just want to chat and hang out, we can start a LINE chat. LINE is the messaging app that most people use for this game, you (and anyone else) can add me, my ID is jxu9. If you'd rather have a discord chat or something then we can do that too.
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I have discord, but I could use whatever. I'm still in the early game grind. (Just got to normal faimon which I think I need to wack over and over for a bit)
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I'm surprised this game got a thread.
If you're thinking about it, DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. I played it for 6-8 months and I regret it entirely, fortunately I didn't waste any money like one of my friends did, who dropped $100, and got completely ripped off (he got a fake 5-star, an awakened 4-star monster).
The game is entirely grinding on top of grinding. I got my endgame team and then realized that all there is to do is grind some more, and that's when I started getting turned off by the game. The amount of ads they spam at you, the amount of "spend $30 on our game!" screens you are given, it's ridiculous. People are even aware that they rig their drop rates on good things during sales so they don't pay out often. That's why most people will tell you if you ever spend money(which you really really really shouldn't) or open a lot of scrolls, wait until after a big sale/event is over to open them.
Thing is the game could've been fun if they had made the PVP live instead of being you vs player-represented-by-AI.
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Oh snap! I'm jealous of your Galleon, @abuse. I need one to combo with my Pungbaek in arena.
I haven't been able to grab galleon, verde, OR chasun, unfortunately. The godly 4* still elude me...
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This game is understandably not for everyone. But hey, I did mention directly in the OP the grindiness and P2W aspects of this game, so I'm not trying to hide it or anything.
On April 21 2016 09:59 Iodem wrote: People are even aware that they rig their drop rates on good things during sales so they don't pay out often. That's why most people will tell you if you ever spend money(which you really really really shouldn't) or open a lot of scrolls, wait until after a big sale/event is over to open them.
Would love to see a source/evidence of that in this game (or any other popular game for that matter).
On April 21 2016 09:59 Iodem wrote: Thing is the game could've been fun if they had made the PVP live instead of being you vs player-represented-by-AI.
They actually are coming out with live PvP arena. They showed a live stream of it on a testing server so it's not just rumor either.
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What I want most is an option to do "friendly battles" of some sort, even if they're not live or anything. I just want to be able to test myself against some defenses without having to put a bunch of guild or glory points on the line. For now it's more efficient for me to just have a weak farming defense and take easier battles, but that's no fun...
Basically, I just want more pvp! Guild battles are very short and far in between, and wings per day are quite limited, too.
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Glad to see you joining us KillerSOS!
Honestly I'd say I'm quite lucky with my scrolls so far. Pulled so many mobs that I would've had to farm for otherwise, aswell as several end-game characters, so future doesn't look too bad ^_^
I'd sign up for discord or line, whatever, I'm all for us starting something.
I also started another account on my tablet, but I'm going to be making that one completely F2P, see how it goes aswell.
Btw I'd love to see some adds from you guys, let's get together and help out each other with leaders at least. My ID is KyouLV on the Global server. So far I can offer an almost-max-levelled-and-5-starred Tyron.
Still have questions - what's the best way to get lots of mana? So far I'm trying to farm scenarios and selling the runes that pop up but .. ugh. I keep getting dragged down by it because my mana is always so low that I can't really do lots of stuff that I want to do Another thing - I can farm faimon 1 on normal pretty easily now but that gives like 1500 exp per mob with a boost; If I farm faimon 1 hard mode, then i can't beat it, as I die on the last wave in farm mode, BUT even when I die, my mobs get ~2300 exp each. Which is the better idea to do?
And the thing I'd want to see from the game most of all is battle replays. I want to see how people lose to my defense or beat it, and I want to see some replays of how my offensive battles went. :X
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im thinking of trying this game later while watching streams, any difference between the servers?
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On April 21 2016 15:23 lxginverse wrote: im thinking of trying this game later while watching streams, any difference between the servers?
not sure yet but I definitely recommend going to the global server. More people overall = more TL people = more fun
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so i just started on the global servers, lv.6 atm and still getting an overall feel of the game. any tips for a complete noob haha
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read pretty much everything that rvsp said in the first page, that was very very helpful to me at least. I'm not really the best at giving advice currently as I myself started just some 4-5 days ago.
also - another understandable guide I found is in here - http://markup.im/#0IbxGb0z
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