Bruisers- Sonya
Melee Assassin- Zeratul
Ranged Assassin- Jaina, KT, Li-Ming, Valla, Falstad
Specialists- Sylvanas and Xul
Support- Rehgar
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States42254 Posts
Bruisers- Sonya Melee Assassin- Zeratul Ranged Assassin- Jaina, KT, Li-Ming, Valla, Falstad Specialists- Sylvanas and Xul Support- Rehgar | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 23 2016 03:06 GeneralSnoop wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2016 02:01 SC2Toastie wrote: I was just wondering what everybody's favorite heroes are currently! For Warriors, Muradin and ETC. For Bruisers, Dehaka and Artanis. For Melee Assassins, Zeratul and Greymane. For Ranged Damage, Kael'Thas and Sylvanas. For Supports, Tyrande and Uther. For Niche, Rexxar (ISUCKSOBAD) and Abathur. I really wanna learn how to TLV tho ((((( DPS Mura with give em the ax is to fun now with the buff! Greymane with executioner has SICKENING damage output as well.... In fact, with Worgen Cleave, you actually deal less damage with Go For The Throat if you can hit 2 targets with your AAs, that's how sick it is Heroes like Jaina, Arthas, Muradin, Xul (Skeletal Mages) can give near permanent Executioner to teammates and it's insane. Others can proc it for themselves (Valla). I fear the talent gets nerfed soon because of this, though. Maybe to 2s? | ||
Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
On May 21 2016 23:36 SC2Toastie wrote: The downvote system is excellent. In theory. In practice, it just enforces the hive mind thinking. Lastly, the extreme hypocrisy. People will always argue assuming the OP being a jerk and a toxic flamer. One cannot make criticism of plays, mechanics, or anything, really. Anything negative gets downvoted and trolled. Its the same for everything else, like youtube. This system does not work for the reasons you stated. Oddly enough, the best useful comments are ALWAYS negative, alongside with shit posts. I've seen a lot of charlatans releasing fake videos (like the Xcom impossible ironman run) and everytime someone shows up with statistical evidence thats a feat impossible to be accomplished, he gets instantly downvoted by ppl who can't understand his arguments, replaying with nothing more then: "You are wrong m8" My suggestion: Common sense: search for upvoted comments. Good advice: search for downvoted comments. On May 21 2016 23:36 SC2Toastie wrote: The more ppl there are, the dumber it becomes. Its a statistical fact. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion, because a discussion requires two different points of view. One is 'right', the other is 'wrong'. The sharks show up to downvote, and once you are at -1, they start shitposting. It makes no sense at all. Combine that with the extreme nitpicking (a 500 word post will be downvoted and invalidated because you made a comment about Murky not being a tank). Few numbers = more often quality posts but less frequency and vice versa. Now, having an entire post invalidated just because someone did not agree with a part of it is really frustrating and happens to me all the time. Not sure how to prevent it from happening and i would like to hear some thoughts about it. On May 21 2016 23:36 SC2Toastie wrote: My problem is with how Reddit apparantly is the main discussion area for Heroes, whilst it's a very hostile environment that does not encourage discussion, but rather encourages trolling and restating popular opinion again and again. And Murky/Abathur shitposts. Constantly. There are 2 good ways to present a different point of view: 1- Sarcasm. Not recommended. 2- Present a question with a situation where a presented hypothesis doesn't work. Ask his opinion about that. Make it so like he is the one who acknowledges there is something amiss rather then you pointing out what is wrong. This tactic isn't something i made up, its a consolidated sale technique. Keep in mind no one likes to be proven wrong. If he still is in denial, consider the option of you being wrong or he is plainly outside your reach and avoid further replies. Remember: trolls just want attention, do not feed then and they eventually leave. Just ignore all shitty comments and move on, | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
2- Present a question with a situation where a presented hypothesis doesn't work. Ask his opinion about that. Make it so like he is the one who acknowledges there is something amiss rather then you pointing out what is wrong. This tactic isn't something i made up, its a consolidated sale technique. Keep in mind no one likes to be proven wrong. If he still is in denial, consider the option of you being wrong or he is plainly outside your reach and avoid further replies. You appear to be more knowledgable about the subject than I am, but I don't think you can compare the 1-to-1 interaction of consolidated sales/personal discussion with a discussion on a public board. There is no (social) obligation for the other person to respond in a rational way. They can ignore you, nitpick the question, say "strawman" (this one triggers me ), etc. I think the only way a downvote style system can work is by limiting the downvote power of users. This requires trustworthy moderators to give specific users, who contribute well and are reasonable, the power to up- or downvote comments. It also requires moderators to actively discipline users that do not contribute. (for example, this guy: https://www.reddit.com/user/--TaCo--. Check his post history. On TL.net he would have been banned within a week. Personal anekdote: He started discussion (picking a fight?) with me a couple of weeks ago, and he just instantly downvoted my posts with 3 different accounts. My 600 word post got 3 instant downvotes, his "no fuck you", "li ming proves powercreep blizzard moneygrab" got to +4. After 2 of such exchanges, I was 100% positive this guy upvotes and downvotes anything he comes across with multiple accounts. This results in my posts becoming the food for trolls and him getting his epenis extended. Moderators HAVE to take action against such abuse, and limiting the spread of voting power is one way.) | ||
Leolio
France633 Posts
Your only weapon is to be smarter than them (which you are) and not go on this kind of board. Tried to participate to the official forum too, just trying to add a creative opinion on the new Leoric, versus 20 "OMG Leoric nerfed" posts and while I didn't got as much flame as you, it was obvious I was talking to morons who don't even want to consider a different point of view. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6181 Posts
I'm pretty sure the amount of stupidity there would make me either homicidal or suicidal or both That HL is unplayable at times is not even QQ anymore, it's just a fact. I will probably get me the new witcher 3 addon and come back to Heroes after the dust of the soft "reset" has settled. | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Just won a game with 5 level lead. FIVE LEVELS?! | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 22 2016 17:54 Thetan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2016 23:07 zlefin wrote: On supports: I think blizz should've learned more lessons from the evolution of supports in League of Legends; since they had the same problem of some supports tending to be boring to play healbots (especially early soraka); and they've put in a lot of work over time to make their gameplay more interesting. Show nested quote + On May 21 2016 23:29 SC2Toastie wrote: What saddens me is how Medivh is a support hero through and through, yet is qualified as a Specialist because he has 'no healing'. Show nested quote + On May 22 2016 13:54 Larkin wrote: I often wondered at the concept of a suicide support - one that would literally give their life to resurrect a teammate. You sacrifice regular healing/utility etc in exchange for bringing back a hero. Like if Divine Palm restored to full HP/mana but killed Kharazim. I think all three of you aren't properly evaluating how strong consistent heals are in this game. I think the general problem is that there's an assumption (probably from other MOBAs) that supports don't have to be healers. I don't think this is true in hots. If I remember correctly, the issue with soraka back in LoL wasn't that she was boring, but that she was the *only* healer - and that healing is so powerful that just having *one* true healer made it so that any team that drafted her had an innate advantage. Healing basically allows you to be more aggressive / more present on the map, which is an immense tactical advantage for a team with a healer vs one without. You can take objectives with less risk while having the health to push another objective afterwards. You can siege/defend better by negating your enemies pokes. You can win the game off a won team fight, rather than needing to waste time porting to base for health / waiting for a full minion wave to tank turret. Healing is so strong, that I think it's an all-or-nothing design decision in your game - you either require team comps to have a strong healer, or you don't have any strong healers in the game at all. LoL and Dota decided to go with 'none', where as Hots decided to go with 'all'. So while Medivh would be a LoL and Dota support, I don't think he fits in with Hots "supports" purely because the core design philosophy of supports in Hots is different than the supports in the other two games. In LoL/Dota, you just need a hero on your team that is impactful without farm on your team. In Hots, you need a healer on your team. I remember things differently; though you may've played a bit earlier than I had; I was somewhere around season 1 iirc. Back then there was a real problem with soraka just being a healbot. In lane, all she did was stand at/near the tower, and restore hp/mana to her lane partner (usually the adc). The issue isn't whether healing is strong or weak (though that does have effects) the issue is the amount of playmaking ability and interaction the abilities have. When your primary job is to essentially be a mobile moonwell, and just stay far back and keep everyone topped off, that can get quite boring. And they have made a lot of changes to make supports more interactive. | ||
FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Really starting to like Chromies trait, feels like she is the mage to go for when you want a comp that is slow in the early game. Well or if you have an ETC. -> Moshpit in 3 seconds here ult at 20 is fun. | ||
Leolio
France633 Posts
On May 24 2016 22:46 SC2Toastie wrote: Holy shit, HL is in a bad shape, yeah... Just won a game with 5 level lead. FIVE LEVELS?! Think I lost one 4 levels behind today. Usually means 1 player AFKs / 1 bot player (you don't see the hero name anymore it seems) / 1 feeds without being too obvious (to avoid reports). zlefin > TBH I only play Tyrande and BW. Tyrande is perfectly viable as solo heal as long as you take Shadowstalk and the 13 level if needed. Tyrande is skillshot heavy, don't have time to get bored, and BW is map awareness demanding + APM taxing in fights. It's impossible to not have fun with these 2. I think the other supports are boring only when you get your ass kicked. You feel like your team wastes all your work and you can't do much more than what you already do. If the game is tight, you can't be bored playing support, even healbots like Morales. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On May 24 2016 23:01 FeyFey wrote: wow sounds like either a trashing, or 5 people on the enemy team were all lane neglecting. Really starting to like Chromies trait, feels like she is the mage to go for when you want a comp that is slow in the early game. Well or if you have an ETC. -> Moshpit in 3 seconds here ult at 20 is fun. I think the best way to think of her is like people set up tyrande stuns, but she should never, ever be alone. I don't think she is as bad as people think, but it is a mother fucker to land skill shots some times. | ||
NonY
8716 Posts
On May 24 2016 21:51 karazax wrote: NacHoJIn from Korean pro team DSA is streaming on NA server today going for top MMR in NA undefeated so far. they're in a game with some decent players now. pretty impossible to get a really good game (5 good players on both teams) at this hour on NA though. abathur + muradin edit: played against them. my team was winning and honestly should have won but in typical hero league fashion, our teamwork/calls were terrible and some objectives and fights got totally botched. i dont think they were able to make anything happen except maybe take leadership of their team so they were less likely to be so out of sync | ||
Thetan
240 Posts
On May 24 2016 22:52 zlefin wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2016 17:54 Thetan wrote: On May 21 2016 23:07 zlefin wrote: On supports: I think blizz should've learned more lessons from the evolution of supports in League of Legends; since they had the same problem of some supports tending to be boring to play healbots (especially early soraka); and they've put in a lot of work over time to make their gameplay more interesting. On May 21 2016 23:29 SC2Toastie wrote: What saddens me is how Medivh is a support hero through and through, yet is qualified as a Specialist because he has 'no healing'. On May 22 2016 13:54 Larkin wrote: I often wondered at the concept of a suicide support - one that would literally give their life to resurrect a teammate. You sacrifice regular healing/utility etc in exchange for bringing back a hero. Like if Divine Palm restored to full HP/mana but killed Kharazim. I think all three of you aren't properly evaluating how strong consistent heals are in this game. I think the general problem is that there's an assumption (probably from other MOBAs) that supports don't have to be healers. I don't think this is true in hots. If I remember correctly, the issue with soraka back in LoL wasn't that she was boring, but that she was the *only* healer - and that healing is so powerful that just having *one* true healer made it so that any team that drafted her had an innate advantage. Healing basically allows you to be more aggressive / more present on the map, which is an immense tactical advantage for a team with a healer vs one without. You can take objectives with less risk while having the health to push another objective afterwards. You can siege/defend better by negating your enemies pokes. You can win the game off a won team fight, rather than needing to waste time porting to base for health / waiting for a full minion wave to tank turret. Healing is so strong, that I think it's an all-or-nothing design decision in your game - you either require team comps to have a strong healer, or you don't have any strong healers in the game at all. LoL and Dota decided to go with 'none', where as Hots decided to go with 'all'. So while Medivh would be a LoL and Dota support, I don't think he fits in with Hots "supports" purely because the core design philosophy of supports in Hots is different than the supports in the other two games. In LoL/Dota, you just need a hero on your team that is impactful without farm on your team. In Hots, you need a healer on your team. I remember things differently; though you may've played a bit earlier than I had; I was somewhere around season 1 iirc. Back then there was a real problem with soraka just being a healbot. In lane, all she did was stand at/near the tower, and restore hp/mana to her lane partner (usually the adc). The issue isn't whether healing is strong or weak (though that does have effects) the issue is the amount of playmaking ability and interaction the abilities have. When your primary job is to essentially be a mobile moonwell, and just stay far back and keep everyone topped off, that can get quite boring. And they have made a lot of changes to make supports more interactive. I think we started playing around the same time, and there's a decent chance I don't remember things correctly. Dug up an old post where Morello talks about the soraka nerfs here: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3850506 (ctrl+f for "Morello"). It's an interesting thread, where basically the LoL devs explain why dedicated healers don't have a place in LoL, which is something the Blizzard has taken a completely different stance on. My basic takeaway from the thread is that the presence of a healer fundamentally changes the nature of the game. Which is why they had to take that away from soraka, since 1) she was the only true healer and 2) they didn't like the impact on the game by adding more true healers. I think it's fair to say that healing is game-altering enough that you're at a disadvantage if your team doesn't have a healer. Comparing to LoL doesn't make much sense, because LoL has actively tried to remove strong healers from their game, where as Blizzard has actively tried to add them. | ||
MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On May 24 2016 23:37 ThomasjServo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 24 2016 23:01 FeyFey wrote: wow sounds like either a trashing, or 5 people on the enemy team were all lane neglecting. Really starting to like Chromies trait, feels like she is the mage to go for when you want a comp that is slow in the early game. Well or if you have an ETC. -> Moshpit in 3 seconds here ult at 20 is fun. I think the best way to think of her is like people set up tyrande stuns, but she should never, ever be alone. I don't think she is as bad as people think, but it is a mother fucker to land skill shots some times. People probably think she is bad because of her winrate, which means she is exactly as bad as people think. [worst winrate for a character release ever?] | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On May 25 2016 03:09 MotherFox wrote: Show nested quote + On May 24 2016 23:37 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 24 2016 23:01 FeyFey wrote: wow sounds like either a trashing, or 5 people on the enemy team were all lane neglecting. Really starting to like Chromies trait, feels like she is the mage to go for when you want a comp that is slow in the early game. Well or if you have an ETC. -> Moshpit in 3 seconds here ult at 20 is fun. I think the best way to think of her is like people set up tyrande stuns, but she should never, ever be alone. I don't think she is as bad as people think, but it is a mother fucker to land skill shots some times. People probably think she is bad because of her winrate, which means she is exactly as bad as people think. [worst winrate for a character release ever?] I thought Lunara had her beat for worst win rate ever. I don't think she is tip top, but you could do worse for a hero choice, just my opinion though. She could do with that health buff people have been talking about, I'm probably done trying to solo with her though. Need at least a buddy to really enjoy the experience. | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
People like to dive super hard without regarding their team comp. Chromie cannot play in a dive composition, nor can she peel for herself effectively. Characters like Sonya, Thrall, Greymane, Muradin, ETC, have to be aware of this fact and NOT dive like mad men. However, sticking to what you always do is easier and having a scapegoat to flame is convenient. | ||
MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On May 25 2016 03:26 ThomasjServo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 25 2016 03:09 MotherFox wrote: On May 24 2016 23:37 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 24 2016 23:01 FeyFey wrote: wow sounds like either a trashing, or 5 people on the enemy team were all lane neglecting. Really starting to like Chromies trait, feels like she is the mage to go for when you want a comp that is slow in the early game. Well or if you have an ETC. -> Moshpit in 3 seconds here ult at 20 is fun. I think the best way to think of her is like people set up tyrande stuns, but she should never, ever be alone. I don't think she is as bad as people think, but it is a mother fucker to land skill shots some times. People probably think she is bad because of her winrate, which means she is exactly as bad as people think. [worst winrate for a character release ever?] I thought Lunara had her beat for worst win rate ever. I don't think she is tip top, but you could do worse for a hero choice, just my opinion though. She could do with that health buff people have been talking about, I'm probably done trying to solo with her though. Need at least a buddy to really enjoy the experience. Looks like lunara was at 32%, which is the same as Chromie. (and also the worst winrate for a character release ever.) | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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