the Atlantic division is getting exposed.
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
the Atlantic division is getting exposed. | ||
xDaunt
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
Cleveland's starters hardly get a chance to play any basketball and now they're expected to empty the bench early because of this giant lead. | ||
zev318
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Jerubaal
United States7676 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97248 Posts
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paper
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but this only proves how god damn weak the east has been. lebron cakewalks into the finals every year while the west is actually competitive (maybe not so much this year though). | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On May 20 2017 10:59 xDaunt wrote: So about those Celtics.... The East is so bad you could clone LeBron and give one to every team and the Cavs would probably be the best still. Maybe healthy Chicago because Kyrie might have 15 turnovers and LBJ/Butler could take turns "resting" by not guarding Cavs-Lebron | ||
Jerubaal
United States7676 Posts
On May 20 2017 13:59 JimmiC wrote: It's pretty crazy that LeBron is clearly the best player in the league. The guy everyone would pick number 1 If they had to win 1 game or one series. And not only does he almost never win mvp. He was not even nominated. It's a season award, not a yearly career award. Lebron was clearly coasting this year, which is weird considering how many minutes he played. It was obvious Kawhi wasn't going after stats but he didn't play like he was. Lebron just didn't do that much on the court. He just didn't shoot that much, for one. His assists weren't comparable to Harden or WB either. He also wasn't as impressive athletically as Kawhi and his team often stunk at defense. You could argue that Kawhi distracted from Lebron, but, especially in the face of voter fatigue, I don't think "he could've if he wanted to" is a compelling argument. | ||
cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On May 20 2017 15:41 Jerubaal wrote: It's a season award, not a yearly career award. Lebron was clearly coasting this year, which is weird considering how many minutes he played. It was obvious Kawhi wasn't going after stats but he didn't play like he was. Lebron just didn't do that much on the court. He just didn't shoot that much, for one. His assists weren't comparable to Harden or WB either. He also wasn't as impressive athletically as Kawhi and his team often stunk at defense. You could argue that Kawhi distracted from Lebron, but, especially in the face of voter fatigue, I don't think "he could've if he wanted to" is a compelling argument. The Cavs are a 65 win team that won 51 games. That is the beginning and end of Lebron's MVP loss. | ||
andrewlt
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
Edit: Its not just stats because LBJ put up great ones this year. Must be perception or expectations. I do think the cavs under performed but I don't think Lebron did. Every game I watched he was a force, some of his teammates were not. Comparing numbers. Pts Ast Trb eFG TOV(turnovers LBJ 26.4 8.6 8.7 59..4 4.1 Kawhi 25.5 3.5 5.8 54.1 2.1 Westbrook 31.6 10.4 10.7 47.6 5.4 Harden 29.1 11.2 8.1 52.5 5.7 After a quick look my initial call that LBJ was not picked cause of obsession with stats is clearly wrong. Statistically he is right there with him. It must be what others said above Cavs performance. And then also I think expectations of LBJ being so high and him being so consistent that it doesn't seem like he is having a great year since he does it every year. I guess he will have to go for finals MVP! | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
LBJ was the first guy in the building that day. He willed his team of half-committed bored players to a big win over Toronto that night. During that game LBJ put forth more effort than any other Cavalier. I've seen James play live more than 5 times and every time he is giving 100%. There may be players on Cleveland who were coasting this year.. LBJ was not one of them. RJ's podcast makes it seem like Cavaliers life was a non-stop party during the regular season; LBJ made vague comments to his team mates about dropping "fun projects" and focusing on Basketball. When you go to an LBJ game you'll hear a bit of chatter about "LBJ coasting" amongst casual fans who clearly don't go to many games. This chatter occurs before the game starts. After the game is over there is no coasting chat. i invite the people with their coasting theories to watch LBJ play live. Statistically, Real Plus Minue has LBJ creating over 19 wins with an RPM of 7.76. In the reguar season LBJ was the best player in the NBA. Boxscore stats have limited value. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/5 People who think LBJ was coasting didn't watch him play live very much and are misinterpreting limited boxscore stats to evaluate NBA starters. For Starters the various adjusted plus/minus stats are the most complete metrics. | ||
blobrus
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What a boring fucking season/playoffs/series, idk what the NBA can do but the current state of the league is hot garbage. No point even watching anything but the finals (which everyone knew was going to happen before the season even started). | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
If you prefer to lean on addition,subtraction, multiplication and division... just pair up LBJ with any guy on the Cavs roster.. and you'll see LBJ's presence correlates closely with big improvements in offense and defense for each and every player. After watching LBJ play i think one can easily make the leap from correlation to causation. http://www.82games.com/1617/1617CLE2.HTM find me another player in the NBA who moves the needle as much as LBJ does on each of his team mates. the data is all there on 82games.com. Ibaka/Raptors Deal? story is the Raptors have already come to an agreement with Ibaka on a new deal. http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/19/report-serge-ibaka-has-already-basically-agreed-to-re-sign-with-raptors-on-deal-starting-at-about-20-million/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | ||
Jerubaal
United States7676 Posts
19th in Field goal attempts. 9th in scoring. (Yes, he's very efficient, but he also has Irving and Love on his team. He doesn't have to take a shot he doesn't want to.) Lower than the other 3 in usage rate. Fewers assists than WB or Harden. Fewer steals than the other 3. Defensive stats are wonky but Defensive Win Shares did not reflect favorably on him. I have to ask, considering he led the league in minutes, what exactly was he doing out there? Was he setting a lot of aggressive screens or defending really hard? And you can blow your perspective and expectations out your ass. Nobody thinks Westbrook or Harden are the best players in the NBA. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
boxscore stats are a weak and incomplete indicator of player effectiveness. basketball is a team game. just do a little arithmetic with the #s provided by 82games.com ( or examine his Real Plus/Minus) and you'll see LBJ was the best player in the NBA's regular season this year and that matches his ability as the best player in the world. when i see Lebron loafing around i'll let you know. He's not the guy fucking around doing podcasts or researching theories about geographical topology. That'd be his teammates. Until then... | ||
Jerubaal
United States7676 Posts
Every stat is meaningful if interpreted properly. Saying boxscore stats aren't relevant is asinine. I also mentioned Usage rate and Defensive Win Shares. On top of the fact that you are heralding the RAPM as the end all be all of player skill. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
the onus is not on me to account for every second LBJ spent on the court this regular season. If LBJ is guilty of coasting its up to you to prove it. i never saw LBJ slacking during this regular season, however, i did not watch him in every minute of this year. If someone has seen LBJ slacking please put forth a nice youtube video showing the slacking. | ||
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