Finally saw it, and I really liked it. The theme was good, and characters in movies these days, well, they are suppose to mirror the audience right? So better have them fucking stupid. For me, this is about a biological weapon that is suppose to cause extinction. And oh boy do I want humans to be extinct. I felt David was suppose to be this next generation "human", thus rooting for him was fairly easy. My real complaint was as Jinro pointed out, the aliens didn't seem to be that well shot. I wanted more of them, and I wanted way more killing, so you can feel and see this extinction. Remember the Alien 2 start, where you can see the families living, kids playing in the hallway, and later Ripley comes and see it all shred to shit? That just gave me the chills, and I missed those kind of chills in this movie. But hey, that's a classic for a reason.
So yes, this is a very upside down shift from Alien 1 and 2, where you did root for the humans. Just glad I liked it, but hard for me to rate it x/10. I'm an alien/end-of-the-world kind of fan so.
This movie was poor. Very underwhelming and disappointing. Story was all over the shop and had too many holes in it for me. The muppet who blew up the ship about did it for me.
I liked the movie. I expected to see Aliens killing humans and I got that. It was done worse than in Alien and Aliens but still good enough. The story and other stuff, I didn't care for that and didn't expect anything of quality. It is not important for Alien movie anyways.
Was incredibly predictable and stupid, but I enjoyed it enough. Makes a good comedy. and the alien designs are very good. The way they move is really well animated and actually somewhat scary. Get tipsy/high and then watch this.
-The first scene is cringe as fuck when he walks over to the statue and looks up to say his name. It's a lazy and overly simple way to establish that he was created, yet he is perfection so that he will eventually rebel. I absolutely loved his hesitation of listening to Weyland when he asks to bring him tea however. This was way more subtle and already instills a menacing tone, which should be held throughout the movie, but sadly we do not get this. -Set the captain immediately on fire, sure, plot device to make a more insecure and naive/impulsive person the new leader. The woman cries, why should we feel sorry for her? Why should we be invested in her loss? We don't know these people. It sets the tone for not caring for the crew. -The entire ship doesn't have energy because one piece of the entire sail is busted? This is supposed to be high tech shit? Why is there orchestral music playing for a mundane task like fixing the solar shield by cutting a steel cord and hanging a new cord on it? This entire scene is overblown. -Take Me Home, REALLY? People think this is going to be a classic in .. 87 years? Give me a break. Even if it will be a classic (I guess I just don't like the song), it's a poor choice imo. It's probably a David setup, but who knows at this point, right? -Why COMPLETELY ignore your mission's objective because you have a hunch? Wouldn't it be suspicious to find a message like that? Why do you care about your crew not wanting to go back in cryosleep when you have this massive mission responsibility with clear content on how to execute it. Surely the insecurities of one person shouldn't result in a massive logical flaw like that? -Why don't they wear their helmets when entering a new world? Sure, it's breathable, but why should you assume there aren't any micro-organisms that can fuck you up? There's already vegetation!! T H I N K. -You're really not able to knife the creature when he's on your face? Come on woman.. -Why does this woman in the ship after the guy was infected shoot a shotgun inside her ship (which can cause malfunction) and doesn't she run outside to find her crew members? She'll have a better chance of shooting it, there's only one way where it can come out of AND she can potentially find immediate back up. But no, she stays inside of the ship and blows it up instead. NICE. -That small beast is resilient as fuck. And grows like a motherfucker. HOW? In every movie before this they didn't grow that fast. They grew fast, but not. that. fast. I'm pretty sure they fucked him up, yet they didn't. I'm pretty sure I saw them putting bullets inside of it, but whatever. Perhaps they didn't. I guess I can let this one slide because it's nighttime, it's a weird thing attacking and it's strong as fuck. -David runs super duper fast into the dome. The rest is like: wtf is this shit? But they're slow as fuck, who knows what else is out there. One thing wrecked half your crew, better chill the fuck out following the strange man (where you have no knowledge of) in a very, very slow pace. -Boring shit inside the dome, no connections established, Tennessee is arguing with the rest of the crew on Covenant, because he's emotionally invested, but the rest of the (pilots I guess?) are sensible by not letting him go down with the giant ass ship in an ionic storm that can wreck it. -People wandering off one by one. Why? Stupid David - Walter one on one. Bad sexual joke (if it was one at all, or just bad choice of words, of my mind being too sexual too fast). It's supposed to establish a bond between the characters or a rivalry or to show that David is superior or whatever, or that humans are lesser than the synthetics, but it's just a clumsy way of portraying that with the flute playing. It was like two people going on their very first date ever. -How does shooting and screaming of people not echo through where the gathering point was? Why does the captain trust David after he's shown to peacefully "communicate" with the beast? Why do people keep wandering off 1 by 1? -How does David make the eggs? Did he sculpt them out of organic material? Where did he get that organic material? How does he perform genetic engineering and/or molecular studies? -The goddamn part where I completely stopped taking this movie serious was when the chestburster stood up and mimicked David's posture. This scene could've been great, but they completely butchered it with that kind of imagery. Yes, I get it, David is the creator, but you do not need to have the chestburster mimic the God of the species to establish that. This part made me realize the series has become a mockery of itself. -Somehow the reasoning of Tennessee gets through the 2 copilots. Why? How? He hasn't made any arguments other than: we need to save them. Why does it work now when it didn't before? What has convinced them? It's lazy plot progression that's what it is. -The synthetic fight should've been portrayed better, or at least the obvious win of David pretending to be Walter should've been way more subtle. The "twist" wasn't a twist at all, even if he played along until the very end. Hollywood, have you forgotten how to make something entirely believable? -Non suspenseful shower scene. This could've been waaaaaay more dark. Instead you get the blood from the medical bay (how does the alien get out? wouldn't something like that cause for immediate quarantine of the subject? wouldn't they suspect that the synthetic isn't Walter but David or that there is at least a traitor on board?), transitioning into the xenomorph getting behind the couple. Of course there needs to be an obligatory hint at the sexual nature of the entire thing, but it's -again- portrayed so badly. Just stick your tail in her pussy, yeh. -The typical: blow it out into space logic. Seen that, done that. It's old. I liked how she jumped out of the way and it got impaled, but that scene was derivative at best. -How does David not play along with her when she asks about the cabin? Is he like: wtf you on about? Is it difficult for him to just say yes? Wouldn't you be able to abort the onset of cryosleep from the inside if things were about to go awry? Seems like very bad design of a cryopod to be honest. Was it his plan to reveal himself as the true mastermind of it all when she drifts into sleep? Very confusing. -Why do logs only get sent when someone sends them? You'd think that a ship with this important mission would automatically send everything that happens to home base so people can evaluate what's actually going on instead of relying on 14? crew members and a robot to take care of things and then report about it. Seems extremely flimsy to me. You'd think that an override by David would trigger a signal to home, but whatever right? -What were the names of the people of the crew again? -I will not accept that David is the creator of this species. I thought the xenomorphs were an ancient race that wiped out planet after planet by infesting living things like a parasite. Not like this.
-The initiation of the scene when the guy gets sick and put in the med bay. The woman gets locked in and dies as well. It's all good until the point she decides to shoot inside of the ship. There was real tension. The cries for help and for the crew to come had me invested in the character. -The CGI, ofcourse, was great. But I didn't like all that drool coming out of the xenomorph. Just seemed a bit excessive. I guess that's about it. It was all bombastic over the top, yet hollow dialogue and gestures, thematics and symbolism.
Obviously this movie is nowhere near the quality of the first two masterpiece films sadly, but I do think it is the best of the rest of the trash...
It may not be as scary as Alien 3 managed to be despite its awful plot and actors, or full of as much fan service bullshit as Alien Resurrection, AVP, and AVPR, but its characters (as fucking dumb as they are) aren't nearly as stupid as any of the characters in any of the other post 1986 films, including Prometheus (cave expert gets lost in caves, alien animal expert pets hostile alien animal, every action and decision that Charlize Theron's character makes throughout the film, David's decision to contaminate Holloway that makes no sense until we learn more about David's character in Covenant... ).
I could have done with out the two "ambush them while they are showering/cleaning themselves up" scenes (twice in the same movie?! Seriously?) and the whole final sequence on the main ship was just an under developed excuse to follow the traditions of 'surprise its not over when you get to the ship' and 'alien gets blown out into space'... But the scenes with the proto aliens were great in this movie, as was the battle with the true xenomorph on the cargo lifter at the climax.
David makes a fantastically unsettling antagonist, and the ending situation was a wonderful change of pace for the series. All the god/creation stuff may feel out of place compared to the original two masterpieces, but its clear now that it all exists in this part of the series to develop David as a character.
Again, I don't think this movie deserves any awards, but I feel like this Prometheus arc within the franchise now has an interesting enough story going with David that they have my interest now and I am eager to see where they go with it. I feel like a lot of the criticisms people are making will fade in time as the initial let down wears off and people start taking the film for what it is rather than what it could have been, just as people have done with Prometheus now that its been out for a few years. I still feel like the original two movies are best experienced as a stand alone, considering the events of all the other movies an 'alternate universe' created just as an excuse to have more movies... but this 'Story of David' Ridley Scott has managed to scrape together has an appeal on its own... completely separate (and on a much MUCH lower pedestal) from the glory of the originals.
On May 10 2017 10:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Also there's a completely unnecessary martial arts esque fight scene. Who wants this in an alien movie? Please tell me.
Come on man... the confrontation between Good Fassbender and Evil Fassbender? This is a pretty big distortion of what actually happened.
Sure the movie could have moved forward without the scene and got to the same ending, that doesn't make the scene a pointless waste of time. Every scene of the two characters together from the moment they walk past each other was building up to that. The point was to have a moment where each character chooses to take a clear stand in defiance of the other after a period of the two of them exploring their unusual kinship.
Needed or not, to suggest that it was an excuse for a 'martial arts' sequence is quite a stretch.
Was the fight with the android in the med bay in the original Alien an excuse for a wrestling esque fight scene that had no place in an alien movie? No... its just a conflict between two characters that didn't involve an acid blooded alien or an assault rifle. I will admit, it would have been cooler if Walter and David just started tearing each other apart with white tubes and fluid flying everywhere...
On May 23 2017 05:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: never been a fan of alien.started with prometheus then covenant,followed up with alien 1 and today watched alien 2.well that alien 2 movie wasnt any better than covenant or prometheus.alien 1 better for sure.
2 was definitely my favorite even though it was more of an action movie than horror i felt
On May 23 2017 05:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: never been a fan of alien.started with prometheus then covenant,followed up with alien 1 and today watched alien 2.well that alien 2 movie wasnt any better than covenant or prometheus.alien 1 better for sure.
2 was definitely my favorite even though it was more of an action movie than horror i felt
Agree with this, and I dont know how the moves in Covenant are less dumb than in Prometheus? and with a very predictable story development which makes it worse.
On May 23 2017 05:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: never been a fan of alien.started with prometheus then covenant,followed up with alien 1 and today watched alien 2.well that alien 2 movie wasnt any better than covenant or prometheus.alien 1 better for sure.
2 was definitely my favorite even though it was more of an action movie than horror i felt
Agree with this, and I dont know how the moves in Covenant are less dumb than in Prometheus? and with a very predictable story development which makes it worse.
In Prometheus subject matter experts do the opposite of what they are there to do. In Covenant explorers forget to wear vac suits. Both are dumb, but the first one goes further.
On May 28 2017 11:57 imJealous wrote: Obviously this movie is nowhere near the quality of the first two masterpiece films sadly, but I do think it is the best of the rest of the trash...
It may not be as scary as Alien 3 managed to be despite its awful plot and actors, or full of as much fan service bullshit as Alien Resurrection, AVP, and AVPR, but its characters (as fucking dumb as they are) aren't nearly as stupid as any of the characters in any of the other post 1986 films, including Prometheus (cave expert gets lost in caves, alien animal expert pets hostile alien animal, every action and decision that Charlize Theron's character makes throughout the film, David's decision to contaminate Holloway that makes no sense until we learn more about David's character in Covenant... ).
I could have done with out the two "ambush them while they are showering/cleaning themselves up" scenes (twice in the same movie?! Seriously?) and the whole final sequence on the main ship was just an under developed excuse to follow the traditions of 'surprise its not over when you get to the ship' and 'alien gets blown out into space'... But the scenes with the proto aliens were great in this movie, as was the battle with the true xenomorph on the cargo lifter at the climax.
David makes a fantastically unsettling antagonist, and the ending situation was a wonderful change of pace for the series. All the god/creation stuff may feel out of place compared to the original two masterpieces, but its clear now that it all exists in this part of the series to develop David as a character.
Again, I don't think this movie deserves any awards, but I feel like this Prometheus arc within the franchise now has an interesting enough story going with David that they have my interest now and I am eager to see where they go with it. I feel like a lot of the criticisms people are making will fade in time as the initial let down wears off and people start taking the film for what it is rather than what it could have been, just as people have done with Prometheus now that its been out for a few years. I still feel like the original two movies are best experienced as a stand alone, considering the events of all the other movies an 'alternate universe' created just as an excuse to have more movies... but this 'Story of David' Ridley Scott has managed to scrape together has an appeal on its own... completely separate (and on a much MUCH lower pedestal) from the glory of the originals.
On May 10 2017 10:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Also there's a completely unnecessary martial arts esque fight scene. Who wants this in an alien movie? Please tell me.
Come on man... the confrontation between Good Fassbender and Evil Fassbender? This is a pretty big distortion of what actually happened.
Sure the movie could have moved forward without the scene and got to the same ending, that doesn't make the scene a pointless waste of time. Every scene of the two characters together from the moment they walk past each other was building up to that. The point was to have a moment where each character chooses to take a clear stand in defiance of the other after a period of the two of them exploring their unusual kinship.
Needed or not, to suggest that it was an excuse for a 'martial arts' sequence is quite a stretch.
Was the fight with the android in the med bay in the original Alien an excuse for a wrestling esque fight scene that had no place in an alien movie? No... its just a conflict between two characters that didn't involve an acid blooded alien or an assault rifle. I will admit, it would have been cooler if Walter and David just started tearing each other apart with white tubes and fluid flying everywhere...
The fight with Ash is (while a bit weird... why is he trying to kill her with a magazine) very much in line with the rest of the movie; people scratch, claw and hit with whatever loose objects they can find. It is a dirty and inelegant fight.
David vs Walter is a generic, slick, 21st century hollywood fight scene that I think is totally out of place for the alien universe.
Would have preferred the confrontation to be less human and less action movie.
I actually think this movie is worse than prometheus although I'll agree nobody was quite as dumb as the biologist in this movie (I read somewhere that there was a deleted scene where he had previously interacted with a smaller version of this thing which was why he was so at ease but duno if that's true).
I've been thinking some more about it lately and realized that it's a similar problem to what i have with the sc1 vs sc2 storylines.
In sc1 (or the original alien franchise) you have a fairly basic but effective story (and a fairly basic game). Sc2 (or prometheus+) introduces all these high flying themes of gods and creation... and I just think it feels like innovation for the sake of innovation?
To be honest I quite like that type of story, I just wish they hadn't shoehorned it into an alien movie... and I think that's why I ultimately have less of a problem with prometheus than covenant, because prometheus is barely an alien movie at all.
Anyhow, I get they can't just remake alien and expect it to be as good (btw rewatched alien and aliens this week... alien slightly more dated than I remembered but still really good, aliens is just genre perfection - has not aged at all).
I think I would have less of a problem with the movie if the alien films didnt exist.
Edit: btw, the servo suit vs alien queen fight in aliens is so interesting. They cut all music and the only sounds are the machine noises and the two antagonists breathing etc. Cool choice.
On May 28 2017 11:57 imJealous wrote: Obviously this movie is nowhere near the quality of the first two masterpiece films sadly, but I do think it is the best of the rest of the trash...
It may not be as scary as Alien 3 managed to be despite its awful plot and actors, or full of as much fan service bullshit as Alien Resurrection, AVP, and AVPR, but its characters (as fucking dumb as they are) aren't nearly as stupid as any of the characters in any of the other post 1986 films, including Prometheus (cave expert gets lost in caves, alien animal expert pets hostile alien animal, every action and decision that Charlize Theron's character makes throughout the film, David's decision to contaminate Holloway that makes no sense until we learn more about David's character in Covenant... ).
I could have done with out the two "ambush them while they are showering/cleaning themselves up" scenes (twice in the same movie?! Seriously?) and the whole final sequence on the main ship was just an under developed excuse to follow the traditions of 'surprise its not over when you get to the ship' and 'alien gets blown out into space'... But the scenes with the proto aliens were great in this movie, as was the battle with the true xenomorph on the cargo lifter at the climax.
David makes a fantastically unsettling antagonist, and the ending situation was a wonderful change of pace for the series. All the god/creation stuff may feel out of place compared to the original two masterpieces, but its clear now that it all exists in this part of the series to develop David as a character.
Again, I don't think this movie deserves any awards, but I feel like this Prometheus arc within the franchise now has an interesting enough story going with David that they have my interest now and I am eager to see where they go with it. I feel like a lot of the criticisms people are making will fade in time as the initial let down wears off and people start taking the film for what it is rather than what it could have been, just as people have done with Prometheus now that its been out for a few years. I still feel like the original two movies are best experienced as a stand alone, considering the events of all the other movies an 'alternate universe' created just as an excuse to have more movies... but this 'Story of David' Ridley Scott has managed to scrape together has an appeal on its own... completely separate (and on a much MUCH lower pedestal) from the glory of the originals.
On May 10 2017 10:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Also there's a completely unnecessary martial arts esque fight scene. Who wants this in an alien movie? Please tell me.
Come on man... the confrontation between Good Fassbender and Evil Fassbender? This is a pretty big distortion of what actually happened.
Sure the movie could have moved forward without the scene and got to the same ending, that doesn't make the scene a pointless waste of time. Every scene of the two characters together from the moment they walk past each other was building up to that. The point was to have a moment where each character chooses to take a clear stand in defiance of the other after a period of the two of them exploring their unusual kinship.
Needed or not, to suggest that it was an excuse for a 'martial arts' sequence is quite a stretch.
Was the fight with the android in the med bay in the original Alien an excuse for a wrestling esque fight scene that had no place in an alien movie? No... its just a conflict between two characters that didn't involve an acid blooded alien or an assault rifle. I will admit, it would have been cooler if Walter and David just started tearing each other apart with white tubes and fluid flying everywhere...
The fight with Ash is (while a bit weird... why is he trying to kill her with a magazine) very much in line with the rest of the movie; people scratch, claw and hit with whatever loose objects they can find. It is a dirty and inelegant fight.
David vs Walter is a generic, slick, 21st century hollywood fight scene that I think is totally out of place for the alien universe.
Would have preferred the confrontation to be less human and less action movie.
I actually think this movie is worse than prometheus although I'll agree nobody was quite as dumb as the biologist in this movie (I read somewhere that there was a deleted scene where he had previously interacted with a smaller version of this thing which was why he was so at ease but duno if that's true).
I've been thinking some more about it lately and realized that it's a similar problem to what i have with the sc1 vs sc2 storylines.
In sc1 (or the original alien franchise) you have a fairly basic but effective story (and a fairly basic game). Sc2 (or prometheus+) introduces all these high flying themes of gods and creation... and I just think it feels like innovation for the sake of innovation?
To be honest I quite like that type of story, I just wish they hadn't shoehorned it into an alien movie... and I think that's why I ultimately have less of a problem with prometheus than covenant, because prometheus is barely an alien movie at all.
Anyhow, I get they can't just remake alien and expect it to be as good (btw rewatched alien and aliens this week... alien slightly more dated than I remembered but still really good, aliens is just genre perfection - has not aged at all).
I think I would have less of a problem with the movie if the alien films didnt exist.
When they find the Space Jockey in the ship in Alien1 isnt it implied they're using the Aliens as weapons they just happend to get loose and kill him?
On May 28 2017 11:57 imJealous wrote: Obviously this movie is nowhere near the quality of the first two masterpiece films sadly, but I do think it is the best of the rest of the trash...
It may not be as scary as Alien 3 managed to be despite its awful plot and actors, or full of as much fan service bullshit as Alien Resurrection, AVP, and AVPR, but its characters (as fucking dumb as they are) aren't nearly as stupid as any of the characters in any of the other post 1986 films, including Prometheus (cave expert gets lost in caves, alien animal expert pets hostile alien animal, every action and decision that Charlize Theron's character makes throughout the film, David's decision to contaminate Holloway that makes no sense until we learn more about David's character in Covenant... ).
I could have done with out the two "ambush them while they are showering/cleaning themselves up" scenes (twice in the same movie?! Seriously?) and the whole final sequence on the main ship was just an under developed excuse to follow the traditions of 'surprise its not over when you get to the ship' and 'alien gets blown out into space'... But the scenes with the proto aliens were great in this movie, as was the battle with the true xenomorph on the cargo lifter at the climax.
David makes a fantastically unsettling antagonist, and the ending situation was a wonderful change of pace for the series. All the god/creation stuff may feel out of place compared to the original two masterpieces, but its clear now that it all exists in this part of the series to develop David as a character.
Again, I don't think this movie deserves any awards, but I feel like this Prometheus arc within the franchise now has an interesting enough story going with David that they have my interest now and I am eager to see where they go with it. I feel like a lot of the criticisms people are making will fade in time as the initial let down wears off and people start taking the film for what it is rather than what it could have been, just as people have done with Prometheus now that its been out for a few years. I still feel like the original two movies are best experienced as a stand alone, considering the events of all the other movies an 'alternate universe' created just as an excuse to have more movies... but this 'Story of David' Ridley Scott has managed to scrape together has an appeal on its own... completely separate (and on a much MUCH lower pedestal) from the glory of the originals.
On May 10 2017 10:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Also there's a completely unnecessary martial arts esque fight scene. Who wants this in an alien movie? Please tell me.
Come on man... the confrontation between Good Fassbender and Evil Fassbender? This is a pretty big distortion of what actually happened.
Sure the movie could have moved forward without the scene and got to the same ending, that doesn't make the scene a pointless waste of time. Every scene of the two characters together from the moment they walk past each other was building up to that. The point was to have a moment where each character chooses to take a clear stand in defiance of the other after a period of the two of them exploring their unusual kinship.
Needed or not, to suggest that it was an excuse for a 'martial arts' sequence is quite a stretch.
Was the fight with the android in the med bay in the original Alien an excuse for a wrestling esque fight scene that had no place in an alien movie? No... its just a conflict between two characters that didn't involve an acid blooded alien or an assault rifle. I will admit, it would have been cooler if Walter and David just started tearing each other apart with white tubes and fluid flying everywhere...
The fight with Ash is (while a bit weird... why is he trying to kill her with a magazine) very much in line with the rest of the movie; people scratch, claw and hit with whatever loose objects they can find. It is a dirty and inelegant fight.
David vs Walter is a generic, slick, 21st century hollywood fight scene that I think is totally out of place for the alien universe.
Would have preferred the confrontation to be less human and less action movie.
I actually think this movie is worse than prometheus although I'll agree nobody was quite as dumb as the biologist in this movie (I read somewhere that there was a deleted scene where he had previously interacted with a smaller version of this thing which was why he was so at ease but duno if that's true).
I've been thinking some more about it lately and realized that it's a similar problem to what i have with the sc1 vs sc2 storylines.
In sc1 (or the original alien franchise) you have a fairly basic but effective story (and a fairly basic game). Sc2 (or prometheus+) introduces all these high flying themes of gods and creation... and I just think it feels like innovation for the sake of innovation?
To be honest I quite like that type of story, I just wish they hadn't shoehorned it into an alien movie... and I think that's why I ultimately have less of a problem with prometheus than covenant, because prometheus is barely an alien movie at all.
Anyhow, I get they can't just remake alien and expect it to be as good (btw rewatched alien and aliens this week... alien slightly more dated than I remembered but still really good, aliens is just genre perfection - has not aged at all).
I think I would have less of a problem with the movie if the alien films didnt exist.
When they find the Space Jockey in the ship in Alien1 isnt it implied they're using the Aliens as weapons they just happend to get loose and kill him?
On May 28 2017 11:57 imJealous wrote: Obviously this movie is nowhere near the quality of the first two masterpiece films sadly, but I do think it is the best of the rest of the trash...
It may not be as scary as Alien 3 managed to be despite its awful plot and actors, or full of as much fan service bullshit as Alien Resurrection, AVP, and AVPR, but its characters (as fucking dumb as they are) aren't nearly as stupid as any of the characters in any of the other post 1986 films, including Prometheus (cave expert gets lost in caves, alien animal expert pets hostile alien animal, every action and decision that Charlize Theron's character makes throughout the film, David's decision to contaminate Holloway that makes no sense until we learn more about David's character in Covenant... ).
I could have done with out the two "ambush them while they are showering/cleaning themselves up" scenes (twice in the same movie?! Seriously?) and the whole final sequence on the main ship was just an under developed excuse to follow the traditions of 'surprise its not over when you get to the ship' and 'alien gets blown out into space'... But the scenes with the proto aliens were great in this movie, as was the battle with the true xenomorph on the cargo lifter at the climax.
David makes a fantastically unsettling antagonist, and the ending situation was a wonderful change of pace for the series. All the god/creation stuff may feel out of place compared to the original two masterpieces, but its clear now that it all exists in this part of the series to develop David as a character.
Again, I don't think this movie deserves any awards, but I feel like this Prometheus arc within the franchise now has an interesting enough story going with David that they have my interest now and I am eager to see where they go with it. I feel like a lot of the criticisms people are making will fade in time as the initial let down wears off and people start taking the film for what it is rather than what it could have been, just as people have done with Prometheus now that its been out for a few years. I still feel like the original two movies are best experienced as a stand alone, considering the events of all the other movies an 'alternate universe' created just as an excuse to have more movies... but this 'Story of David' Ridley Scott has managed to scrape together has an appeal on its own... completely separate (and on a much MUCH lower pedestal) from the glory of the originals.
On May 10 2017 10:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Also there's a completely unnecessary martial arts esque fight scene. Who wants this in an alien movie? Please tell me.
Come on man... the confrontation between Good Fassbender and Evil Fassbender? This is a pretty big distortion of what actually happened.
Sure the movie could have moved forward without the scene and got to the same ending, that doesn't make the scene a pointless waste of time. Every scene of the two characters together from the moment they walk past each other was building up to that. The point was to have a moment where each character chooses to take a clear stand in defiance of the other after a period of the two of them exploring their unusual kinship.
Needed or not, to suggest that it was an excuse for a 'martial arts' sequence is quite a stretch.
Was the fight with the android in the med bay in the original Alien an excuse for a wrestling esque fight scene that had no place in an alien movie? No... its just a conflict between two characters that didn't involve an acid blooded alien or an assault rifle. I will admit, it would have been cooler if Walter and David just started tearing each other apart with white tubes and fluid flying everywhere...
The fight with Ash is (while a bit weird... why is he trying to kill her with a magazine) very much in line with the rest of the movie; people scratch, claw and hit with whatever loose objects they can find. It is a dirty and inelegant fight.
David vs Walter is a generic, slick, 21st century hollywood fight scene that I think is totally out of place for the alien universe.
Would have preferred the confrontation to be less human and less action movie.
I actually think this movie is worse than prometheus although I'll agree nobody was quite as dumb as the biologist in this movie (I read somewhere that there was a deleted scene where he had previously interacted with a smaller version of this thing which was why he was so at ease but duno if that's true).
I've been thinking some more about it lately and realized that it's a similar problem to what i have with the sc1 vs sc2 storylines.
In sc1 (or the original alien franchise) you have a fairly basic but effective story (and a fairly basic game). Sc2 (or prometheus+) introduces all these high flying themes of gods and creation... and I just think it feels like innovation for the sake of innovation?
To be honest I quite like that type of story, I just wish they hadn't shoehorned it into an alien movie... and I think that's why I ultimately have less of a problem with prometheus than covenant, because prometheus is barely an alien movie at all.
Anyhow, I get they can't just remake alien and expect it to be as good (btw rewatched alien and aliens this week... alien slightly more dated than I remembered but still really good, aliens is just genre perfection - has not aged at all).
I think I would have less of a problem with the movie if the alien films didnt exist.
When they find the Space Jockey in the ship in Alien1 isnt it implied they're using the Aliens as weapons they just happend to get loose and kill him?
Not that I can recall, why?
I actually had a valid point that i cant remember i apologize
Did watch Alien 1/2/4 today definitely say 4 was a lot worse than i remember, like holy shit was it bad
On May 28 2017 11:57 imJealous wrote: Obviously this movie is nowhere near the quality of the first two masterpiece films sadly, but I do think it is the best of the rest of the trash...
It may not be as scary as Alien 3 managed to be despite its awful plot and actors, or full of as much fan service bullshit as Alien Resurrection, AVP, and AVPR, but its characters (as fucking dumb as they are) aren't nearly as stupid as any of the characters in any of the other post 1986 films, including Prometheus (cave expert gets lost in caves, alien animal expert pets hostile alien animal, every action and decision that Charlize Theron's character makes throughout the film, David's decision to contaminate Holloway that makes no sense until we learn more about David's character in Covenant... ).
I could have done with out the two "ambush them while they are showering/cleaning themselves up" scenes (twice in the same movie?! Seriously?) and the whole final sequence on the main ship was just an under developed excuse to follow the traditions of 'surprise its not over when you get to the ship' and 'alien gets blown out into space'... But the scenes with the proto aliens were great in this movie, as was the battle with the true xenomorph on the cargo lifter at the climax.
David makes a fantastically unsettling antagonist, and the ending situation was a wonderful change of pace for the series. All the god/creation stuff may feel out of place compared to the original two masterpieces, but its clear now that it all exists in this part of the series to develop David as a character.
Again, I don't think this movie deserves any awards, but I feel like this Prometheus arc within the franchise now has an interesting enough story going with David that they have my interest now and I am eager to see where they go with it. I feel like a lot of the criticisms people are making will fade in time as the initial let down wears off and people start taking the film for what it is rather than what it could have been, just as people have done with Prometheus now that its been out for a few years. I still feel like the original two movies are best experienced as a stand alone, considering the events of all the other movies an 'alternate universe' created just as an excuse to have more movies... but this 'Story of David' Ridley Scott has managed to scrape together has an appeal on its own... completely separate (and on a much MUCH lower pedestal) from the glory of the originals.
On May 10 2017 10:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Also there's a completely unnecessary martial arts esque fight scene. Who wants this in an alien movie? Please tell me.
Come on man... the confrontation between Good Fassbender and Evil Fassbender? This is a pretty big distortion of what actually happened.
Sure the movie could have moved forward without the scene and got to the same ending, that doesn't make the scene a pointless waste of time. Every scene of the two characters together from the moment they walk past each other was building up to that. The point was to have a moment where each character chooses to take a clear stand in defiance of the other after a period of the two of them exploring their unusual kinship.
Needed or not, to suggest that it was an excuse for a 'martial arts' sequence is quite a stretch.
Was the fight with the android in the med bay in the original Alien an excuse for a wrestling esque fight scene that had no place in an alien movie? No... its just a conflict between two characters that didn't involve an acid blooded alien or an assault rifle. I will admit, it would have been cooler if Walter and David just started tearing each other apart with white tubes and fluid flying everywhere...
The fight with Ash is (while a bit weird... why is he trying to kill her with a magazine) very much in line with the rest of the movie; people scratch, claw and hit with whatever loose objects they can find. It is a dirty and inelegant fight.
David vs Walter is a generic, slick, 21st century hollywood fight scene that I think is totally out of place for the alien universe.
Would have preferred the confrontation to be less human and less action movie.
I actually think this movie is worse than prometheus although I'll agree nobody was quite as dumb as the biologist in this movie (I read somewhere that there was a deleted scene where he had previously interacted with a smaller version of this thing which was why he was so at ease but duno if that's true).
I've been thinking some more about it lately and realized that it's a similar problem to what i have with the sc1 vs sc2 storylines.
In sc1 (or the original alien franchise) you have a fairly basic but effective story (and a fairly basic game). Sc2 (or prometheus+) introduces all these high flying themes of gods and creation... and I just think it feels like innovation for the sake of innovation?
To be honest I quite like that type of story, I just wish they hadn't shoehorned it into an alien movie... and I think that's why I ultimately have less of a problem with prometheus than covenant, because prometheus is barely an alien movie at all.
Anyhow, I get they can't just remake alien and expect it to be as good (btw rewatched alien and aliens this week... alien slightly more dated than I remembered but still really good, aliens is just genre perfection - has not aged at all).
I think I would have less of a problem with the movie if the alien films didnt exist.
When they find the Space Jockey in the ship in Alien1 isnt it implied they're using the Aliens as weapons they just happend to get loose and kill him?
Not that I can recall, why?
I actually had a valid point that i cant remember i apologize
Did watch Alien 1/2/4 today definitely say 4 was a lot worse than i remember, like holy shit was it bad
I'm looking forward to getting to #4... :D First up is #3 tho.
On May 29 2017 14:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I think I would have less of a problem with the movie if the alien films didnt exist..
Yeah, this is really key to explaining how I feel about this movie. As a continuation of the original two films, I can't stand it. But judged completely on its own, I feel like its ok enough to be worth watching... and I would like to see a third film focused on David to wrap up his story.