So they ruled intent but only gave 10 seconds, Vettel really got lucky there.
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sneirac
Germany3463 Posts
So they ruled intent but only gave 10 seconds, Vettel really got lucky there. | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30538 Posts
Vettel also gets 3 penalty points on his license for his dumb move. Really blows my mind how a 4 time champion gets heated like that. Vettel also seems to be acting as if he never hit Hamilton which is a freakin joke https://streamable.com/ji01k Not sure what to think about Hamiltons brake check. Not a great thing to do either. | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3673 Posts
On June 26 2017 01:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Crazy race. Amazing how absolutely terrible Baku was with dealing with some debris but it made for an interesting spectacle in the end. Vettel also gets 3 penalty points on his license for his dumb move. Really blows my mind how a 4 time champion gets heated like that. Vettel also seems to be acting as if he never hit Hamilton which is a freakin joke https://streamable.com/ji01k Not sure what to think about Hamiltons brake check. Not a great thing to do either. Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend. Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On June 26 2017 05:50 Zaros wrote: https://twitter.com/NobleF1/status/879046736622354432 Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend. Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban. The FIA is known to give their stars a lot of leeway. Honestly, as much as I dislike Vettel, I'm not sure the FIA would have said 'it wasn't a break test' if Hamilton wasn't a superstar of racing. The same goes for Vettel. He surely wouldn't have gotten of this lightly if he was someone like Vandoorne or Palmer. | ||
Oleo
Netherlands276 Posts
On June 26 2017 05:50 Zaros wrote: Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend. Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban. Luckily theres cameras and anyone with eyes can see what actually happened, disproving FIA's mercedes protecting bullshit. Onboard shows Vettel not accelerating, driving at around equal speed to Hamilton going into the corner and suddenly slamming into the back of Hamilton after actually slowing down by 15 kph. FIA and Hamilton (Bottas should slow down and give up his podium for me) are a sad joke. Bottas rams Raikkonen into the wall like a torpedo, no action as well. lol | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3673 Posts
On June 28 2017 04:24 Oleo wrote: Luckily theres cameras and anyone with eyes can see what actually happened, disproving FIA's mercedes protecting bullshit. Onboard shows Vettel not accelerating, driving at around equal speed to Hamilton going into the corner and suddenly slamming into the back of Hamilton after actually slowing down by 15 kph. FIA and Hamilton (Bottas should slow down and give up his podium for me) are a sad joke. Bottas rams Raikkonen into the wall like a torpedo, no action as well. lol K makeup your own story against all the evidence, meanwhile | ||
Oleo
Netherlands276 Posts
Here you can see Vettel not accelerating, Hamilton slowing down at and after the apex. Speed around apex ± 75 kph, while gap stays roughly the same, all of a sudden gap shrinks and speed goes down after Hamilton hits apex. People will say, onscreen telemetry is delayed a lot, but if you use eyes and ears you ll noticed thats not really the case here. Then there is the claim that Hamilton did the same thing the first restart, formula1.com / fia tries to show this but fails to sync up the video here @0.48: https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2017/6/Vettel_vs_Hamilton__their_controversial_Baku_clash_examined.html You will see that first time Hamilton slows down before the apex (normal behaviour) and second time at/after the apex (could be considered erratic behaviour punishable under sporting regulations 39.13, since people tend to accelerate after a sharp corner and not slow down). You will think Vettel left a bigger gap the first time around as FIA mentions and tries to show in video, but actually the video isnt properly synced, the gap is pretty much the same when Vettel reaches the corner both times (a few seconds later on the left screen). The difference is first time Hamilton is already driving slowly, second time he slows down dangerously causing a collision, cause the gap is too small for reacting to such counterintuitive maneuver (slowing down after a cornerapex) and he forces the car behind him to brake in the apex on the kerbs. Fia / formula1 is distorting the evidence in favor of Hamilton quite obviously. Still doesnt make Vettels action afterwards right. Hamilton should have had a 5 or 10 sec time penalty though (not the stop and go variation). | ||
Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On June 28 2017 06:32 Oleo wrote: Or you can just watch and analyse the available video instead of reading twitter and press releases. Here you can see Vettel not accelerating, Hamilton slowing down at and after the apex. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RYl7xJe1gc Speed around apex ± 75 kph, while gap stays roughly the same, all of a sudden gap shrinks and speed goes down after Hamilton hits apex. People will say, onscreen telemetry is delayed a lot, but if you use eyes and ears you ll noticed thats not really the case here. Then there is the claim that Hamilton did the same thing the first restart, formula1.com / fia tries to show this but fails to sync up the video here @0.48: https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2017/6/Vettel_vs_Hamilton__their_controversial_Baku_clash_examined.html You will see that first time Hamilton slows down before the apex (normal behaviour) and second time at/after the apex (could be considered erratic behaviour punishable under sporting regulations 39.13, since people tend to accelerate after a sharp corner and not slow down). You will think Vettel left a bigger gap the first time around as FIA mentions and tries to show in video, but actually the video isnt properly synced, the gap is pretty much the same when Vettel reaches the corner both times (a few seconds later on the left screen). The difference is first time Hamilton is already driving slowly, second time he slows down dangerously causing a collision, cause the gap is too small for reacting to such counterintuitive maneuver (slowing down after a cornerapex) and he forces the car behind him to brake in the apex on the kerbs. Fia / formula1 is distorting the evidence in favor of Hamilton quite obviously. Still doesnt make Vettels action afterwards right. Hamilton should have had a 5 or 10 sec time penalty though (not the stop and go variation). This is bullshit man, Hamilton controls the pace as he's the race leader and the safety car lights are off and yes, he does slow down a little bit (although it was not a brake test at all), but Vettel is just trying to stay too close and is already accelerating to be as close as possible. It's not Hamilton's problem Vettel is taking too much risk and is caught out not paying attention. Hamilton is in no way to blame here and Vettel should have gotten a DSQ for his behavior. I find it ridiculous he got away with it with a 10 sec stop 'n go (at least seems like that atm). And I'm not even a Hamilton fan, in fact I kinda hate the guy. Have to say I respect him a lot more after this incident though, as he stayed so calm. I used to like Vettel a lot better, but after this race he def lost quite a bit of my respect. | ||
RowdierBob
Australia12660 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/6jx42v/vettel_hamilton_incident_data_also_with_other/ Let's move on to Austria. | ||
Greg_J
China4408 Posts
edit: You have to be litterally blind in many senses of the word to give blame to Hamiliton for Vettel driving into the back of him. Behind the safety car not moving fast Vettel doesn't have quick enough reactions to Hamiliton doing exactly the same thing he did previously and then to react like that too. Crazy. I like Vettel, he's normally pretty funny. But there is no way of defending his actions this week. He made a mistake, can't accept it, blamed Hamiliton who basically didn't do anything (the mildest braking exiting the corner to build a gap to the safety car) and just lost his shit. He's a seriously lucky man. Hamiliton is also prone to losing his cool when things don't go well for him. I guess it's quite common for race drivers. | ||
Poly_Optimize
Canada155 Posts
This season is the best so far since years. There is finally a war at the front between two teams instead of two teammates. The battle for 3rd best team can also be argued.. Williams and Force India did great job and they can compete with Red Bulls. I can't wait for the next race. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
Also interesting that the stewards missed the jumpstart of Bottas. As a normal spectator I thought too, that he did a correct start but with the pictures emerging now from his cockpit in super slowmo or the pictures which are stopping the frames the moment he starts to roll compared to when the lights go out it becomes clear that it wasn't a correct start. As a spectator this can happen but the stewards looked at the pictures for half the race. They should have the technology to see it. | ||
sneirac
Germany3463 Posts
On July 10 2017 01:29 TheNewEra wrote: Puuuuh pretty boring race up until the last few laps. Complete opposite of Baku were everyone predicted it would get boring. This time it was predicted to become a fun raceday and it was just meh. Also interesting that the stewards missed the jumpstart of Bottas. As a normal spectator I thought too, that he did a correct start but with the pictures emerging now from his cockpit in super slowmo or the pictures which are stopping the frames the moment he starts to roll compared to when the lights go out it becomes clear that it wasn't a correct start. As a spectator this can happen but the stewards looked at the pictures for half the race. They should have the technology to see it. They (allegedly) didn't miss it. Jumpstart is detected by sensors in the ground and those showed a reaction time of 201ms. As to why this apparently conflicts with the onboard camera the two theories I read are a) the quality/format of the onboard cameras b) allowable movement in the start box that doesnt trigger the sensor. Unless FIA releases more data/specifics on how and why we probably wont know for sure | ||
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Icysoul
Canada254 Posts
For VET, the front left tire was simply at the end of its life span. Something went wrong in the tire degradation calculations. Probably a combination of abrasive track, scattered debris from earlier incidents, pushing hard during the race, that massive lockup when VET was under pressure from BOT and maybe car/aero setup they were running. When the tires are that worn, they lose large amounts of grip and in turn speed, which we saw from his lap times. Puncture was only a matter of time. The team, if they were observant, should have saw it coming and may have underestimated tire wear. For RAI, it was probably a bit of bad luck. The tires weren't punctured as tire pressure were still there, but the threads were unwinding, usually resulting from the tires being worn down in a specific pattern. | ||
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