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On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? X is not a problem because Y was a problem in the past. Great argument, mate.
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On July 13 2018 20:10 geokilla wrote: Reymor reminds me so much of Life omg He is very similar. What I like from Reynor is that he techs up really well. Sometimes I felt life just tried to win purely on ling roach (which he did very often), and maybe that's because he was just too good to need to tech. But Reynor plays tech focused very well and throughout that he's makes great use of lings from start to finish.
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Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row.
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On July 13 2018 20:13 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other.
Again, of course the lategame is unwinnable if you use your tech labs for marauders against broods.
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On July 13 2018 20:12 raff100 wrote: Game 1 was really overhyped by the casters, but Special didn't ever outplay Reynor who was always high on minerals\gas Game 2 was just a stomp
Wow i think completely different: Game 1 was an awesome game with a crazy lot of multitasking on both sides. I think just the unit combination of special made him lose. Or he should have dropped more with marines marauders in the lategame.
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On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.
He may have killed drones, but he didn't enough scvs in the meanwhile. Reynor during those attacks was still ahead in workers, he just used that early economic lead to stomp him in late game.
Casters just overhyped those attacks that didn't do enough (or Special didn't macro enough behind).
Game 2 has just been a stomp as well. Reynor has always been in control.
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On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts.
He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were.
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row.
Gotta admire Terrans, they're staying on brand. LOL
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row.
"One player is doing well so everything is fine"
This logic is so bad.
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On July 13 2018 20:15 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were. Good ghost control can burn through a bank like that faster than you'd think.
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On July 13 2018 20:16 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. "One player is doing well so everything is fine" This logic is so bad. 4 terrans ro8 Last gsl.
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:13 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other. Again, of course the lategame is unwinnable if you use your tech labs for marauders against broods. You think I'm basing my points of one game? Terran barely win lategame ZvT since the raven nerf. That's why I said SpeCial would lose any game past 15 minutes.
I'm not sure if it's worse or better than when zergs couldn't beat mass raven to be honest (balance wise), gods like Dark still won some lategames on that patch.
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SpeCial could have killed all those drones...
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On July 13 2018 20:17 MarthTV wrote: SpeCial could have killed all those drones... But is Terran getting buffed then? I don't think so!
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On July 13 2018 20:15 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were.
I must have imagined that point in the game when they had equal banks and where both on 200 supply
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On July 13 2018 20:13 Kommander wrote:See the thing with your logic is, back then it was imbalanced, but now it's not.
Factually incorrect; the first few months of the year were so far the most balanced for TvZ, winrate wise. After that, it's been more Zerg favored.
http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. No one's saying it's impossible to win with terran. The discussion is quite clearly focused on lategame TvZ. Of which Maru didn't exactly dominate in his recent GSL win.
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Special chiseling Reynor, but he macros so well during all the harassment.
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On July 13 2018 20:18 Vedeynevin wrote:
I must have imagined that point in the game when they had equal banks and where both on 200 supply
I was watching Reynors bank, and he was far ahead when they maxed out.
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Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. Bear that in mind before whining during the late game ;p
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