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hype! hard ro16 for Reynor, but make sense.. he has the 0 WCS points. will be sad whoever will fall between him and Special
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Aibht Scarlett, it's 3"00 AM here in Alberta. You got this. Crush this false god so I can sleep .
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Wait, am I seeing things right that Special is #2 in WCS ranking and his ro8 opponent will be serral, aka #1?
€: Oh, I forgot he was second in his group.
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Go go Serral! I know we're supposed to get hyped again but he will just lose 1-3 maps in this event.
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Serral plays ZvP like this. With roach/ravager/hydra multi pronged attacks.
How does he play ZvT? Is it the same?
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such a blemish on Serral's legacy that he hasn't swept a finals yet -_-;
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On July 13 2018 18:17 Mozdk wrote: Serral plays ZvP like this. With roach/ravager/hydra multi pronged attacks.
How does he play ZvT? Is it the same? The way you are supposed to: ling bane hydra into hive
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On July 13 2018 18:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:17 Mozdk wrote: Serral plays ZvP like this. With roach/ravager/hydra multi pronged attacks.
How does he play ZvT? Is it the same? The way you are supposed to: ling bane hydra into hive
Well you are not supposed to play ZvP like he does. So he might play differently in ZvT too. I haven't really paid attention to that MU.
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On July 13 2018 18:22 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:20 Ej_ wrote:On July 13 2018 18:17 Mozdk wrote: Serral plays ZvP like this. With roach/ravager/hydra multi pronged attacks.
How does he play ZvT? Is it the same? The way you are supposed to: ling bane hydra into hive Well you are not supposed to play ZvP like he does. So he might play differently in ZvT too. I haven't really paid attention to that MU. He plays normal ZvP, I think you've seen too few and too specific games :D
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lol what was this second game
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On July 13 2018 18:25 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:22 Mozdk wrote:On July 13 2018 18:20 Ej_ wrote:On July 13 2018 18:17 Mozdk wrote: Serral plays ZvP like this. With roach/ravager/hydra multi pronged attacks.
How does he play ZvT? Is it the same? The way you are supposed to: ling bane hydra into hive Well you are not supposed to play ZvP like he does. So he might play differently in ZvT too. I haven't really paid attention to that MU. He plays normal ZvP, I think you've seen too few and too specific games :D
I watch all protoss games in the big tourneys. No one does what he does. They build the same units, but they don't do what he does.
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I never thought saying that but that was terrible by serral.
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Took 2 tries for Serral tot ype gg, because he doesn't do it very often.
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serral can bleed
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And this is why you dont play redshit :D
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Secret tactics from China :O?
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One more one more oasdajskdhasl
*A BREAK UGH
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Would be disappointing if Serral only managed top16.
Scarlett is so funny, she can lose to random foreigners but also beat top ones. Is she the new HotS Snute, except for foreigners instead of koreans?
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If Serral loses here he's gonna kill it at GSL vs the world. If he wins then I don't like his odds as much
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On July 13 2018 18:03 TheDougler wrote:Aibht Scarlett, it's 3"00 AM here in Alberta. You got this. Crush this false god so I can sleep . Yeah seriously...and then I can wake up for Has :D.
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On July 13 2018 18:39 Fango wrote: If Serral loses here he's gonna kill it at GSL vs the world. If he wins then I don't like his odds as much
Winning causes losing and losing causes winning?
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When I saw the bracket, I knew Scarlett had a good chance to knock off Serral. Her unpredictable ZvZ style is the kind that gives a standard ZvZer like Serral fits. And people forget that she 3-1'ed him at IEM Pyeongchang.
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On July 13 2018 18:40 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:39 Fango wrote: If Serral loses here he's gonna kill it at GSL vs the world. If he wins then I don't like his odds as much Winning causes losing and losing causes winning? Indeed
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If Scarlett takes this, she completely opens up the tournament.
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I mean Scarlett winning this would be good for every non zerg Player in this Tournament right?
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Serral had like 10 red roaches for a long time. I thought she had held for the first minute.
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Serral is so fucking good wow
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Burrowed ling for nydus vision O.O
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Oh my god, that game was just genius from Serral
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On July 13 2018 18:46 darklycid wrote: I mean Scarlett winning this would be good for every non zerg Player in this Tournament right? Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol
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Was Scarlett's target firing a bit off or do mutas just suck against roaches?
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On July 13 2018 18:51 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:46 darklycid wrote: I mean Scarlett winning this would be good for every non zerg Player in this Tournament right? Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol Not for serral!
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That strategy from Serral was amazing. Armor really helped against the mutas as well. Sick series!
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On July 13 2018 18:51 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:46 darklycid wrote: I mean Scarlett winning this would be good for every non zerg Player in this Tournament right? Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol I mean if she Beats Serral her zvz seems to be good.
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On July 13 2018 18:52 Fango wrote: Was Scarlett's target firing a bit off or do mutas just suck against roaches?
A little column a, a little column b. He also had carapace, and armor upgrades are really good against mutas.
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On July 13 2018 18:52 Fango wrote: Was Scarlett's target firing a bit off or do mutas just suck against roaches?
I think the +1 carapace really helped. Mutas didn't have enough DPS to kill the roaches fast enough.
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On July 13 2018 18:54 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 18:51 Ej_ wrote:On July 13 2018 18:46 darklycid wrote: I mean Scarlett winning this would be good for every non zerg Player in this Tournament right? Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol I mean if she Beats Serral her zvz seems to be good. She's beaten Serral before but ZvZ has always been a massive inconsistancy.
Whereas Serral is almost always the best in the matchup (in wcs at least)
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10 workers behind. She needs to kill that 3rd I think.
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On July 13 2018 18:58 Inflicted wrote: Download completed Someone superimpose Serral's face on that M2K picture in Burger King crown.
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Welp I was thinking heromarine or uthermal could win WCS for a second but I guess we're through with that idea
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This makes the tournament less exciting though.
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That was a rough supply block, rip
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On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I
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This makes the tournament less exciting though.
it's down to praying for Serral vs Neeb
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Hey, at least Scarlett made Serral work for it.
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On July 13 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I
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This makes the tournament less exciting though. it's down to praying for Serral vs Neeb
You don't believe in Has cannon rushing 7 times?
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On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I
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This makes the tournament less exciting though. I'd expect Serral vs Special/Reynor and the potential finals to be pretty exciting regardless.
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On July 13 2018 19:01 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote:On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I
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This makes the tournament less exciting though. it's down to praying for Serral vs Neeb You don't believe in Has cannon rushing 7 times?
The dankest timeline
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On July 13 2018 19:01 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote:On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I
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This makes the tournament less exciting though. it's down to praying for Serral vs Neeb You don't believe in Has cannon rushing 7 times? 7 times vs Kelazhur, maybe.
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I can finally unclench.
The king is still alive.
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On July 13 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I
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This makes the tournament less exciting though. it's down to praying for Serral vs Neeb Can Neeb finally play a decent tournament in 2018?
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On July 13 2018 19:04 Keeemy wrote:I can finally unclench. The king is still alive.
Of course he's still alive, he's probably practicing in the JinAir teamhouse right now
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Ahh tough loss. Good series though. "What can you do, sometimes you lose". Well said, Serral, well said.
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Serral is so superior atm that dropping 2 maps looks like a loss
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On July 13 2018 19:07 raff100 wrote: Serral is so superior atm that dropping 2 maps looks like a loss
To me, the fact that he was able to recover and come back from being nearly eliminated says a lot about his class and caliber as a player, more so than if he just won by sweep.
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On July 13 2018 19:07 raff100 wrote: Serral is so superior atm that dropping 2 maps looks like a loss Finnish flags at half-mast over here
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Great fight from Scarlett but glad Serral was able to pull through. Tomorrow's big viewing party would be a bit lame otherwise.
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On July 13 2018 19:09 rotta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:07 raff100 wrote: Serral is so superior atm that dropping 2 maps looks like a loss Finnish flags at half-mast over here WE need a tipsy santa wobbling around pic
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Let's see if Reynor has improved enough to take down Major. It would be insane
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I'm a pretty casual watcher that watches on occasion and just showed up now...
So, I take it 'one of these matches isn't like the other'. I've come in at a good time, haven't I?
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On July 13 2018 19:07 rotta wrote: Let's go Serral vs. Has! You mean Serral and Has will meet in final,dude? I think Has will go to Ro4 if he is lucky enough,but not final.
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On July 13 2018 19:14 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: I'm a pretty casual watcher that watches on occasion and just showed up now...
So, I take it 'one of these matches isn't like the other'. I've come in at a good time, haven't I? TvZ has generally been the best match-up, and now we have the best foreign Terran vs the hottest upcoming Zerg who just turned 16 and is eligible to participate in the WCS for the first time.
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I'm excited to see some 40 minute games -_-;
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On July 13 2018 19:19 Waxangel wrote: I'm excited to see some 40 minute games -_-; I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it
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On July 13 2018 19:22 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:19 Waxangel wrote: I'm excited to see some 40 minute games -_-; I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it
don't have to win to take it 40 minutes
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On July 13 2018 19:22 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:19 Waxangel wrote: I'm excited to see some 40 minute games -_-; I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it Yeah but he's only playing Reynor so it's ok.
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On July 13 2018 19:23 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:22 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 19:19 Waxangel wrote: I'm excited to see some 40 minute games -_-; I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it don't have to win to take it 40 minutes Need to not lose between minutes 15 and 39 for it to reach 40 though.
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Does Special have a shot against Reynor?
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On July 13 2018 19:25 Poopi wrote: Does Special have a shot against Reynor? Yes.
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On July 13 2018 19:17 RealityTheGreat wrote:You mean Serral and Has will meet in final,dude? That's the dream.
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Smartest Terran player is Neeb
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On July 13 2018 19:28 Inflicted wrote: Smartest Terran player is Neeb Um, Classic?
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not convinced by Specials opening with so many hellions and delayed 3rd and double ebay for this map but in the midgame he's looking really solid. Good multitasking and micro. This might just be a way more interesting series than I thought it could be at first (I hate mech vZ)
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Well this is an entertaining start to the series
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Special looking like Maru jeez
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Nice Snipe on the Ghost from Reynor
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Not every day I see remote detonated banes stopping a nuke
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If Special maintains this level of play, Serral vs Special is going to be sick.
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I think most Zergs would already dead against this :D
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Raynor is super cost efficient wtf
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I have no idea how Reynor has put himself in a solid position
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I don't think special made enough ghosts
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On July 13 2018 19:42 Kommander wrote: Special looking like Maru jeez
He's going to lose in the end, so more like TY
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This game was over as soon as zerg got hive units.
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Don't lategame as terran now that ravens ain't op anymore guys
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I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special...
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On July 13 2018 19:50 Inflicted wrote:He's going to lose in the end, so more like TY He's playing against Life after all.
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On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't.
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On July 13 2018 19:51 Poopi wrote: Don't lategame as terran if you're not Maru
Fixed that for you
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On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special...
There was one point where they had both maxed and had equal banks, but it has been all Reynor from that point
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man, Raynor is gifted as hell wow
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On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't.
He never had more then a couple ghosts at a time. I think he kept making too much marine marauder and should have made more ghosts
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On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't.
Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead
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On July 13 2018 19:53 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:51 Poopi wrote: Don't lategame as terran if you're not Maru Fixed that for you Even Maru avoids lategame TvZ since the raven nerf. He's just good enough to reliably end his games with marines and tanks.
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On July 13 2018 19:57 QzYSc2 wrote: insert zerg balance rant Fucking Bugs man.
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such a bummer having reynor, special, scarlett and serral in one bracket. Worst scenario possible ...
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On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran.
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On July 13 2018 19:57 darklycid wrote:Fucking Bugs man. Tyrranids Go Home
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On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote:On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran. It's a good spot if you're playing defensive and amassing ghosts. It's not as good if you make marauders against brood lords though.
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On July 13 2018 19:57 darklycid wrote:Fucking Bugs man. =)) best comment so far.
Rly currious how special/reynor will do against serral
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That was the most depressing game I've ever watched. It's so demoralising to know that you can kill 8 bases while taking zero damage and still be behind when going into the lategame.
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Wait, WHAT? I had to brb. Reynor won that shit? Was it an amove where we vastly underestimated him, or a huge comeback? This just started so it must have gone on for much longer - must have been an epic comeback, right?
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On July 13 2018 20:01 RaZorwire wrote: That was the most depressing game I've ever watched. It's so demoralising to know that you can kill 8 bases while taking zero damage and still be behind when going into the lategame.
Hatcheries are cheap. The drones always lived. He never did that much damage. He was never really ahead. He went into the late game on even footing because he had a good eco, but then he kept making marine marauder instead of ghosts. You don't kill broods without ghosts.
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On July 13 2018 20:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote:On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran. It's a good spot if you're playing defensive and amassing ghosts. It's not as good if you make marauders against brood lords though.
Thank you
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On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote:On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran.
I meant, before the late game and during all the early and mid game Reynor has always been economically ahead, with more workers and despite the harrassment. I just mean that Special didn't deal enough damage with his early attacks, or Reynor just managed to keep his cool and got a better macro anyway.
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On July 13 2018 20:02 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: Wait, WHAT? I had to brb. Reynor won that shit? Was it an amove where we vastly underestimated him, or a huge comeback? This just started so it must have gone on for much longer - must have been an epic comeback, right?
He was never really behind, no need for an epic comeback
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That was awful CC placement by special.
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On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead.
I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map.
This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.
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Watching the mini-map when Reynor bounces back and fourth his ling harass on the third is a thing of beauty.
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Reynor is so relentless with his agression. Its amazing to watch
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Reymor reminds me so much of Life omg
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lol Game over man, game over!
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On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.
As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs?
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Not so bad Reynor... National proud Riccardino!
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Game 1 was really overhyped by the casters, but Special didn't ever outplay Reynor who was always high on minerals\gas Game 2 was just a stomp
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On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.
Lol, Reynor had a solid worker lead until he hit 80 drones. Just because the terran attacks in several locations doesn't entitle them to the lead. Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He kept making marine marauder, so of course he lost to broods. The matchup is fine, the only disgusting thing right now is your bias
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On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs?
"It's ok that the game is imbalanced, because it was previously imbalanced in a different direction".
God, I hate that logic.
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On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other.
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On July 13 2018 20:12 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? "It's ok that the game is imbalanced, because it was previously imbalanced in a different direction". God, I hate that logic.
See the thing with your logic is, back then it was imbalanced, but now it's not.
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On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? X is not a problem because Y was a problem in the past. Great argument, mate.
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On July 13 2018 20:10 geokilla wrote: Reymor reminds me so much of Life omg He is very similar. What I like from Reynor is that he techs up really well. Sometimes I felt life just tried to win purely on ling roach (which he did very often), and maybe that's because he was just too good to need to tech. But Reynor plays tech focused very well and throughout that he's makes great use of lings from start to finish.
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Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row.
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On July 13 2018 20:13 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other.
Again, of course the lategame is unwinnable if you use your tech labs for marauders against broods.
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On July 13 2018 20:12 raff100 wrote: Game 1 was really overhyped by the casters, but Special didn't ever outplay Reynor who was always high on minerals\gas Game 2 was just a stomp
Wow i think completely different: Game 1 was an awesome game with a crazy lot of multitasking on both sides. I think just the unit combination of special made him lose. Or he should have dropped more with marines marauders in the lategame.
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On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.
He may have killed drones, but he didn't enough scvs in the meanwhile. Reynor during those attacks was still ahead in workers, he just used that early economic lead to stomp him in late game.
Casters just overhyped those attacks that didn't do enough (or Special didn't macro enough behind).
Game 2 has just been a stomp as well. Reynor has always been in control.
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On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts.
He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were.
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row.
Gotta admire Terrans, they're staying on brand. LOL
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row.
"One player is doing well so everything is fine"
This logic is so bad.
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On July 13 2018 20:15 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were. Good ghost control can burn through a bank like that faster than you'd think.
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On July 13 2018 20:16 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. "One player is doing well so everything is fine" This logic is so bad. 4 terrans ro8 Last gsl.
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:13 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other. Again, of course the lategame is unwinnable if you use your tech labs for marauders against broods. You think I'm basing my points of one game? Terran barely win lategame ZvT since the raven nerf. That's why I said SpeCial would lose any game past 15 minutes.
I'm not sure if it's worse or better than when zergs couldn't beat mass raven to be honest (balance wise), gods like Dark still won some lategames on that patch.
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SpeCial could have killed all those drones...
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On July 13 2018 20:17 MarthTV wrote: SpeCial could have killed all those drones... But is Terran getting buffed then? I don't think so!
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On July 13 2018 20:15 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were.
I must have imagined that point in the game when they had equal banks and where both on 200 supply
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On July 13 2018 20:13 Kommander wrote:See the thing with your logic is, back then it was imbalanced, but now it's not.
Factually incorrect; the first few months of the year were so far the most balanced for TvZ, winrate wise. After that, it's been more Zerg favored.
http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/
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On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. No one's saying it's impossible to win with terran. The discussion is quite clearly focused on lategame TvZ. Of which Maru didn't exactly dominate in his recent GSL win.
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Special chiseling Reynor, but he macros so well during all the harassment.
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On July 13 2018 20:18 Vedeynevin wrote:
I must have imagined that point in the game when they had equal banks and where both on 200 supply
I was watching Reynors bank, and he was far ahead when they maxed out.
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Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. Bear that in mind before whining during the late game ;p
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On July 13 2018 20:15 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. Gotta admire Terrans, they're staying on brand. LOL
I admire their commitment at least
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On July 13 2018 20:18 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. No one's saying it's impossible to win with terran. The discussion is quite clearly focused on lategame TvZ. Of which Maru didn't exactly dominate in his recent GSL win. It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated
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Reynor is going to win this WCS
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Well at least g1 was entertaining, rip special. Go go pasta!
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Reynor is at his top form atm. He's been practising for GSL.
Special is great, but if he's not close to his highest level atm... well this kind of thing will happen.
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Bwahaha a floating contaminated building lol.
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Reynor vs Serral. My body is ready.
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Italy2573 Posts
Reynor is a beast my god!
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On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote: Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. Bear that in mind before whining during the late game ;p
So yeah
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On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote: Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers.
That's part of the problem.
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Hop on everyone, this train is going places
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On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:18 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. No one's saying it's impossible to win with terran. The discussion is quite clearly focused on lategame TvZ. Of which Maru didn't exactly dominate in his recent GSL win. It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You seem to be the one eager to turn it from an actual discussion to a whine/shit talking thread. No need to vulgur language, my points were clear, if you have an actual response to them I'd be glad to hear it.
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Man Reynor is kinda sick :D already living up to the hype for this weekend, even if he drops out next round
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Haha, oh I get it now. Playing without shoes is OP!
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reynor
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On July 13 2018 20:22 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote: Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. That's part of the problem.
So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead?
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Scarlett took 2 games off Serral? Wow
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Reynor just showed to be the better player. Grats Riccardo, you are insane
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insane hellbat drops by major, young players need to learn from that
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Reynor has dropped two maps so far. One against Nercio and one against Denver. So his ZvZ against Serral will be his biggest test.
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"I'm confident against Serral" what a boss
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On July 13 2018 20:23 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:22 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote: Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. That's part of the problem. So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead?
Don't bother with people who have faulty logic lol
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On July 13 2018 20:24 geokilla wrote: Scarlett took 2 games off Serral? Wow
She actually had a 2-1 lead in the series!
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On July 13 2018 20:25 MarthTV wrote: Reynor has dropped two maps so far. One against Nercio and one against Denver. So his ZvZ against Serral will be his biggest test.
He just said he's confident vs Serral.
Maybe just the nature of ZvZ.
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Man, you gotta love this kid. Serral vs Reynor will be tough. He's only lost maps to ZvZ.
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On July 13 2018 20:25 CynicalDeath wrote: "I'm confident against Serral" what a boss
Pretty refreshing after listening to everyone be terrified of him at austin
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I am really excited at the idea of a zvz tomorrow
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Harassment without destroying base is useless in some way,Maru Inno and Byun know the importance of destroying bases.
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Reynor was so unlucky to meet Serral in the ro8, the bottom side of the bracket looks way easier
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On July 13 2018 20:26 stilt wrote:I am really excited at the idea of a zvz tomorrow
Hey, this series is actually gonna get other people to want to see a zvz. Nice!
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On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated
You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine.
The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up.
Whatever. I'm done here.
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Putting Reynor and Serral on the same side of the bracket is looking more forgivable now, it prevents a guaranteed ZvZ final. I don't see either of these guys losing to anyone else.
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I think DnS will make this bo5 very interesting.
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On July 13 2018 20:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead?
The fact that killing 8 bases counts as minimal damage is depressing as fuck.
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On July 13 2018 20:28 BisuDagger wrote: I think DnS will make this bo5 very interesting.
HeroMarine is looking strong lately, even if he had one of the easiest, if not the easiest group stages.
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On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here.
Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol
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Alright guys, let's give the TvZ imba discussion a break. PvT is next, so unless you have something to says about PvT imbalance or something constructive to add let's go back to enjoying the games.
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On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here.
Well, going with the same kind of response that we usually get to hear from Terran fans: Foreign Terrans just aren't as good as foreign Zerg and Protoss. Or even better: Serral is a god. Neeb is a god. Mana is a god. Raynor is a god. [Insert random Zerg/Protoss winning a bunch of matches] is a god.
This is the source of the mockery, if you ask me. Every time a Terran does well, it has nothing to do with balance but rather because "this Terran is a just a god". Every time a Terran does poorly, we see a constant flood of balance whines to the point of even having ultra lengthy "discussion threads" posted here on TL.
It's toxic and tiring and trying to have a serious conversation about it has failed in the past. Making fun of it or answering in the same vein is the only thing left.
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On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc.
Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss.
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On July 13 2018 20:31 fededevi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:28 BisuDagger wrote: I think DnS will make this bo5 very interesting. HeroMarine is looking strong lately, even if he had one of the easiest, if not the easiest group stages. HeroMarine was my vote in the world vote too. He's definitely in top form. It's more just a feeling the DnS is going to bring his momentum into this match.
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On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I'd be very glad if you could properly elaborate on why it's an issue that one race has an upperhand over the another in lategame, but maybe not here.
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On July 13 2018 20:35 BisuDagger wrote: Alright guys, let's give the TvZ imba discussion a break. PvT is next, so unless you have something to says about PvT imbalance or something constructive to add let's go back to enjoying the games. Buff protoss pls.
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On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here.
It's not Blizzard fault if foreigners are not on the same level of Koreans. Despite what people are saying to get buffs to their own races, balance is quite good at this moment .
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On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss.
I watched Maru beat rogue in the lategame last night. You know what won him the game? Ghosts
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On July 13 2018 20:39 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:35 BisuDagger wrote: Alright guys, let's give the TvZ imba discussion a break. PvT is next, so unless you have something to says about PvT imbalance or something constructive to add let's go back to enjoying the games. Buff protoss pls. I second this.
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Ok ok, tvp time. STORM OP
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On July 13 2018 20:42 Vedeynevin wrote: Ok ok, tvp time. STORM OP Buff the amulet!
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On July 13 2018 20:44 BisuDagger wrote:Buff the amulet!
You mean bring back the amulet
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On July 13 2018 20:44 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:44 BisuDagger wrote:On July 13 2018 20:42 Vedeynevin wrote: Ok ok, tvp time. STORM OP Buff the amulet! You mean bring back the amulet and then buff it!
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On July 13 2018 20:41 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I watched Maru beat rogue in the lategame last night. You know what won him the game? Ghosts Maybe he did, but GSL is a better indicator than streams. Maru lost in the lategames against Rogue and Leenock in GSL. Along with every other terran that's tried it in a premier event recently.
Besides, this discussion is over apparently, at least until the next TvZ. HeroMarine is killing this guy.
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On July 13 2018 20:45 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:44 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 20:44 BisuDagger wrote:On July 13 2018 20:42 Vedeynevin wrote: Ok ok, tvp time. STORM OP Buff the amulet! You mean bring back the amulet and then buff it! Nailed it!
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Damn it. RIP Scarlett, going 2-3 vs the guy who won the last two should be worth a second chance at least. This single elim is brutal
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On July 13 2018 20:46 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:41 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I watched Maru beat rogue in the lategame last night. You know what won him the game? Ghosts Maybe he did, but GSL is a better indicator than streams. Maru lost in the lategames against Rogue and Leenock in GSL. Along with every other terran that's tried it in a premier event recently. Besides, this discussion is over apparently, at least until the next TvZ. HeroMarine is killing this guy.
I missed g1, what happened?
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I'm really wondering about HeroMarine's dioptres. Every time I see him, his glasses seem to become thicker.
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On July 13 2018 20:50 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:46 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:41 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I watched Maru beat rogue in the lategame last night. You know what won him the game? Ghosts Maybe he did, but GSL is a better indicator than streams. Maru lost in the lategames against Rogue and Leenock in GSL. Along with every other terran that's tried it in a premier event recently. Besides, this discussion is over apparently, at least until the next TvZ. HeroMarine is killing this guy. I missed g1, what happened? Resonating glaives pressure w/ probe cut vs. cloak banshee into stomp.
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I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct.
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On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct.
Marauder good unit, that's why
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On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct. I think they should either be given cloak or burrow.
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On July 13 2018 20:53 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct. I think they should either be given cloak or burrow. Blink. They need blink.
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We all know all they need is a headbutt.
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On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct. Never heard of it, is it like a reaver?
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On July 13 2018 20:54 DBooN wrote: We all know all they need is a headbutt. The best head to put on a Colossus' butt would be Tom Cruise's.
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Gabriel hates oracles. A terran after my own heart.
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Why didn't DnS drop shield batteries outside hit natural immediately? edit: before the final fight.
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Wow the one time i shitpost about colossi in PvT they get built in the series :D
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Damn colosus really do shred marines, shame they do nothing against marauders
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At least this game shows why they went extinct :D
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So yeah about that Colossi...xD
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HeroMarine breaks into top 8 wcs with that.
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DnS was.. disappointing..
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One France vs Germany duel won. Hopefully ShoWTimE can win the other one. :D
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On July 13 2018 20:55 BisuDagger wrote:The best head to put on a Colossus' butt would be Tom Cruise's. Tom Cruise has misaligned front teeth. This is deeply unsettling
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NOOOOOO!!!! HOW COULD SHURA LOSE TO Serral. UPSET OF THe century?!
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On July 13 2018 21:12 Fango wrote: HeroMarine breaks into top 8 wcs with that.
Considering his group stages and how DnS played I think Heromarine did not even had to try that hard...
His match history for the wcs: DnS Namshar Seither Hellraiser NXZ Mamba
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Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral
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On July 13 2018 21:26 Noonius wrote: Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral Code S God Reynor
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On July 13 2018 21:26 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 21:26 Noonius wrote: Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral Code S God Reynor I'm old enough not to get on every hype train. Plus there's so much zerg a man can take and still have some dignity left
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On July 13 2018 21:30 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 21:26 Shellshock wrote:On July 13 2018 21:26 Noonius wrote: Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral Code S God Reynor I'm old enough not to get on every hype train. Plus there's so much zerg a man can take and still have some dignity left you could support the dutchies; thermy and H A R S T E N
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On July 13 2018 21:30 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 21:26 Shellshock wrote:On July 13 2018 21:26 Noonius wrote: Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral Code S God Reynor I'm old enough not to get on every hype train. Plus there's so much zerg a man can take and still have some dignity left The best hype train of all time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/67421-its-march-3rd
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On July 13 2018 21:33 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 21:30 Noonius wrote:On July 13 2018 21:26 Shellshock wrote:On July 13 2018 21:26 Noonius wrote: Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral Code S God Reynor I'm old enough not to get on every hype train. Plus there's so much zerg a man can take and still have some dignity left The best hype train of all time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/67421-its-march-3rd who?
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This game is a disaster for Snute
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Kind of just a matter of how long the death animation is after those hellions
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Think there was some TL collusion here? That maybe R1CH called in from his red phone and said "Alright guys, I've decided uThermal will win this team kill. This tournament needs a Terran hero. "
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On July 13 2018 21:38 BisuDagger wrote: Think there was some TL collusion here? That maybe R1CH called in from his red phone and said "Alright guys, I've decided uThermal will win this team kill. This tournament needs a Terran hero. "
TL would substitute TaeJa into uThermal's spot if they could
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Snute. Once is just getting Terran'd. Twice is maybe you have a massive stylistic flaw
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another 3-0 unfortunately, sry for Snute, but glad to see thermy is back in shape.
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Is everyone gonna 3-0 except for serral?
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Wow, cool results.
Scarlett taking 2 maps is impressive, Reynor keeps the hype train going and Big Gabe hast still not dropped a map.
Really thought DnS would be very hard.
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On July 13 2018 21:53 DBooN wrote: Is everyone gonna 3-0 except for serral? thought serral was supposed to be good
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Is it a WCS of 3:0 again?
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On July 13 2018 21:58 Shellshock wrote:thought serral was supposed to be good scarlet is not in her best form, so her taking 2 maps from serral is something I consider a huge result
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That engagement was beyond horrible for Snute. Yeah, it was deep on creep, but uThermal had pre-split like a god and split even further when the engagement started.
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uThermal's macro improved
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Just going to predict that Neeb, Clem, Nerchio and Has win their games.
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I'm not loving that autoturret harass is back
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Anti armor missile putting in work.
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On July 13 2018 22:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'm not loving that autoturret harass is back It is kind of dumb, but ravens need something or people just won't make them and that's worse.
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What is ist with all thod people not finidng Bases :D
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Snute has 7 mutas to deal with libs....
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Snute is not trading efficiently.
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that one marine bugged out all those longs.
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B U I L D I N G A R M O R
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Should have just proxy raxed on this map vs Snute.
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uThermal should proxy 3 rax on 16bit,this map is too big.
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On July 13 2018 22:23 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal should proxy 3 rax on 16bit,this map is too big.
With a back natural? Seems ass.
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On July 13 2018 22:25 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:23 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal should proxy 3 rax on 16bit,this map is too big. With a back natural? Seems ass. It's aight if the Zerg doesn't scout the rax number, because the response to 2,3 and 4 is different,
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On July 13 2018 20:38 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I'd be very glad if you could properly elaborate on why it's an issue that one race has an upperhand over the another in lategame, but maybe not here. This is coming from the #1 complainer about pre-patch Raven? Interesting
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This doesn't look viable without fungal root :D
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Sick timing. One minute later and I think he was dead.
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uThermal you still say you do not know Kungfu?
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On July 13 2018 22:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I'd be very glad if you could properly elaborate on why it's an issue that one race has an upperhand over the another in lategame, but maybe not here. This is coming from the #1 complainer about pre-patch Raven? Interesting You can call me back when vipers can insta blow up ground and air units.
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Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim?
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On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness.
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On July 13 2018 22:42 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness.
Poor HeroMarine
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On July 13 2018 22:42 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness. No wonder TLO switched to Zerg D: Gotta save them hairs
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On July 13 2018 22:42 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness.
I want a photoshopped picture of a bald heromarine
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On July 13 2018 22:42 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness. In Europe. In Korea it leads to making sweet bank.
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On July 13 2018 22:43 fededevi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:42 Ej_ wrote:On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness. I want a photoshopped picture of a bald heromarine dancing
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Neeb will probably have to 3-0 Bly if he wants to beat Reynor or Serral.
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On July 13 2018 22:41 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:37 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2018 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote:On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:
It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I'd be very glad if you could properly elaborate on why it's an issue that one race has an upperhand over the another in lategame, but maybe not here. This is coming from the #1 complainer about pre-patch Raven? Interesting You can call me back when vipers can insta blow up ground and air units. That came only into play in lategame. One race having an advantage in lategame over the other isn't a problem.
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On July 13 2018 22:40 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal you still say you do not know Kungfu? Wat
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On July 13 2018 22:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:40 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal you still say you do not know Kungfu? Wat Just a meme in China Community,uThermal often kill many workers with only one medivac's marines.
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On July 13 2018 22:47 RealityTheGreat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:44 Elentos wrote:On July 13 2018 22:40 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal you still say you do not know Kungfu? Wat Just a meme in China Community,uThermal often kill many workers with only one medivac's marines. What does that have to do with Kung Fu
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On July 13 2018 22:44 HolydaKing wrote: Neeb will probably have to 3-0 Bly if he wants to beat Reynor or Serral. Different play styles, Bly is cheesy, he will definitely take a map
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On July 13 2018 22:48 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:47 RealityTheGreat wrote:On July 13 2018 22:44 Elentos wrote:On July 13 2018 22:40 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal you still say you do not know Kungfu? Wat Just a meme in China Community,uThermal often kill many workers with only one medivac's marines. What does that have to do with Kung Fu A famous dialogue in film."Changfwei you still say you do not know Kung Fu?",Chinese fans often call uThermal "Changwei"
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I can tell Bly sniffed a line before this match lmao
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"Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018
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On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018 The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads.
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I like how Maynarde paused his introduction with the Bly pause.
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On July 13 2018 23:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018 The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads. let's not forget Dear, who lost a maxed out army and won
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as if Neeb needed any help
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On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018 With one probe lolololol
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On July 13 2018 23:05 RealityTheGreat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018 With one probe lolololol
Ahh, the infamous FIST OF NEEB
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On July 13 2018 23:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018 The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads.
Artosis could probably write that with even moar caps
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On July 13 2018 23:01 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:00 Durnuu wrote:On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies"
- Artosis, 2018 The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads. let's not forget Dear, who lost a maxed out army and won Dear's multitask and psistorm is the best of the world,but sometimes noob(Why he lose to leenock ahhhhhhhhh?).
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Nice try Bly, but Neeb is too solid
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Neeb looks like he's the one down 0-2 and getting bopped.
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Nydus with supply block at 44 isnt that good i heard.
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I have to say Bly career must feel like such a drag sometime, half of the tournament he get just far enough to get to be the punching bag on stage.
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Why Neeb's photo is truck?I don't understand(use TL from 2017 but not often) -------- Bly find himself ----Cheese Bly:For money!
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Phoenix DT? Has Neeb been playing BW and been going Corsair DT?
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What is this build lol. This is like the Bisu build SC2 version lol
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On July 13 2018 23:36 Boggyb wrote: Phoenix DT? Has Neeb been playing BW and been going Corsair DT? He's taken this build from the best. Rotterdam has been advocating for phoenix/DT for years.
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If Neeb loses this game, he deserves it with this freaking weird build.
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I know people love Neeb but I'm glad he hasnt been doing well this year, he plays a brand of Starcraft that it just so lame and bad to watch, always turtling to carriers mothership.
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Neeb is playing with fire by not having storm
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On July 13 2018 23:39 Lexender wrote: I know people love Neeb but I'm glad he hasnt been doing well this year, he plays a brand of Starcraft that it just so lame and bad to watch, always turtling to carriers mothership. Do you feel similar things about Snute?
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On July 13 2018 23:36 RealityTheGreat wrote: Why Neeb's photo is truck?I don't understand(use TL from 2017 but not often) -------- Bly find himself ----Cheese Bly:For money!
Because he need the fire truck to put out Bly + Show Spoiler +Honestly I think it's just that when he started playing TL had no picture of him so they put that instead
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That was less than good from Neeb
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On July 13 2018 23:40 Kommander wrote: Neeb is playing with fire by not having storm He might have ignited Bly
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Afair "Neeb" is the name of a certain type of fire truck.
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I'm going to assume that was Neeb trying out a build he was considering using against Serral.
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On July 13 2018 23:40 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:39 Lexender wrote: I know people love Neeb but I'm glad he hasnt been doing well this year, he plays a brand of Starcraft that it just so lame and bad to watch, always turtling to carriers mothership. Do you feel similar things about Snute?
Snute never makes runs as deep as Neeb. Now HotS era Snute, yeah I did.
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Carriers without storm are shit, who knew?
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Now for some weird Bly build to induce the tilt
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On July 13 2018 23:36 RealityTheGreat wrote: Why Neeb's photo is truck?I don't understand(use TL from 2017 but not often) -------- Bly find himself ----Cheese Bly:For money! The picture is from a time where they didn't really have any good photos of him. And honestly it makes him way cooler.
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On July 13 2018 23:43 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:40 Boggyb wrote:On July 13 2018 23:39 Lexender wrote: I know people love Neeb but I'm glad he hasnt been doing well this year, he plays a brand of Starcraft that it just so lame and bad to watch, always turtling to carriers mothership. Do you feel similar things about Snute? Snute never makes runs as deep as Neeb. Now HotS era Snute, yeah I did. Snute made two finals last year. He should have won Valencia.
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On July 13 2018 23:45 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:43 Lexender wrote:On July 13 2018 23:40 Boggyb wrote:On July 13 2018 23:39 Lexender wrote: I know people love Neeb but I'm glad he hasnt been doing well this year, he plays a brand of Starcraft that it just so lame and bad to watch, always turtling to carriers mothership. Do you feel similar things about Snute? Snute never makes runs as deep as Neeb. Now HotS era Snute, yeah I did. Snute made two finals last year. He should have won Valencia. He's the WCS equivalent of soO. And the Defender's Landing game against Elazer was his equivalent to Zest vs soO on Yeonsu.
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I'm not sure Neeb is going to be able to keep his 3rd alive when this inevitable attack hits.
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The defense almost looked decent for Bly until the observer shifted over to the main and showed a dozen Chargelots murdering everything.
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I mean Neeb wins but he doesn't look that convicning.
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On July 13 2018 23:52 Boggyb wrote: The defense almost looked decent for Bly until the observer shifted over to the main and showed a dozen Chargelots murdering everything. It was a respectable effort. He actually managed to bring the game from 150 to 110 supply down to 110 to 90 before his entire main disappeared.
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On July 13 2018 23:53 darklycid wrote: I mean Neeb wins but he doesn't look that convicning. bly makes games look messy for both players
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On July 13 2018 23:52 Boggyb wrote: The defense almost looked decent for Bly until the observer shifted over to the main and showed a dozen Chargelots murdering everything. "Oh huh, Bly could hold this with good positioning and a ling flank from the 3rd" *pans to main* "Rip"
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On July 13 2018 23:53 darklycid wrote: I mean Neeb wins but he doesn't look that convicning. Game 3 was a clown fiesta but games 1, 2, and 4 were pretty convincing.
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Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue
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Bly took a game. I think he did well tbh.
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Neeb back the his 2016-17 form!!! Just listen to this "I have no chance" interview
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Neeb outclassing Bly, sad to hear he's giving the edge to showtime.
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On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue
I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state.
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On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. It was a 2-1 followed by an 0-2 in rematch. But regardless, unstable means unstable. He can be really strong but he hasn't managed to keep it up for any longer stretches of time. He can also look weak and bounce back impressively.
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On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state.
Imho Neeb is still the best foreigner after Serral, despite what form he is in
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On July 13 2018 20:14 BisuDagger wrote:He is very similar. What I like from Reynor is that he techs up really well. Sometimes I felt life just tried to win purely on ling roach (which he did very often), and maybe that's because he was just too good to need to tech. But Reynor plays tech focused very well and throughout that he's makes great use of lings from start to finish.
I also absolutely love his positioning in setting up engagements. Best player at consistently doing that since Stephano in my opinion.As you mentioned, watching the mini-map in Reynor games is so fun!
On July 14 2018 00:03 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. Imho Neeb is still the best foreigner after Serral, despite what form he is in
Possibly. But Reynor's beaten the 3rd and 4th best foreigners with authority this tournament (in my opinion) in Showtime and Special. I'd welcome a Reynor vs Neeb match (though I don't think Reynor will get past Serral).
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On July 13 2018 22:52 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:44 HolydaKing wrote: Neeb will probably have to 3-0 Bly if he wants to beat Reynor or Serral. Different play styles, Bly is cheesy, he will definitely take a map LUL, See what I mean?
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On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state.
That's true, and it just makes me wonder why he has struggled this year to find the sort of consistency that won him 3 WCS and kespa cup. Maybe it was patch 4.0 that changed everything, but it just feels like he doesn't close out games the way that he used to - he makes so many risky moves and throws leads away more often nowadays. Not saying that he won't beat top players and/or win tournaments (and he already has this year), but he would have better chances with his solid style of old
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On July 14 2018 00:04 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 20:14 BisuDagger wrote:On July 13 2018 20:10 geokilla wrote: Reymor reminds me so much of Life omg He is very similar. What I like from Reynor is that he techs up really well. Sometimes I felt life just tried to win purely on ling roach (which he did very often), and maybe that's because he was just too good to need to tech. But Reynor plays tech focused very well and throughout that he's makes great use of lings from start to finish. I also absolutely love his positioning in setting up engagements. Best player at consistently doing that since Stephano in my opinion.As you mentioned, watching the mini-map in Reynor games is so fun! Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:03 raff100 wrote:On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. Imho Neeb is still the best foreigner after Serral, despite what form he is in Possibly. But Reynor's beaten the 3rd and 4th best foreigners with authority this tournament (in my opinion) in Showtime and Special. I'd welcome a Reynor vs Neeb match (though I don't think Reynor will get past Serral).
I don't want to hype Reynor too much, so I won't be disappointed if he loses
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On July 14 2018 00:07 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 22:52 AzAlexZ wrote:On July 13 2018 22:44 HolydaKing wrote: Neeb will probably have to 3-0 Bly if he wants to beat Reynor or Serral. Different play styles, Bly is cheesy, he will definitely take a map LUL, See what I mean? It wasn't Bly being cheesy that won him a game.
On July 14 2018 00:12 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. That's true, and it just makes me wonder why he has struggled this year to find the sort of consistency that won him 3 WCS and kespa cup. Maybe it was patch 4.0 that changed everything, but it just feels like he doesn't close out games the way that he used to - he makes so many risky moves and throws leads away more often nowadays. Not saying that he won't beat top players and/or win tournaments (and he already has this year), but he would have better chances with his solid style of old His struggles early in the year were a product of how absolutely broken PvZ was. His losses since then were in PvP with his loss to Mana feeling like it came because he just wasn't respecting Mana.
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On July 14 2018 00:17 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:07 AzAlexZ wrote:On July 13 2018 22:52 AzAlexZ wrote:On July 13 2018 22:44 HolydaKing wrote: Neeb will probably have to 3-0 Bly if he wants to beat Reynor or Serral. Different play styles, Bly is cheesy, he will definitely take a map LUL, See what I mean? It wasn't Bly being cheesy that won him a game. Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:12 sudete wrote:On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote:On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. That's true, and it just makes me wonder why he has struggled this year to find the sort of consistency that won him 3 WCS and kespa cup. Maybe it was patch 4.0 that changed everything, but it just feels like he doesn't close out games the way that he used to - he makes so many risky moves and throws leads away more often nowadays. Not saying that he won't beat top players and/or win tournaments (and he already has this year), but he would have better chances with his solid style of old His struggles early in the year were a product of how absolutely broken PvZ was. His losses since then were in PvP with his loss to Mana feeling like it came because he just wasn't respecting Mana.
Did something change in PvZ this year? The dropperlord nerf was the only thing I can recall.
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On July 14 2018 00:25 Inflicted wrote: SC is going to shut down for streaming live bullying
Like the little italian bullying the big mexican?
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Getting 4 probes when the Protoss barely reacts is actually very bad.
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"one of those Artosis pylons" - Tasteless acting like we might not know what that is.
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That was a razor sharp defense timing by Showtime. Sick.
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On July 14 2018 00:46 Inflicted wrote: 1 medivac per marauder, Clem can't lose this Each infantry unit has its own personal medivac at this point Artosis!
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back from work just now... what happened lol?
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Stop fighting Showtime. You cannot win.
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On July 14 2018 00:48 CynicalDeath wrote: back from work just now... what happened lol?
basetrade into a legit draw scenario, Showtime can't win the game anymore
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All Showtime can do is camp near his battery. He's an idiot for doing anything else.
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Feel like Clem made this a lot harder than it had to be. Good guy showing some good games, already a pro
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On July 14 2018 00:48 Mozdk wrote: Stop fighting Showtime. You cannot win. A draw is a win for him.
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He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then.
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clem has little ressources and scv, he shoud repair
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On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues.
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Showtime is trying to hard to get that medivac, lol
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At this point, I can't see Clem winning.
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Wow no way clem can kill an archon a canon+ a shield batteries
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Repairing the medivacs a bit could've been neat.
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On July 14 2018 00:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues.
An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers.
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its so cool that so deep into the life of sc2 we still get new top tier players appearing
first neeb coming up ~3 years ago, then serral
now we've got these two super young players in clem and reynor moving up and trying to take the spot of #1 foreigner
what a game that was
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He could have repaired the medivac with the last scvs
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KeSPA would have awarded him a def loss for typing "gg".
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Clem almost lost but he realized lolololol
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Polt would have won that basetrade.
All he had to do was repair the medivacs lol. After he killed all the stalkers and left Showtime with the archon and 2 nearly dead zealots.
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On July 14 2018 00:54 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:53 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues. An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers. He had a battery next to a cannon in the main the entire time so god alone knows why he was chasing 3 units around the map in a clear draw.
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On July 14 2018 00:55 Elentos wrote: KeSPA would have awarded him a def loss for typing "gg". KeSPA would have perma banned Showtime for using the emoticon when asking for the draw.
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On July 14 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Polt would have won that basetrade.
All he had to do was repair the medivacs lol. After he killed all the stalkers and left Showtime with the archon and 2 nearly dead zealots. Polt is the King of Basetrade
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On July 14 2018 00:54 travis wrote: its so cool that so deep into the life of sc2 we still get new top tier players appearing
first neeb coming up ~3 years ago, then serral
now we've got these two super young players in clem and reynor moving up and trying to take the spot of #1 foreigner
what a game that was
Too bad Clem chose the worst performing race by far in foreign Starcraft, I'll love to be proven wrong by him to, its been so long since the times of Thorzain and Co.
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How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime?
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On July 14 2018 00:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:54 Mozdk wrote:On July 14 2018 00:53 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues. An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers. He had a battery next to a cannon in the main the entire time so god alone knows why he was chasing 3 units around the map in a clear draw. To break clem's mental
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isnt 35k viewers a lot ? seems like sc2 might be getting a bit of resurgence of popularity.
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? He can't kill Clem's buildings.
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? He couldn't have killed the floating buildings of Clem (no flying unit) so it was an obvious draw with nobody able to win.
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? They just replay the map.
Showtime wasn't awarded the victory because he could never kill Clem's buildings.
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? The objective is to kill all your opponents buildings. Neither of them could do that (Clem had no units and Showtime had nothing to hit flying buildings)
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If clem would have taken some time to regroup his scvs, repair and just attack buildings I think he could have had a better chance. gg tho.
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On July 14 2018 00:57 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:55 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 00:54 Mozdk wrote:On July 14 2018 00:53 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues. An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers. He had a battery next to a cannon in the main the entire time so god alone knows why he was chasing 3 units around the map in a clear draw. To break clem's mental Showtime can't win cuz floating buildings. Clem can always theoretically win as long as he has a medivac and some bio.
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Kinda cool to see a drawn game, they hardly happen anymore compared to WoL and HotS if my memory serves
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On July 14 2018 00:57 kongoline wrote: isnt 35k viewers a lot ? seems like sc2 might be getting a bit of resurgence of popularity. It's not a lot on the grand scale of twitch but it is better than last year
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On July 14 2018 00:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:57 Tyrhanius wrote:On July 14 2018 00:55 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 00:54 Mozdk wrote:On July 14 2018 00:53 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues. An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers. He had a battery next to a cannon in the main the entire time so god alone knows why he was chasing 3 units around the map in a clear draw. To break clem's mental Showtime can't win cuz floating buildings. Clem can always theoretically win as long as he has a medivac and some bio. Which means chasing Clem around the map was the only way Showtime could have lost.
Also building and then cancelling a nexus in the bottom left made it impossible for him to win outright.
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime?
Because showtime cannot kill Clem's buildings. They fly and he has no flying units.
A starcraft game ends when you've killed all their buildings, or when it's been a while since last units/building died.
Since Clem was out of units, and showtime was unable to kill Clem's buildings, the timer would go out. Meaning a draw.
They didn't bother waiting the 2-3 mins for that to happen, as it was the only thing that could happen.
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The draw was definitely a lot better than Avilo Riddler which was the last one I saw before that.
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I see, thanks.
Wouldn't make sense to count only building which are on the ground?
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On July 14 2018 00:57 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:54 travis wrote: its so cool that so deep into the life of sc2 we still get new top tier players appearing
first neeb coming up ~3 years ago, then serral
now we've got these two super young players in clem and reynor moving up and trying to take the spot of #1 foreigner
what a game that was Too bad Clem chose the worst performing race by far in foreign Starcraft, I'll love to be proven wrong by him to, its been so long since the times of Thorzain and Co.
Not saying this changes the fact that terran is the worst perfoming race in the foreign scene, but Uthermal did win a WCS event much more recently
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I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? ST can't destroy the flying buildings.
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On July 14 2018 01:01 Waxangel wrote: I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD
Yet
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On July 14 2018 01:01 Waxangel wrote: I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD Just you wait, I'm sure Has will find a way to top that somehow
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On July 14 2018 01:00 fededevi wrote: I see, thanks.
Wouldn't make sense to count only building which are on the ground? It would make more sense to just limit how long Terran buildings can fly without having to land.
If you include only landed buildings, a Terran player could lose in a base trade situation while not attempting to force a draw which would be super dumb. (e.g., they are flying out all their production and the Protoss player wipes out their addons and supply depots leaving only flying buildings)
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On July 14 2018 00:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:57 kongoline wrote: isnt 35k viewers a lot ? seems like sc2 might be getting a bit of resurgence of popularity. It's not a lot on the grand scale of twitch but it is better than last year
Didn't shroud alone have 35k subscribers at one time (not even counting viewers per stream)?
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On July 14 2018 01:05 LTCM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 00:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 14 2018 00:57 kongoline wrote: isnt 35k viewers a lot ? seems like sc2 might be getting a bit of resurgence of popularity. It's not a lot on the grand scale of twitch but it is better than last year Didn't shroud alone have 35k subscribers at one time (not even counting viewers per stream)? Shroud had 52K subscribers a few weeks ago. Ninja had a couple hundred thousand at his peak I think.
But still, those are the giants. SC2 has been doing better lately which is good.
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I hope this game ends in another base trade.
edit: Shadow stride hype!!!
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On July 14 2018 01:01 Waxangel wrote: I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD But his game is still very dumb.lololol
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Showtime is no Nightmare or sOs, but I respect anyone who researches Blink DT in a pro match.
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And then: 20 vikings appear
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That was an awful fight from Showtime. They traded pretty evenly in supply but Showtime lost so many valuable tech units there.
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Clem should keep to 2-3 base all ins, he has no chance in late game.
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holy shit, a draw, thank you so much
Really didn't want to miss Nerchio and had to work until now.
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haha sky terran with only vikings? :D
whats a good composition against showtimes lategame army? seemed like clem had no real plan against it
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showtimes decisionmaking in this game was pretty much perfect
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didn't see a single stride
still totally worth it
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Clem does well until he gets zealot harassed, then it just spirals out of control
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On July 14 2018 01:15 travis wrote: showtimes decisionmaking in this game was pretty much perfect A complete turnaround from the draw.
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To be fair to Clem playing against disurptor/tempest/strom is near impossible unless protoss makes a huge mistake
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On July 14 2018 01:20 JackONeill wrote: To be fair to Clem playing against disurptor/tempest/strom is near impossible unless protoss makes a huge mistake How do you play vs that composition properly in the lategame?
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This WCS has been a lot of fun so far
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On July 14 2018 01:23 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:20 JackONeill wrote: To be fair to Clem playing against disurptor/tempest/strom is near impossible unless protoss makes a huge mistake How do you play vs that composition properly in the lategame? Play like Maru.
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Ok, these moves from Clem are pretty cool. Very similar to late HotS TvP.
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On July 14 2018 01:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Ok, these moves from Clem are pretty cool. Very similar to late HotS TvP. If only he were good enough to actually win games with it......
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On July 14 2018 01:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Ok, these moves from Clem are pretty cool. Very similar to late HotS TvP.
Ya he has some nice move, sadly Showtime is to solid for this. Protoss are to good at defending multi drop these days
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none of those games were runaways. clem is improving quite rapidly.
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On July 14 2018 01:28 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Ok, these moves from Clem are pretty cool. Very similar to late HotS TvP. If only he were good enough to actually win games with it......
He should have played like Maru.
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Clem is nice. If this WCS system stays for another couple years I can definitely expect him to be one of the top terrans.
How'd Serral/Scarlett and Reynor/SpeCial go? I was sleeping. :x
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Good run by Clem, I expect big things from him in the future .
God there's gonna be some great matches tomorrow. Serral/Reynor is shaping up to actually be a pretty good match. Like, beating Showtime and Special (not to mention Classic and Ryung) shows me Reynor's got what it takes to take on the best the foriegn seen has to offer. If that match is one sided it won't be because Reynor isn't good, it's that Serral is amazing. Neeb Showtime is a classic. uThermal vs Heromarine is the battle for Europe's best terran and might influence who goes to GSL vs The World since they're within 2% of eachother in that vote.
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On July 14 2018 01:36 Inflicted wrote: Perfectly balanced As all things should be.
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On July 14 2018 01:34 Soularion wrote: Clem is nice. If this WCS system stays for another couple years I can definitely expect him to be one of the top terrans.
How'd Serral/Scarlett and Reynor/SpeCial go? I was sleeping. :x Serral vs Scarlett was surprisingly close at first but Serral played really well on the last two maps.
SpeCial looked sick at first against Reynor but eventually couldn't keep up. Was quite one-sided
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Very great play by Clem but Showtime defense is really impressive, was a joy to watch.
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We need Harstem and Has to win for the all mirror round of 8.
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On July 14 2018 01:38 Boggyb wrote: We need Harstem and Has to win for the all mirror round of 8. And so we can complain about protoss
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On July 14 2018 01:39 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:38 Boggyb wrote: We need Harstem and Has to win for the all mirror round of 8. And so we can complain about protoss Always important.
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On July 14 2018 01:39 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:38 Boggyb wrote: We need Harstem and Has to win for the all mirror round of 8. And so we can complain about protoss If only one Protoss made it to the 2nd group stage with all others being eliminated, someone would be complaining about Protoss.
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IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw.
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On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. That series also had one of the biggest throws of all time.
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On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw.
I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw
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On July 14 2018 01:44 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:39 Penev wrote:On July 14 2018 01:38 Boggyb wrote: We need Harstem and Has to win for the all mirror round of 8. And so we can complain about protoss If only one Protoss made it to the 2nd group stage with all others being eliminated, someone would be complaining about Protoss. Remember when 2017 used to be Neeb vs Z and vT, he's the only Protoss in the Ro16
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On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though.
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is this the first game of the day where there's just not much happening for 8 minutes? Felt like every other game had some major aggressive plays by one or both players. And now it turns up to eleven with drops by both players
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Recall has really been fat shaming archons lately.
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The classic Nerchio drop style, I love it.
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On July 14 2018 02:02 DBooN wrote: Cool play by Nerchio! Now onto the maps where 8-min-no-rush into a doom drop won't work :D
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On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour...
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On July 14 2018 02:03 Ej_ wrote:Now onto the maps where 8-min-no-rush into a doom drop won't work :D Maybe he has some other cool builds!
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On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho.
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On July 14 2018 02:13 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Nerchio should build broodlords. on this map though, broodlords take a fucking year to get anywhere
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On July 14 2018 02:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work.
EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers????
How much do interceptors cost now?
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Nerc took 15 bases and it took them this long to see it was a basetrade strat.
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On July 14 2018 02:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:04 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work. EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers???? How much do interceptors cost now? 15 minerals
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On July 14 2018 02:21 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work. EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers???? How much do interceptors cost now? 15 minerals Thanks.
Why doesn't Nerchio just mass static defense and start abducting?
EDIT: Guess he doesn't need to.
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This series has been so weird
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B-But i thought that toss army is unbeatable.
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On July 14 2018 02:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:21 Durnuu wrote:On July 14 2018 02:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work. EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers???? How much do interceptors cost now? 15 minerals Thanks. Why doesn't Nerchio just mass static defense and start abducting? EDIT: Guess he doesn't need to. Looks like he prefers winning is enjoyable manner :D
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On July 14 2018 02:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:21 Durnuu wrote:On July 14 2018 02:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work. EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers???? How much do interceptors cost now? 15 minerals Thanks. Why doesn't Nerchio just mass static defense and start abducting? He really didn't have to do that, I would have given way to much time to Harstem to re-expend
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On July 14 2018 02:23 darklycid wrote: B-But i thought that toss army is unbeatable. Well, did that army ever lose a fight ?
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On July 14 2018 02:24 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:23 darklycid wrote: B-But i thought that toss army is unbeatable. Well, did that army ever lose a fight ? Yes the last one .
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It's just a regular year :/
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Well this series was disappointing, happy for Nerchio though.
Edit: Okay I really don't understand sc2 at all anymore I guess Really thought it was over after those first 9 adept died for nothing.
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That's a soul train of sorts
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didn't think Harstem was decisive enough with his initial push but looks like it worked out
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On July 14 2018 02:30 Penev wrote: It's just a regular year :/ nice jinx
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On July 14 2018 02:33 DBooN wrote: huh? "Fucking forcefields."
- Nerchio
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Have the noise cancelling headphones always been this big? These seem comically massive to me
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That fight was never going super well from Nerchio if you were watching the supply.
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United States1224 Posts
rip Nerchio, couldn't get banes finished in time, Harstem was picking them off in morph.
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On July 14 2018 02:35 Latr02 wrote: Have the noise cancelling headphones always been this big? These seem comically massive to me
Naniwa spoke up about it one day, then everyone got bigger headphone to make sure to never heard him again
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Nerchio looks strong in the lategame and weaker in the early game vs Harstem.
If Has beats Kelazhur, will we get Has vs Nerchio? Cuz Has could win that.
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On July 14 2018 02:46 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:35 Latr02 wrote: Have the noise cancelling headphones always been this big? These seem comically massive to me Naniwa spoke up about it one day, then everyone got bigger headphone to make sure to never heard him again Gotta love getting booed off the stage because Polt did the same scv scout he did every single TvP on his stream
Good holds from both players this game but gotta think Harstem regrets not taking down the 3rd or 4th
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Good job Nerchio. I wouldn't be mad if you won the whole thing. Although I cheer for Serral.
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Looking like a nice racial distribution so far.
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United States32524 Posts
Proxy Oracle until he thinks "he couldn't possibly be going Proxy Oracle again"
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WCS Montreal is going to be absolutely insane. The top 4 WCS spots are pretty much locked, but the bottom four are anyone's guess, especially if tomorrow uthermal beats heromarine, and Nerchio loses to the winner of Has vs Kelazur.
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On July 14 2018 03:06 Waxangel wrote: Proxy Oracle until he thinks "he couldn't possibly be going Proxy Oracle again"
Proxy an oracle then build a second proxy stargate after it's spotted
Edit: nevermind, it's gonna be proxy robo into proxy oracle
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Canada8775 Posts
Well warp prison immortal is basically an oracle when you think about it
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I just imagined shield battery with HotS immortal and it was a bad thought
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Australia18228 Posts
Why's Kelazhur still building SCVs
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On July 14 2018 03:17 MarthTV wrote: I love Has
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Has is one of the most entertaining players in the world without question.
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On July 14 2018 03:18 Inflicted wrote: Why's Kelazhur still building SCVs He has to spend money somehow and SCVs can attack too :D
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Everyone please vote Has for GSL vs The World
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Even though Has loses this game, I have become a true believer in him. The dude COMMITS to the cheese. Respect.
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Kelazhur can force a draw atleast, right?
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Has saw that Clem-Showtime draw and he knew he had to reclaim his throne
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On July 14 2018 03:23 DBooN wrote: Kelazhur can force a draw atleast, right? Guaranteed draw the moment the last probe died, but he really should (have) win the game.
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Has might be able to force a draw, Kelazhur can't really move out
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Never change, Has. Never change.
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On July 14 2018 03:24 Inflicted wrote: Has might be able to force a draw, Kelazhur can't really move out Did you really say that about a Terran?
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Loses the immortal INSIDE the warp prism. Joke player.
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On July 14 2018 03:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:24 Inflicted wrote: Has might be able to force a draw, Kelazhur can't really move out Did you really say that about a Terran?
If it wasn't for that viking
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He lost but Has delivered
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Lol, Has should've expanded and just contained him for a while.
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The game NEEDS players like Has. Oh my lord was that game entertaining.
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So fucking nice, you can see the livestream from the blizzard launcher
Blizzard improved its esport for sure
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And that's how Artosis cursed Has into losing the second map, making it a second bet he has no ability to uphold
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On July 14 2018 03:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Everyone please vote Has for GSL vs The World
We need a full sOs vs Has series. It's too perfect.
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On July 14 2018 03:28 [PkF] Wire wrote: ha ha game of the year Back to Protoss?!
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If Has expanded after he killed the second tank, he should have won.
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On July 14 2018 03:29 Ej_ wrote:Back to Protoss?! need to get back to sc2 first ^^
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On July 14 2018 03:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:29 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 03:28 [PkF] Wire wrote: ha ha game of the year Back to Protoss?! need to get back to sc2 first ^^ Summer break
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hahahahahaah, blind bunker and ebay before factory
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Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side
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God playing vs Has must be maddening... The games are extremely entertaining though.
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quasi-obligatory why do Assimilators have more HP post
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Nice ebay you got there xD
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side
Love you Has
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side nice
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side Well, fuck me.
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side
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On July 14 2018 03:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side
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this serie is legit hype might go buy some cheese after this
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Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World.
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I dont think i love to watch any player more than i love to watch has play :D Dudes games are hilariously entertaining.
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side
Well played.
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has is pretty decent with micro on those one base pushes, it's weird how atrocious his stalker control was.
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On July 14 2018 03:41 AUGcodon wrote: has is pretty decent with micro on those one base pushes, it's weird how atrocious his stalker control was. Has has mind boggling bad micro and macro when it comes to an actual macro game
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On July 14 2018 03:41 AUGcodon wrote: has is pretty decent with micro on those one base pushes, it's weird how atrocious his stalker control was. It's because he has terrible minimap awareness and reflexes.
He's looking somewhere else when his stalkers walk into siege tanks and it takes like 5 seconds for him to react to the notification.
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People should stop making jokes about it and admit that he is the best at doing it, at a level that he can compete win anyone. I mean, he is probably the only player in the world that plays his own build, all the others are more or less equilize with the same style/build orders with just some exceptions here and there. He plays how he wants and it works. Fantastic
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Wonder how Has would deal with someone taking the aggression to him, proxy reaper into cyclone shenanigans
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On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done
Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now.
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On July 14 2018 03:42 SuperHofmann wrote: People should stop making jokes about it and admit that he is the best at doing it, at a level that he can compete win anyone. I mean, he is probably the only player in the world that plays his own build, all the others are more or less equilize with the same style/build orders with just some exceptions here and there. He plays how he wants and it works. Fantastic No one is making fun of Has in this thread, just appreciating him for the truly unique and entertaining player that he is. All the comments like "I love Has" are not sarcasm, they're sincere.
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On July 14 2018 03:43 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:42 SuperHofmann wrote: People should stop making jokes about it and admit that he is the best at doing it, at a level that he can compete win anyone. I mean, he is probably the only player in the world that plays his own build, all the others are more or less equilize with the same style/build orders with just some exceptions here and there. He plays how he wants and it works. Fantastic No one is making fun of Has in this thread, just appreciating him for the truly unique and entertaining player that he is. All the comments like "I love Has" are not sarcasm, they're sincere. I was talking about the general perception that a Starcraft 2 fan has about him, not about this thread specifically. ^^
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On July 14 2018 03:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. Not sure if I like it tbh, but nice for TL.
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On July 14 2018 03:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:41 AUGcodon wrote: has is pretty decent with micro on those one base pushes, it's weird how atrocious his stalker control was. It's because he has terrible minimap awareness and reflexes. He's looking somewhere else when his stalkers walk into siege tanks and it takes like 5 seconds for him to react to the notification. For a pro obviously that's no bueno but he's still way faster than me on the map awareness
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I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement?
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On July 14 2018 03:45 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. Not sure if I like it tbh, but nice for TL. Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans
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On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural).
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On July 14 2018 03:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:45 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2018 03:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. Not sure if I like it tbh, but nice for TL. Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans Eh, Blizzard could've asked me. Starcraftstarleague.com doesn't affiliate itself with any involved parties.
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On July 14 2018 03:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:45 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2018 03:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. Not sure if I like it tbh, but nice for TL. Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans Yeah that sucked too!
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On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement?
Its called the Maka rax from the beta days. You "proxy yourself" to trick the enemy into thinking you're really proxying
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Lets see how a real macro game goes
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On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). How does that help Kelazhur then?
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On July 14 2018 03:47 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:45 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 03:45 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2018 03:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. Not sure if I like it tbh, but nice for TL. Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans Eh, Blizzard could've asked me. Starcraftstarleague.com doesn't affiliate itself with any involved parties. Don't even care about the Liquid players, but how mana Taiwanese and Chinse fans are using TL.
Same for the Korean vote, it's basically foreign fans only voting on the Korean players...
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On July 14 2018 03:48 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). How does that help Kelazhur then? It looks like a proxy if you are the Protoss. You would delay your natural and go around with a probe looking for it. Watch Stats vs Maru on Abyssal Reef from their GSL final to have a better idea.
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On July 14 2018 03:48 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). How does that help Kelazhur then? You want to force an overreaction, i.e. Maru vs Stats on Abyssal Reef in the season 1 GSL finals.
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I want Has to win this tournament
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On July 14 2018 03:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:48 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). How does that help Kelazhur then? You want to force an overreaction, i.e. Maru vs Stats on Abyssal Reef in the season 1 GSL finals. Oh, ok. Has is doing really well in this game too. Did he kill Terran's 3rd?
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On July 14 2018 03:54 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:50 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2018 03:48 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). How does that help Kelazhur then? You want to force an overreaction, i.e. Maru vs Stats on Abyssal Reef in the season 1 GSL finals. Oh, ok. Has is doing really well in this game too. Did he kill Terran's 3rd? Yes :D.
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4 bases and zero production from Has lol
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Good to see the NASL guy is still getting work
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Has wasn't upgrading because he lost his forge.
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On July 14 2018 03:55 Inflicted wrote: 4 bases and zero production from Has lol He's banking up to see what tech switch to do and what to warp in. It's a strategy popularized by Zest, a multiple GSL champion. Can you show some respect to the actual progamers?
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On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural).
And so the legends are true: Maka was 8 years ahead of his time. What a legend.
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All fun and games until has gets to the finals and 4-0s serral
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On July 14 2018 03:57 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:55 Inflicted wrote: 4 bases and zero production from Has lol He's banking up to see what tech switch to do and what to warp in. It's a strategy popularized by Zest, a multiple GSL champion. Can you show some respect to the actual progamers? Zestbank only accepts very limited clientele though
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Fake cannon rush into proxy lol Fake cannon rush into fake proxy into actual proxy
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NASL sound guy is a true inspiration
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just today my speakers died and I have to watch with headphones...
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Dubstep used to only happen during breaks
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I'm glad these series go to game 5 (unless the dts mysteriously win the game)
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Has the superior macro player throwing away the series with all-ins
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On July 14 2018 04:08 Penev wrote: it's
S T R I D E That actually got me triggered aswell.
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Please let Has win I want to see him vs Nerchio so bad
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has holy shit you mad man. you're going to destroy the world with your cheese as vengence for all these years of people hating. please spare me
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On July 14 2018 04:11 BretZ wrote: has holy shit you mad man. you're going to destroy the world with your cheese as vengence for all these years of people hating. please spare me Is that what that audio interference is? The beginning of the end? D:
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Kelazhur is doing the reactor cyclone build, right?
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This is just one series and Kelazhur is more mind-fucked by Has than iaguz ever was.
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Is this Has vs Kelazhur or Classic vs Forte?
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Has is playing macro, which is good, because Has wins macro games.
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poor Kelazhur
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What, oh what, my dear friends, has Has done to Kelazhur on ladder? This tilt level is through the roof. Trust going 5-0 into 0-5 wasn't this tilted.
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Has has micro too
STORM DROPS
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS
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Beautiful stuff, actually
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H A S B O Y S CHINESE TAIPEIIIIIIIIIII
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holy shit he really is going end us all.
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Damn those storms were insaaaaaaaaaane :D Congrats Has ^^
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Macro player Has convincing, his all-ins need some work so he can show more variety in his play in the future and not run risk of losing to significantly weaker players.
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I can only imagine Kelazhur's face when he realized there was storm. That was definitely the LAST thing he expected rofl.
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i want an awkward interview with has trying to speak english plz
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And tomorrow he is going to canon Nerchio. It's going to be glorious!
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Is this Has' best placement in a WCS event? Has he made it past the ro16 ever?
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such a hilarious series. Was worth it
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On July 14 2018 04:25 Gurbak wrote:i want an awkward interview with has trying to speak english plz Has doesn't do interviews, we're not worthy
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You can't not love him. He used 3 storms in 5 games? And that 3 storms won him the game?
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can I change my vote?
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damn this is like the best sc2 tourney in 3 years
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Reynor - Has final would single handedly save esports
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On July 14 2018 04:29 Latr02 wrote: Reynor - Has final would single handedly save esports
agreed with reynor saving the planet from cheese destruction
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Please vote for Has in GSL vs. the World!!!
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On July 14 2018 04:32 Inflicted wrote: I think twice.
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I respect everyone who voted for Has cannon rushing 6 times in a best of 5.
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On July 14 2018 04:44 Boggyb wrote: I respect everyone who voted for Has cannon rushing 6 times in a best of 5. The cannon rush draw where there's only an extractor and a cannon left on the field
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On July 14 2018 04:44 Boggyb wrote: I respect everyone who voted for Has cannon rushing 6 times in a best of 5.
Gotta account for an extra cannon rush when he gets a draw in one of the games.
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Noooo I miss Has winning a series
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On July 14 2018 05:04 Nakajin wrote:Noooo I miss Has winning a series Don't worry, you can just load up the twitch VOD to see Has dominate Kelazhur in macro games.
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OMG! Has!!!!!!!!!!
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Casting has been super sick thus far.
Incontrol is always fun and great to listen to but Tasteless and Maynarde are really going for it.
ToD's hair is the only major disappointment but you can't have everything in life.
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oh noe...wild Has appeared at ro8
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Has in the quarterfinals makes me very happy.
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just went back to watch the reynor-special games
reynor is really good, wow. im interested to see how he does against serral.
edit: he said he's confident against him. wow
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On July 14 2018 09:52 travis wrote: just went back to watch the reynor-special games
reynor is really good, wow. im interested to see how he does against serral.
He really did a thorough job vs Special. Not quite a bop but just cerebral and dominant play.
Serral vs Reynor promises to be one of the most andticipated series of the year, and one of the most interesting storylines we’ve had in a long time. I’m really excited for the match because if Serral wins, he further solidifies his place at the top of foreign SC2 History. If Reynor wins, he topples the king and will likely tear through Heromarine/uThermal to the finals in his FIRST try. Just like making GSL Code S in his FIRST try
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On July 14 2018 10:06 vult wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 09:52 travis wrote: just went back to watch the reynor-special games
reynor is really good, wow. im interested to see how he does against serral. He really did a thorough job vs Special. Not quite a bop but just cerebral and dominant play. Serral vs Reynor promises to be one of the most andticipated series of the year, and one of the most interesting storylines we’ve had in a long time. I’m really excited for the match because if Serral wins, he further solidifies his place at the top of foreign SC2 History. If Reynor wins, he topples the king and will likely tear through Heromarine/uThermal to the finals in his FIRST try. Just like making GSL Code S in his FIRST try Royal Roader in the making
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laranjito could never beat Reynor the goat
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Really thought Scarlett was going to take down the champ in Ro16. I feel real bad for her as Serral v Scarlett could certainly have been a final matchup rather than Ro16 matchup.
Reynor v Serral should be a good series. Would love to see Reynor take down Serral but as I've watched with Serral and Neeb last couple of years it usually takes the up and comers a couple of tourneys to learn how to handle the big stage. So I'm betting on Serral. I'd love to see a Neeb v Serral final. Neeb has not been as dominant last 6-12 months, but he has shown well in this tourney. Would be a great final.
Hope uThermal can move onto semi's. The semi alone will skip him up into a top 8 position for WCS standings where he can qualify for Blizzcon. And Nerchio is the old school awesome salty pro, but I'd love Has to move into semi's. Has is awesome.
My predictions Serral 3-1 Reynor uThermal 3-0 HeroMarine Neeb 3-2 ShowTime Has 3-1 Nerchio
Serral 3-0 uThermal Neeb 3-1 Has
Serral 4-1 Neeb
Hate to admit it, but I don't think Neeb can take down Serral at the moment.
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My predictions Serral 3-2 Reynor uThermal 1-3 HeroMarine Neeb 3-1 ShowTime Has 1-3 Nerchio
Serral 3-1 HeroMarine Neeb 3-0 Nerchio
Serral 4-2 Neeb
But I hope I'm wrong and Reynor wins against Serral, if this should happen he'll have a good chance at beating HeroMarine/uThermal and a 50% chance to beat neeb.
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Honestly, the fans win no matter who wins in Serral vs. Reynor. Can't wait!
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