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On August 10 2008 19:12 tracer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 19:10 Nintu wrote:On August 10 2008 19:08 RowdierBob wrote: All-in is an all or nothing strat.
Either you win or you don't. 2 hatch muta is a standard zerg build =/ You can't be that literal with the term. 95% of the community consider a 5-pool to be an "all-in" build, when in reality, it depends how much damage you do with the lings. In the community, the term is usually used to describe a very risky build, where you rely on a certain strategy to work, where if it is countered effectively, you're screwed, as apposed to playing standard and safe. Well, I think it's safe to say a 5pool will ALWAYS be an all-in build. How much damage you do with the lings really determines whether you're all-in worked or not (all or nothing), not whether if its an all-in or not.
---- July vs BeSt? 5 pool -> into a 'semi-standart' game i would say?
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I was hoping there'd be a TL shoutout right there.
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On August 10 2008 19:13 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 19:09 OneOther wrote:On August 10 2008 19:08 AttackZerg wrote: I love JD, but he isn't doing that awesome, flash is playing purely stupid. His passion/zeal for bw is over. He is washed up.
symphony people 2 rax 14 nexus ... and people 14 nexus pvp? .... I had no clue definitely a little premature to say flash lost passion for BW. He is the one that made Mutas sucks ZvT, with his turret placement + macro timming, he is the one that made carriers suck PvT, yet he can't do anything other then fuck up anymore. Its very sad, but his passion must be gone to drop so quickly. He is the first terran Savior imo. There is clearly something wrong with Flash nowadays, but I feel its just that his greediness got out of hand and he tries perfecting his build more and more and actually making it just more vulnerable.
I think the same happened to savior, who started making hive earlier and earlier and it got out of hand, too.
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Losing to ForGG so brutally really reignited Jaedong's ZvT.
That series he goes 3 hatch mutas every game and gets destroyed, and he redesigns his builds to this more aggressive strategy that puts him up 2-0.
I seriously think it would be a lot closer if Jaedong hadn't played ForGG in MSL finals.
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On August 10 2008 19:14 deverlight wrote: I was hoping there'd be a TL shoutout right there.
me too T_T
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On August 10 2008 19:10 StrikeFLOW wrote: A Flash Slump.
You heard it here first. Flash doesn't slump. Every player that beats him just becomes ridiculously good for that one game, and then they return back to how they normally play (unless they face Flash again).
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On August 10 2008 19:13 Rucky wrote: Jeadong did not commit to an all-in. He just responded to the situation. He picked off many scvs and marines and decided he can win this so he did. If the situation was bad for him he would have expanded while containing with the mutas. It was all on the situation and how his harass turned out. He was not doing an all-in guys...
Yep, hes a monster
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thedeadhaji
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On August 10 2008 19:11 blagoonga123 wrote: I have to say, I like Tasteless' viewpoints much better than this forum's. I prefer to think of Jaedong as being good rather than flash being bad. Especially since flash will still roll all (most) of us 100% of the time.
that's b/c the majority of the pple posting are retards.
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thedeadhaji
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game 3 on katrina. jaedong at 9 flash at 6.
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On August 10 2008 19:14 Gustav_Wind wrote: Losing to ForGG so brutally really reignited Jaedong's ZvT.
That series he goes 3 hatch mutas every game and gets destroyed, and he redesigns his builds to this more aggressive strategy that puts him up 2-0.
I seriously think it would be a lot closer if Jaedong hadn't played ForGG in MSL finals.
No Jaedong just practiced with FoRGG all day and night and figured that if he can beat someone that 3-0ed him, he would be able to beat Flash quite easily.
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The real surprise is that Jaedong doesn't do this more often. His Muta control is godlike and if the Terran insists on fast expanding then he should go for this strategy because he's going to win most of the time.
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On August 10 2008 19:14 k0ziol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 19:12 tracer wrote:On August 10 2008 19:10 Nintu wrote:On August 10 2008 19:08 RowdierBob wrote: All-in is an all or nothing strat.
Either you win or you don't. 2 hatch muta is a standard zerg build =/ You can't be that literal with the term. 95% of the community consider a 5-pool to be an "all-in" build, when in reality, it depends how much damage you do with the lings. In the community, the term is usually used to describe a very risky build, where you rely on a certain strategy to work, where if it is countered effectively, you're screwed, as apposed to playing standard and safe. Well, I think it's safe to say a 5pool will ALWAYS be an all-in build. How much damage you do with the lings really determines whether you're all-in worked or not (all or nothing), not whether if its an all-in or not. ---- July vs BeSt? 5 pool -> into a 'semi-standart' game i would say?
With two proxy gateways, July denying access to Best's natural completely, and Best gging after losing his zealots?
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close spawn oo here we go.
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Jaedong is so good that his all-ins are not all in
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thedeadhaji
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jaedong sends first ol to 12. 2nd going towards 6.
flash depot at wall, rax at all.
jaedong 12 hatch at back, and sends out TWO drones to scout, to 12 and 6.
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On August 10 2008 19:12 tracer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 19:10 Nintu wrote:On August 10 2008 19:08 RowdierBob wrote: All-in is an all or nothing strat.
Either you win or you don't. 2 hatch muta is a standard zerg build =/ You can't be that literal with the term. 95% of the community consider a 5-pool to be an "all-in" build, when in reality, it depends how much damage you do with the lings. In the community, the term is usually used to describe a very risky build, where you rely on a certain strategy to work, where if it is countered effectively, you're screwed, as apposed to playing standard and safe. Well, I think it's safe to say a 5pool will ALWAYS be an all-in build. How much damage you do with the lings really determines whether you're all-in worked or not (all or nothing), not whether if its an all-in or not.
If you're that ridiculous with the terminology, 1-fact into fast expand in TvP is an all-in, in the sense of, if it works, you win, if it fails, you lose... You can't realistically use that term like that. Instead of getting caught up in semantics and junk, let's just agree that his build was relying on the muta harass to end the game, something which you don't normally rely on. In that sense, it was a risky gambit relying on 1 tactic alone, with no room for failing. In that sense, I consider it an "all-in."
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Seriously, Flash cannot be expecting a lurker build. Do it JD!
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On August 10 2008 19:15 WindCalibur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 19:14 Gustav_Wind wrote: Losing to ForGG so brutally really reignited Jaedong's ZvT.
That series he goes 3 hatch mutas every game and gets destroyed, and he redesigns his builds to this more aggressive strategy that puts him up 2-0.
I seriously think it would be a lot closer if Jaedong hadn't played ForGG in MSL finals. No Jaedong just practiced with FoRGG all day and night and figured that if he can beat someone that 3-0ed him, he would be able to beat Flash quite easily.
Yes, but SC isn't a "A beats B, B beats C so A beats C" kind of game.
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On August 10 2008 19:14 k0ziol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2008 19:12 tracer wrote:On August 10 2008 19:10 Nintu wrote:On August 10 2008 19:08 RowdierBob wrote: All-in is an all or nothing strat.
Either you win or you don't. 2 hatch muta is a standard zerg build =/ You can't be that literal with the term. 95% of the community consider a 5-pool to be an "all-in" build, when in reality, it depends how much damage you do with the lings. In the community, the term is usually used to describe a very risky build, where you rely on a certain strategy to work, where if it is countered effectively, you're screwed, as apposed to playing standard and safe. Well, I think it's safe to say a 5pool will ALWAYS be an all-in build. How much damage you do with the lings really determines whether you're all-in worked or not (all or nothing), not whether if its an all-in or not. ---- July vs BeSt? 5 pool -> into a 'semi-standart' game i would say?
I was just gonna say that. =D
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