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That for sure was a hard PR...
I mean: If you would have done this yesterday Bisu most probably would be Nr. 1? He dropped cause of games the others have not played yet?
As for the rest... I agree but expect this to look WAY diffrent next month/ after the OSL qualification/MSL round....
Btw: I would have put Skyhigh on 10 but i completly forgot about Hwasin ^^. Can't argue with Hwasins results...
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Aha! It's finally here!
I won't say I agree with every above placement but my god, Steve, you sure know how to put on a show. I've never read a more entertaining PR. Thank you!
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On January 16 2009 00:52 arbiter_md wrote: You are just wrong. Should have kept Bisu for no.1 and wait one month until decide who deserves this spot.
huh?
it would have been better to have Leta as no.1
though the others except for yarnc are fine
i dont think he deserved to be there
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On January 16 2009 01:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 00:58 Sunyveil wrote: yeah Jangbi basically got a free pass to the semis. He only played PvT on really bad maps for terran, and BackHo forfeited, even though Jangbi was about to lose. For this to be true, BackHo would have to be some sort of good player, which he is not. Stork losing that series is not a credit to Backho, it's a scar on Stork's hide. Backho is fucking TERRIBLE. We are talking about a player who has been hyped up by certain people on TL and yet still can't win more than half of his games. people arent really serious when they say backho would.. .. win games are they? i thought it was just a big running joke.
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Good job putting Leta that high, he deserve it.
I think Best could had been a spot or 2 better .. at least over Strok but still ok
I'm still Jangbi wtf :D, I woudl gave the #1 to Leta but since Jangbi did beat Leta.. I guess it's ok also
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On January 16 2009 01:01 arbiter_md wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 00:55 Pioneer wrote:Leta & Hwasin and arbiter_md did you even watch Bisu getting crushed in MSL/OSL? He went from being the best PvZer to a guy getting raped by a slumping Savior, a bad ZvPer, and a no name (all 3 Z) and bitching about maps. I love Bisu but after that whole string of events he should be lucky to be where he is on the PR ;/. Yes, I watched the games and they certainly have not been good. But putting for nr. 1 a guy who didn't face any challenge this month is just wrong. Bisu could have been kept there just because he was there last time, and nobody deserves that spot. Or, even better would have been to let that spot empty. You gotta be kidding me -.-
Theres is no imaginable way whatsoever that could justify keeping Bisu at 1, when he goes 0-2 in each of the first rounds of OSL and MSL. Just no way.
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On January 16 2009 01:00 baubo wrote: I think I'm even more surprised at Leta coming out of nowhere to be #2 than Jangbi at #1, since Jangbi's been playing at top 5 level for several months now. Also surprised that Free dropped out and Hwasin dropped in. Yarnc I can almost understand. But I thought if you're going to put in another terran, ForGG and Mind seems to make more sense.
Anyway, this is an "in-between" month anyway. Next month, everyone starts playing in the MSL/OSL, we'll truly see who's top notch. But IMO, Bisu has nowhere to go but down unless he wins GOM, because getting kicked out of Ro36/Ro32 in the major starleagues just doesn't cut it.
fOrGG and Mind were candidates, but after watching their last five games each, and then watching Hwasin's games, the choice was clear. If this was a month ago, you'd certainly be correct.
And free, yeah. I debated a lot of different things with myself about free, but in the end the gameplay just doesn't match the ranking. It did last month, because he played quite a few notable matches, but this month he's just been a run-of-the-mill second-rate protoss, save his win over Mind. But again, Mind shouldn't be ranked, so how can I reward free for beating him if he loses to even lesser players?
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hopefully firebathero makes it far in this msl and up the PR.
FBH FOR PR #1
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So Stork's loss in GOM was to BackHo... so what? You talk a lot about looking at how someone lost rather than just taking the results at face value, but you seem to just ignore that sometimes and berate players for losing to certain other players that you think suck. Now, I'm not really going to debate that BackHo doesn't suck, cause well, he does, but he played his balls off in that series and managed to play exceptional PvP in a Bo3. If there was something more to Stork's placement, fine, then say it, but don't cut a dude 4 places for losing a tight match with someone who was playing a great match.
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On January 16 2009 01:03 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 01:01 arbiter_md wrote:On January 16 2009 00:55 Pioneer wrote:Leta & Hwasin and arbiter_md did you even watch Bisu getting crushed in MSL/OSL? He went from being the best PvZer to a guy getting raped by a slumping Savior, a bad ZvPer, and a no name (all 3 Z) and bitching about maps. I love Bisu but after that whole string of events he should be lucky to be where he is on the PR ;/. Yes, I watched the games and they certainly have not been good. But putting for nr. 1 a guy who didn't face any challenge this month is just wrong. Bisu could have been kept there just because he was there last time, and nobody deserves that spot. Or, even better would have been to let that spot empty. You gotta be kidding me -.- Theres is no imaginable way whatsoever that could justify keeping Bisu at 1, when he goes 0-2 in each of the first rounds of OSL and MSL. Just no way.
He did win *one* game, I was just being mean to make a point.
That point is: what the hell, Bisu?
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Dang...I thought Bisu was dominating too much that a few losses wouldn't kick him off the #1 throne, i guess not
Where is Kal on the PR btw? The guy had a few losses but he has been performing well lately
PR is becoming way too fickle, surprised to see someone who wasn't even on the PR last month become #2, even though Leta was doing very good last month too
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Okay,so obviously,when things are unclear you just put Hwasin or Sea on the list. I already expressed my disgust for Jangbi being no1 in the last PR. Bisu shouldn't be o1,obviously,but 5 is a little low after his great month. And try to write something accurately. Bisu beat Magma. So he is not without win. I am just curious what will be your reaction when Jagnbi loses against Flash in the All-kill Proleague and gets eliminated from the MSL. And I now I have sworn this already,but this is truly the last time I post in a PR made by you. I want Oneother back.
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On January 16 2009 01:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 01:03 Carnac wrote:On January 16 2009 01:01 arbiter_md wrote:On January 16 2009 00:55 Pioneer wrote:Leta & Hwasin and arbiter_md did you even watch Bisu getting crushed in MSL/OSL? He went from being the best PvZer to a guy getting raped by a slumping Savior, a bad ZvPer, and a no name (all 3 Z) and bitching about maps. I love Bisu but after that whole string of events he should be lucky to be where he is on the PR ;/. Yes, I watched the games and they certainly have not been good. But putting for nr. 1 a guy who didn't face any challenge this month is just wrong. Bisu could have been kept there just because he was there last time, and nobody deserves that spot. Or, even better would have been to let that spot empty. You gotta be kidding me -.- Theres is no imaginable way whatsoever that could justify keeping Bisu at 1, when he goes 0-2 in each of the first rounds of OSL and MSL. Just no way. He did win *one* game, I was just being mean to make a point. That point is: what the hell, Bisu? Silly me.
Anyway - I was expecting him to drop out of either MSL or OSL early for some reason, but this... seriously
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On January 16 2009 01:07 Mogwai wrote: So Stork's loss in GOM was to BackHo... so what? You talk a lot about looking at how someone lost rather than just taking the results at face value, but you seem to just ignore that sometimes and berate players for losing to certain other players that you think suck. Now, I'm not really going to debate that BackHo doesn't suck, cause well, he does, but he played his balls off in that series and managed to play exceptional PvP in a Bo3. If there was something more to Stork's placement, fine, then say it, but don't cut a dude 4 places for losing a tight match with someone who was playing a great match.
Hmmm
If you really think it was a close series with good player from both sides, I can understand your concern. I watched the games a few times trying to figure out what I was watching, because in my eyes it was some seriously poor play fom both sides. I wouldn't base the PR off name value alone
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On January 16 2009 01:01 arbiter_md wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 00:55 Pioneer wrote:Leta & Hwasin and arbiter_md did you even watch Bisu getting crushed in MSL/OSL? He went from being the best PvZer to a guy getting raped by a slumping Savior, a bad ZvPer, and a no name (all 3 Z) and bitching about maps. I love Bisu but after that whole string of events he should be lucky to be where he is on the PR ;/. Yes, I watched the games and they certainly have not been good. But putting for nr. 1 a guy who didn't face any challenge this month is just wrong. Bisu could have been kept there just because he was there last time, and nobody deserves that spot. Or, even better would have been to let that spot empty. What? JangBi played much better and won more than Bisu did so he moved up regardless of the opponents he played and Bisu played much worse opponents than JangBi did since the last PR.
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On January 16 2009 01:08 Darth Peter wrote: Okay,so obviously,when things are unclear you just put Hwasin or Sea on the list. I already expressed my disgust for Jangbi being no1 in the last PR. Bisu shouldn't be o1,obviously,but 5 is a little low after his great month. And try to write something accurately. Bisu beat Magma. So he is not without win. I am just curious what will be your reaction when Jagnbi loses against Flash in the All-kill Proleague and gets eliminated from the MSL. And I now I have sworn this already,but this is truly the last time I post in a PR made by you. I want Oneother back.
Great!
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Good PR, the only change I would make would probably be replacing Yarnc with Effort.
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I'm completely baffled by this ranking. Jangbi? You say Flash hasn't played well against good opponents except Bisu... but the only other good players he's played are Jaedong (0-1), Stork (0-1), and that's it. He's had one other loss and that was against Horrang2.
Jangbi's played fewer games and his loses are to Shine[kaL], fantasy, and Effort. Why is Jangbi even ahead of Jaedong? Sure Jaedong has looked shaky, but he's also beaten the bloody pulp out of several good players.
Leta I could buy, but Jangbi... nope.
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should have put savior on 10 for beating bisu... honestly I dislike how people are saying that "bisu lost" this game rather than acknowledging the fact that savior won it. Bisu played good but Savior played better. He played absolutely great with his speedling attack at a very unique timing and his drop heavy follow-up, avoiding bisus beastly army until elimination. The game against zero bisu sucked I gotta admit that, but against savior he played good. Savior just outplayed him and did all the necessary moves, observer snipes at the right time, shuttle snipes and the right attacking choices. Sure he had some luck as well, but overall he won in a great zvp against a great opponent.
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