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Wow, FS is actually answering the comments correctly instead of trashtalking like he usually does when the PR is more obvious. Thank you! The thread is much more interesting this way although a little less fun. But Jangbi topping the TLnet PR is enough fun already, haha that's so sick I still can't believe it.
About the actual ranking, I wouldn't have chosen Jangbi for #1 objectively, but I like the feeling it conveys : "the progaming scene right now is a mess, everybody performed randomly this month => Jangbi #1 even if he didn't achieve anything big".
Savior appearing in the CNBC would be fucking sick and I would be so happy, but at the same time I really think he doesn't deserve it yet.
Pro-gaming is hectic but really interesting right now. It looks like we are at many crossroads. Is Bisu going to slump after being destroyed in his legendary matchup? Where is Flash heading? Are Jaedong and the new zerg hopes going to break the Protoss domination? Are queens going to become standard in ZvT? Do the PL performers Best, Leta, Jangbi have what it takes to grab an individual league title? Are Oov, MJY and Boxer going to make a comeback? So many answers to come in the next few months, I'm so excited.
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For ever and ever and ever I've mostly agreed with the power ranks since its introduction, but this has to be the first time where I completely, ferociously disagere with more or less every single spot on the PR. Leta's position seems to be to be the only truly justified position on the chart (besides the less important ones, such as BeSt being nr 7 and FBH being nr 8). It's a fresh iniative, and a just one. The guy's been nothing but impressive for a very long time and had his acknowledgment coming.
This has to be said though; 4 days ago you'd put Bisu at the top calling anyone a tard for thinking otherwise. He then shows up to play a handful of vZ games, use his old, predictive build and gets completely read by his opponents while not showing capacity to innovate his play. Result: His harass utterly fails and the very pillar his vZ builds on collapses and his matches along with it. Therefore he's now suddenly not a force to be reckoned with, despite his latest vT and vP performances being absolute clinics? As soon as he gets to analyze his play and recover mentally, I don't think there's any reason why his play shouldn't go back to the multitasking machinery that's been his trademark over the past month.
While the same arguments could work in Stork's defense, the man has actually been slipping, although I think some of his later games (f.e. vs Sea) could have gone completely the other way.
That being said, I think Jangbi would be smashed by each and every single one of the 4 people directly below him on this rank in a BO5 and I'd be willing to bet signifant amount of money on it.
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On January 17 2009 10:22 GinNtoniC wrote: For ever and ever and ever I've mostly agreed with the power ranks since its introduction, but this has to be the first time where I completely, ferociously disagere with more or less every single spot on the PR. Leta's position seems to be to be the only truly justified position on the chart (besides the less important ones, such as BeSt being nr 7 and FBH being nr 8). It's a fresh iniative, and a just one. The guy's been nothing but impressive for a very long time and had his acknowledgment coming.
This has to be said though; 4 days ago you'd put Bisu at the top calling anyone a tard for thinking otherwise. He then shows up to play a handful of vZ games, use his old, predictive build and gets completely read by his opponents while not showing capacity to innovate his play. Result: His harass utterly fails and the very pillar his vZ builds on collapses and his matches along with it. Therefore he's now suddenly not a force to be reckoned with, despite his latest vT and vP performances being absolute clinics? As soon as he gets to analyze his play and recover mentally, I don't think there's any reason why his play shouldn't go back to the multitasking machinery that's been his trademark over the past month.
While the same arguments could work in Stork's defense, the man has actually been slipping, although I think some of his later games (f.e. vs Sea) could have gone completely the other way.
That being said, I think Jangbi would be smashed by each and every single one of the 4 people directly below him on this rank in a BO5 and I'd be willing to bet signifant amount of money on it.
if jangbi vs leta happens, i bet you a hundred dollars, paypal
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I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying that Jangbi doesn't have what it takes to win it all. Stork swears that he's the best Khan player. His PvT and PvZ are as good as any player around. His PvP may be shaky, but he will avoid the best PvPer right now in Bisu and Best in the MSL.
If anything, I say Jangbi has as good a shot to win the MSL as anyone right now.
On January 17 2009 10:22 GinNtoniC wrote: For ever and ever and ever I've mostly agreed with the power ranks since its introduction, but this has to be the first time where I completely, ferociously disagere with more or less every single spot on the PR. Leta's position seems to be to be the only truly justified position on the chart (besides the less important ones, such as BeSt being nr 7 and FBH being nr 8). It's a fresh iniative, and a just one. The guy's been nothing but impressive for a very long time and had his acknowledgment coming.
This has to be said though; 4 days ago you'd put Bisu at the top calling anyone a tard for thinking otherwise. He then shows up to play a handful of vZ games, use his old, predictive build and gets completely read by his opponents while not showing capacity to innovate his play. Result: His harass utterly fails and the very pillar his vZ builds on collapses and his matches along with it. Therefore he's now suddenly not a force to be reckoned with, despite his latest vT and vP performances being absolute clinics? As soon as he gets to analyze his play and recover mentally, I don't think there's any reason why his play shouldn't go back to the multitasking machinery that's been his trademark over the past month.
While the same arguments could work in Stork's defense, the man has actually been slipping, although I think some of his later games (f.e. vs Sea) could have gone completely the other way.
That being said, I think Jangbi would be smashed by each and every single one of the 4 people directly below him on this rank in a BO5 and I'd be willing to bet signifant amount of money on it.
There seems to be a lot less Leta hate than Jangbi hate to be put over the holy-trinity of Flash/Jaedong/Bisu. Yet Leta is basically Jangbi w/o the pedigree. They both roll over mediocre opponents and never met strong ones... Well, except once. Jangbi and Leta met each. The result was somewhat onesided to say the least.
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I still think the best players are: bisu flash jaedong stork jangbi and best..
Good but not the best: firebathero leta kal effort free, maybe mind, skyhigh, upmagic and yellow also.
this is based on intuition though, and not on pure results. I think any of the top players would beat any of the bottom players in a BO5.
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FS will the CNBC be up anytime soon? I'm looking forward to seeing what you write for Savior and skyhigh.
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On January 17 2009 10:22 GinNtoniC wrote: For ever and ever and ever I've mostly agreed with the power ranks since its introduction, but this has to be the first time where I completely, ferociously disagere with more or less every single spot on the PR. Leta's position seems to be to be the only truly justified position on the chart (besides the less important ones, such as BeSt being nr 7 and FBH being nr 8). It's a fresh iniative, and a just one. The guy's been nothing but impressive for a very long time and had his acknowledgment coming.
This has to be said though; 4 days ago you'd put Bisu at the top calling anyone a tard for thinking otherwise. He then shows up to play a handful of vZ games, use his old, predictive build and gets completely read by his opponents while not showing capacity to innovate his play. Result: His harass utterly fails and the very pillar his vZ builds on collapses and his matches along with it. Therefore he's now suddenly not a force to be reckoned with, despite his latest vT and vP performances being absolute clinics? As soon as he gets to analyze his play and recover mentally, I don't think there's any reason why his play shouldn't go back to the multitasking machinery that's been his trademark over the past month.
While the same arguments could work in Stork's defense, the man has actually been slipping, although I think some of his later games (f.e. vs Sea) could have gone completely the other way.
That being said, I think Jangbi would be smashed by each and every single one of the 4 people directly below him on this rank in a BO5 and I'd be willing to bet signifant amount of money on it.
I wanted to write down my own opinion but he has done it before, thanks. I saved a lot of time
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I guess the one for this power rank is consistency and I do agree with Jangbi being number for it..
he has done very well consistently...
but honestly...
I see only Jangbi and Leta being consistent and everyone else kinda going back and forth....
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I think Bisu transformed into Bizzaro-Bisu at some point, but I'm not sure when. At one point, he was invincible in PvZ, good PvP, but his PvT was suspect. But now, Bisu has been plowing through Terrans and Protosses, but losese to almost every Zerg he faces. WTF Bisu
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Spoilers on the latest Khan vs KTF game. + Show Spoiler +Luxury all killed Khan, and took out their three best players. Let's hope he keeps this up.
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consistency isn`t enough for #1 spot in the PR,imho...it may be enough for #2 but not#1 JangBi isn`t the most powerful starcraft player atm...if it`s hard to decide who is the most powerful, u could've just put at the #1 spot a player who might be.
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glad to see hwasin on PR again.
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Spoiler for KTF vs Khan + Show Spoiler +If the PR was made today Luxury would've gotten at least 7th spot. I didn't see today's games but 4-0ing Khan is no joke.
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I wonder how the all-kill format will affect the PR.
Unless you are the first player you don't get to prepare for a specific opponent/race like you usually get to. That changes the game a lot, IMO.
If one team is particularly deep (read: STX Soul) then perhaps their coaches prepare certain players (read: Probably July) on one or two specific maps against a certain opponent. If the situation comes up then you snipe them, if not then that player doesn't have to play.
This could have huge implications. It's tough to beat a well-prepared opponent when you aren't able to prepare yourself.
Now that that's said, I think the KTF mascot might find it's way onto the next power ranking.
SKT's mascot should be considered for this PR's CBNC.
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The twins are puting the hurt on the compatition . I'm expecting them to split OSL and MSL and a tie for next month #1 spot at PR
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How come some names are with clantag, while others are not?
example:
Stork[gm]
Bisu
I can understand when it come to people having the same name as another, for example yellow[arnc]...
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What the fuck. Jangbi has looked like shit recently, so I'm not really sure what game you are watching. He backed into the GOM semis, isn't even in the OSL, and his recent PL games have been pretty much shit. I'm not sure where you found the nerve to call him more consistent than Leta (who really should be #1), but whatever floats your boat.
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On January 18 2009 02:05 KnightOfNi wrote: What the fuck. Jangbi has looked like shit recently, so I'm not really sure what game you are watching. He backed into the GOM semis, isn't even in the OSL, and his recent PL games have been pretty much shit. I'm not sure where you found the nerve to call him more consistent than Leta (who really should be #1), but whatever floats your boat.
What? Are you watching the same games? Jangbi went 8-2 in the time of the PR, and guess who Jangbi won against in that time? Leta and the game was a complete rape.
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On January 17 2009 16:21 Sentenal wrote: I think Bisu transformed into Bizzaro-Bisu at some point, but I'm not sure when. At one point, he was invincible in PvZ, good PvP, but his PvT was suspect. But now, Bisu has been plowing through Terrans and Protosses, but losese to almost every Zerg he faces. WTF Bisu
I agree.. but it's very hard to be dominant at all three matchups at once. Or rather.. most of the terran and protoss and even the zerg greats are good against one or two opponents... yet they have the third race that they have dropoff against. Boxer's was toss, I guess you could say saviors was zerg, bisu was mediocre at vP and vT but now he did flip it around. Stork was horrible at vZ but great at vT and vP. There's a lot of examples because I think they require different play styles or something like that.
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If someone is dominating a matchup its pretty logical that he sooner or later will suck at it unless he changes his style since obviously people are going to find counters for it. Sometimes however if someone is dominating a matchup by playing like the others, just better than everyone else, he will most likely dominate for a while. Like jaedong zvz.
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