Go for the base, go for the base lings!!!!
We can make it, right?
2 port scouted!
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
Go for the base, go for the base lings!!!! We can make it, right? 2 port scouted! | ||
Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17709 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
though he came way earlier then you seem to recommend, he seemed to fAvOr your strategy to a tee. mostly hydra, mix with ling+mut- and just walked on him. couldnt help but think of this as i watched it, and savior scouted mech. :D | ||
skindzer
Chile5113 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Bloodwolf
Costa Rica32 Posts
And yes, you do sound like Dr. Cox lol. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Just shows you that lurkers can still be useful vs mech. And tech switching is possible if you use them to delay long enough. http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=7589&name=SpoR vs gosucomputer.rep PS- Nydus Flank FTW! | ||
wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
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neliel
Sweden63 Posts
Just uploaded it. Tell me if you want his other audio aswell. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On March 13 2009 18:13 wurm wrote: Is there any way I can download this? I want to listen to this on the go. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89581 | ||
Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i'm always like "why don't they follow day[9]'s advice and go hydras??" why zergs, why? | ||
B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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Ty2
United States1431 Posts
That said, I really don't think transitioning to hydras versus a mech switch is bad at all. Coupled with dark swarm Hydras can prove capable of standing up to strong siege tank lines. The mech switch isn't something I can confidently say I have an answer to myself. One reason why a Zerg will continue pursuing an ultraling composition is because they were already researching melee upgrades so they may as well make units that continue to capitalize on that tech. The way of playing against mech is really technical I feel like, not as simple as some would view at face value where Zerg seems like they just lose. Here's a beautiful game of Jaedong vs. Fantasy that comes to mind where he displays excellent macromanagement of unit composition in the face of mech: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/61069_FanTaSy_vs_Jaedong/vod He exploits the early late game for as long as he can with ultraling but then transitions to hydras later. Jaedong displayed absolutely great unit composition switches and amazing execution in engagements to really starve out Fantasy. Even though Jaedong showed a great instance of defeating late game mech there just isn't anything quite conclusive to combating the style for zergs consistently nowadays. edit: I just watched the VOD. Amazing execution by Jaedong, he displayed the patience of Buddha in meticulously picking apart the Terran slowly towards the end. | ||
VHbb
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
On June 12 2016 06:06 Crunchums wrote: i feel like every single ZvT FPVOD I watch where the terran mech switches, the zerg always goes for ultras and loses horribly. e.g. + Show Spoiler + i'm always like "why don't they follow day[9]'s advice and go hydras??" why zergs, why? since this is a simple question, i give you simple answers: 1. mech =/= late mech 2. zerg players are bad, but zero surprised me this game by playing slightly smarter than usual.... | ||
Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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Ty2
United States1431 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:16 Espers wrote: The advice isn't so relevant today, it was back when mech first builds were in vogue (Fantasy build, vulture expand, 2 fac speed vults etc). Versus that early Hydras into mass Hydra/Muta is king for defending the early harassment, crushing the early pushes and causing them trouble as they expand, but versus the late game mech switch Hydras are terrible. I actually do think this advice is still relevant. I think most Zerg players nowadays I play against using Terran mech are absolutely clueless as to what to even make so their whole play is in disarray. Day9 emphasized, if I remember correctly, to just have a lot of shit to kill Terran. That's the whole secret of the playing vs. Mech. Zerg by default is going to have more economy than a meching Terran so having a large army shouldn't be a problem. There are also a lot of instances of Zergs going for the hydra switch vs. the mech switch during the Kespa era. Even now we've seen Effort go for the Hydra switch alongside Queens to counter mech, so saying that hydras are bad is too simple of an answer. In addition, I want to make a counterpoint to what Bakuryu is saying. I don't really think zergs are bad, and if they are I would like to see some evidence and certain points about what exactly makes them bad. I think it's very hard to understand the perspective of the progamer until you've attained their skill in order to know exactly how difficult the hurdles of playing vs. the late game mech switch are. Sure, simple things based on theory that seem plausible at first sound like they can be done, but in application the idea might be a whole different story. Edit: There was also some thread talking about how Fighting Spirit might be imbalanced. The original poster put up the evidence that if Zergs were doing poorly against Terrans in general based on FS map statistics, wouldn't that be the same for all of the other maps as well? Surprisingly, the poster found that Zergs were going one to one with Terran players on the other maps. Also, if you watch a lot of Flash I think he's just dominating right now, not really indicative of an entire race dominating, just an individual player really making his race look good. | ||
AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
I think Air Carapace Upgrade is a must. Not only must your Mutas be able to tank Goliaths, you'll have to be doing a lot of doom drops or drops on top of Siege Tanks. Burrow is also underrated. You can save a lot of drones whenever the mech army steamrolls through your bases. Rather than butt heads with the army, I like to just give up the less important bases, doom drop to take out the Terran's production, and then throw endless waves of units against the army. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
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