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On April 17 2009 07:14 micronesia wrote: In a casino you never play craps against noobs... in case you were wondering. Even if noobs come to your table they don't affect your winnings XD you serious? then i might give this game a try
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Hot throwing streaks in Vegas on a packed table is soooooooo cool! Craps is so fun, but oh so expensive At least they comp you a free room for playing it
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I've wanted to learn how to play Craps but I've been too lazy. Thanks a lot for the guide.
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On April 17 2009 13:30 EsX_Raptor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 07:14 micronesia wrote: In a casino you never play craps against noobs... in case you were wondering. Even if noobs come to your table they don't affect your winnings XD you serious? then i might give this game a try Most table games are vs the dealer. The other players are just playing at the same time as you.
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On April 17 2009 14:08 Durak wrote: I've wanted to learn how to play Craps but I've been too lazy. Thanks a lot for the guide.
Actually once you read on how to play, you will realize how easy it is.
Edit: And fun as well.
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I see no one is jumping on my "Guys and Dolls" reference
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On April 19 2009 16:07 cgrinker wrote:I see no one is jumping on my "Guys and Dolls" reference Maybe if you had said "longest established permanent floating crap game in New York" or something like that :p
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YO elevin!! (i love craps)
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It took me so long to realize that my casino software was saying 'yo' because it means 11 haha.
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On April 17 2009 07:14 heyoka wrote: With any number of counting/tracking/sequencing/etc/etc techniques you can flip that I guess but the hours you would have to put in combined with the chance of actually pulling it off in the modern era, craps is still probably a better bet Your odds in craps are... crap. Compared to Blackjack, at least. You're even better off playing Roulette than you are playing playing craps.
Me? I play the stockmarket. Much better odds there
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On April 25 2009 06:06 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 07:14 heyoka wrote: With any number of counting/tracking/sequencing/etc/etc techniques you can flip that I guess but the hours you would have to put in combined with the chance of actually pulling it off in the modern era, craps is still probably a better bet Your odds in craps are... crap. Compared to Blackjack, at least. You're even better off playing Roulette than you are playing playing craps. Er this is completely wrong.
The house advantage in roulette is nearly 5% whereas pass line bets and odds bets combine to less than 1%.
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On April 25 2009 06:39 micronesia wrote: The house advantage in roulette is nearly 5% whereas pass line bets and odds bets combine to less than 1%. House advantage in roulette is less than 3%, unless you're playing the crappy version with 38 pockets on the wheel.
I'll agree that some bets in craps have better odds than that after looking it up, but still not as good as blackjack.
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Craps - A Beginner's Guide:
Don't play it.
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Craps - An Expert's Guide:
Don't play it.
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hahaha the problem with craps is that even with a 5 dollar pass or come bet, in order to reduce the house edge to something managable you have to put up $15, $20, $25 dollars on your odds bets and your money can go fast
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On April 25 2009 23:10 KOFgokuon wrote: hahaha the problem with craps is that even with a 5 dollar pass or come bet, in order to reduce the house edge to something managable you have to put up $15, $20, $25 dollars on your odds bets and your money can go fast Yeah definitely true. You need a lot of money to play craps unfortunately. If only there was a similar version which allowed for smaller amounts of money in a casino.
Getting the odds bets the come bets right so you can pay 6 to 5 and 3 to 2 also limits how little you can bet :-(
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Just for fun on the whole blackjack thing (yes, I'm coming into the discussion late).
If you play blackjack properly with no card counting, the advantage that the house gets is <1% (from my own memory, so that one with a grain of salt).
From wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack ), you get these odds depending on the number of decks
Number of Decks House Advantage Single deck 0.04% Double deck 0.42% Four decks 0.61% Six decks 0.67% Eight decks 0.70%
It's not cited on wikipedia, so I'm not entirely sure where they came up with those numbers. I'm guessing that those are strict probabilities following the best strategy with no card counting.
If you're actually planning on card counting, you can beat the house every single time. However, it's fairly easy for the casino's to spot if you're going to do it on your own.
The basic principle behind card counting is that the more high cards that are left in the "shoe", the better your odds are. so, for example and simplicity, the dealer starts out with a 6 deck shoe (for example) and doesn't shuffle at all. If many of the low cards are burned through the deck in the first 5 decks, and you know that the last 100 or 50 of the cards left in the shoe are all high cards, your chances of beating the house (having the house bust) are extremely high. To a first approximation, you could choose to count only the number of face cards that have passed, and then if your odds are good at the end of the shoe, start betting a ton of money. The problem is that the casino can look at the history of your betting, the history of the cards that have been played, and figure it out pretty easily.
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There are other rules that influence the odds a lot, like blackjack paying 6-5, surrender allowed, dealer stays on soft 17, that sort of thing
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On April 26 2009 12:37 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Just for fun on the whole blackjack thing (yes, I'm coming into the discussion late). If you play blackjack properly with no card counting, the advantage that the house gets is <1% (from my own memory, so that one with a grain of salt). From wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack ), you get these odds depending on the number of decks Number of Decks House Advantage Single deck 0.04% Double deck 0.42% Four decks 0.61% Six decks 0.67% Eight decks 0.70% It's not cited on wikipedia, so I'm not entirely sure where they came up with those numbers. I'm guessing that those are strict probabilities following the best strategy with no card counting. If you're actually planning on card counting, you can beat the house every single time. However, it's fairly easy for the casino's to spot if you're going to do it on your own. The basic principle behind card counting is that the more high cards that are left in the "shoe", the better your odds are. so, for example and simplicity, the dealer starts out with a 6 deck shoe (for example) and doesn't shuffle at all. If many of the low cards are burned through the deck in the first 5 decks, and you know that the last 100 or 50 of the cards left in the shoe are all high cards, your chances of beating the house (having the house bust) are extremely high. To a first approximation, you could choose to count only the number of face cards that have passed, and then if your odds are good at the end of the shoe, start betting a ton of money. The problem is that the casino can look at the history of your betting, the history of the cards that have been played, and figure it out pretty easily.
So what happens if they suspect you're counting cards. Do they take you to the back room and beat you up like in the movie 21?
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On April 27 2009 15:09 lazymej wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2009 12:37 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Just for fun on the whole blackjack thing (yes, I'm coming into the discussion late). If you play blackjack properly with no card counting, the advantage that the house gets is <1% (from my own memory, so that one with a grain of salt). From wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack ), you get these odds depending on the number of decks Number of Decks House Advantage Single deck 0.04% Double deck 0.42% Four decks 0.61% Six decks 0.67% Eight decks 0.70% It's not cited on wikipedia, so I'm not entirely sure where they came up with those numbers. I'm guessing that those are strict probabilities following the best strategy with no card counting. If you're actually planning on card counting, you can beat the house every single time. However, it's fairly easy for the casino's to spot if you're going to do it on your own. The basic principle behind card counting is that the more high cards that are left in the "shoe", the better your odds are. so, for example and simplicity, the dealer starts out with a 6 deck shoe (for example) and doesn't shuffle at all. If many of the low cards are burned through the deck in the first 5 decks, and you know that the last 100 or 50 of the cards left in the shoe are all high cards, your chances of beating the house (having the house bust) are extremely high. To a first approximation, you could choose to count only the number of face cards that have passed, and then if your odds are good at the end of the shoe, start betting a ton of money. The problem is that the casino can look at the history of your betting, the history of the cards that have been played, and figure it out pretty easily. So what happens if they suspect you're counting cards. Do they take you to the back room and beat you up like in the movie 21? lol
Yeah they just kick you out :o
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