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On October 25 2010 14:24 Krigwin wrote:
Completely agree with that guy though that someone should make a full, new engine, faithful recreation of the Fallout/Infinite Engine games. There's some fangroup remaking Baldur's Gate 2 with the Dragon Age toolset, last I heard they were progressing pretty slowly though.
remake BG2 from scratch with a tool? rofl. this will never be finished. and i doubt it its worth it. BG2 might be the best RPG ever made but i doubt you can catch even a glimpse of its awesomness with some tools/in the DA engine.
vegas is pretty damn nice so far. more equip, more lively areas ,less travel and pretty huge options to take evrywhere. got it on sat and already spend like 20 hours on it <.<
some questions tho
1. are party buddys important for story/quests? i really prefer going around alone. always liked the " im the longely stranger that will either kill you and your whole family or help you nicely" feeling in fallout3 and i didnt like how easy some stuff became running around with support. (playing on hard)
2. + Show Spoiler +is the decision what to do with mr house/the chip alredy the "main" turning point? cant decide what to do between taking evrything over myself and helping the different factions. keep doing side quests or go for it now?
3. anyone knows a fix for the vats bluescreen? sometimes after playing for a while when i go into vats a nice bluescreen pops up with a instant reboot following.
oh and if anyone else gets buggy locked out of the strip :+ Show Spoiler +you can workaround by getting a key from the security bots. kill one(emp grenade yay!) loot and run. bit infamy but your game isnt fucked ~
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On October 25 2010 14:24 Krigwin wrote:
Even Tim Cain (guy who made Fallout 1) agrees Fallout 3 was a complete disgrace to the name of Fallout. Which is actually a shame since Fallout 3 wasn't awful, just thoroughly bland, and if it was a completely new IP unrelated to the Fallout series, it probably would've been a lot better in terms of creative freedom, instead of taking a nice steamy dump all over the existing Fallout lore. Now, New Vegas comes a lot closer to Fallout 1-2 than 3 did and is actually a very impressive game - this is what Fallout 3 should've been.
My biggest complaint is that this is what F3 should have been 2 years ago. The engine is really feeling dated - the character models were horrid when F3 came out, never mind now - and it is sooooooo buggy. I like it, I want to love it, but if you look at the Mass Effect series and see how much they could improve their game in ~2 years, it really makes me wonder how much effort Obsidian put into New Vegas.
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Fallout New Vegas is good. Not as good as F1/F2 but definitely much better than F3. The fallout theme is there! This time, there are much more things that you can solve without firing single bullet, compared to F3. It is not the engine/graphics that matter that much, it is the things that pop out once inside the game like... + Show Spoiler +They asked me how much I knew about theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said I am hired. I love Fallout series...
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I got the sniper ally from the village with the dinosaur, after going to one of the casino's they took his gun and mine, after I left the building I obtained his weapon and i cannot return them.
his weapon is a rifle with scope, that I can't use cause i don't have the weirdass bullets it requires, but seems like a nice rifle. But my question is, is there a known way sollution for this?
Also if i give him one of my guns and I tell him to use ranged he'll still run around with a machete(?)
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If its anything like Fallout 3, you can "talk" to your merc/ally, and tell him how you want him to fight. Between melee and ranged, or defensive or offensive (which I wouldnt recommend unless you want him to die/annoy the hell out of you).
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On October 25 2010 19:33 LoveBuzz wrote: My biggest complaint is that this is what F3 should have been 2 years ago. The engine is really feeling dated - the character models were horrid when F3 came out, never mind now - and it is sooooooo buggy. I like it, I want to love it, but if you look at the Mass Effect series and see how much they could improve their game in ~2 years, it really makes me wonder how much effort Obsidian put into New Vegas.
Now, maybe I'm just more skilled in pattern recognition than most, but when I saw this was an Obsidian game, I naturally expected it to have good plot and writing and RPG elements and terrible coding and lots of bugs.
In this case, you even get more advance warning since it uses the awful gamebyro engine and if you played Fallout 3 you should know exactly what to expect. You can't really compare Obsidian with Bioware, who has a history of quality assurance for their games.
Obsidian should really just collaborate with other companies that actually know how to make a good engine and solely do all the writing, but I guess too many of them remember from their Black Isle days exactly how that turned out.
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I don't get where all this Fallout 3 hate is coming from and I probably never will because I thought that game was excellent and I played it to death. From what I've read it seems like more of the same which is honestly fine for me. Also, modding solved many of the bugs/glitches people had in Fallout3.
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FO3 i didn't remember being as broken on release day, although some of their DLC's were lol
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On October 25 2010 08:51 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 08:25 tacrats wrote: Fallout 3 was a big disappointment for me. F1 and F2 were EPIC. F3 was just a shooter with some pretty graphics and slow motion dismemberment for the console kids.
Its really unfortunate that people think games like F3 are amazing. if only they could have experienced some of these older games they would have been blown away and realize how much better the old ones really were, and that these new games never do the originals justice.
People will never go back and play games like baldurs gate/fallout1/2 etc because of the bad graphics and slower turn based gameplay.
If bioware/interplay remade these games with a few adjustments, they would crush every game that has been out in the last 5 years. Especially since the vast majority have never played them. Those games were nothing but gems.
If you play fallout 3 and just play for shooting you're doing it wrong, your suppose to be side questing and reading up on the stories going on in the game. Fallout 3 wasn't about impressive shooting game mechanics but about story and rpg elements, to me Fallout 3 will always be about exploration and adventure not about combat that's always secondary.
i shouldnt have to go out of my way to experience the majority of a game's content. In F1/2 the greatness was always in your face, following you around wherever you go. In f3 i HAVE to do side quests and explore to get the best experience? Sounds wrong to me. The main quest arc was pretty lame you have to admit.
I never said F3 was about shooting. But one of the things they promoted so much was VATS because it looked awesome.
Face it, f3 pales in comparison to its predecessors. The exploration and adventure aspects in f3 are pretty minor. People who find the game so vast and open are people who really haven't experienced other games who do it right. When my friends start freaking out about how awesome Mass effect and fallout were because of their RPG elements, storylines, quests, decisions, etc. im just like... welcome to the 90s...
noobs dont realize its all been done before, and done much better in the past.
At least some people in this thread agree, at least i dont feel like banging my head on my desk because nobody else gets it.
On October 25 2010 12:28 dronebabo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 08:25 tacrats wrote: Fallout 3 was a big disappointment for me. F1 and F2 were EPIC. F3 was just a shooter with some pretty graphics and slow motion dismemberment for the console kids.
Its really unfortunate that people think games like F3 are amazing. if only they could have experienced some of these older games they would have been blown away and realize how much better the old ones really were, and that these new games never do the originals justice.
People will never go back and play games like baldurs gate/fallout1/2 etc because of the bad graphics and slower turn based gameplay.
If bioware/interplay remade these games with a few adjustments, they would crush every game that has been out in the last 5 years. Especially since the vast majority have never played them. Those games were nothing but gems.
thats nice and all but we're not asking for nostalgic gamers to tell others what their opinion should be. if u dont like the games then dont click on the thread. no need to be a hater while we're enjoying the game. call of duty is a shooter, fo3 was far from one for 'console kids'
Ahhh... the old nostalgia argument. never heard that one before.
if u enjoy mediocre games then that is your prerogative. Im happy to know that i have played better and it takes high quality to impress me.
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Uhh, technically Fo2's mainquest could be completed in 14 minutes. It's main quest is actually very 'short' and a lot of the time you spend 'doing it' is actually going from a place to place going "geck? No? FUCK!", next place "GECK? No? FUCK!" until you actually got the GECK.
What NV does (and Fo2 for that matter) is a sort of semi-linear progression, which can be compltely ignored if you want. It's like, you wake up in Goodsprings, you learn where Benny is going. You can stick around and explore and do a quest or two, btu then it's off to Primm. At Primm, you do a quest, learn where Benny went. Stick around a bit more, fuck around, but still, it's off to Mojave Outpost West. Ditto, then Nipton. Ditto, then Novac, Ditto, then Freeside, Ditto, then The Strip. Then it forks into 3 paths, and the linearity basically dies at this point.
At each place you can stop to do sides, and explore. You can also just plain explore if you want. The main quest is more of a guide around the wasteland, showing all the areas off, all the people.
That's NV's biggest difference. NV has a fuckload more communities and people and groups then Fo3, and NV is all about dealing with them. And exploring and dying to Cazadors as well. It combines both traditional FO3 "what's over there?" and Fo2's "What does he want?", into one package.
Honestly? I wasn't enjoying how awesome the game was until I hit the Strip. Then the awesomeness factor increased 10-fold. I suppose once I got my answers, I didn't feel obligated to finish the main quest quite as much, and could take more time off to look around and explore shit. Good times.
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FO3 is nothing like FO1 and 2 so to compare it is like saying SC:BW is like SC:Ghost.
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Well i just finished NV. The whole karma thing seemed odd because i sure as hell wasn't 'very good' I felt it should have been longer, if i streamlined the main quest it really wouldn't take that long at all it seems. But im sure a DLC or two will change that. I found it toi be a great game though! it was too much fun and i did manage to log in 50 hours for my first play through.
Time to start over and make a melee character :D
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How about we derail this thread.
You may now only post stories IN CHARACTER about something that happened today in your fallout world.
My dude is a sneaky ass crafty nigger (seriously, lockpick sneak and survivalism)
SO me n my buddy Boone were out lookin fer some loot, down by that big ass river. Boone spots a couple big ole things down by the water, and yells "get some drugs Nerv! We can't take those things sober!!!!" Thankfully, back in one of those towns I sacked we found a turbo stash, threw boone a bottle downed one myself and went to town. Oh my...Turbo, one of my favorites. You just feel so fast, and so slow...all at the same time. Regardless some crazy ass blue ball thing nearly took my head off, but it was really slow and I was really fast. Shot the three things to death and just kept shootin till the drugs passed. Think there are some more ranger camps to pillage down the river. They always got some fine ass stuff locked away behind something, I'll just leave Boone at some bar for a few hours.
(Play on hardcore mode you pussies)
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Just finished New Vegas an hour ago. When the Courier took the signature walk to the horizon to signal the end, I can't help but feel sad at the end of the journey, like the feeling you get when saying goodbye to a friend who you will never know when you will meet again.
New Vegas definitely outclass FO3 by a huge margin. The delivery and setting is fantastic and I can see myself playing it 2-3 more times.
+ Show Spoiler + I especially like how at some point in the game, diplomacy is thrown out the window and the game goes full forward. Which makes complete sense, there's only so much diplomacy one can do. There's four big factions, and littered with so many minor ones, its awesome!
Played through helping Mr.House all the way. Though I don't like his "autocratic" ways, I like his vision to progress mankind. Perhaps will reload this save to try the "Yes" man route, sensing a big plot twist here
Planning next to play through helping Caesar's Legion all the way with a female character, which will be interesting considering how big the entire NCR faction is on the map. Considering Caesar's Legion militant and misogyny ways, it will be interesting to help the Legion with a female toon, if only to see the dialogues. Gonna make it a ninja lol!
On October 26 2010 09:53 TryThis wrote: Well i just finished NV. The whole karma thing seemed odd because i sure as hell wasn't 'very good' I felt it should have been longer, if i streamlined the main quest it really wouldn't take that long at all it seems. But im sure a DLC or two will change that. I found it toi be a great game though! it was too much fun and i did manage to log in 50 hours for my first play through.
Time to start over and make a melee character :D
Well it feels short probably because you didn't scout enough. There's tons of things to do, I have clocked 50+ hours too and I have to drop some explorations because I was too tired of bringing food/water around. Next will definitely be just a casual playthrough lol
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Guys. This thread is for discussing Fallout: New Vegas, not your venting ground for how much better Fallout 1 and 2 were.
I played and LOVED Fallout 1/2, I fucking grew up on those games, but I don't post here solely to shit on people who enjoy another game. Next person who pulls that shit gets a ban. It's like people who walk into the BW forum and say "hey BW is dying!!! move on to SC2 fags lol" You sound like an idiot.
Been playing NV for a couple hours now, never played FO3. Seems pretty cool imo, hoping to pick up some big guns later on and minigun some shit to death like in 1/2.
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anyone wanna post screenies of their characters?
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Loved fallout 1-2, but more on topic I loved Fallout 3, especially with mods!
Anyway I havn't bought new vegas yet because I heard it had quite a lot of bugs and needed some patching up, is this true?
Im kinda tired of bying incomplete games at the moment.
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On October 26 2010 01:14 dronebabo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 14:24 Krigwin wrote:On October 25 2010 12:28 dronebabo wrote: thats nice and all but we're not asking for nostalgic gamers to tell others what their opinion should be. if u dont like the games then dont click on the thread. no need to be a hater while we're enjoying the game. call of duty is a shooter, fo3 was far from one for 'console kids'
Guy A: Well I felt that Sequel wasn't as good as Original Game, mostly because- You: NOSTALGGGGIIIIAAAAAA No, Fallout 3 was just mediocre. I have an image macro that sums up all of the flaws without ever mentioning Fallout 1 or 2, but unfortunately I probably can't post it here, so let me just recap: The engine is buggy and quests and NPCs are poorly coded which results in hilarious situations, the FPS elements are completely awful (lack of iron sights, baffling nonsensical aiming mechanics, etc), the RPG elements are completely awful (you can fire nuke launchers with 1 STR and talk coherently with scientists with 1 INT and CHA is basically completely useless, you can win back all of your karma after blowing up Megaton just by giving water to the homeless guy right outside), the dialogue and writing were completely awful (par for the course for Bethesda, actually), the animations were atrocious and everyone walked around like they were on valium. Even Tim Cain (guy who made Fallout 1) agrees Fallout 3 was a complete disgrace to the name of Fallout. Which is actually a shame since Fallout 3 wasn't awful, just thoroughly bland, and if it was a completely new IP unrelated to the Fallout series, it probably would've been a lot better in terms of creative freedom, instead of taking a nice steamy dump all over the existing Fallout lore. Now, New Vegas comes a lot closer to Fallout 1-2 than 3 did and is actually a very impressive game - this is what Fallout 3 should've been. Completely agree with that guy though that someone should make a full, new engine, faithful recreation of the Fallout/Infinite Engine games. There's some fangroup remaking Baldur's Gate 2 with the Dragon Age toolset, last I heard they were progressing pretty slowly though. first of all your whole guy a you thing is completely off. this is how it went: Guy A: your game is for console kids who enjoy nothing but excessive violence. fallout 3 is nothing but a shooter. totally different from your guy a. if he doesnt list any constructive reasons and ends it at that what else is there besides pointing out his nostalgia goggles? i've no interest in arguing whether fallout 3 was mediocre or not. just dont come into the thread with nothing but a FALLOUT 1 AND 2 WAS BETTER and imply everyone who disagrees is an immature console player. replace all his fallout 3 and f1/f2 with bw and sc2 and you'll see what i mean-- it's annoying and does nothing but make the thread turn sour Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 19:52 mercurial wrote: I got the sniper ally from the village with the dinosaur, after going to one of the casino's they took his gun and mine, after I left the building I obtained his weapon and i cannot return them.
his weapon is a rifle with scope, that I can't use cause i don't have the weirdass bullets it requires, but seems like a nice rifle. But my question is, is there a known way sollution for this?
Also if i give him one of my guns and I tell him to use ranged he'll still run around with a machete(?)
this is what i did: unequipped all of his armor and other important stuff, then i opened console, left clicked him w/ my crosshair on him and typed resurrect. i think this will restart his companion quest though so if you already did that i'm not sure if it's best. and like i said earlier in the thread, companions only have infinite ammo w/ their default weapon so you need to equip the corresponding ammo for any other gun I got it for the ps3 so I'm screwed
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