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On November 02 2010 13:21 Easy772 wrote:
Dude, the video basically tries to embed in your mind that Chinese people are laughing at our failure and that they're now our "Boss".
Au contraire, there're quite a few Chinese people I know of who reside in China and Singapore who've been laughing at the failure since GWB's re-election.
Myself included.
But then again, looking at all the silly Christian-fuelled Islamophobia raging around in the States lately, it gives me really painful pangs of yearning for GWB when he insisted correctly that Islam ought not to be attacked for the acts of the few. Isn't that sad?
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did anyone comment yet on the irony of a professor in china of all places saying that america's downfall was that they weren't libertarian enough
this ad would have been a lot more of an accurate advocacy for CAGW's point of view if it had taken place in a super technologically-advanced somalia
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Kinda amusing to see that some of the people in the audience don't look Chinese at all, and look more korean :D.
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This commercial is stupid... That is all.
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On November 03 2010 02:41 DTown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:37 domovoi wrote: China and India are simply way too large in population to not be in top eventually. They simply need to raise living standards to the world average, which is feasible with the right infrastructure. If Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong can do it, so can China and India. I wouldn't be so sure about that. While your argument is certainly logical and feasible, the big difference is Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and even Hong Kong are all capitalism-based societies. The pure inefficiency of capital allocation that goes hand-in-hand with communism will be a tough headwind for mainland China to overcome, even if they manage to not implode upon themselves. o_O, you REALLY think mainland China is still a "communist" state? The authoritarian government calls itself communist, but there is almost nothing communist about its open-market policies. The sense of property ownership in China is as strong, if not stronger, than anywhere in the Western world.
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On November 03 2010 11:31 NEWater wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 13:21 Easy772 wrote:
Dude, the video basically tries to embed in your mind that Chinese people are laughing at our failure and that they're now our "Boss". Au contraire, there're quite a few Chinese people I know of who reside in China and Singapore who've been laughing at the failure since GWB's re-election. Myself included. But then again, looking at all the silly Christian-fuelled Islamophobia raging around in the States lately, it gives me really painful pangs of yearning for GWB when he insisted correctly that Islam ought not to be attacked for the acts of the few. Isn't that sad? It's sad that GWB was attacked so ferociously. He was a good man. A goofy man, who made some ultimately short-sighted decisions regarding foreign policy, but a good man nonetheless.
Oops, double posted. Crap.
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Probably he was a good man.
For sure he wasn't a good president.
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There's a lot of ridiculous political commercials out there. This is due to the fact that private entities can spend an unlimited amount of money on things like political ads without divulging the source. Seriously, one candidate literally has an add stating that she is "Not a witch" because of all the smearing that has gone on
Sad time for American politics imo.
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There is an old saying (my numbers may be slightly off from what is actually said but you guys will get the point)
If you owe the bank $10,000 the bank owns you. If you owe the bank $100,000,000,you own the bank.
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Why does everyone take such offense to this? If our fiscal and economic policies don't change, what do you think is going to happen to us?
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On November 03 2010 17:45 dOofuS wrote: Why does everyone take such offense to this? If our fiscal and economic policies don't change, what do you think is going to happen to us?
Lol i think people are missing the point.
Imagine this: another add featuring Arabic looking guys with explosives strapped to their chest, with pictures of Osama Bin Laden displayed in a lecture hall. And a professor making a similar speech about how the US power fell due to increased health related issues due to overly high consumption of fats and sugars (yeah the premise is ridiculous but bear with me).
The message is clearly to reduce intake of fats and sugars, which in itself is noble and certainly nothing wrong with it. The depiction of the arabic people as terrorists is however wildly irresponsible and would rightly be considered racist.
This is pretty much the issue, the overall message of the video may or may not be good, but it's depiction of the Chinese people as obsessively communist is rather ridiculous. Cos we totally have pictures of Mao displayed over our lecture halls rite?
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20 more years... come onnnn
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STOP BUYING THAT WOW GOLD MAN. IN 2030 THE UCD WILL SEND ALL NON-CHINESE OUT IN SPACE IN HUGE SPACESHIPS TO SOME OTHER SOLAR SYSTEM.
On a serious note, if racist it's indirect racism, it's not specifically aimed at the Chinese being evil and communist and all that jazz. It's because they're economically the largest and fastest growing nation in the world. Also, like others have said, the goal of this is to scare Americans into supporting this organizations goals.
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If the goal of this commercial was to make me laugh really hard, mission accomplished.
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On November 03 2010 16:43 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:41 DTown wrote:On November 03 2010 02:37 domovoi wrote: China and India are simply way too large in population to not be in top eventually. They simply need to raise living standards to the world average, which is feasible with the right infrastructure. If Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong can do it, so can China and India. I wouldn't be so sure about that. While your argument is certainly logical and feasible, the big difference is Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and even Hong Kong are all capitalism-based societies. The pure inefficiency of capital allocation that goes hand-in-hand with communism will be a tough headwind for mainland China to overcome, even if they manage to not implode upon themselves. o_O, you REALLY think mainland China is still a "communist" state? The authoritarian government calls itself communist, but there is almost nothing communist about its open-market policies. The sense of property ownership in China is as strong, if not stronger, than anywhere in the Western world. You're right man. Nothing communist at all about their complete lack of private property rights, little respect for the rule of law (unless it is favorable to the government), and the masses of unnecessarily state-run enterprises crowding out what might be a thriving areas for private investment. Not to mention how capitalist their nepotism-based society is, when capitalism thrives on the concept of meritocracy (yes, there is tons of nepotism in US, that's not the point, it's all relative).
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Well this is just pathetic. What makes it really sad is that there are probably people out there who buy this crap. °_°
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I find it amusing on how many people from other countries try and judge our policies, politics, and presidents, I can say I don't give a shit about your opinions.
"Our country, right or wrong." When right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right. ~Carl Schurz
That is for us to decide not you.
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On November 03 2010 17:26 Jugan wrote:There's a lot of ridiculous political commercials out there. This is due to the fact that private entities can spend an unlimited amount of money on things like political ads without divulging the source. Seriously, one candidate literally has an add stating that she is "Not a witch" because of all the smearing that has gone on Sad time for American politics imo. Smearing? You mean playing a single clip of that candidate saying of her own volition on national television that she was a witch? Okay man.
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On November 01 2010 01:38 alffla wrote: looool stop government overspending to stop the evil chinese people from taking over the world.. LOL Ironically, we stopped the Japanese from taking over China, and now we're trying to stop China from taking over us.
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On November 03 2010 23:01 DTown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 16:43 Gummy wrote:On November 03 2010 02:41 DTown wrote:On November 03 2010 02:37 domovoi wrote: China and India are simply way too large in population to not be in top eventually. They simply need to raise living standards to the world average, which is feasible with the right infrastructure. If Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong can do it, so can China and India. I wouldn't be so sure about that. While your argument is certainly logical and feasible, the big difference is Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and even Hong Kong are all capitalism-based societies. The pure inefficiency of capital allocation that goes hand-in-hand with communism will be a tough headwind for mainland China to overcome, even if they manage to not implode upon themselves. o_O, you REALLY think mainland China is still a "communist" state? The authoritarian government calls itself communist, but there is almost nothing communist about its open-market policies. The sense of property ownership in China is as strong, if not stronger, than anywhere in the Western world. You're right man. Nothing communist at all about their complete lack of private property rights, little respect for the rule of law (unless it is favorable to the government), and the masses of unnecessarily state-run enterprises crowding out what might be a thriving areas for private investment. Not to mention how capitalist their nepotism-based society is, when capitalism thrives on the concept of meritocracy (yes, there is tons of nepotism in US, that's not the point, it's all relative). ... You're trolling right? 1.) Where in the Chinese legal system is there a lack of property rights?
2.) When are there ever laws that are unfavorable to the government in any country? I understand that certain countries have a "Bill of Rights" that delineates the boundaries of government power on the individual, and China's general lack of protections for civil liberties is a valid criticism... But you're making an overly broad generalization that implies anarchy. And don't pretend that the United States has never infringed on civil liberties. I'm not saying the US does it on the same scale (though on a per capita basis, it is definitely comparable), but rather that your argument is completely irrelevant to whether or not the Chinese state is in fact a "communist state."
3.) Unnecessary state-run enterprises? Most of the enterprises that foreigners consider "state run" are not in fact state run, but privately run under a public charter. They are still motivated by economic optimization and are, in fact, profit-seeking entities. Analagous would be a U.S. government defense/space contract. 4.) Regarding nepotism, you even admit that it is also a big problem in the United States, and your only argument lies in the word "relative." Do you have any statistics supporting the "relative" prevalence of nepotism in either country? Even so, countries in Asia and much of Europe are a lot more "meritocratic" than US in terms of education being more directly correlated with the quality of jobs one can expect to get, and more specifically, in education itself, with entrance being determined almost entirely by academic performance as opposed to application padding.
Communism is an economic system that, as you say, determines capital allocation centrally rather than through the recursive self-optimal decision making that enforces free markets. China's economic policy is not consistent with that characterization except on the: 1.) City planning level. 2.) Foreign trade level.
Both of these "non free market" activities, however, are fully acceptable in American law (i.e. imminent domain cases/ Fed open-market-operations, respectively).
Again, the purpose of my post is not to argue qualitatively about whether China's system is "good" or "bad" but rather to clear up very obvious factual misconceptions that many people, who are not familiar with China, continue to believe as truth.
Knowing the nature of those who post so ignorantly, I highly doubt this post will even be read in its entirety, but since I still hold hope for humanity, I post this nonetheless.
You're welcome.
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