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On May 01 2011 01:11 FakePlasticLove wrote: Fantasy is 2-3 this month with wins aginst Much and Roro and losses against SK (2x) and Action. He doesn't deserve #5 or even a spot on the rankings
Win percentage only tells so much, especially when it's only 5 games played. And Soulkey was absolutely amazing in their matches.
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Can't wait for the next one!
JD for #1!
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On May 01 2011 01:13 lyAsakura wrote: Baby should definitely keep his spot around 5-7th place. Maybe drop to 8 or 9 at the most, but I don't see why he would get entirely kicked out of PR.
bleargh I love baby, but he's not in the MSL and hasn't been great in PL... what's saving him? T.T
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On April 30 2011 15:02 Holgerius wrote:Totally. I'd probably still favour Flash in a Bo5, but I haven't feared anyone (from a Flash-fan perspective) like I fear the Dong right now for a really long time. I feel so happy that JD is back at the top. He's the type of person who feeds on winning, and during the last year Flash basically made him his Yellow. It must've been quite depressing for him. Then he had a pretty rough winter and I was on the verge of thinking his era was kinda coming to an end. Fail by me. He's so much stronger than that. Can't wait for the incoming Flash vs JD final. JD hwaiting!
I was thinking so too. I mean most progamers don't stay at their dominate form for very long and jaedong's been dominant for 3 years I think? (I don't know for sure so don't crucify me). After his 2010 he just wasn't looking as strong, and I was pretty sure he was going to keep falling. Boy do I feel dumb doubting him ^_^.
Don't know how he does it, but he somehow always comes back stronger then ever :D
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On May 01 2011 06:30 blade55555 wrote: I mean most progamers don't stay at their dominate form for very long Sorry for going off-topic, but I see this far too often on TL and it's getting on my nerves: "dominate" is a verb. "Dominant" is an adjective.
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Well, really what has changed for JD is his ZvT. His ZvZ is basically the same as always and his ZvP hasn't shown up enough to really see if he's stepped it up from earlier this year (in his past 20 games he's only faced P 3 times, and 2 of those games boiled down to timing attacks). I don't doubt his (projected) #1 position is looking well earned right now, but I don't really think we should say that he's looking "stronger than ever." Compared to late 09/early 10 when his ZvP was looking basically unbeatable... at the very least let's see him sustain this forum for a couple months before we say "stronger than ever."
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IMO, his ZvT is currently as strong as it's ever been, ZvZ is somewhat shaky, and ZvP is worse than usual. Maybe that's just Bisu's fault though. His new build wasn't around when JD was dominating.
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Flash and Jaedong both looking so good right now. Bisu too. Flash just decimated CJ but I suppose Jaedong trumps everything with his showing in the Group of Death. That was scary.
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On May 01 2011 09:13 Mortality wrote: Well, really what has changed for JD is his ZvT. His ZvZ is basically the same as always and his ZvP hasn't shown up enough to really see if he's stepped it up from earlier this year (in his past 20 games he's only faced P 3 times, and 2 of those games boiled down to timing attacks). I don't doubt his (projected) #1 position is looking well earned right now, but I don't really think we should say that he's looking "stronger than ever." Compared to late 09/early 10 when his ZvP was looking basically unbeatable... at the very least let's see him sustain this forum for a couple months before we say "stronger than ever." JD at the moment is having the strongest ZvT of any player any time in the history of the game. He has now reached a location where no zerg has gone before, pushed the boundaries of what was thought as possible.
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jaedong's game with baby reminded me of that game with lomo on gom crazy game usually u expect jaedong to present some skill in any game but his last zvt's are more and more if not even surpassed his glory days of 2008 and back than he was relying on muta micro, now its just late game tech with crazy macro and micro . 200th win in proleague while beating 5/5 terrans this month: fantasy, sea, flash, reality and baby breaking his elo record. morality is right by saying he isnt in his best shape but in zvt i got all the confimation i needed jaedong number 1 !!!!!
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You know, with FBH doing so well, perhaps Ace has a chance to NOT be last next season.
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On May 01 2011 21:38 pvzvt wrote:usually u expect jaedong to present some skill in any game but his last zvt's are more and more if not even surpassed his glory days of 2008 and back than he was relying on muta micro, now its just late game tech with crazy macro and micro .
He's been doing spectacularly against T for awhile now - since last September he's won 73.91% of the 23 vT games he's played (better than the 63% of 22 vP games, or 71.88% of the 33 vZ games). And since 2011 started, he's won 83% of his vT games with a 15 - 3 record. I remember someone mentioning once how Jaedong occasionally seems to figure out a match-up for awhile (e.g. in 2010 when he won 78% of his vP games, with losses only to Kal (1), Stork (4), and Bisu (1)); perhaps something has clicked for him vT.
Here's hoping he can break 2300 vT ELO.
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On May 01 2011 20:57 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 09:13 Mortality wrote: Well, really what has changed for JD is his ZvT. His ZvZ is basically the same as always and his ZvP hasn't shown up enough to really see if he's stepped it up from earlier this year (in his past 20 games he's only faced P 3 times, and 2 of those games boiled down to timing attacks). I don't doubt his (projected) #1 position is looking well earned right now, but I don't really think we should say that he's looking "stronger than ever." Compared to late 09/early 10 when his ZvP was looking basically unbeatable... at the very least let's see him sustain this forum for a couple months before we say "stronger than ever." JD at the moment is having the strongest ZvT of any player any time in the history of the game. He has now reached a location where no zerg has gone before, pushed the boundaries of what was thought as possible.
No. You must be new to watching progaming if you really think that.
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On May 02 2011 00:31 Mortality wrote:No. You must be new to watching progaming if you really think that.
Do you mean relative to their time, or are you thinking of a Zerg player who you would pick over Jaedong in a match against a Terran player, if both players were at their peak?
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In absolute terms, JD certainly has the strongest ZvT of any player of all time right now, and almost certainly the strongest ZvZ and ZvP (although he hasn't had much opportunity to prove that recently). This is a rather obvious statement, though, like the corresponding statements for Flash (all matchups), Bisu (PvZ).
More interesting is who has or had the strongest PvT and PvP. You'd think it ought to be Stork, and right now, but you never quite know where you have the guy.
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PvT Stork PvP Horang2 :D
4 more people Bisu lost to in the last 10 games, have comparable PvP strength Stats free Stork Kal
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pvt best tough consistency is with stork or at least was consistent in that department pvp horang 2for sure
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On May 02 2011 02:07 pvzvt wrote: pvt best tough consistency is with stork or at least was consistent in that department pvp horang 2for sure Bisu's pvp used to be out of this world during his dominant period.
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On May 02 2011 00:49 Mumei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 00:31 Mortality wrote:No. You must be new to watching progaming if you really think that. Do you mean relative to their time, or are you thinking of a Zerg player who you would pick over Jaedong in a match against a Terran player, if both players were at their peak?
Relative to their time of course. Obviously a Zerg player at his peak back in 2006 or 2001 isn't as strong in absolute terms as any A-team progamer today.
However, Jaedong has not even yet proved that his current ZvT is at its peak (relative to the competition) right now, let alone better than the past ZvT giants. Yes he's boasting high win percentages lately and his skill set is more well-rounded than ever, hence his consistency when facing strong but not superstar TvZers. But when you get down to it, he's been getting slapped silly by Flash and Light in his most recent battles against them. Group D was the first time he managed to overcome that in a long time now, but no matter how outstandingly awesome JD played, it was just one game. I'd really like to see a series before I jump to any such conclusions.
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Jaedong's Achilles' heel is 14cc !
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