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On May 03 2011 12:35 DarkMatter_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 04:16 erin[go]bragh wrote:On May 03 2011 02:21 Saracen wrote: JD back at #1!!! Maybe I'll start watching BW again >_< I don't know why you would ever stop! You should really come back though! With TBLS doing so well and with Effort coming back, the BW scene is as exciting as ever. Not to mention all the interesting developments we've seen in all the matchups (except maybe PvP which I don't think hasn't changed much...correct me if I'm wrong). I haven't been watching BW recently, just following results; what other than Queens in ZvT has started happening recently?
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On May 03 2011 13:59 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:35 DarkMatter_ wrote:On May 03 2011 04:16 erin[go]bragh wrote:On May 03 2011 02:21 Saracen wrote: JD back at #1!!! Maybe I'll start watching BW again >_< I don't know why you would ever stop! You should really come back though! With TBLS doing so well and with Effort coming back, the BW scene is as exciting as ever. Not to mention all the interesting developments we've seen in all the matchups (except maybe PvP which I don't think hasn't changed much...correct me if I'm wrong). I haven't been watching BW recently, just following results; what other than Queens in ZvT has started happening recently?
TvZ Mech transitions out of 1-1 bio, rax expand TvP, great playing hive tech ZvZ, flash getting bonjwa status
On May 03 2011 05:12 ...sOrry wrote: Poor poor Horang2 some A+ players on Iccup could do better than him.
Where did this come from?
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JD back to the top. Amazing <3. And now that he won against flash AGAIN, hes problably getting 1st power rank too *-*. LJD for the win!
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Yay, Jaedong, HiyA and Killer all up there! :D
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Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points.
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On May 04 2011 02:26 jaQi wrote: Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points.
There's a pretty thorough explanation of the system in Liquipedia, search for Kespa ranking.
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On May 04 2011 02:26 jaQi wrote: Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points. I think this post is still applicable? If not the actual formula, the concept behind it. Basically you get a certain number of points depending on your performance. More points for getting deep in individual leagues. As time passes they become less significant so you get less points for them.
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On May 04 2011 02:26 jaQi wrote: Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points. Flash lost 2000 points primarily by losing to lower ranked people in Proleague, elimination in both MSL AND OSL, and then playing more or less okay since. That drop came hard, fast, and was actually a few months ago anyway. Stork has been doing precisely the opposite, Stork made it to the finals of an OSL (note, the guy who beat him is #2), Made it far in the MSL, and won most of his PL games. Bisu is a bit harder for me to justify under their system, but beating the #1 multiple times without losing to him once will do a good number on your score. Hydra, you said it yourself. for the Kespa rank system, he's pretty much the equivalent of a sucker punch, and he'll need a few more high ranked victims to get up higher.
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Mystlord
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Woo hoo Jaedong and fantasy top 2 ^^. Suck it Flash /fanboyeventhoughIknowthatFlashisbetter
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On May 03 2011 06:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Kespa ranking is so broken. I really prefer elo. Importance given to Starleague wins is completely over-exaggerated.
Going deep in a StarLeague through solid BoX preparation is harder than consistently winning against random players in ProLeague, imo.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
My fav Z and my Fav T at #1 and 2. I am so happy.
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On May 04 2011 02:39 Kibibit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 02:26 jaQi wrote: Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points. Flash lost 2000 points primarily by losing to lower ranked people in Proleague, elimination in both MSL AND OSL, and then playing more or less okay since. That drop came hard, fast, and was actually a few months ago anyway. Stork has been doing precisely the opposite, Stork made it to the finals of an OSL (note, the guy who beat him is #2), Made it far in the MSL, and won most of his PL games. Bisu is a bit harder for me to justify under their system, but beating the #1 multiple times without losing to him once will do a good number on your score. Hydra, you said it yourself. for the Kespa rank system, he's pretty much the equivalent of a sucker punch, and he'll need a few more high ranked victims to get up higher. I read the liquipedia about the Kespa rankings, and it seems that the quality of opponent doesn't even matter in the calculations. Beating Flash in Ro8 nets one the same amount of points as beating Tossgirl in Ro8.
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On May 04 2011 03:42 tabula rasa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 02:39 Kibibit wrote:On May 04 2011 02:26 jaQi wrote: Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points. Flash lost 2000 points primarily by losing to lower ranked people in Proleague, elimination in both MSL AND OSL, and then playing more or less okay since. That drop came hard, fast, and was actually a few months ago anyway. Stork has been doing precisely the opposite, Stork made it to the finals of an OSL (note, the guy who beat him is #2), Made it far in the MSL, and won most of his PL games. Bisu is a bit harder for me to justify under their system, but beating the #1 multiple times without losing to him once will do a good number on your score. Hydra, you said it yourself. for the Kespa rank system, he's pretty much the equivalent of a sucker punch, and he'll need a few more high ranked victims to get up higher. I read the liquipedia about the Kespa rankings, and it seems that the quality of opponent doesn't even matter in the calculations. Beating Flash in Ro8 nets one the same amount of points as beating Tossgirl in Ro8. Imagine where Flash would be if the ranking took into account that he got beaten by Ssak and Lomo or whoever it was last season. And Hyuk.
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Top 10: 4 Zergs, 3 Terrans, 3 Protoss Top 30: 11 Zergs, 9 Terrans, 10 Protoss
<3 BW balance.
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On May 04 2011 03:42 tabula rasa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 02:39 Kibibit wrote:On May 04 2011 02:26 jaQi wrote: Can someone explain to me how Kespa rankings are exactly working? Flash wasn't that bad the last months that he lost his big point-advantage to me. Okay, he has not won osl/msl, but JD did not either (I know he got to R8 or something like that). Never the less Stork has not won anything and is over Hydra and Bisu? Bisu just got kicked out of msl and ist number 6? Hydra advances and has won osl and is rank 5? Okay maybe Hydra was really low before his win but somehow it's still pretty strange while looking at the ranking.
Seems like advancing in individual leagues counts the most and osl > msl from the point of "kespa points". Still don't get how Flash lost 2000points. Flash lost 2000 points primarily by losing to lower ranked people in Proleague, elimination in both MSL AND OSL, and then playing more or less okay since. That drop came hard, fast, and was actually a few months ago anyway. Stork has been doing precisely the opposite, Stork made it to the finals of an OSL (note, the guy who beat him is #2), Made it far in the MSL, and won most of his PL games. Bisu is a bit harder for me to justify under their system, but beating the #1 multiple times without losing to him once will do a good number on your score. Hydra, you said it yourself. for the Kespa rank system, he's pretty much the equivalent of a sucker punch, and he'll need a few more high ranked victims to get up higher. I read the liquipedia about the Kespa rankings, and it seems that the quality of opponent doesn't even matter in the calculations. Beating Flash in Ro8 nets one the same amount of points as beating Tossgirl in Ro8. The idea is that if they made it that deep into the tournament then they are a player "worthy" of that many points. Of course this isn't necessarily the case, but that's the ideal scenario.
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On May 04 2011 04:03 Elroi wrote:
Imagine where Flash would be if the ranking took into account that he got beaten by Ssak and Lomo or whoever it was last season. And Hyuk.
look at elo rankings (which does take these into account). seems like it doesn't affect flash much.
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Woo Sea Hwaiting! Up one spot :D
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yay jaedong! :D how did I miss this till now!
kespa rank is still ridiculously random though (well not that random but still)
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