|
Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
|
Seems like this keeps happening because once they get to Korea they realize that they aren't going to be winning GSL anytime soon (if ever) so there's no reason to even bother trying considering they can make more money with far easier competition elsewhere.
|
Keep it up Sjow! All time favotite SC2 player!! Thanks for repping the homeland :D
Btw i hope you will be able to speed up your game abit since ur decisionmaking is awsome :D
Mycket kärlek från Lund!! <3
|
It is the best decission since you got there for a few months and then come back a beast and win a ton of cash and get recognition instead of being that foreigner dude who didn't make it to the round of 8 in GSL A.
|
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote: I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.
It's because there is no money in it and it's incredibly hard to advance in. Also, the payouts are very top-heavy making it impossible for some people to ever win first place, especially foreigners who are less experienced with the GSL. A lot more $$ with foreign tournaments and sponsorships. Couple that with living in a place without your family/friends around with people speaking an entirely different language than you are used to.
Sounds like a pretty smart decision to me.
|
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote: I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.
I have to agree, you can't expect to be on top without months of practicing considering how behind foreigners are (some more than others obviously but still). Take a look at Naniwa, he says he has to learn the game all over again. It'll take a while before he can compete, but if he has the dedication good for him. It'd be cool to see the foreigners who have the dedication go to Korea, though.
|
United States7483 Posts
On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote: Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
What a baller.
|
Good luck to Sjow!!! Go win those tournaments!
|
On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote: Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
Thank god there is one foreigner out there who is willing to go, come back, and go again. its sad to see players go there for one time stands, then leave because they weren't as successful as they had hoped
SjoW hwaiting!!!!
|
I understand him very well ^^. If I had been away from home in Korea alone for any period of time after living at home with my parents for my entire life, I would too be really eager to come back. For most people, SC2 is not the most important thing ever, life and family does come first for Sjow it seems.
|
On October 11 2011 04:39 Aureknight wrote: Ive said it all along....Korea is not worth going. You give up so much for so little. There are way too many tournaments online now or even tournaments closer in EU and the US. Only reason everyone gets all hyped up is that its GSL. GSL is not dumb. They are offering all these code A spots to all these tournaments to make their league be the one that all want to be a part of. By doing this they are caliming to be the best. Yes they are the best, but wont last forever plus there are so many tournies now that players DONT NEED to go to korea. Im actually suprised other tournaments havent said...No Ty GSL....we dont need your code A spot. We are the best here and we dont need to be playing seconf fiddle to you guys. The only one that is not kissing bootie to GSL is the NASL. Wether GSL didnt include them or NASL said yeah right we dont need you is up to debate. NASL is the only league that has grab thier CAJONES and said....no GSL....we are not second to you. In the long run the NASL will be the more efficient way to do high level tournaments. You only bring the best of the best to the finals like NASL. GSL knows this and they dont want to lose their hold on SC2. They know they need to make some way to legitimize themselves as the best by bringing foreigners. They know if they include others and bring them then they got them were they want them (league wise). Is it not obvious why so many foreigners leave? Many could tell you that, but i guess they need to see it for themselves. The best example of this is the BLIZZARD CUP. C'mon now. Do you really think the winners of those tournaments are really the best of the best? I mean they are very good but we could actually switch so many of those winners with some from korea GSL. It will be a very good league to see, but i go back to my point. GSL just wants to include all these foreign tournamnets winners to ligitimize themselves as the league of leagues. All these foreig tournaments need to man up and start making their tournaments be the most important to them. They dont need GSL to know that they are good.
But to be a dedicated progamer who aspires to be the best ( naniwa, Sase) you have to go to korea to actually gain the skill necessary to beat the koreans. Stephano being the current exeption here. It's totally ok for pros to go to korea just for the training and experience and leave after 1-2 month but saying it's not worth going to korea is really dumb. Because hands down: GSL is still the best league in the world.
On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote: Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
Great to hear, gratz for the stealth money you earned for Iesf and hopefully you'll show some amazing things in New York and future tournaments.
|
On October 11 2011 04:10 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 04:05 krisss wrote:On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote: I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. Funny how fast a player owes the community something. I mean its not like they live with complete strangers all the time long, with language barriers, "bad" accomodation, etc. But hey, they get a cup of rice everyday and have a chance to win 1000 dollars once a month, when their proving that their better than all the koreans who train 14 hours a day. Every single player going to Korea is doing this because he loves esports. I mean its a huge thing, and they deserve to get some respect for going to korea at the first place. So please dont fukkin blame them for coming back after 1 (2?) months.. It's perfectly fine that you don't want to live in korea etc, the problem is that there are koreans training their heart out to even be in code A, and what when they see some non korean being top 12 in an MLG after being seeded in pool auto qualified in code A, leaving after winning his first match? I think it's what people are uncomfortable with, it's obvious that not everybody will want to live in korea. edit : I dunno which exact rank he was it was more of a random example
I bet you know the sentence "Dont hate the player, hate the game". Same goes for this: "Dont hate the player, hate the system". Everyone knows that the best foreigners are skillwise below the average Code A korean. So everyone knows that this system is not fair, when we define fair as "the best players should be playing". Everyone knows this. So dont blame the players that get a "wildcard" and dont take the GSL that seriously, as the Koreans who only for work this single event. Its the system, not the players.
And this system, this should be said, it made to make money! GOM wants paying customers, therefore they change the system from being "100% fair" into sth more unfair (needed to be discussed), in the hope to get more money. So its GOMs decision to change the system if they think thats needed. This can be done by not giving away Wildcards for foreigners anymore, or IMHO a much bette roption, raising the prize money for Coda A. Dont expect a foreigner to spend years of his life in Korea trying to win once 1000 Dollars. Ppl in this forum often forget about the real "life" in this forum. Try to explain this path of life to any person not involved in esports:
random person: Hey Sjow, long time no see, what u did the last 3 years? Sjow: I was in Korea. random person: WOW, what did u do there? Sjow: I was progamer, i was making money by playing computer games. random person: Your crazy man, and how can u make money by play games? Sjow: well the best players of the world play in a 1-month tournament, where the winner gets 1500 dollar, after spending months of trying to get into to tournament, spending 14 hours a day training. random person: 1500 dollars? roflLOLOLOL
so please, dont forget the link to "reality"
|
If SjoW values his profession (as a professional gamer), and TRULY wants to succeed, and not just be an "upper+" middle-of-the-road European Terran, then he must stay in Korea. The language barrier is tough. The culture is tough. The competition is fierce. But who ever said that success comes with ease? Never - it always takes VERY hard work.
SjoW should strongly consider if he is looking to be the best Terran in Europe, or if he is looking to aspire to something greater. Because at the moment, he is a strong contender for the first requirement, but he can not compete for the latter.
Go back to Korea, SjoW. Tough it out for a few more months, just like IdrA, Artosis, Jinro, HuK, Ret, Haypro, Nony, and all of the other foreigners did in the past.
There is surely more money to be won in Europe and other foreign venues; nobody can argue that, due to prize pools, tournament frequency and competition all being way less. However, I view Korea as Graduate College. You go for the investment in the future, and not the fun. It will pay off.
|
good luck with all those tourneys sjow, i hope you do well and when you come back to korea, make some noise there. The part about the food makes me laugh for some reason ;0. asian flavors can be strange for people.
|
On October 11 2011 03:16 Urielnam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote: I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. I really agree with you. I don't think any of the Koreans or Foreigners showed anything special on their first GSL. I have this feeling that foreigners are kind of abusing the Code A ticket they get from events like MLG and instead of going. I'd like to see what Naniwa or Fenix can pull out if they stick to training in Korea.
I'd argue that Select showed some baller games against Alicia.
|
On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote: Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
Well, I hope that this shuts up all the people that are complaining about "life time opportunity" and "throw away what koreans dream to get"...
I'm happy that you enjoyed your stay in korean and that you were able to improve since that was really your main goal. I hope that when you get back you're able to melt some korean progamers
GL!
|
sjow stated perfect ! take the big foreign tournaments with this train and next time have a gsl run again sounds very very nice ! i think you can one time be one of the ultimative top 3 worldclass terrans !
|
Unlucky for you that such good tourneys coincide with Code A, but it was obvious that this would be the choice. Hope you go back and own some 'kimchi players'
|
On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote: Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
This should be put on the front page of this thread. Great that you are back in Sweden, hope to see you on the streets! ^^
|
Can't believe some of the things said in this thread. Maybe Korea isn't what everyone has pictured it with foreigners coming and leaving soon after. I'm sure for some it's hard on them being such a big change. Going to live in a country where you most likely don't speak the language, live in smaller house that you're used to with probably 10 more people than you're used to. You have to get used to their food, social norms and society not to mention have a new and harder practice schedule. All this "he's been there for a few months he should be used to it" is pretty silly. Not saying he falls into this category of being uncomfortable but it's not like everyone who goes gets used to it and few months and should enjoy the lifestyle change they are being forced to live. People act differently when experiencing such a huge change not to mention it's his life and career, let him do what he wants.
Best of luck Sjow.
|
|
|
|