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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Love the high socks too. High socks make you look so much faster. | ||
Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On February 12 2012 16:59 tree.hugger wrote: I was at the game tonight. Pretty awesome, even though Lin's second half was pretty dreadful. Had my sign; "Welcome to Linnesota" confiscated, because apparently very large signs aren't allowed. But Lin balled hard in the first half, and sank the clutch free throw in the second, so all was well. So good. Love the high socks too. High socks make you look so much faster. ooo lucky! what do u think his weakness is? also, no one can be hot all the time so im not too worried. he shows that he is a great asset to the team with scoring and spreading the ball. | ||
sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On October 26 2010 06:32 Random_0 wrote: My pessimistic side can't see Jeremy Lin succeeding for the following reasons: 1) Not quick enough to defend NBA guards. 2) Can't generate a shot off his own dribble against those taller than him. 3) Will be dominated inside. Funny reading that now. He made his living by blowing by Wall and Dwill off the dribble and scoring inside. Like every single reason he got doubted for :D | ||
Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On February 12 2012 19:33 Golgotha wrote: ooo lucky! what do u think his weakness is? also, no one can be hot all the time so im not too worried. he shows that he is a great asset to the team with scoring and spreading the ball. An obvious weakness is stamina, but it's not something you can really ding him for. Back-to-back games on the road and 7 games in 10 days will put a damper on anybody's energy levels. What I was really surprised to see, however, was that even though he was totally exhausted the second half against the wolves, and didn't have the shooting he did in the first half, he still made plays and still coordinated the offense admirably. Knicks didn't have the luxury of swapping him out (with Stoudemire and Melo out), and even still he managed to keep the offensive machine running. I'm a little concerned that when the Knicks' stars get back on the floor, the hugely disparate playstyles of Anthony and the Suns-like offense (from D'Antoni) run through Lin will clash. Having Lin on point running pick and rolls through Chandler or Stoudemire is pretty mutually exclusive from Anthony manning it up for some isolation shots. Then again, the variety of possible strategies the Knicks can run can only work to their advantage. At the very least, the readdition of the two stars will make it so the Knicks aren't a 7-man team anymore and can actually retire exhausted players. At best, we might see a team that can run two very different and effective styles of offense. | ||
BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
lol i couldn't resist | ||
don_kyuhote
3004 Posts
I don't watch basketball, but apparantly Lin is better at Basketball than Tebow is at football? | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
As much as people don't like focusing on one guy like this, it is an inspirational story among the Asian and Asian-american community, which is very VERY passionate about basketball. One of the best articles I've read on this all: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/justin-339740-jeremy-lin.html | ||
AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
That asian-american movement angle that the reporters are trying to establish is just ridiculous. Americans just love to create superhuman heros right? He is just a basketball player and now everyone comes out sayin he is the savior of a whole ethnicity. He's a good player who gives asians someone to root for but he is not heralding the change of asian culture and saving them from the opression. Cmon, seriously...?? | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On February 12 2012 23:32 AntiGrav1ty wrote: I'm asian, I love rooting for Lin, I like his game and those last games have just been electric. But... That asian-american movement angle that the reporters are trying to establish is just ridiculous. Americans just love to create superhuman heros right? He is just a basketball player and now everyone comes out sayin he is the savior of a whole ethnicity. He's a good player who gives asians someone to root for but he is not heralding the change of asian culture and saving them from the opression. Cmon, seriously...?? Asian American males don't have many good role models in American society. There are horrendous stereotypes perpetrated in America about AAM. Jeremy Lin, Yao Ming, Jet Li etc, are the rare few that help turn the tide and AAM love them for that. Surprisingly, the media's actually reporting correctly for once when it comes to what JLin means for the AA community. As an AAM I don't think the angle the reporters are trying to establish is ridiculous at all. And there are a multitude of precedents in American sports and race relations history that show a single individual can bring about great change in the way society views issues. If you still don't understand how this concept works study the impact of Jackie Robinson on MLB. | ||
AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
How is that even comparable at all. Jackie Robinson didn't just make it as an underdog. He entered the MLB when black people didnt have the same rights as white people. He played in the MLB when there was segregation. That actually is a fucking big deal. Don't tell me you are comparing those two and people better dont start writing articles comparing those two... Lin is a baller and he is succesful right now. Asian kids can look up to him as any kid can look up to pro athletes. He was an underdog and thru hard work he got to where he is right now. That's as good a cinderella story as it gets and people like that. But he is not changing the asian culture and he is not changing the american system by playing well. And if he does then the self-respect of asians over there must be really fragile... | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Then you look at the fact that he was tearing it up at Harvard, when Harvard faced Santa Clara University (which is like 20 minutes away from his hometown Palo Alto) the whole crowd was cheering for Lin and Harvard and not SCU. Read this: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-in-context-and-the-decision-that-no-warriors-official-wants-to-admit-making/ Nobody at the GSW's are holding accountability for being the ones to decide to release Lin after the rookie year. The new head coach even says that he never really looked at Lin and didn't look at the guard position closely (Why?). Nobody wants to admit that they were the ones who didnt' see the potential in this guy, in the largest Asian-American and Taiwanese-American market in the US. You want to believe that nobody in even the GSW's front office got rid of him at least PARTIALLY because he's Asian and they didn't see him as athletic enough, as strong enough, as fast as any other guard in the NBA then you're out of your mind. On February 13 2012 00:06 AntiGrav1ty wrote: He played in the MLB when there was segregation. He isn't saving Asian Americans from oppression but keep in mind that Asian-Americans have no place in pop culture or traditional media except as laughing stocks and punchlines. You see that there are almost no Asian Americans signed to major record labels or deals, or in positions in hollywood or television. People ask why a lot of the most subscribed channels on Youtube are Asians well thats because that is the medium for Asians to get any sort of spotlight. I once saw some video I think by Timothydelaghetto answering why all these asians are on youtube, singers, rappers, whatever and why they always hang out together and go to these performances and shows together and he answered with that. That this is the Asian-American medium and embrace it because traditional media doesn't allow for Asians to be a part of it. Something as simple as a kid who's been looked over his whole life, averaging 25 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg, 2 spg in these past 5 games now. Believe it or not, but that IS a step in the direction of heralding a change in culture. On February 13 2012 00:06 AntiGrav1ty wrote: He played in the MLB when there was segregation. That actually is a fucking big deal. If you think that there is no segregation or equal rights of Asian Americans in traditional media then you're an idiot. | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On February 13 2012 00:06 AntiGrav1ty wrote: See that's what I mean. How is that even comparable at all. Jackie Robinson didn't just make it as an underdog. He entered the MLB when black people didnt have the same rights as white people. He played in the MLB when there was segregation. That actually is a fucking big deal. Don't tell me you are comparing those two and people better dont start writing articles comparing those two... Lin is a baller and he is succesful right now. Asian kids can look up to him as any kid can look up to pro athletes. He was an underdog and thru hard work he got to where he is right now. That's as good a cinderella story as it gets and people like that. But he is not changing the asian culture and he is not changing the american system by playing well. And if he does then the self-respect of asians over there must be really fragile... Instead of wasting time on TL, you should work on reading comprehension. | ||
Dizmaul
United States831 Posts
On February 12 2012 22:57 don_kyuhote wrote: I don't know if it is just me but this linsanity of NBA reminds me of tebow-mania of NFL. I don't watch basketball, but apparantly Lin is better at Basketball than Tebow is at football? They are totally opposite when it comes to there skills in there respective sport. Lin is a true point guard, while Tebow is a very unorthodox QB. This leads to a lot more doubts about his ability to perform at a NFL level. | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Similarities? They both win games, and they're both very religious lol. | ||
AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On February 13 2012 00:32 StorkHwaiting wrote: Instead of wasting time on TL, you should work on reading comprehension. Sick comeback bro. + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 00:24 Zlasher wrote: They're not portraying him as a guy who's saving a race or a culture at all, its just showing that there is a truly inspirational story. This is a guy who broke records at his local high school which is, quite literally, 20 feet across the street from Stanford. His dream schools were Pac10 teams like UCLA, which the coach later admitted that Lin was good enough to start for UCLA, but he was only offered walk on positions. Now you tell me a guy who is all around the strongest player in the area, winning player of the year awards for his local conference and upsetting sports powerhouse Mater Dei from socal to win the state championship his senior year, gets zero scholarship offers from Pac10 teams? Race has to be one of those reasons. Then you look at the fact that he was tearing it up at Harvard, when Harvard faced Santa Clara University (which is like 20 minutes away from his hometown Palo Alto) the whole crowd was cheering for Lin and Harvard and not SCU. Read this: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-in-context-and-the-decision-that-no-warriors-official-wants-to-admit-making/ Nobody at the GSW's are holding accountability for being the ones to decide to release Lin after the rookie year. The new head coach even says that he never really looked at Lin and didn't look at the guard position closely (Why?). Nobody wants to admit that they were the ones who didnt' see the potential in this guy, in the largest Asian-American and Taiwanese-American market in the US. You want to believe that nobody in even the GSW's front office got rid of him at least PARTIALLY because he's Asian and they didn't see him as athletic enough, as strong enough, as fast as any other guard in the NBA then you're out of your mind. He isn't saving Asian Americans from oppression but keep in mind that Asian-Americans have no place in pop culture or traditional media except as laughing stocks and punchlines. You see that there are almost no Asian Americans signed to major record labels or deals, or in positions in hollywood or television. People ask why a lot of the most subscribed channels on Youtube are Asians well thats because that is the medium for Asians to get any sort of spotlight. I once saw some video I think by Timothydelaghetto answering why all these asians are on youtube, singers, rappers, whatever and why they always hang out together and go to these performances and shows together and he answered with that. That this is the Asian-American medium and embrace it because traditional media doesn't allow for Asians to be a part of it. Something as simple as a kid who's been looked over his whole life, averaging 25 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg, 2 spg in these past 5 games now. Believe it or not, but that IS a step in the direction of heralding a change in culture. If you think that there is no segregation or equal rights of Asian Americans in traditional media then you're an idiot. Well, maybe im not assessing the AAM situation correctly. We don't have a lot high profile asians in the media here either but asians are mostly respected in all fields of society and certainly not a laughing stock, which you cant say for all the other ethnicities over here. Anyways, asians are on the rise in pretty much every public area right now. I see a lot more asians in movies and tv-shows than I did ten years ago. K-pop and korean cinema are on the rise, asian dancers are making their way into pop culture and we have an asian party leader in politics over here. Lin for me represents an individual overcoming the odds and working his way up while facing many obstacles. He's a basketball player living his dream.He doesn't represent the whole movement of an ethnicity and i find it a lot to put on his shoulders in any case. | ||
Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 13 2012 08:36 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Sick comeback bro. + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 00:24 Zlasher wrote: They're not portraying him as a guy who's saving a race or a culture at all, its just showing that there is a truly inspirational story. This is a guy who broke records at his local high school which is, quite literally, 20 feet across the street from Stanford. His dream schools were Pac10 teams like UCLA, which the coach later admitted that Lin was good enough to start for UCLA, but he was only offered walk on positions. Now you tell me a guy who is all around the strongest player in the area, winning player of the year awards for his local conference and upsetting sports powerhouse Mater Dei from socal to win the state championship his senior year, gets zero scholarship offers from Pac10 teams? Race has to be one of those reasons. Then you look at the fact that he was tearing it up at Harvard, when Harvard faced Santa Clara University (which is like 20 minutes away from his hometown Palo Alto) the whole crowd was cheering for Lin and Harvard and not SCU. Read this: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-in-context-and-the-decision-that-no-warriors-official-wants-to-admit-making/ Nobody at the GSW's are holding accountability for being the ones to decide to release Lin after the rookie year. The new head coach even says that he never really looked at Lin and didn't look at the guard position closely (Why?). Nobody wants to admit that they were the ones who didnt' see the potential in this guy, in the largest Asian-American and Taiwanese-American market in the US. You want to believe that nobody in even the GSW's front office got rid of him at least PARTIALLY because he's Asian and they didn't see him as athletic enough, as strong enough, as fast as any other guard in the NBA then you're out of your mind. He isn't saving Asian Americans from oppression but keep in mind that Asian-Americans have no place in pop culture or traditional media except as laughing stocks and punchlines. You see that there are almost no Asian Americans signed to major record labels or deals, or in positions in hollywood or television. People ask why a lot of the most subscribed channels on Youtube are Asians well thats because that is the medium for Asians to get any sort of spotlight. I once saw some video I think by Timothydelaghetto answering why all these asians are on youtube, singers, rappers, whatever and why they always hang out together and go to these performances and shows together and he answered with that. That this is the Asian-American medium and embrace it because traditional media doesn't allow for Asians to be a part of it. Something as simple as a kid who's been looked over his whole life, averaging 25 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg, 2 spg in these past 5 games now. Believe it or not, but that IS a step in the direction of heralding a change in culture. If you think that there is no segregation or equal rights of Asian Americans in traditional media then you're an idiot. Well, maybe im not assessing the AAM situation correctly. We don't have a lot high profile asians in the media here either but asians are mostly respected in all fields of society and certainly not a laughing stock, which you cant say for all the other ethnicities over here. Anyways, asians are on the rise in pretty much every public area right now. I see a lot more asians in movies and tv-shows than I did ten years ago. K-pop and korean cinema are on the rise, asian dancers are making their way into pop culture and we have an asian party leader in politics over here. Lin for me represents an individual overcoming the odds and working his way up while facing many obstacles. He's a basketball player living his dream.He doesn't represent the whole movement of an ethnicity and i find it a lot to put on his shoulders in any case. You're not, and that's why you seem like you're missing the point. He isn't saving AAMs from oppression, but he is breaking stereotypes all on his own. No need to downplay what he is actually doing, seeing is it's not negatively impacting anyone, and instead is just giving some limelight to an entire population in America that's largely undervalued. | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
I outlined the phenomena that a single individual can change how society views entire issues then gave Jackie Robinson as a prime example of that phenomena. At no point did I ever say Jeremy Lin is the Asian Jackie Robinson. Antigrav made an erroneous leap of logic then began to defend it ferociously, therefore I saw no point in bothering to rebut any of his points. | ||
rei
United States3593 Posts
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