On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you.
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Freedom of speech works both ways. He's not trying to convert you, he's just giving his personal thoughts on an issue when asked. Stop being a douchebag, he's not "preaching to the public".
I really hate it when people think it's right to censor other people's thoughts.
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you.
you clearly haven't seen his twitter....
Yeah, because an athlete's PERSONAL TWITTER is the same as going door-to-door with a Bible in hand...
Come the fuck on, if you're on HIS twitter and you think he's "shoving it on you" you've got a stick in your ass.
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you.
you clearly haven't seen his twitter....
i dont think its that bad. nothing close to tebow, the jesus picture on his twitter is good humored
On February 16 2012 02:38 billy5000 wrote: they're both considered underdogs in their respective professional setting. it's that simple. if you start digressing, any comparison will be futile..
there is no parallel besides them both being ultra religious, and it's the network talking heads spouting this shit and a few dummies gobbling it up.
Tebow was a first round draft pick, even if it was a highly questionable selection, and was a two time champion at a top ranked SEC school. Lin was undrafted, and played his ball at a school that doesn't even give sports scholarships.
Tebow was the most sought after QB coming out of high school. Lin couldn't even get a chat with a number of coaches, and in the best situations, was getting a chance to walk on at various teams.
Tebow was statistically garbage all season at his intended position, and only received the recognition he did because his D was fantastic for a majority of the season, which put him in position to lead a couple game winning drives with clutch plays. Lin has played good if not great in every game, for a vast majority of the time he has been on the court. Win records are a really nebulous stat in sports, but both are winners using that. The difference tebow was winning due to circumstances (D playing great, lots of turnovers, whatever) whereas the Knicks are on a six game streak because he has kicked ass for 35 min a night.
In almost all his games Tebow played terribly up until the closing minutes of the fourth quarter. Lin, even with the ridiculously small sample size he has been given (aside: six games really is shit and it is totally fair to ask if he can keep it up), has pretty much played well all game long in most situations. And that is without the help of the big two for the most part.
Lin is a legit underdog in every sense of the word. Tebow is an overrated player who is doing his best to shed that label and prove that he can play. You can't possibly do what he's done and been an underdog.
Jeremy Lin plays in New York - the media capital of the world. He gets asked about his religion I'd bet over 100 times a day because they are trying to sell his image. What do you want the guy to do? He's super excited to be getting some recognition for breaking through. Let him do his thing.
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Freedom of speech works both ways. He's not trying to convert you, he's just giving his personal thoughts on an issue when asked. Stop being a douchebag, he's not "preaching to the public".
I really hate it when people think it's right to censor other people's thoughts.
He's playing sports, not preaching. If he is asked about his beliefs it's cool, I don't have anything against religion or people that believe. I just think it's excessive when he randomly talks about it and if every athlete starts thanking his respective deity for every successful step he makes it will turn into a clusterfuck. I'm not being a douchebag to Lin, I'm actually on a bandwagon since game 2 and I like everything about this kid. Almost everything.
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you.
you clearly haven't seen his twitter....
Yeah, because an athlete's PERSONAL TWITTER is the same as going door-to-door with a Bible in hand...
Come the fuck on, if you're on HIS twitter and you think he's "shoving it on you" you've got a stick in your ass.
personal twitter? you think a twitter is a diary or just personal conversations? I don't think you understand what twitter is exactly.
He's not as zealous or as open as tebow, but he's definitely not typical when it comes to his religion.
On February 16 2012 06:06 Ace wrote: Jeremy Lin plays in New York - the media capital of the world. He gets asked about his religion I'd bet over 100 times a day because they are trying to sell his image. What do you want the guy to do? He's super excited to be getting some recognition for breaking through. Let him do his thing.
I agree and I'm just expressing opinion here, I was fine with it until he thanked "lord savior jesus christ" on the court, which ticked me off. I don't know why, maybe I am a douchebag.
A much better football comparison would be Victor Cruz than Tebow. Undrafted free agent who was close to being cut until he got his shot and became a star WR. The only comparison to Tebow is the social impact, everyone is talking about Lin the same way everyone was talking about Tebow (even if it was in an ironic context for a lot of people)
Let me put it this way - I wouldn't want Kobe or Lebron or Durant taking that shot either. The whole "clutch"/"fearless" mythos in the NBA has been taken to epic proportions by Kobe and ESPN, and that 3 - no matter how much he was "feeling" it - was simply not his best option. There's pages devoted to "clutch" in the other threads.
It is no coincidence that we fail to remember Lebron’s game winning/game tying shots. His shots do not offer that same level artistry or finesse, and lack that “wow” factor that comes natural to Kobe Bryant. In fact, 4 out 5 of Lebron’s game winning/game tying shots were unmemorable layups or relatively easy baskets within close range, and many of them exemplified Lebron as a bull in a china shop who relies upon brut force, power and physical strength to get easy baskets. Even though his playoff game winning/game tying shot attempts have been more successful than Kobe’s, Lebron gets penalized for his style. In fact, it can be argued that Kobe’s misses are far more enjoyable to watch than Lebron’s makes, and that is why Kobe Bryant is largely the beneficiary of perception versus reality.
Jose Calderon on or off makes little difference because he's a poor, slow defender and I think Lin could find his shot either way. If you want a real heads up play (which honestly I only expect the most studious/experienced players like Kobe to know), the Raptors are a foul prone team and you have a very good chance that one of those bigs will foul you. How good? The Raptors have committed 718 fouls this season, the most of any team. The Knicks are second, with 636 fouls. That is huge. And everyone who knows Amir knows he loves to go for stupid blocks.
It's not a major knock that he took it because he's young and was in the moment, but do not pretend that it was the optimal decision. 7 times out of 10 when a player "feels it" like that, they're going to miss the shot. That's why Lebron and Wade and others are so good about driving at the end. Lin has moxy and an awesome attitude and will learn it, so it's not about him. It's about the bandwagon NBA fans who think it was a brilliant play. It was a brilliant outcome.
There's a few small similarities between Lin and Tebow's story, but it's not like Lin is proselytizing out there. I think everything he's said to the media so far has been laudable. Got no problems with his faith. It's a disservice to compare him to Tebow though. Tebow Time was hilarious, but most of their success was carried by Von Miller and the guys on the other side of the ball. Lin doesn't have that convenience, he's the one making it work.
On February 16 2012 06:20 floor exercise wrote: A much better football comparison would be Victor Cruz than Tebow. Undrafted free agent who was close to being cut until he got his shot and became a star WR. The only comparison to Tebow is the social impact, everyone is talking about Lin the same way everyone was talking about Tebow (even if it was in an ironic context for a lot of people)
how do bigs even play good defense without fouling when the little guys initiate contacts and runs into them with a running start and flops as soon as contacts are make. I see many times the big guy didn't even jump, all he did was stood there have both hands in the air and got call for a foul. WTF were they suppose to do? get out of the way and let them lay it up? pull the chair under them so the expected contact wasn't there and the little guy loses balance and travels?
Sometimes they just get screwed with officiating, but if their feet are outside the circle and they're standing still with arms up, that's the best they can do. They make it a difficult shot and hopefully a teammate gets a block or the player misses. Unfortunately for big men, most don't do that and foolishly leave their feet to block it themselves or the refs just bail the offensive player out. The athletic ones can get their body out of the way and go for the block, but that's only the good ones.
On February 16 2012 06:22 Jibba wrote: Let me put it this way - I wouldn't want Kobe or Lebron or Durant taking that shot either. The whole "clutch"/"fearless" mythos in the NBA has been taken to epic proportions by Kobe and ESPN, and that 3 - no matter how much he was "feeling" it - was simply not his best option. There's pages devoted to "clutch" in the other threads.
I don't see how this was a bad shot at all. Calderon sagged off a lot to prevent the drive. Also he tried to Force Lin to his left which is considerably weaker. If goes for the drive o drive and does get denied he has to take a fadeaway jumper or some shot off the dribble which is considerably harder than a wide open 3. Or he risks a turnover be cause he got caught a couple of times in that game already and the Raptors help defense was pretty good in that game. The knicks got blocked a lot around the rim.
So his options are:
Drive to the left with possibility of not getting to the rim at all, getting denied at the rim by help defense, getting trapped by a double team, or passing it out with a risk for a turnover to some mediocre shooters. (Fields, Shumpert, Chandler and Amare are not known for clutch 3s). A lot of ifs
Or
He takes an open 3
You are criticizin Lins accomplishments in every single post you make but this one is just not valid.
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations.
Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you.
On February 16 2012 09:13 Canucklehead wrote: I like Darren Rovell's take on the Lin haters.
I don't even think Lin is thinking about money. Right now, he is focused on how to get Knicks to win more. If I was him and cared about money, I wouldn't complain about the 9k, because I know next season, it's gonna be something like 20 million a year.